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Post by sugar12 on Aug 11, 2012 16:33:11 GMT
why not donie buckley as the main man...clearly the best and most respected trainer in the county?
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Post by tipp86 on Aug 11, 2012 16:39:28 GMT
My personal choice would be John Evans. There seems to be some ill feeling towards him in Tipp, and I'm not sure why. They've been one of the kingpins at underage level in recent years, which is unthinkable for a county with such little football tradition. . As i have said i dont think Evans has much to do with Tipp underage success.
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Post by seamo on Aug 11, 2012 16:53:38 GMT
People should think a little harder before they throw out names. For instance Pat O Shea. Did a decent job when in charge before, BUT, many here on this forum and me included complained about Kerry players not kicking the ball enough, slow attacks and an abundance of hand passes. We primarily blamed Jack for this (and rightly so!). <<<If you didn't complain about these and don't see a problem with it, then by all means throw Pat's name out there. However if you did complain about these things, then please shut up about Pat O Shea because each manager has he/her own style, doesn't help for fans to flip flop so much. Who would you go for Seamo? I can take it that like me you wouldn't agree with Pat coming back So who would you like to see in? Well ideally I would like to see Eamon Fitz get the job, but I don't like this talk of him wanting to wait a few years. Hope that is just paper talk and Eamon isn't that arrogant!!! Yes arrogant, because it should be seen as a privilege to manage your county, not something that you can pass over because the chance will be there for you again whenever you want it. Others: John Evans, unfair to merely judge him on WHY he left Tipp because none of us really know for certain why he left, but he was a success there and he has the pedigree at club level in Kerry. Mickey Ned, if minors win this year you can book it that Mickey Ned will be senior manager next year and Kenmare will have a new bronze statue!!! Pat O Driscoll, serious long shot considering he didn't have best of times with minors maybe a role as selector this time round. William Kirby, probably too inexperienced at this stage though. John Kenndy Liam Kerins Bomer Liston John Fintan Daly, haha just threw it in to put a smile on "Delorean"'s face!!!! But he too has enough pedigree.
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Post by Sons of Pitches on Aug 11, 2012 16:55:59 GMT
Dare I say any contenders outside Kerry?
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Post by dart on Aug 11, 2012 17:06:06 GMT
Dare I say any contenders outside Kerry? No thanks.
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Post by actionman on Aug 11, 2012 17:13:12 GMT
I would love to see Seamus Moynihan along with Donie Buckley & Eamon Fitzmaurice. I know Seamus doesn't have managerial experience but he is a great motivator and would have the respect of all the players, Donie excellent coach his departure was a huge loss to Kerry.
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Post by jackmurphy on Aug 11, 2012 17:23:44 GMT
Best Wishes to Jack O Connor.
Along with Mickey Harte - the most successful manager of the modern era.
A big challenge facing the new man - the biggest potential problem is whether the supporters will have the required patience.
It's 3 years now since an AI success and if that extends for another couple of years - supporters will start getting edgy.
Will the new man go with Jack's squad and introduce players gradually or will he do a clear out.
Jimmy Barry-Murphy has retained all the experienced players in Cork (even bringing Sean Og O hAlpin back) and that seems to have worked out well so far.
I fell that it's not only the lack of patience by supporters but the new man must win Sam within 2 years max - by 2015 all the big names including Gooch & Declan will probably be gone - a lot of big boots to be filled.
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Post by greengold35 on Aug 11, 2012 18:11:24 GMT
This is the correct decision for Jack and for Kerry.
Jack has been good for Kerry but the last 3 years have not been his best for whatever reason; really blew an All Ireland in 2010 ( loss of Galvin & Tomas) did not help but we got worse in 2011. The substitution of Bohan and not Enright cost us dearly as did our negativity towards the end- it might have cost us in '09 but Cork did not capitalise- the removal of Tadgh, Darragh & Tommy Walsh in the final 20 mins could have been catasrophic. Jack had over the last 18 months applied a system of play that was anathema to our values- sterile, negative, playing a game that was not conducive to our strengths; the departure of Donie Buckley for whatever reasons only compounded our problems. The new appointment will be crucial- we still have the players, the will and the talent- lets be brave, bring back Donie and draw on some of our former players experience - we are not far off but a bit of bottle would go a long way.
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Post by glengael on Aug 11, 2012 18:27:06 GMT
Not exactly surprised to see him gone. Did Jack ever play for the Kerry team at all? No Ard Mhaca he didn't. Played on South Kerry Divisional sides with the likes of Jacko and was a club player but never inter-county. From memory, he made his name initially in managment with the school teams in Cahirciveen as they merged into what eventually became Colaiste na Sceilige. He joined the senior set up as one of Paidi's selectors in the mid 90's & it took off from there. I think back to August 2003 and a good friend of mine almost in tears as we left Croke Park. " My heart is broken after today" she said " and I hate to think how long before we'll be back here". 13 months later, we were All Ireland Champions and beginning another era of dominance. Thanks Jack for all that you gave us.
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Post by misteallaigh abú on Aug 11, 2012 19:19:29 GMT
The end of the road was always nigh after the Donegal defeat. It is a pity to see Jack go, history will be kind to him, of that much I'm sure. He was and still is a great manager. His achievements speak for themselves. He really put us back on track and had the major influence in producing the most consistently brilliant team of the past decade. The annihilation of Mayo in 2004, after the despondency of 2003 will live long in the memory, likewise Armagh in '06 and Galway in the rain in '08. It's been some journey, one that he can be immensely proud of and one that we wil ever be thankful for. Go n-éirí go geal leat a bhuachaill!
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Post by Ard Mhacha on Aug 11, 2012 20:25:00 GMT
I noticed quite a few people mentioning the Armagh match in 06 as a highlight of recent years. Can I ask why? That victory seemed to mean alot in Kerry. Did you really hate us that much? ;D
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Post by southward on Aug 11, 2012 20:32:41 GMT
Who was suggesting that? I wrote my best memory from this year’s Championship would be beating Tyrone in 2012. This would not be my favourite memory over all from Jack's time as manager, there was quite a few of those. No you didn't, but unless I'm reading wrong nicoshea & Soutward think that the Tyrone win is the highlight? If they mean the same as you then I apologise but it did raise my eyebrows when I read that. Never said any such thing kot. I said it was some compensation for not winning the AI in 2012.
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Post by southward on Aug 11, 2012 20:38:55 GMT
I noticed quite a few people mentioning the Armagh match in 06 as a highlight of recent years. Can I ask why? That victory seemed to mean alot in Kerry. Did you really hate us that much? ;D No, it was just a great win over a fine team and respected rival. And of course it punctured another hole in the Kerry-can't-beat-the-nordies myth.
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Post by seamo on Aug 11, 2012 20:40:08 GMT
I noticed quite a few people mentioning the Armagh match in 06 as a highlight of recent years. Can I ask why? That victory seemed to mean alot in Kerry. Did you really hate us that much? ;D lol nah. It was the performance, and it was at a "sticky" period whereby we had just gone through the qualifiers. I think Armagh were favourites that day? The time we hammered the Dubs in the QF, the "earwigs" game!!! That was great ;D
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Post by whitefire on Aug 11, 2012 20:51:54 GMT
Very few outstanding candidates come to mind to replace Jack. It's very similar to when Pat O'Shea left, will we have to go back to O'Shea or Páidí?
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Post by Ard Mhacha on Aug 11, 2012 21:10:23 GMT
I noticed quite a few people mentioning the Armagh match in 06 as a highlight of recent years. Can I ask why? That victory seemed to mean alot in Kerry. Did you really hate us that much? ;D No, it was just a great win over a fine team and respected rival. And of course it punctured another hole in the Kerry-can't-beat-the-nordies myth. Ah yes, the myth. Twas only six more years to wait before another hole was punctured in it
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Post by martym on Aug 11, 2012 21:16:50 GMT
I noticed quite a few people mentioning the Armagh match in 06 as a highlight of recent years. Can I ask why? That victory seemed to mean alot in Kerry. Did you really hate us that much? ;D I think it did at the time and was a testiment of how well Armagh were regarded since the encounters in 2000. It is no surprise to me that 2 of that great Armagh team were managing teams last weekend. Most Kerry people respect their opponents especially thoes who beat us. I am sad Jack is leaving but really respect him for doing so for him,his family and his successor. I always felt Micko should have gone in 88.
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Post by misteallaigh abú on Aug 11, 2012 21:22:51 GMT
No, it was just a great win over a fine team and respected rival. And of course it punctured another hole in the Kerry-can't-beat-the-nordies myth. Ah yes, the myth. Twas only six more years to wait before another hole was punctured in it Is Monaghan no longer in Ulster?
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Post by seamo on Aug 11, 2012 21:33:09 GMT
Thanks Jack for the 3 all irelands, you served your county. Mostly positive memories but will also be remembered for certain pecular decisions that cost you games at times. For the next manager i think some of the names being mentioned above are ridiculous, John Kennedy, Micky Ned, Pat OShea and a few more are no where near what we need, they would not have the respect of the panel or tactical knowledge to take Kerry from where we are to where we need to be. We need someone or or a group of people that will get respect of current panel of players, be tactically aware, have good knowledge of football in and outside kerry. The biggest thing the next manger has to have is to be a good tactician, reason being kerry have come up short in last number of years when other managers have tactically beaten us, we have the footballers, raw talent and football knowledge but if we can add someone to the equation that has good tactical awareness i think we can get outa situations like last sunday etc. Im not saying jack was tactically unaware but we always seemed to struggle like last sunday against the donegals, tyrones when jack was in charge, he was slow to react during battle and when he did it was out of range like declan last sunday. I like what someone said a few posts back, donie buckley with Seamus Moynihan, Fitz and maybe Dara o Se...inexperineced but would have good knowledge of modern game and going by Daras wednesday column he would have good input into management tem Your reasons for dismissing Kennedy, Micky Ned and Pat O Shea are ridiculous especially when you then advocate Dara and Seamus! You say the 3 you dismiss don't have the tactical knowledge yet Dara and Seamus do Those 3 have managerial experience at the highest level so of course they have tactical knowledge. I think it's fair to say that Micky Ned got the better of many intercounty managers (Conor COunihan included) when he was Limerick manager. Dara and Seamus were GREAT players, but great players don't always make great managers.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Aug 11, 2012 21:39:25 GMT
Thanks Jack for the 3 all irelands, you served your county. Mostly positive memories but will also be remembered for certain pecular decisions that cost you games at times. For the next manager i think some of the names being mentioned above are ridiculous, John Kennedy, Micky Ned, Pat OShea and a few more are no where near what we need, they would not have the respect of the panel or tactical knowledge to take Kerry from where we are to where we need to be. We need someone or or a group of people that will get respect of current panel of players, be tactically aware, have good knowledge of football in and outside kerry. The biggest thing the next manger has to have is to be a good tactician, reason being kerry have come up short in last number of years when other managers have tactically beaten us, we have the footballers, raw talent and football knowledge but if we can add someone to the equation that has good tactical awareness i think we can get outa situations like last sunday etc. Im not saying jack was tactically unaware but we always seemed to struggle like last sunday against the donegals, tyrones when jack was in charge, he was slow to react during battle and when he did it was out of range like declan last sunday. I like what someone said a few posts back, donie buckley with Seamus Moynihan, Fitz and maybe Dara o Se...inexperineced but would have good knowledge of modern game and going by Daras wednesday column he would have good input into management tem Your reasons for dismissing Kennedy, Micky Ned and Pat O Shea are ridiculous especially when you then advocate Dara and Seamus! You say the 3 you dismiss don't have the tactical knowledge yet Dara and Seamus do Those 3 have managerial experience at the highest level so of course they have tactical knowledge. I think it's fair to say that Micky Ned got the better of many intercounty managers (Conor COunihan included) when he was Limerick manager. Dara and Seamus were GREAT players, but great players don't always make great managers. I dont want to start slagging people off here so I will leave it at this- Mickey Ned and John Kennedy are nowhere near good enough to manage Kerry
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Post by martym on Aug 11, 2012 21:53:42 GMT
Thanks Jack for the 3 all irelands, you served your county. Mostly positive memories but will also be remembered for certain pecular decisions that cost you games at times. For the next manager i think some of the names being mentioned above are ridiculous, John Kennedy, Micky Ned, Pat OShea and a few more are no where near what we need, they would not have the respect of the panel or tactical knowledge to take Kerry from where we are to where we need to be. We need someone or or a group of people that will get respect of current panel of players, be tactically aware, have good knowledge of football in and outside kerry. The biggest thing the next manger has to have is to be a good tactician, reason being kerry have come up short in last number of years when other managers have tactically beaten us, we have the footballers, raw talent and football knowledge but if we can add someone to the equation that has good tactical awareness i think we can get outa situations like last sunday etc. Im not saying jack was tactically unaware but we always seemed to struggle like last sunday against the donegals, tyrones when jack was in charge, he was slow to react during battle and when he did it was out of range like declan last sunday. I like what someone said a few posts back, donie buckley with Seamus Moynihan, Fitz and maybe Dara o Se...inexperineced but would have good knowledge of modern game and going by Daras wednesday column he would have good input into management tem Your reasons for dismissing Kennedy, Micky Ned and Pat O Shea are ridiculous especially when you then advocate Dara and Seamus! You say the 3 you dismiss don't have the tactical knowledge yet Dara and Seamus do Those 3 have managerial experience at the highest level so of course they have tactical knowledge. I think it's fair to say that Micky Ned got the better of many intercounty managers (Conor COunihan included) when he was Limerick manager. Dara and Seamus were GREAT players, but great players don't always make great managers. I was thinking about that If kerry get a high profile manager it may mean one last lift from some of the older players and inspire some of the younger lads therby providing continunity. How ever if a lower profile manager was selected it may mean less pressure ? The only name I am hearing (as a common thread) is Donie Buckley)
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Post by Ard Mhacha on Aug 11, 2012 21:55:01 GMT
Ah yes, the myth. Twas only six more years to wait before another hole was punctured in it Is Monaghan no longer in Ulster? Ulster, yes. But I assume this "Nordie" term, is used to describe a team from The North?
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Post by hurlingman on Aug 11, 2012 22:22:02 GMT
Is Monaghan no longer in Ulster? Ulster, yes. But I assume this "Nordie" term, is used to describe a team from The North? Antrim? Derry? Fermanagh? Kerry beat all of them in the last 10 years
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Post by thepope on Aug 12, 2012 0:40:35 GMT
a massive note of thanks to jack and his selectors, over the years, for all they've done for kerry football. we had some great wins and suffered some losses, but the losses make the victories even sweeter. he has done some fine work in the last couple of years in searching for talent to replace some of the more seasoned campaigners, so hopefully we'll get to see those players emerge over the next year or so. no book this time though jack, please
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Post by da Legionnaire on Aug 12, 2012 1:03:09 GMT
Though it pains me to say it but how come no one has mentioned Harry O'Neill as a potential Kerry manager. Five years in charge of Crokes, four county finals winning three. As well as ten years in the backroom with Kerry. His record at club level is better than Kennedy, Kerins and Eamon Fitz and dare I say it even Pat O'Shea.
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Post by actionman on Aug 12, 2012 1:25:38 GMT
My God Harry you must be desperate sending in a post letting on to be a legion man!!!!
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Post by kingcarlos on Aug 12, 2012 12:08:09 GMT
Harry O'Neill has a great chance of being the next manager and i can't believe that at least 20 of you who posted shortlists didn't include his name and instead went with ridiculous suggestions like Charlie Nelligan, Pat Driscoll, W.Kirby, and many more. Fitzmaurice doesn't convince me either. Any man to pick an Under 21 team without the likes of Cathal Moriarty, Eanna O'Connor & Marcus Mangan, just to name 3, cannot be surprised that we failed to win our provincial championship.. Major question marks remain over Fitzmaurice.
Harry has been the most successful manager in recent years in Kerry and of course the Chairman of the Co Board Pat the Bag is a crokes man as well so its Harry's if he wants it. Personally I think he deserves it and would like to see him get it far more than guys like. Liam Kearns - what has this guy ever won? Nothing.. John Evans - he was ran from Tipperary and would probably prefer to stay n Meath for the cash. John Kennedy - no thanks.
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Post by mandad on Aug 12, 2012 12:09:49 GMT
As a public man we all felt entitled to treat our team Bainisteoir with impunity about everything under the sun. There is no doubt but we Kerry folk are more passionate than most about our football. That passion is often translated into words of wonderful poignancy by people like Vetaren and others on this 'Scratching Post'. Unfortunately, from time to time most of us have come to conclusions based on limited facts and assumtions that fit our passions, and none more so than last Sunday. Suffice it to say that Jack acted as an honourable man would - with much class and dignity and protective of his players. The qualities that make great managers are found collectively in very few individuals. Of course some mistakes have been made, but in a profession of very high failure rate , Jack O'Connor can look back on his tenure with some pride.
P.S. Some posters on here want to either retire or sack half the Kerry team! Cool your jets – until this long Winter is past, at least.
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Post by seamo on Aug 12, 2012 12:19:22 GMT
Harry O'Neill has a great chance of being the next manager and i can't believe that at least 20 of you who posted shortlists didn't include his name and instead went with ridiculous suggestions like Charlie Nelligan, Pat Driscoll, W.Kirby, and many more. Fitzmaurice doesn't convince me either. Any man to pick an Under 21 team without the likes of Cathal Moriarty, Eanna O'Connor & Marcus Mangan, just to name 3, cannot be surprised that we failed to win our provincial championship.. Major question marks remain over Fitzmaurice. Harry has been the most successful manager in recent years in Kerry and of course the Chairman of the Co Board Pat the Bag is a crokes man as well so its Harry's if he wants it. Personally I think he deserves it and would like to see him get it far more than guys like. Liam Kearns - what has this guy ever won? Nothing.. John Evans - he was ran from Tipperary and would probably prefer to stay n Meath for the cash. John Kennedy - no thanks. It'll be a very dark day for Kerry football when our senior manager is picked on the basis that the co. chairman is a club make of his And your reasons for dismissing other candidates are very (to avoid conflict I won't say too much )....but Paidi O Se and Mick O Dwyer hadn't won much before getting the Kerry gig!
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Post by kerry07 on Aug 12, 2012 13:47:20 GMT
Jack thanks for the days. You were excellent throughout the years and we were very lucky to have your time commitment ability and effort. Without you and your backroom team I would hate to think what kind of a past decade we would have had. I must mention the Armagh Game in 06 the Startled Earwigs, the final in 09 and the Tyrone Game this year. In all those games and during those years we were totally written off. 31 and 1/2 Counties against us and all that. Great days. You truly owe Kerry nothing. The manner of your exit shows where your real interests lie.... great players and a great County ......
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