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Post by crokes86 on Jun 7, 2024 14:05:01 GMT
I know I sound biased but I think Mark O’Shea should get a look in for Kerry next year in the league . We don’t have a lot of quality midfielders and he can hold his own against Diarmuid O’Connor Joe O’Connor Barry O’Sullivan etc . He deserves a chance . He’s flying this year.
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Post by anriochtabu23 on Jun 7, 2024 14:44:52 GMT
He's not good enough, simple as that. The step up from club to county is bigger than ever. We are very light around midfield for backup though and it's very disappointing that we got nothing from the last few winning minor teams.
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Post by mainevalley on Jun 7, 2024 15:37:34 GMT
He's better than Barry Dan definitely, got better legs anyway. Nice silky footballer. Wouldn't be suited to the winter league conditions alright but championship in summer these days
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Post by anriochtabu23 on Jun 7, 2024 16:56:58 GMT
Jack definitely doesn't trust Barry Dan for championship. He could have given him a decent run last weekend.
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Post by greengold35 on Jun 7, 2024 21:20:53 GMT
I know I sound biased but I think Mark O’Shea should get a look in for Kerry next year in the league . We don’t have a lot of quality midfielders and he can hold his own against Diarmuid O’Connor Joe O’Connor Barry O’Sullivan etc . He deserves a chance . He’s flying this year. Unfortunately county league is no barometer for senior inter county - casting no aspersions on Crokes, 100% record, but when there are 80 odd players absent due to U20 & senior teams, form is difficult to assess. I have seen O’Shea play & he has looked good but I would reserve judgment until club & county championship are played.
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Post by mike70 on Jun 8, 2024 20:56:44 GMT
I know I sound biased but I think Mark O’Shea should get a look in for Kerry next year in the league . We don’t have a lot of quality midfielders and he can hold his own against Diarmuid O’Connor Joe O’Connor Barry O’Sullivan etc . He deserves a chance . He’s flying this year. I like Mark, I think he should be inside with the panel for sure, he seemed to not progress last year, might have been injured, not sure, but a good county championship by him is needed to convince the doubters.
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Post by crokes86 on Jun 9, 2024 11:08:47 GMT
Mike Burns gone to the US playing in Chicago. Big loss to Crokes.
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Post by dubaigaa2022 on Jun 9, 2024 11:54:33 GMT
He's not good enough, simple as that. The step up from club to county is bigger than ever. We are very light around midfield for backup though and it's very disappointing that we got nothing from the last few winning minor teams. Crazy comment - he's better than what's there at the moment - we must have the poorest MF of the top 12 teams in Ireland - He would definitely be worth his place in the squad, when you see who's in there including the extended squad.
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Post by anriochtabu23 on Jun 9, 2024 11:58:59 GMT
Crokes players get plenty of exposure so no doubt Jack has seen him play isn't impressed. Pat the bag too inside with them.
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Post by greengold35 on Jun 9, 2024 12:13:01 GMT
He's not good enough, simple as that. The step up from club to county is bigger than ever. We are very light around midfield for backup though and it's very disappointing that we got nothing from the last few winning minor teams. Crazy comment - he's better than what's there at the moment - we must have the poorest MF of the top 12 teams in Ireland - He would definitely be worth his place in the squad, when you see who's in there including the extended squad. Mark O’Shea & Cian McMahon have both been with the Kerry senior squad prior to last Sunday’s game - part of extended squad due to injuries.
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Post by diego on Jun 9, 2024 15:40:18 GMT
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Post by diego on Jun 9, 2024 15:42:40 GMT
Crokes 20 points out of 20. Fair going. Laune Rangers with a great campaign also 17 out of 20. Rathmore in 3rd on 16. All with 1 game to play.
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Post by greengold35 on Jun 9, 2024 17:29:44 GMT
I think the paucity of club football in the county has to be a cause of concern to the county board.
Dr Crokes have been rejuvenated by the return of Pat O’Shea but he has reverted to the tried & trusted - Payne, Looney, Casey, Moloney to name some in his return & their stroll to the division 1 title.
Their win today over Milltown/Castlemaine, without their top scorer Micheál Burns, also calls into the question the decision of the SFC review team to accord senior status to the existing 8 clubs from here to 2026- Milltown, Templenoe, Kenmare Shamrocks & even Dingle could all be division 2 sides in 2025 - Na Gaeil will be division 3.
The dilution of standards can be traced to the absolute power bestowed on current inter county senior & U20 managers.
We have panels of 36/40 players, where up to 20 players are denied a chance to help their clubs retain their positions in division 1 - Dingle have lost players to emigration but Dylan & Conor Geaney, if available to them would surely not find themselves in the position they are in currently - surely, if they are not in the match day 24, they should be released to play with their clubs?
There exists a seven day rule where players are not available to their clubs if on a county squad - clubs for some reason do not seem to invoke it.
Think it’s time the clubs took back control & released players to the county squads instead of the other way around - there are a cohort of players who are part of senior squads who rarely get to play competitive football - Micheál Burns, Stefan Okunbar, Ronan Buckley to name but a few have decided that enough is enough.
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Post by clarinman on Jun 9, 2024 19:17:15 GMT
Big win for legion over Gaeltacht. Legion look safe now given their scoring difference. Dingle had a big win at Rathmore. They have a game in hand Vs Miltown next weekend. It's going to be an exciting last weekend in 2 weeks time. Most likely 3 of Dingle, KOR, Gaeltacht and Miltown to be relegated. Hopefully it will be decided on proper results and not on contrived draws.
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Post by greengold35 on Jun 9, 2024 19:38:21 GMT
Big win for legion over Gaeltacht. Legion look safe now given their scoring difference. Dingle had a big win at Rathmore. They have a game in hand Vs Miltown next weekend. It's going to be an exciting last weekend in 2 weeks time. Most likely 3 of Dingle, KOR, Gaeltacht and Miltown to be relegated. Hopefully it will be decided on proper results and not on contrived draws. If teams finish level on points, it’s a play off decides - scoring difference doesn’t count.
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Post by clarinman on Jun 9, 2024 19:47:39 GMT
Big win for legion over Gaeltacht. Legion look safe now given their scoring difference. Dingle had a big win at Rathmore. They have a game in hand Vs Miltown next weekend. It's going to be an exciting last weekend in 2 weeks time. Most likely 3 of Dingle, KOR, Gaeltacht and Miltown to be relegated. Hopefully it will be decided on proper results and not on contrived draws. If teams finish level on points, it’s a play off decides - scoring difference doesn’t count. Thanks, didn't know that
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Post by The16thMan on Jun 9, 2024 19:49:03 GMT
I think the paucity of club football in the county has to be a cause of concern to the county board. Dr Crokes have been rejuvenated by the return of Pat O’Shea but he has reverted to the tried & trusted - Payne, Looney, Casey, Moloney to name some in his return & their stroll to the division 1 title. Their win today over Milltown/Castlemaine, without their top scorer Micheál Burns, also calls into the question the decision of the SFC review team to accord senior status to the existing 8 clubs from here to 2026- Milltown, Templenoe, Kenmare Shamrocks & even Dingle could all be division 2 sides in 2025 - Na Gaeil will be division 3. The dilution of standards can be traced to the absolute power bestowed on current inter county senior & U20 managers. We have panels of 36/40 players, where up to 20 players are denied a chance to help their clubs retain their positions in division 1 - Dingle have lost players to emigration but Dylan & Conor Geaney, if available to them would surely not find themselves in the position they are in currently - surely, if they are not in the match day 24, they should be released to play with their clubs? There exists a seven day rule where players are not available to their clubs if on a county squad - clubs for some reason do not seem to invoke it. Think it’s time the clubs took back control & released players to the county squads instead of the other way around - there are a cohort of players who are part of senior squads who rarely get to play competitive football - Micheál Burns, Stefan Okunbar, Ronan Buckley to name but a few have decided that enough is enough. In fairness, Crokes full strength team isn't far off some lower intercounty teams and I'd fancy them to give East Kerry a good run for it later in the year. Crokes must have about 10 players who have played for Kerry at some capacity whether that is Minor,U20/21, McGrath Cup, League or Championship along with a former All Ireland Senior Club & County winning manager. A lot of former Kerry players from the 00's also say Pat O'Shea's sessions were the best theyd have taken part in as he would cosch the session himself and had something unique in how he coached the game. Kerry played some superb football at times under his reign in 07/08. No surprise to me that Crokes are so dominant at club level so far. They've just lack a bit of consistency past few years but I'd expect Pat to correct this.
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Post by anriochtabu23 on Jun 9, 2024 21:02:49 GMT
In fairness to the crokes they coach their young players all the right skillset. All can kick off both feet and play heads up football. Apparently their numbers underage aren't great now as first time buyers finding the town too expensive. Milltown and Listry and Farranfore are growing because of it.
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Post by edgeofthesquare on Jun 9, 2024 22:32:51 GMT
Mark O’Shea & Cian McMahon have both been with the Kerry senior squad prior to last Sunday’s game - part of extended squad due to injuries. If Jack is ever looking for someone to fill into the extended panel to cover injuries it always seems to be Crokes players, presumably because they’re across the road! Evan Looney did similar last year. Mark O’Shea has been in that position for years, surely if he’s good enough bring him in as a proper panellist and if he’s not give the experience to someone else who could potentially be good enough.
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Post by crokes86 on Jun 10, 2024 1:42:37 GMT
David Shaw is back from the states but Charlie Keating supposedly heading to Australia to the AFL him and Burns will be big losses
At full strength they’ll be still tough to beat
3 keepers
Shane Murphy Bryan O’Shea and u21 keeper Cathal Kelly
The back line is solid
Mark Fitzgerald John Payne Mike Moloney Fionn Fitzgerald Maidchi Lynch David Naughton Harry Potts Mark Cooper Evan Looney Sean Fitzgerald Brendan Coppinger Gavin White
Midfield
Mark O’Shea Mike Potts Tom Doyle David Shaw Paul Clarke
Forwards
Brian Looney Billy Courtney Tony Brosnan Alex Hennigan Cian McMahon Kieran O’Leary Daithi Casey Mike Casey Liam Randles Jack O’Sullivan Brendan Falvey Gavin O’Shea Cillian Fitzgerald
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Post by mainevalley on Jun 11, 2024 19:48:59 GMT
David Shaw is back from the states but Charlie Keating supposedly heading to Australia to the AFL him and Burns will be big losses At full strength they’ll be still tough to beat 3 keepers Shane Murphy Bryan O’Shea and u21 keeper Cathal Kelly The back line is solid Mark Fitzgerald John Payne Mike Moloney Fionn Fitzgerald Maidchi Lynch David Naughton Harry Potts Mark Cooper Evan Looney Sean Fitzgerald Brendan Coppinger Gavin White Midfield Mark O’Shea Mike Potts Tom Doyle David Shaw Paul Clarke Forwards Brian Looney Billy Courtney Tony Brosnan Alex Hennigan Cian McMahon Kieran O’Leary Daithi Casey Mike Casey Liam Randles Jack O’Sullivan Brendan Falvey Gavin O’Shea Cillian Fitzgerald I don't know pat O shea does it but he always manages to get the old players back into the frame. Mike Moloney as an example also getting paul clarke back. It's remarkable
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Post by yellowbelly on Jun 15, 2024 22:21:51 GMT
Back game in Div One Milltown Castlemaine 0-6 Dingle 2-8
See Milltown relegated and Dingle's survival in their own hands. A win against Spa next weekend will relegate Milltown, Gaeltacht. The Narries need Dingle to drop points or Legion to lose against GLenflesk to stay up.
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Post by clarinman on Jun 15, 2024 22:47:19 GMT
Back game in Div One Milltown Castlemaine 0-6 Dingle 2-8 See Milltown relegated and Dingle's survival in their own hands. A win against Spa next weekend will relegate Milltown, Gaeltacht. The Narries need Dingle to drop points or Legion to lose against GLenflesk to stay up. The Narries are one point behind Dingle and two behind Legion. If Dingle get a result; the best the Narries can hope for with a win is a relegation playoff. Milltown are already relegated.
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Post by greengold35 on Jun 16, 2024 11:01:39 GMT
Back game in Div One Milltown Castlemaine 0-6 Dingle 2-8 See Milltown relegated and Dingle's survival in their own hands. A win against Spa next weekend will relegate Milltown, Gaeltacht. The Narries need Dingle to drop points or Legion to lose against GLenflesk to stay up. The Narries are one point behind Dingle and two behind Legion. If Dingle get a result; the best the Narries can hope for with a win is a relegation playoff. Milltown are already relegated. An Ghaeltacht are as good as gone too - the best they can get is 7 points, Narries can get to 8, Dingle 9 - hard to know how games will go as none of Milltown ( vs Gaeltacht), Ballymac ( vs KO’R), Spa ( vs Dingle) or Glenflesk ( vs Legion) have nothing on the line. Dingle should win @ home making all other results irrelevant.
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Post by Premier on Jun 21, 2024 7:37:05 GMT
Heading into the final round, Crokes have Div 1 already won with Rahillys, An Ghaeltacht and Milltown all pretty much consigned to Div 2
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Post by greengold35 on Jun 21, 2024 9:30:25 GMT
Heading into the final round, Crokes have Div 1 already won with Rahillys, An Ghaeltacht and Milltown all pretty much consigned to Div 2 Yea, all but done & dusted - Dingle & Legion could conceivably get dragged into relegation mire but unlikely. Standards across all divisions have been poor - Milltown won one game , Na Gaeil none, but both are guaranteed senior status until 2026!
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Post by mike70 on Jun 21, 2024 21:44:04 GMT
I think the general consensus around the county is the standard within our county leagues has dropped, have seen it myself in div 1 but others repeat the same story across the other divisions.
Will it impact our future senior team. 🤷🏽♂️
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Post by onlykerry on Jun 22, 2024 8:48:54 GMT
The county leagues are played without the participation of the 35 best players in the county and also without the best 30+ up and coming players for so long as the the U20 campaign lasts at intercounty level. When you add in the number of lads who are gone for travel adventures it is no wonder the standard appears to have dropped. Covid caused a lot of lads to postpone travel plans and three years of travel has happened all together. There is still plenty of young talent emerging - look at the number of Kerry schools doing well at Munster level and the county minors are strong nearly every year. I would not be too gloomy about the conveyor belt - the challenge is and remains keeping them engaged and participating and this is why the attitude of the county board to the U20 grade (at club level) irks me in the extreme.
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Post by mike70 on Jun 22, 2024 8:58:06 GMT
The county leagues are played without the participation of the 35 best players in the county and also without the best 30+ up and coming players for so long as the the U20 campaign lasts at intercounty level. When you add in the number of lads who are gone for travel adventures it is no wonder the standard appears to have dropped. Covid caused a lot of lads to postpone travel plans and three years of travel has happened all together. There is still plenty of young talent emerging - look at the number of Kerry schools doing well at Munster level and the county minors are strong nearly every year. I would not be too gloomy about the conveyor belt - the challenge is and remains keeping them engaged and participating and this is why the attitude of the county board to the U20 grade (at club level) irks me in the extreme. I agree with lots of what you say, but the county players were always out of the loop for the county league, bar a few back games, so without them boys the league standard has definitely dropped off.
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Post by diego on Jun 23, 2024 14:49:57 GMT
Heading into the final round, Crokes have Div 1 already won with Rahillys, An Ghaeltacht and Milltown all pretty much consigned to Div 2 Spa not reading the script today with a win in Dingle. Rahillys stay up after a big win over Ballymac. Crokes completed campaign with 100% record after win over Rathmore.
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