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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2008 9:49:34 GMT
Statement from the DRA
The DRA hearing arising out of Pual Galvin's Request for Arbitration took place last night but was not completed. The Tribunal will reconvene on Monday next, 21st July 2008
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Post by Control on Jul 22, 2008 12:50:03 GMT
www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/championship/2008/0722/galvinp.htmlThe decision into Kerry captain Paul Galvin's appeal to the DisputesResolution Authority may not be known until Wednesday. Galvin and the Kerry County Board had expected a verdict by lunchtime on Tuesday after the Finuge man's challenge to his six-month suspension was wrapped up on Monday night. However, a spokesperson for DRA secretary Liam Keane told RTÉ News that the three-man tribunal have yet to deliver their judgement and may not do so until Wednesday.
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Post by animal on Jul 23, 2008 8:40:11 GMT
From the Irish Times
IAN O'RIORDAN reports
THE DISPUTES Resolution Authority (DRA) will today put an end to the long-running Paul Galvin saga by announcing their verdict on his appeal against a 24-week ban, imposed some six weeks ago by the GAA's Central Competitions Control Committee.
Galvin had two separate hearings with the DRA over the past week in an effort to get his ban either lifted or reduced so that he might still play some part in the football championship. As things stand, the Kerry captain will miss the entire championship no matter how far Kerry progress, though a possible reduction to a 12-week ban would allow him play in the final if Kerry got that far.
"Where there is light there is hope," said the Kerry county board chairman, Jerome Conway, yesterday, following Galvin's second hearing with the DRA on Monday evening.
The three-person subcommittee of the DRA then convened again last night to decide on their verdict, which will be delivered some time today.
Galvin's appeal began last Tuesday with the initial hearing, which went on for several hours before being adjourned at 2.30 the following morning.
The hearing was then continued on Monday evening, again lasting several hours, and with Galvin once again present along with the Kerry county board secretary Eamonn O'Sullivan and respondents on behalf of the GAA.
The exact grounds of Galvin's appeal are still unclear, although Conway suggested there were some technicalities involved.
"It's nearly all technicalities when you're dealing with a legal team like the DRA," he said.
Galvin's ban goes back to Kerry's Munster semi-final against Clare on June 15th, and the infamous incident where match referee Paddy Russell had his notebook smacked from his hands by the Kerry captain as Galvin was being shown a second yellow card.
Galvin then proceeded to voice his disagreement before running to do likewise to the match linesman, despite the efforts of his team-mate Tomás Ó Sé to restrain him.
The ban was based on three categories of offence (I, II, and IV), under Rule 143 (b); Category I (being ordered off on foot of a second cautionable offence); Category II (abusive language towards a referee, umpire, linesman or sideline official, which carries a minimum four-week suspension); and Category IV (minor physical interference with - eg, laying a hand on, pushing, pulling or jostling - threatening or abusive conduct towards, or threatening language to a referee, umpire, linesman or sideline official).
Both the Central Hearings Committee (CHC) and the Central Appeals Committee (CAC) upheld Gavin's ban, but the lengthy hearing of the DRA suggests Galvin has at least given them something to consider.
There is the fresh expectation the DRA can in fact reduce the ban, rather than only uphold or clear it; this weekend's meeting of the GAA's Central Council explained that the announcement and rationalisation of decisions of the DRA were matters totally at the DRA's discretion. In all cases, the DRA decision is binding.
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Post by leixman on Jul 23, 2008 9:15:10 GMT
RTÉ Sport has learned that the long-running Paul Galvin saga will come to an end before lunchtime today.
The Kerry captain should find out this morning the result of his appeal against a six-month ban.
The Disputes Resolution Authority has delayed its decision to iron out a number of technicalities, but if all procedures have been followed, they will not interfere with the decision.
Galvin was hit with the suspension after he knocked referee Paddy Russell's notebook out of the official's hand in the Kingdom's Munster semi-final win over Clare.
The half-forward was infuriated after he was dismissed for two yellow card offences.
Were Galvin to have the suspension reduced to three months he would be available for the All-Ireland SFC final, should Kerry get that far.
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Post by animal on Jul 23, 2008 11:02:55 GMT
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Post by Johnnyb on Jul 23, 2008 13:56:46 GMT
fingers, toes and everything else crossed!
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Post by 3inarow on Jul 23, 2008 16:54:36 GMT
I think its a good thing that there taking this long to make up their minds but Christ at this stage would they hurry up
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Post by An Spailpín Fánach on Jul 23, 2008 17:34:00 GMT
Seems original decision quashed and the issue will have to be reheard. Some procedural irregularities in first hearing. Remains suspended.
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Post by kerrydoc on Jul 23, 2008 17:36:24 GMT
where did u hear that spailpin?
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Post by An Spailpín Fánach on Jul 23, 2008 17:39:44 GMT
It is on RTE now - it is official
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Post by maddarraghfan on Jul 23, 2008 17:40:22 GMT
DRA STATEMENT
The DRA Tribunal which sat on the 15 th and 21 st July 2008 had quashed the Decision of the Central Hearings Committee (CHC) made on the 23 rd June 2008 in respect of Mr. Paul Galvin
Whilst Mr. Galvin accepted that an incident happened on the 15 th June 2008 which warranted the commencement of disciplinary proceedings, the DRA Tribunal is of the view that procedural irregularities occurred at the CHC hearing on the 23 rd June 2008 which were in breach of his right to fair procedures and to a fair hearing.
The DRA Tribunal has directed as follows:
(a) that the matter be re-heard by a newly convened and differently constituted CHC as soon as possible; and
(b) that Mr. Galvin remains suspended in the interim period and is not eligible to play Gaelic games until the disciplinary process has been concluded.
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Post by misteallaigh abú on Jul 23, 2008 17:45:03 GMT
And it drags on and on and on...
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Post by buck02 on Jul 23, 2008 17:47:22 GMT
This is an absolute farce. The longer this fiasco rolls on, the worse the effect its going to have on the team.
So its going to be heard again, if the suspension is upheld, then he can appeal and appeal again to the DRA.
The GAA (and certain people in power who I wont name) would want to take a good long look at themselves.
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Post by buck02 on Jul 23, 2008 17:49:46 GMT
that procedural irregularities occurred at the CHC hearing on the 23 rd June 2008 which were in breach of his right to fair procedures and to a fair hearing. If it was in breach of his rights to fair procedures and a fair hearing then he should have got off. Simple as that. Also why did it take the DRA so long to make the decision.
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Post by An Spailpín Fánach on Jul 23, 2008 17:56:02 GMT
This would probably be true in civil law but not sure if it applies in this case. Might also depend on the nature of the irregularities
I assume there was not complete agreement and what has emerged might be a comprimise
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Post by nicoshea on Jul 23, 2008 17:57:10 GMT
that procedural irregularities occurred at the CHC hearing on the 23 rd June 2008 which were in breach of his right to fair procedures and to a fair hearing. If it was in breach of his rights to fair procedures and a fair hearing then he should have got off. Simple as that. Also why did it take the DRA so long to make the decision. its a farce really... Back again... Does anyone else think they are going to let it go and go until Kerry are gone from the Championship or am I just a bit cynical... If he didnt get a fair hearing then should he not have got off What a feck up... Cant even begin to imagine how frustrated Galvin is
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Post by kapstad on Jul 23, 2008 17:59:24 GMT
Somebody from the GAA and preferably Mr Brennan would want to come out publicly and explain to 'joe public' what exactly is going on and what timeframe is now in place to resolve this issue. Paul Galvin has been to hell and back over the last six weeks and we still have no definitive outcome.
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Post by diehard on Jul 23, 2008 18:01:07 GMT
This is absolute disgrace justice delayed is justice denied. They've really past the buck here it destroys in credability they had. If there was irregularities at the chc that should have been that. Where do we go from here does have to go all through all this again they never make 6 months stick now
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Post by diehard on Jul 23, 2008 18:02:26 GMT
Somebody from the GAA and preferably Mr Brennan would want to come out publicly and explain to 'joe public' what exactly is going on and what timeframe is now in place to resolve this issue. Paul Galvin has been to hell and back over the last six weeks and we still have no definitive outcome. Your right there when the hell will this be sorted out
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Post by buck02 on Jul 23, 2008 18:09:17 GMT
From last Sundays Indo:
"AN estimated €50,000 in legal costs was generated over the last week during three separate hearings at the DRA, a leading GAA source has revealed.
Collie Moran, Paul Finlay and Paul Galvin each went to the arbitration body as a last resort after failing to have suspensions lifted or reduced through the standard GAA appeals process."
What a waste of money when these boys cant even make a decision.
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Post by animal on Jul 23, 2008 18:13:14 GMT
Oh God what a farce............
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Post by nicoshea on Jul 23, 2008 18:16:38 GMT
From last Sundays Indo: "AN estimated €50,000 in legal costs was generated over the last week during three separate hearings at the DRA, a leading GAA source has revealed. Collie Moran, Paul Finlay and Paul Galvin each went to the arbitration body as a last resort after failing to have suspensions lifted or reduced through the standard GAA appeals process." What a waste of money when these boys cant even make a decision. €50000 are you serious.... Serious waste of money
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Post by diehard on Jul 23, 2008 18:21:46 GMT
Fellas are textin in to Newstalk like mad sayin galvin is settin a bad example by not just taking his medicine and serving his time
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Post by nicoshea on Jul 23, 2008 18:25:32 GMT
Fellas are textin in to Newstalk like mad sayin galvin is settin a bad example by not just taking his medicine and serving his time He cant win, If he didnt appeal others would have been giving out, Do they think the same of Moran who also got off... One rule for Kerry and another for all the others... What a load of B*&&*%
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Post by diehard on Jul 23, 2008 18:28:14 GMT
Weeshie is doin his nut altogether on newstalk completely rippin the DRA for kickin to touch
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Post by nicoshea on Jul 23, 2008 18:34:44 GMT
cant get newstalk here for some reason... Stupid Cork reception
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Post by mozzy on Jul 23, 2008 19:09:58 GMT
What a disgrace - this is a huge mess - it's an amateur sport and they have made it into one of the biggest debaucles ever - anyone with common sense would know that the game, the refs and above all the players especially Paul deserve equal and fair justice and decisions made within a reasonable time frame - The CCCC, CHC, Brennan and the DRA are a farce and should be ashamed of themselves - that 50k could be going to some of the poorer clubs - it's the wasteful tribunals all over again - and no justice or equal/fair decisions made.
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Post by chomper on Jul 23, 2008 19:27:11 GMT
What a disgrace - this is a huge mess - it's an amateur sport and they have made it into one of the biggest debaucles ever - anyone with common sense would know that the game, the refs and above all the players especially Paul deserve equal and fair justice and decisions made within a reasonable time frame - The CCCC, CHC, Brennan and the DRA are a farce and should be ashamed of themselves - that 50k could be going to some of the poorer clubs - it's the wasteful tribunals all over again - and no justice or equal/fair decisions made. This whole debacle is all of Mr.Galvins doing. Let's look at the facts: Exhibit A - Paul Galvin loses the plot and slaps the notebook out of a referees hand, verbally abuses a linesman and man handles one of his own players. Exhibit B - Mr. Galvin makes a cringe inducing public apology on Six' One news which only serves to heighten the media attention in the case. Exhibit C - The CCCC recommend a 24 week ban which Mr. Galvin refuses to accept, despite the facts: Minor physical assault of a referee - min. suspension 12 weeks Verbal abuse of a match official - min. suspension 8 weeks Strikin one of his own players - min. suspension 4 weeks. Which makes a total of 24 weeks, which means that the sentence imposed was fair and just. Exhibit D - Mr. Galvin takes his case to the CAC, who in turn find the sentence to be just. Exhibit E - Mr. Galvin takes his case to the CHC, who in turn find the sentence to be just. Exhibit F - Mr. Galvin is clutching at straws now and refuses to accept the judgement handed down by the Organisation he represents so he takes his case to the DRA to see if he can find a technicality so that he doesn't have to face the consequences of his actions. So don't blame the GAA. Don't blame the ref. Don't blame Nicky Brennan. Don't blame the CCCC, the CAC, the CHC or the DRA. The only person to blame for this sorry affair is Mr. Galvin himself, and the sooner he accepts this reality, the better for all concerned. So spare me the "Poor Paul" sentiments.
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Post by kaywhy on Jul 23, 2008 19:32:55 GMT
Firstly lads, the DRA is independent of the GAA - so lets not tie the two together when giving out about the entire process and thos who are making the decisions in these cases.
Galvin went up there looking to get off using technicalities and the DRA stuck to their laws and ruled accordingly under their own rules.
Secondly, Galvin himself delayed his initial DRA application and hearing so it would not be held the week of the Munster Final - so the time it took to get here is not all the fault of the discipliniary committees.
Next... lets not forget that Galvin admitted guilt in this case. Moran went there pleading his innocence and got off, Finlay went pleading his innocence and failed, while Galvin had admitted his wrong doing in public a day after the event, and went with only technicalities. Would it be right to clear him fully when he accepted he actually did wrong?
And again, regardless of the provocation, or how great a man Galvin is off the field, his reaction was wrong, it was against our rules.... and some punishement should be served.
So, in my opinion, this DRA decision was by no means ideal, but it was legally fair, and lets just let it be reheard, and lets hope another hearing will give us the 3 months most of us thinks is fair.
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Jul 23, 2008 19:35:30 GMT
must be a dub Just joking of course since I was wondering the same thing. Well all opinions are welcome and this wouldn't be a discussion forum if we were all kerrymen
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