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Post by greengold35 on Nov 13, 2024 17:03:10 GMT
The executive committee of Kerry GAA is proposing to restructure the County Senior Football Leagues into 10-team divisions, with the change – if agreed on by the clubs at next week’s county committee meeting – coming into effect for the 2026 season.
The realignment of the divisions to each contain 10 clubs – down from the current 12 teams in each of the top four divisions, and 16 teams in a split Division 5 and Division 6 – will mean that for the 2025 county league, four teams will be relegated from Divisions 1 to 5 inclusive, while just two teams will be promoted from Divisions 2 to 6 inclusive. That would mean a pause on the existing ‘three up, three down’ promotion/relegation format for one year.
Currently Divisions 1 to 4 have 12 teams each, while Divisions 5A, 5B, 6A and 6B each comprise eight teams, some of which are second teams from clubs playing in higher divisions.
It is understood that the motion proposes to create at least five 10-team divisions, with the Competition Control Committee (CCC) then deciding if subsequent divisions would also comprise 10 teams, and that would provide games for the rest of the clubs and ‘B’ teams.
The idea behind the motion is to reduce the number of games for each team down from 11 to nine, thereby reducing the load on clubs to fulfil a heavy schedule of fixtures. In 2024 the county league ran from the weekend of March 23 to the weekend of June 23, meaning 11 rounds of games were played over a 14-week timeframe.
A reduction to nine round of matches would, it is reasoned, ease the burden on clubs play 11 league games, with very little more for manoeuvre and also reduce the workload on the players themselves.
If passed a next week’s county committee meeting, the 2026 county leagues would revert to the current promotion and relegation process whereby three teams will be promoted and relegated from each division. Promotion does not apply to division 1 and relegation will not apply to lowest division." The Independent.
I honestly cannot believe I am reading this - the county league is a great competition, offers competitive fare and for many clubs its what keeps them together - 50% of clubs do not advance in the club championship after 3 games and we are looking to give players fewer games now in the interest of " player welfare"
It would be far better to commence the county leagues a few weeks earlier to reduce the " burden" rather than reducing games.
I would think if this proposal gets the go ahead, we will see further reductions in each division with an A & B format, further reducing the no of games as the board did with Div 5.
The junior leagues when introduced were one division of 12 clubs, 11 games and played weekly on a Friday night - it was a great competition, kept players playing across the summer with competition driving improvement; the league was then reduced to two divisions of 6 teams, halving the number of games - fewer games, less interest.
I hope clubs give the thumbs down to this proposal!
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Post by shannonsider on Nov 13, 2024 20:35:05 GMT
I'd be fairly ok with this proposal personally. I think 10 team divisions and 9 games in a league campaign is plenty. Start the league first week in March and have 9 games over 15/16 weeks. Weekends with no games you play 6/7 Junior or Development league games. You can also avoid some of the deluge that 18-21 year olds had this season due to U21 county championship timing. 5/6 games crammed into 3 weeks is not good for any player, especially young developing players.
Only other thing I'd say is 2 up/2 down is possibly enough with 10 team divisions. 3 up/3 down might be a bit excessive in that scenario although it would make it very very keenly contested so pros and cons for it.
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Post by horsebox77 on Nov 13, 2024 20:46:32 GMT
When is the county board convention when the local motions go to the floor?
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Post by jerryewe on Nov 14, 2024 16:27:29 GMT
I'd be fairly ok with this proposal personally. I think 10 team divisions and 9 games in a league campaign is plenty. Start the league first week in March and have 9 games over 15/16 weeks. Weekends with no games you play 6/7 Junior or Development league games. You can also avoid some of the deluge that 18-21 year olds had this season due to U21 county championship timing. 5/6 games crammed into 3 weeks is not good for any player, especially young developing players. Only other thing I'd say is 2 up/2 down is possibly enough with 10 team divisions. 3 up/3 down might be a bit excessive in that scenario although it would make it very very keenly contested so pros and cons for it. Maybe a compromise would be top 2 up automatically and then the 3rd place team could have a playoff with the club who finished 3rd from bottom of division above. I think it’s important to keep as many games as possible to mean something and not end up with a lot of dead rubbers. |
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Post by mainevalley on Nov 14, 2024 19:44:01 GMT
I'd be fairly ok with this proposal personally. I think 10 team divisions and 9 games in a league campaign is plenty. Start the league first week in March and have 9 games over 15/16 weeks. Weekends with no games you play 6/7 Junior or Development league games. You can also avoid some of the deluge that 18-21 year olds had this season due to U21 county championship timing. 5/6 games crammed into 3 weeks is not good for any player, especially young developing players. Only other thing I'd say is 2 up/2 down is possibly enough with 10 team divisions. 3 up/3 down might be a bit excessive in that scenario although it would make it very very keenly contested so pros and cons for it. Maybe a compromise would be top 2 up automatically and then the 3rd place team could have a playoff with the club who finished 3rd from bottom of division above. I think it’s important to keep as many games as possible to mean something and not end up with a lot of dead rubbers. Best idea I heard |
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Post by diego on Nov 14, 2024 21:33:35 GMT
Should be a motion to give 3 points for a win while they're at it. The major soccer leagues around Europe came to this conclusion about 40 years ago, when they realised a dead even split of the 2 points available was very often too good to turn down for teams.
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Post by horsebox77 on Nov 14, 2024 22:25:34 GMT
Kerry convention just ratified Motion Five by Legion to return to even ages for 2025.
Kerry club fixtures returning to U12, U14, U16 and Minor U18 from January
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Post by yellowbelly on Nov 14, 2024 22:28:18 GMT
The Motion to reduce the County League Divisions to ten teams per Division has been rejected
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Post by greengold35 on Nov 14, 2024 22:44:13 GMT
The Motion to reduce the County League Divisions to ten teams per Division has been rejected Delighted ! |
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Post by horsebox77 on Nov 14, 2024 22:52:28 GMT
I don't know will the county board be happy with either decision
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Post by greengold35 on Nov 14, 2024 22:53:40 GMT
I don't know will the county board be happy with either decision I would not expect so! |
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Post by rangers2900 on Nov 14, 2024 23:02:05 GMT
Minor gone back to u18
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Post by mg72 on Nov 15, 2024 7:52:17 GMT
Kerry convention just ratified Motion Five by Legion to return to even ages for 2025. Kerry club fixtures returning to U12, U14, U16 and Minor U18 from January Good call |
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Post by homerj on Nov 15, 2024 9:03:06 GMT
Will intercounty ever return to 18s?
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Post by john4 on Nov 15, 2024 9:10:22 GMT
Kerry convention just ratified Motion Five by Legion to return to even ages for 2025. Kerry club fixtures returning to U12, U14, U16 and Minor U18 from January Good call Are 17 year olds allowed play adult football or was decoupling introduced aswell? |
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Post by kerryblueboy on Nov 15, 2024 10:02:25 GMT
The changing of the age groups is so annoying just settled into the odd number format and now changed again means some young players will have a second year at a weaker age also makes a mockery of the decision to change it in the first place tail wagging the dog here
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Post by horsebox77 on Nov 15, 2024 10:45:39 GMT
The changing of the age groups is so annoying just settled into the odd number format and now changed again means some young players will have a second year at a weaker age also makes a mockery of the decision to change it in the first place tail wagging the dog here I think the initial change to the odd ages, was the incorrect decision, it has just taken three years to definitely come to that conclusion. The fall off and imbalance was too evident, the fact the vote was 52-7 is telling... |
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Post by kerryblueboy on Nov 15, 2024 10:57:46 GMT
The changing of the age groups is so annoying just settled into the odd number format and now changed again means some young players will have a second year at a weaker age also makes a mockery of the decision to change it in the first place tail wagging the dog here I think the initial change to the odd ages, was the incorrect decision, it has just taken three years to definitely come to that conclusion. The fall off and imbalance was too evident, the fact the vote was 52-7 is telling... I agree but trying to convince weaker players who are in their weaker year again this year to stick at it will be a hard sell can 17 year old players play senior next year |
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Post by rangers2900 on Nov 15, 2024 15:10:02 GMT
If there is decoupling does that mean minors cannot play senior ?
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Post by breakingninja on Nov 15, 2024 15:21:13 GMT
If there is decoupling does that mean minors cannot play senior ? Minors cab play seniors yes |
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Post by yellowbelly on Nov 15, 2024 15:41:35 GMT
If there is decoupling does that mean minors cannot play senior ? Minors cab play seniors yes Minor age group is going to U18 for 2025 U17s will NOT be allowed play Senior U18s will be allowed play with their Senior teams Minor Competitions cannot hold up Senior Competitions |
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Post by Premier on Nov 15, 2024 16:31:35 GMT
Minors cab play seniors yes Minor age group is going to U18 for 2025 U17s will NOT be allowed play Senior U18s will be allowed play with their Senior teams Minor Competitions cannot hold up Senior Competitions So nothing really changing from a senior point of view. Just minors will get another year of underage football. Not sure about the whole minor comps not holding up senior year ones, I can imagine some clubs trying to wiggle their way around that if the player is good enough |
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Post by john4 on Nov 15, 2024 17:30:55 GMT
Minor age group is going to U18 for 2025 U17s will NOT be allowed play Senior U18s will be allowed play with their Senior teams Minor Competitions cannot hold up Senior Competitions So nothing really changing from a senior point of view. Just minors will get another year of underage football. Not sure about the whole minor comps not holding up senior year ones, I can imagine some clubs trying to wiggle their way around that if the player is good enough Absolutely, it's fine saying these things in the middle of November, months away from fixtures coming thick and fast later in next summer, whatever about minor not holding up senior, senior fixtures may hold up minor matches leaving the average fella wondering when his minor matches are on. There's no right or wrong in this, but one clear advantage of the U17's was the certainly around fixture scheduling |
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Post by mossie on Nov 15, 2024 20:47:09 GMT
So nothing really changing from a senior point of view. Just minors will get another year of underage football. Not sure about the whole minor comps not holding up senior year ones, I can imagine some clubs trying to wiggle their way around that if the player is good enough Absolutely, it's fine saying these things in the middle of November, months away from fixtures coming thick and fast later in next summer, whatever about minor not holding up senior, senior fixtures may hold up minor matches leaving the average fella wondering when his minor matches are on. There's no right or wrong in this, but one clear advantage of the U17's was the certainly around fixture scheduling yep you are right re the u17 and scheduling of fixtures, it was a god send n this regard |
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Post by mossie on Nov 15, 2024 20:52:58 GMT
The changing of the age groups is so annoying just settled into the odd number format and now changed again means some young players will have a second year at a weaker age also makes a mockery of the decision to change it in the first place tail wagging the dog here I think the initial change to the odd ages, was the incorrect decision, it has just taken three years to definitely come to that conclusion. The fall off and imbalance was too evident, the fact the vote was 52-7 is telling... I cd never see the merit of changing to under 12,15,17 - at the time I cdnt see the benefit of it This is not a dig at the county board as this was driven at national level by GAA HQ So basically we are back to the way it always was before the change! I am delighted but am concerned about fixture making with the better 18 yr old minors who will be in demand for the adult club teams. wont be easy for the board to manage this |
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Post by mossie on Nov 15, 2024 20:54:57 GMT
The Motion to reduce the County League Divisions to ten teams per Division has been rejected what was the margin on the vote? |
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Post by mossie on Nov 15, 2024 21:02:45 GMT
I'd be fairly ok with this proposal personally. I think 10 team divisions and 9 games in a league campaign is plenty. Start the league first week in March and have 9 games over 15/16 weeks. Weekends with no games you play 6/7 Junior or Development league games. You can also avoid some of the deluge that 18-21 year olds had this season due to U21 county championship timing. 5/6 games crammed into 3 weeks is not good for any player, especially young developing players. Only other thing I'd say is 2 up/2 down is possibly enough with 10 team divisions. 3 up/3 down might be a bit excessive in that scenario although it would make it very very keenly contested so pros and cons for it. I was in favour of the board's proposal Remember clubs have district board leagues as well and if the county league went to a 9 game league, maybe the district board leagues would have got more of a focus and also better dates on the calendar also, dual clubs can struggle with the amount of county leagues matches in both codes. dual clubs should have been in support of the motion in my view |
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Post by greengold35 on Nov 16, 2024 11:12:42 GMT
The Motion to reduce the County League Divisions to ten teams per Division has been rejected what was the margin on the vote? 55-10, there was zero appetite for change. |
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Post by shannonsider on Nov 16, 2024 13:26:57 GMT
I'd be fairly ok with this proposal personally. I think 10 team divisions and 9 games in a league campaign is plenty. Start the league first week in March and have 9 games over 15/16 weeks. Weekends with no games you play 6/7 Junior or Development league games. You can also avoid some of the deluge that 18-21 year olds had this season due to U21 county championship timing. 5/6 games crammed into 3 weeks is not good for any player, especially young developing players. Only other thing I'd say is 2 up/2 down is possibly enough with 10 team divisions. 3 up/3 down might be a bit excessive in that scenario although it would make it very very keenly contested so pros and cons for it. I was in favour of the board's proposal Remember clubs have ditrict board leagues as well and if the county league went to a 9 game league, maybe the district board leagues would have got more of a focus and also better dates on the calendar also, dual clubs can struggle with the amount of county leagues matches in both codes. dual clubs should have been in support of the motion in my view You’ve just outlined there some of the good reasons why I believe it would have been a good move. Also the Development leagues this year were a shambles and not enough games played (which keeps players interested) as they were squeezed into the heavy schedule but there just isn’t room for them. I think 9 county league games would have been enough. I’m surprised clubs were so overwhelmingly against it. On the minor age change I’m definitely happy. Minor at u18 was always better and makes even more sense now with most schools having transition year so therefore the majority do leaving cert year they turn 19. It made no sense having minor at u17 and it was a bit sickening to hear the county board coaching officer parrot the Croke park line about “elite player burnout”. Nonsense if you ask me. I trust clubs to look after their own far more than I trust county managers. If there’s any burnout it’s because of inter county managers thinking they are god and ridiculous scheduling of competitions BY THE GAA. Case in point - putting U20 championship on right in the middle of when every single third level college has end of year exams. This ridiculous scheduling led to a group of Kerry and Cork u20 players sitting an exam in a hotel in Tralee just before they went out to play a Munster u20 final. The reality is they don’t care about burnout - they wheel it out as an excuse when it’s convenient. They wanted minor at u17 to make it handier for fixtures. But it doesn’t work and I’m glad county’s are throwing it back in their faces. Hopefully at some point inter county will go back to u18 and we get to see Minor games played before Senior again. We got rid of something that was positive with all that in my view. |
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Post by jerryewe on Nov 16, 2024 17:20:34 GMT
I think the initial change to the odd ages, was the incorrect decision, it has just taken three years to definitely come to that conclusion. The fall off and imbalance was too evident, the fact the vote was 52-7 is telling... I cd never see the merit of changing to under 12,15,17 - at the time I cdnt see the benefit of it This is not a dig at the county board as this was driven at national level by GAA HQ So basically we are back to the way it always was before the change! I am delighted but am concerned about fixture making with the better 18 yr old minors who will be in demand for the adult club teams. wont be easy for the board to manage this You’ve actually explained the merit of the change in your final paragraph. It was clearly done in order to streamline fixtures so that minor championships would not be held up by the 2 or 3 better players stopping games for the remainder. You can argue if that is the correct approach or not but it’s pretty clear that was the reason. I worry now that it will just go back to the situation previously where district minor championships, in particular, are held up until senior championship is over because 2 or 3 18 year olds are playing with the senior team. |
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