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Post by royalkerryfan on Feb 17, 2024 22:59:57 GMT
Worked his socks off, Got caught once by Diarmuid O Connor in possession but Joe is doing well.
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Post by The16thMan on Feb 17, 2024 23:29:31 GMT
Kerry made hard work of that. Were probably 4 points the better team but some inaccuracies made it a closer game than it should have been.
Negatives: •Ball spilled very easily, both in and out of being tackled. •Shooting was only about 55% •Ball was also a bit slow being kicked inside to forwards.
Positives would be: •Winning a tight game. •Form of the Cliffords & Graham O'Sullivan. •Cillian Burke looks like he's gonna take some stopping to have his starting shirt taken from him. •No goal chance conceded.
Jack called it a 6/10 performance and I would agree. Plenty to work on ahead of Dublin next Saturday. Dublin can be there for taking I reckon if Kerry want, shouldn't be any shortage of motivation.
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Post by jrmanula on Feb 17, 2024 23:33:18 GMT
Congratulations to Kerry. From a Mayo point of view,it was good not to concede any goals. Kerry had 9 wides. Ref inconsistent and fussy. Clifford the difference. O Shea not the real deal yet. A great advertisement for Gaelic football
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Post by powerhurl on Feb 17, 2024 23:40:44 GMT
Good 2 points for kerry . Wouldnt get carried away too much expected of David Clifford .Dublin still look as champions look the side to beat
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Post by horsebox77 on Feb 18, 2024 0:56:57 GMT
I'll post on the game itself tmw but considering this was a home win, by one point, kicked in injury time at a full ASP, I've never been to a more numb atmosphere in my life, this gane vmnever ignited in my opinion. I was in the shed, all around me was full but it was dead dead...would folk agree? It was so flat for a Sat night game.
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Post by southward on Feb 18, 2024 1:05:37 GMT
Massive crowd tonight, biggest I've seen in years. Pity the game didn't really live up to it though, atmosphere was a bit flat, considering.
Have to say it could have done with a few more stewards around the place, considering the crowd. The walkways mid-terrace were full of bodies throughout and some lads weren't for budging. It's all fine until it isn't. Also, why not open the gate between the terrace and the Mitchels shed afterwards? - sometimes it's open, sometimes it ain't, it was needed tonight.
In addition to the lads mentioned above, I thought Jason had a fine game tonight. Hats off to Fergal Boland too, kicked a few beauties for Mayo. God, we nearly blew it though, would have been a right sickener.
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Post by southward on Feb 18, 2024 1:09:45 GMT
I'll post on the game itself tmw but considering this was a home win, by one point, kicked in injury time at a full ASP, I've never been to a more numb atmosphere in my life, this gane vmnever ignited in my opinion. I was in the shed, all around me was full but it was dead dead...would folk agree? It was so flat for a Sat night game. Totally agree, horse. The Derry game was the same. And Armagh last year. Big crowds, dead games. Totally different to a few years ago, ASP under lights was always good. I'm putting it down to the style of play. This slow, mechanical build up is killing momentum and killing the crowd.
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Post by Premier on Feb 18, 2024 8:29:59 GMT
I thought Kerry could have done a little better on their own kick out. I thought Ryan was a bit slow at times getting it out, with Graham o Sullivan bailing us out with good runs for important wins. We miss Begley during these games as he always seems to get free. Gavin white continues to mix the good with the bad. Drives forward well at times but then slips and falls into the opposition a lot. One would wonder is Tom Sullivan suited to Ryan o Donoghue at all. He seems to get lost when forwards are ‘on the loop’. ROD could have had at least 2 more from play as well. Burke has been the find of the league for Kerry. Not only cutting through defences, but popping up inside full forward as a link man well at times too. He’s the threat Kerry needed at 10. Moynihan continues to confuse. He has had a good start to the year in terms of performances in terms of running and linking play but that missed mark shows his kicking is not good for an inter county forward. You’d wonder whether his ceiling is too low in terms of where he can get to. If he does play, 45 mins would be the right amount of time to stay on in that role. Dylan Geaney’s kick passing is a joy to behold. He just needs to get on it and demand it more. None of the subs made much of an impact, Barry Dan getting on the most ball. Conor Geaney getting turned over twice when he came on won’t do his game time chances much good with Brosnan, Spillane, O’Brien’ PGeaney all behind him
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Post by kerrysouth on Feb 18, 2024 8:44:22 GMT
Jack gave the performance a 6 out of 10 and I would agree with him as we left a 3 point lead slip with numerical advantage and it took Clifford magic to rescue us again following a great move out of defence started by white and following a patient build up unlike the Derry game we secured the points.But as jack said a lot to work on still way too dependent on the Cliffords for scores and while Moynihan and Burke worked hard no scores again and Moynihan again missing an easy mark.The Geaneys very poor again bar a good pass to clifford Dylanwas totally anonymous and Barry Dan really struggled in the 10 mins he was on the field and is just not at this level.Diarmuid O Connor had a fine game and is becoming the midfielder Kerry need if we are to win all Ireland’s but in reality if anything happens the Cliffords our odds of winning will soar 0-9 from play between them is some return and I agree with posters atmosphere really poor in Austin stack park again last night
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Post by kerryblueboy on Feb 18, 2024 9:16:23 GMT
I’d say having to be in the ground 2-3 hours before throw in subdued a lot of people surely they can put numbers on the seats there
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Post by mike70 on Feb 18, 2024 10:17:14 GMT
Jack gave the performance a 6 out of 10 and I would agree with him as we left a 3 point lead slip with numerical advantage and it took Clifford magic to rescue us again following a great move out of defence started by white and following a patient build up unlike the Derry game we secured the points.But as jack said a lot to work on still way too dependent on the Cliffords for scores and while Moynihan and Burke worked hard no scores again and Moynihan again missing an easy mark.The Geaneys very poor again bar a good pass to clifford Dylanwas totally anonymous and Barry Dan really struggled in the 10 mins he was on the field and is just not at this level.Diarmuid O Connor had a fine game and is becoming the midfielder Kerry need if we are to win all Ireland’s but in reality if anything happens the Cliffords our odds of winning will soar 0-9 from play between them is some return and I agree with posters atmosphere really poor in Austin stack park again last night I am fully aligned with most of the comments kerrysouth, especially with regard the Clifford’s, may they keep on turning in those performances. The concern last night was that mayo were down to 14 on the 59th minute at 14 - 11, we kick 2 more and they kicked 4, with better decision making, they had momentum, they could have sneaked it. The bench offfered very little last night, there are no game changers on the bench, with a few more back, that will change, but for now the bench brings fresh legs to hold the line, we still be looking to Clifford’s and seanie to keep us in the driving seat. Definitely some good performances last night but lots to do, we can still struggle with the defensive systems which could be our undoing come July, still have not found the key to unlock that one yet.
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Post by givehimaball on Feb 18, 2024 10:46:32 GMT
I’d say having to be in the ground 2-3 hours before throw in subdued a lot of people surely they can put numbers on the seats there In total agreement - have so much of the crowd seated for so long before the game even starts totally drains the energy from the place. I'd be willing to bet if Fitzgerald Stadium had lights the atmosphere would have been much better there last night because the crowd in the stand wouldn't have had to have been in stadium so long beforehand.
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Post by paudief on Feb 18, 2024 10:55:47 GMT
Definitely some good performances last night but lots to do, we can still struggle with the defensive systems which could be our undoing come July, still have not found the key to unlock that one yet. Yeah, against set defences, they are struggling, which was consistently the case last year. When they get the ball forward quickly, it's fine, but that's not always going to be the case.
But it's early in the year, and there's a few new pieces...Burke/Dylan Geaney, the two Cliffords making their first start, Sean O'Shea playing a new position. David seemed to express in his post-match interview some frustration that they're not gelling well together yet.
It won't really be easy to fix that in a week, which leaves me not so optimistic about next week's Croke Park encounter. But two wins out of three takes the pressure off a bit.
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Post by onlykerry on Feb 18, 2024 11:49:23 GMT
Far too static for his own good - got caught waiting for the ball at least twice. He has a tendency to stand under a dropping ball and jump from a standing position, gets beaten by a guy doing a running jump. Still very raw at this level but has potential to develop into a good inter county player.
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Post by thehermit on Feb 18, 2024 11:53:21 GMT
Well a win, is a win, is a win as they say! But it was a sloppy, sloopy display by the Kingdom.
With the forecast uncertain I was determined to get in as early as reasonable to find a decent perch and walked through the turnstiles at 6:45 as the PA announced the stand was full - rats. Looking across at the terrace the heart sank as the middle third was also full to the brim. 40 whole minutes before the game and, for the first half anyway, I was confined already to the upper steps just next to the Horan scoreboard. By the time of the anthem even the grass bank had 100-200 people. As big a crowd as I've ever seen in Stacks and yet, to echo other posters, most of the match resembled a nun's wake. A few brief chants of Kerry in the second half, one half-hearted Mayo-Mayo that died as soon as it rose - the only time the decibels registered was to applaud David's winning kick.
This issue is something that goes beyond the GAA, I was at Pairc Ui Supervalu for the recent Munster game - another full house yet dead atmosphere. The Irish rugby captain last Sunday made comments about how flat Landsdowne Road was despite a resounding win over Italy. Even the All Ireland last year was terrible atmosphere wise. Is the Irish supporter, so long renowned the world over for the colour and craic they brought to events, becoming an extinct entity?!! I contrast all of this with what you see at somewhere like Murrayfield at this time of year with the bagpipes blaring, canon's pounding and (admittedly one of the great anthems of the world) belted out with pride and passion by 70,000 odd Scots. I feel its a damning indictment of our heritage of music and passion that our sports events are so often now accompanied by such a tepid ambience. And I'm as guilty as anyone last night, I never raised a roar. What's the solution? Well in terms of Stacks and Fitzgerald stadium I think the Kerry GAA need to put a bit more into the pre-game build up. Remember in 2019 and in 2022 we had live music getting the crowds twisting in their seats a good hour or so before the games. Perhaps in the last couple of years the County Board assumed the ambience would now take care of itself, but clearly that's not the case. And yes I concur that the fact a lot of people seem to be sitting in the ground for 2 hours + before game time with nothing in front of them is be a big factor. And at the same time you have to wonder why people are coming into the ground so early. To be honest its ridiculous that you can be inside the ground 45mins early and still have to confine yourself to the end sections of the terracing. As someone else said above, maybe they could look into separate stand tickets and assigned seating. I, for one, would never be interested in having to sit in a stand for 1-2 hours before a match starting into space or at my phone for a league game.
Back to matters on the pitch, I'll caveat everything with the observation the pitch looked very heavy. Its clear all the games over the last two weeks have not be kind to it. I don't think I've ever seen so many players slipping, balls spilling from hops or being dropped by the catcher. Despite this our conversion rate was extremely disappointing. I counted around 12 wides and most were relatively easy points - Jason Foley I'm looking at you! Dara missed a bad mark, Seanie sent a few straight forward frees wide. As I prefaced, sloppy.
As for individuals, lets start from the back. I felt Ryan panicked a little at the end and allowed Mayo the opportunities to get back level. I also felt he was too adventurous in his up field travels and could easily have been turned over a couple of times. There's a difference between high-risk/high-reward and kamikaze! Gavin seemed to spend the game either failing over, getting turned over, or dropping the ball on the ground. It was a similar story the last day out and you have to wonder what is going on there? However overall all I felt the defence marshalled things well, aided by some bizarre decision making and kick passing by the Mayo forwards. Now credit Mayo as they always managed to keep in touch and Boland's long distance kicking was a joy, but we never gave them a proper goal chance which is encouraging. I felt we more or less broke even in midfield, Joe is still rough around the edges but that's to be expected. I'll watch with interest how himself and DOC perform in the expanse of Croker next weekend.
Up front we were too reliant on the Cliffords last night but what men they are, both always willing to show for the ball and coming up when they were most needed. I think Cillian had a fine outing too, for a big man he has a brilliant ability to run through tacklers and the way he can do so while moving the ball as he holds it is so so impressive. A great find for us for sure. Dara was disappointing, you have to be able to kick marks like that at this level. There was also a instance where he could have shot a relatively easy point coming onto the ball in the second half, but instead passed it to Tom who was in a very awkward position by the sideline and as he tried to work it back to David the opportunity was lost. Dylan did well IMO but as others observed we got little scoring threat from the bench. Lastly I personally felt Seanie was below par and on this viewing the experiment of him and David inside did not seem to work, Seanie was relatively quiet for much of the game and did not actually spend much time in the full forward line. A lot more work needs to be done on the training pitch to figure out how both can dovetail more effectively in the same line.
So yep Jack's spot on in his assessment. We were easily 4-5 points the better team and if we had played faster more direct ball into the lads inside they had the beating of their men. Big improvement in ball handling, composure and intensity needed to get anything out of next week. Yet conversely, I came out of Stacks feeling a hard, wide surface would suit this side down to the ground next week. Hopefully that and the sight of the Dirty Dubs will get their hearts racing.
Looking forward to a great sporting Saturday next weekend, An Riocht Abu!
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Post by onlykerry on Feb 18, 2024 11:54:13 GMT
Congratulations to Kerry. From a Mayo point of view,it was good not to concede any goals. Kerry had 9 wides. Ref inconsistent and fussy. Clifford the difference. O Shea not the real deal yet. A great advertisement for Gaelic football Atmosphere at the game was muted, particularly given a near full house. Some flashes of good skills but the massed defences which were prevalent throughout are far from an advertisement for the game - groans of frustration from fans (both sets) on terrace at the over and back play with everyone behind the ball.
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Post by pipsqueak01 on Feb 18, 2024 12:03:22 GMT
Well a win, is a win, is a win as they say! But it was a sloppy, sloopy display by the Kingdom. With the forecast uncertain I was determined to get in as early as reasonable to find a decent perch and walked through the turnstiles at 6:45 as the PA announced the stand was full - rats. Looking across at the terrace the heart sank as the middle third was also full to the brim. 40 whole minutes before the game and, for the first half anyway, I was confined already to the upper steps just next to the Horan scoreboard. By the time of the anthem even the grass bank had 100-200 people. As big a crowd as I've ever seen in Stacks and yet, to echo other posters, most of the match resembled a nun's wake. A few brief chants of Kerry in the second half, one half-hearted Mayo-Mayo that died as soon as it rose - the only time the decibels registered was to applaud David's winning kick. This issue is something that goes beyond the GAA, I was at Pairc Ui Supervalu for the recent Munster game - another full house yet dead atmosphere. The Irish rugby captain last Sunday made comments about how flat Landsdowne Road was despite a resounding win over Italy. Even the All Ireland last year was terrible atmosphere wise. Is the Irish supporter, so long renowned the world over for the colour and craic they brought to events, becoming an extinct entity?!! I contrast all of this with what you see at somewhere like Murrayfield at this time of year with the bagpipes blaring, canon's pounding and (admittedly one of the great anthems of the world) belted out with pride and passion by 70,000 odd Scots. I feel its a damning indictment of our heritage of music and passion that our sports events are so often now accompanied by such a tepid ambience. And I'm as guilty as anyone last night, I never raised a roar. What's the solution? Well in terms of Stacks and Fitzgerald stadium I think the Kerry GAA need to put a bit more into the pre-game build up. Remember in 2019 and in 2022 we had live music getting the crowds twisting in their seats a good hour or so before the games. Perhaps in the last couple of years the County Board assumed the ambience would now take care of itself, but clearly that's not the case. And yes I concur that the fact a lot of people seem to be sitting in the ground for 2 hours + before game time with nothing in front of them is be a big factor. And at the same time you have to wonder why people are coming into the ground so early. To be honest its ridiculous that you can be inside the ground 45mins early and still have to confine yourself to the end sections of the terracing. As someone else said above, maybe they could look into separate stand tickets and assigned seating. I, for one, would never be interested in having to sit in a stand for 1-2 hours before a match starting into space or at my phone for a league game. Back to matters on the pitch, I'll caveat everything with the observation the pitch looked very heavy. Its clear all the games over the last two weeks have not be kind to it. I don't think I've ever seen so many players slipping, balls spilling from hops or being dropped by the catcher. Despite this our conversion rate was extremely disappointing. I counted around 12 wides and most were relatively easy points - Jason Foley I'm looking at you! Dara missed a bad mark, Seanie sent a few straight forward frees wide. As I prefaced, sloppy. As for individuals, lets start from the back. I felt Ryan panicked a little at the end and allowed Mayo the opportunities to get back level. I also felt he was too adventurous in his up field travels and could easily have been turned over a couple of times. There's a difference between high-risk/high-reward and kamikaze! Gavin seemed to spend the game either failing over, getting turned over, or dropping the ball on the ground. It was a similar story the last day out and you have to wonder what is going on there? However overall all I felt the defence marshalled things well, aided by some bizarre decision making and kick passing by the Mayo forwards. Now credit Mayo as they always managed to keep in touch and Boland's long distance kicking was a joy, but we never gave them a proper goal chance which is encouraging. I felt we more or less broke even in midfield, Joe is still rough around the edges but that's to be expected. I'll watch with interest how himself and DOC perform in the expanse of Croker next weekend. Up front we were too reliant on the Cliffords last night but what men they are, both always willing to show for the ball and coming up when they were most needed. I think Cillian had a fine outing too, for a big man he has a brilliant ability to run through tacklers and the way he can do so while moving the ball as he holds it is so so impressive. A great find for us for sure. Dara was disappointing, you have to be able to kick marks like that at this level. There was also a instance where he could have shot a relatively easy point coming onto the ball in the second half, but instead passed it to Tom who was in a very awkward position by the sideline and as he tried to work it back to David the opportunity was lost. Dylan did well IMO but as others observed we got little scoring threat from the bench. Lastly I personally felt Seanie was below par and on this viewing the experiment of him and David inside did not seem to work, Seanie was relatively quiet for much of the game and did not actually spend much time in the full forward line. A lot more work needs to be done on the training pitch to figure out how both can dovetail more effectively in the same line. So yep Jack's spot on in his assessment. We were easily 4-5 points the better team and if we had played faster more direct ball into the lads inside they had the beating of their men. Big improvement in ball handling, composure and intensity needed to get anything out of next week. Yet conversely, I came out of Stacks feeling a hard, wide surface would suit this side down to the ground next week. Hopefully that and the sight of the Dirty Dubs will get their hearts racing. Looking forward to a great sporting Saturday next weekend, An Riocht Abu! Terribly harsh review on Dara Moynihan. I thought he had a very good game from watching on my sofa. I know he missed a mark but sometimes guys who aren’t used to taking frees are nearly better off shooting under a bit of pressure. Other than that mark on his card I’d have given him an 8/10
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Post by thehermit on Feb 18, 2024 12:11:45 GMT
Well a win, is a win, is a win as they say! But it was a sloppy, sloopy display by the Kingdom. With the forecast uncertain I was determined to get in as early as reasonable to find a decent perch and walked through the turnstiles at 6:45 as the PA announced the stand was full - rats. Looking across at the terrace the heart sank as the middle third was also full to the brim. 40 whole minutes before the game and, for the first half anyway, I was confined already to the upper steps just next to the Horan scoreboard. By the time of the anthem even the grass bank had 100-200 people. As big a crowd as I've ever seen in Stacks and yet, to echo other posters, most of the match resembled a nun's wake. A few brief chants of Kerry in the second half, one half-hearted Mayo-Mayo that died as soon as it rose - the only time the decibels registered was to applaud David's winning kick. This issue is something that goes beyond the GAA, I was at Pairc Ui Supervalu for the recent Munster game - another full house yet dead atmosphere. The Irish rugby captain last Sunday made comments about how flat Landsdowne Road was despite a resounding win over Italy. Even the All Ireland last year was terrible atmosphere wise. Is the Irish supporter, so long renowned the world over for the colour and craic they brought to events, becoming an extinct entity?!! I contrast all of this with what you see at somewhere like Murrayfield at this time of year with the bagpipes blaring, canon's pounding and (admittedly one of the great anthems of the world) belted out with pride and passion by 70,000 odd Scots. I feel its a damning indictment of our heritage of music and passion that our sports events are so often now accompanied by such a tepid ambience. And I'm as guilty as anyone last night, I never raised a roar. What's the solution? Well in terms of Stacks and Fitzgerald stadium I think the Kerry GAA need to put a bit more into the pre-game build up. Remember in 2019 and in 2022 we had live music getting the crowds twisting in their seats a good hour or so before the games. Perhaps in the last couple of years the County Board assumed the ambience would now take care of itself, but clearly that's not the case. And yes I concur that the fact a lot of people seem to be sitting in the ground for 2 hours + before game time with nothing in front of them is be a big factor. And at the same time you have to wonder why people are coming into the ground so early. To be honest its ridiculous that you can be inside the ground 45mins early and still have to confine yourself to the end sections of the terracing. As someone else said above, maybe they could look into separate stand tickets and assigned seating. I, for one, would never be interested in having to sit in a stand for 1-2 hours before a match starting into space or at my phone for a league game. Back to matters on the pitch, I'll caveat everything with the observation the pitch looked very heavy. Its clear all the games over the last two weeks have not be kind to it. I don't think I've ever seen so many players slipping, balls spilling from hops or being dropped by the catcher. Despite this our conversion rate was extremely disappointing. I counted around 12 wides and most were relatively easy points - Jason Foley I'm looking at you! Dara missed a bad mark, Seanie sent a few straight forward frees wide. As I prefaced, sloppy. As for individuals, lets start from the back. I felt Ryan panicked a little at the end and allowed Mayo the opportunities to get back level. I also felt he was too adventurous in his up field travels and could easily have been turned over a couple of times. There's a difference between high-risk/high-reward and kamikaze! Gavin seemed to spend the game either failing over, getting turned over, or dropping the ball on the ground. It was a similar story the last day out and you have to wonder what is going on there? However overall all I felt the defence marshalled things well, aided by some bizarre decision making and kick passing by the Mayo forwards. Now credit Mayo as they always managed to keep in touch and Boland's long distance kicking was a joy, but we never gave them a proper goal chance which is encouraging. I felt we more or less broke even in midfield, Joe is still rough around the edges but that's to be expected. I'll watch with interest how himself and DOC perform in the expanse of Croker next weekend. Up front we were too reliant on the Cliffords last night but what men they are, both always willing to show for the ball and coming up when they were most needed. I think Cillian had a fine outing too, for a big man he has a brilliant ability to run through tacklers and the way he can do so while moving the ball as he holds it is so so impressive. A great find for us for sure. Dara was disappointing, you have to be able to kick marks like that at this level. There was also a instance where he could have shot a relatively easy point coming onto the ball in the second half, but instead passed it to Tom who was in a very awkward position by the sideline and as he tried to work it back to David the opportunity was lost. Dylan did well IMO but as others observed we got little scoring threat from the bench. Lastly I personally felt Seanie was below par and on this viewing the experiment of him and David inside did not seem to work, Seanie was relatively quiet for much of the game and did not actually spend much time in the full forward line. A lot more work needs to be done on the training pitch to figure out how both can dovetail more effectively in the same line. So yep Jack's spot on in his assessment. We were easily 4-5 points the better team and if we had played faster more direct ball into the lads inside they had the beating of their men. Big improvement in ball handling, composure and intensity needed to get anything out of next week. Yet conversely, I came out of Stacks feeling a hard, wide surface would suit this side down to the ground next week. Hopefully that and the sight of the Dirty Dubs will get their hearts racing. Looking forward to a great sporting Saturday next weekend, An Riocht Abu! Terribly harsh review on Dara Moynihan. I thought he had a very good game from watching on my sofa. I know he missed a mark but sometimes guys who aren’t used to taking frees are nearly better off shooting under a bit of pressure. Other than that mark on his card I’d have given him an 8/10 Well I haven't had the chance to watch it back on tv so you might be right. I actually have a lot of time for Dara as I think he has great heart and I really do hope he can become the player I think he is capable of being.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Feb 18, 2024 12:24:39 GMT
Terribly harsh review on Dara Moynihan. I thought he had a very good game from watching on my sofa. I know he missed a mark but sometimes guys who aren’t used to taking frees are nearly better off shooting under a bit of pressure. Other than that mark on his card I’d have given him an 8/10 Well I haven't had the chance to watch it back on tv so you might be right. I actually have a lot of time for Dara as I think he has great heart and I really do hope he can become the player I think he is capable of being. Eamonn Fitz on commentary said it was Daras best performance. For me he has to score that mark ot was a bad miss but it was the theme of the evening. He did work very hard and got on a lot of ball.
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Post by thehermit on Feb 18, 2024 13:27:06 GMT
Speaking of stands being full well before throw in, that picture was taken more than two and a half hours before the match started. Who the hell is queuing for a League game before 5 O'clock?!!!!
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Post by augustafield on Feb 18, 2024 13:50:17 GMT
If one didn’t know one would take some convincing that the Kerry team we saw last night ( bar a few changes ) won Sam 2 years ago and nearly held on to it last year .
Chalk and Cheese springs to mind.
The slow boring ponderous play out of defence muted the crowd effects and even the frantic frenetic attempts thereafter trying to walk the ball into the net by constant short passing resembling an under 10 match on a Sunday morning didn’t rouse the silent almost sullen spectators. And to think some of them were seated for over an hour before kick off !
It’s easy to be critical sitting on the couch but these are elite footballers we are watching and is it too much to expect a little better ? It most certainly was not a “ great advertisement for Gaelic football “ as some Poster alluded to and whilst the conditions - slippery ball , heavy pitch wind and rain would have contributed to the disappointing fare - its hard not to agree with Jack O Connors 6 out of 10 for effort.
Next week will , I have no doubt see a totally different performance. The open spaces of Croke Park will suit our style of play but please Shane Ryan don’t venture too far forth - Ryan O Donoghue almost caused you an embarrassment that you would never have been allowed to forget . Don’t let the Dubs do it . And remember it wasn’t too long ago when a nett minder of ours from a kick out conceded a 45 .
Is it my imagination or am I correct in believing Austin Stack Park does Kerry no favours ? Maybe I’m totally wrong but I think it’s not conducive to our style of play . Maybe it’s too tight and claustrophobic ?
Still to win when not playing well is a bonus and bodes well going forward .
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Post by southward on Feb 18, 2024 14:02:47 GMT
Speaking of stands being full well before throw in, that picture was taken more than two and a half hours before the match started. Who the hell is queuing for a League game before 5 O'clock?!!!! That's insane. Why would anyone so this - to get a good spot in the stand for a league game? Personally, I think that stand is a miserable cold kip; it's the last place I'd want to be, never mind spend that long there. I'd go off my head. Got into the ground just after 7. Was pretty full alright but managed to burrow in to a decent spot under the commentary box - it's usually not quite as rammed as it seems from a distance, though the lads blocking the stairways don't help.
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Post by onlykerry on Feb 18, 2024 15:05:41 GMT
If one didn’t know one would take some convincing that the Kerry team we saw last night ( bar a few changes ) won Sam 2 years ago and nearly held on to it last year . Chalk and Cheese springs to mind. The slow boring ponderous play out of defence muted the crowd effects and even the frantic frenetic attempts thereafter trying to walk the ball into the net by constant short passing resembling an under 10 match on a Sunday morning didn’t rouse the silent almost sullen spectators. And to think some of them were seated for over an hour before kick off ! It’s easy to be critical sitting on the couch but these are elite footballers we are watching and is it too much to expect a little better ? It most certainly was not a “ great advertisement for Gaelic football “ as some Poster alluded to and whilst the conditions - slippery ball , heavy pitch wind and rain would have contributed to the disappointing fare - its hard not to agree with Jack O Connors 6 out of 10 for effort. Next week will , I have no doubt see a totally different performance. The open spaces of Croke Park will suit our style of play but please Shane Ryan don’t venture too far forth - Ryan O Donoghue almost caused you an embarrassment that you would never have been allowed to forget . Don’t let the Dubs do it . And remember it wasn’t too long ago when a nett minder of ours from a kick out conceded a 45 . Is it my imagination or am I correct in believing Austin Stack Park does Kerry no favours ? Maybe I’m totally wrong but I think it’s not conducive to our style of play . Maybe it’s too tight and claustrophobic ?Still to win when not playing well is a bonus and bodes well going forward . The official dimensions for Fitzgerald Stadium is 144 m * 83 m. Austin Stacks Park is 144 m * 90 m. ASP size is nothing to do with performances - its the style of play we adopt. Incidentally Croke Park is 144 m * 86 m Pitch data courtesy of the recently published "A Place to Play" by Humphrey Kelliher
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Post by Ballyfireside on Feb 18, 2024 15:15:41 GMT
Plenty of budding musicians would cherish the opportunity to get in front of such a crowd and it would be all in the same spirit of fostering community endeavour. I can't for the life of me understand why anyone has a problem with diehards queuing early - the poor farmers (and farmeresses!) have to push themselves to make the KO and that is conditional to midwife duty - should they be entitled to reserved places as emergency workers? I have a Collie so maybe I will also qualify?
That the Derry game was the first after being 'on the dry' might have something to do with last nights apparent lack of atmosphere though as always great GAA folk in ASP and around the town - that it was near enough a full house the consensus was that Mayo didn't travel in their customary droves and this may also have been a contributory factor.
It is early days and fellas are only revving up, maybe some are comparing performances to late championship peak? We also need to bear in mind that while we have 15 of the best, each one is under surveillance and intensive care. With the intimacy of ASP you can almost see the man in possession is thinking deep, while also having to protect the ball from the hunting pack and who are also thinking, colluding - I'd be careful re criticism in that vein, they are young men in development and nobody who ever donned any GAA jersey didn't do their best. The pressure is immense, that is apart from getting the jersey in the first place - ah I know worse things will be said and we can all offend but we need to be mindful of the reality here. Does anyone regret attending? I for one had a memorable evening, albeit I am back in the Kingdom for a spell and loving the games - for all our auld moaning, we are pampered and pure spoilt!
I bumped into Ryan O’Donoghue's dad who was telling me the sprog also played soccer for Ireland and boxed - 'yerrah' great auld chat and rubbing shoulders with the famous makes the occasion, nothing beats being there for sure. Now I am wondering why I didn't queue at 5pm, maybe the gates should open at 9am and we could engage with fellow paid up members of the most intelligent species on the planet rather than talking sh1te into them robotic 'smart' phones! I also shed 2 of 4 layers of insulation in the 'cold kip of a stand' so maybe someone needs to visit their hypothermiast!
Can anyone explain why both sideline management were, well on the same side. From an instance I believe I may have witnessed I think a team should have at least 4 strategically located observers.
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Post by john4 on Feb 18, 2024 15:16:18 GMT
If one didn’t know one would take some convincing that the Kerry team we saw last night ( bar a few changes ) won Sam 2 years ago and nearly held on to it last year . Chalk and Cheese springs to mind. The slow boring ponderous play out of defence muted the crowd effects and even the frantic frenetic attempts thereafter trying to walk the ball into the net by constant short passing resembling an under 10 match on a Sunday morning didn’t rouse the silent almost sullen spectators. And to think some of them were seated for over an hour before kick off ! It’s easy to be critical sitting on the couch but these are elite footballers we are watching and is it too much to expect a little better ? It most certainly was not a “ great advertisement for Gaelic football “ as some Poster alluded to and whilst the conditions - slippery ball , heavy pitch wind and rain would have contributed to the disappointing fare - its hard not to agree with Jack O Connors 6 out of 10 for effort. Next week will , I have no doubt see a totally different performance. The open spaces of Croke Park will suit our style of play but please Shane Ryan don’t venture too far forth - Ryan O Donoghue almost caused you an embarrassment that you would never have been allowed to forget . Don’t let the Dubs do it . And remember it wasn’t too long ago when a nett minder of ours from a kick out conceded a 45 . Is it my imagination or am I correct in believing Austin Stack Park does Kerry no favours ? Maybe I’m totally wrong but I think it’s not conducive to our style of play . Maybe it’s too tight and claustrophobic ?Still to win when not playing well is a bonus and bodes well going forward . The official dimensions for Fitzgerald Stadium is 144 m * 83 m. Austin Stacks Park is 144 m * 90 m. ASP size is nothing to do with performances - its the style of play we adopt. Incidentally Croke Park is 144 m * 86 m Pitch data courtesy of the recently published "A Place to Play" by Humphrey Kelliher I think it has more to do with we only play our league matches in ASP, at a time of year when players have little or no fitness work done. They're just not able for fast football so need the slow build-up play to recover and go again. By the time they hit championship they're better able to go end to end quicker and as often as required
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Post by veteran on Feb 18, 2024 17:40:54 GMT
It was a welcome win but no more than that . The winning margin was just one point but it could have been more and would have been if we didn’t descent to playing football of the garbage variety , as we did too often , particularly in the first half .
Nowhere was this garbage more in evidence than the positioning of Sean O’Shea in the first half. Most of is went to ASP excited at the prospect of seeing Sean more or less in the same line as the Fossa freak We saw the havoc he created in there against Derry and Monaghan. I could not believe my tired old eyes as I witnessed Sean spend most of the half beyond his own midfield . A lot of my acquaintances went to that match with a decent covering of thatch on top but by half time were exhibiting patches of alopecia from tearing their hair out at what they were witnessing. Whose preposterous idea was this ? Sean’s? Management ? So , we move Sean from the forty to FF and he finishes up playing in his own half back line. Nobel prize stuff. To compound the felony his direct opponent scores two points in that half. I better move on before I attack my scalp again. The situation was rectified to some extent in the second half.
The one positive result of the Sean O’Shea scandal, at least it could have been positive, was that David was isolated against his opponent inside , against whom he was well on top. Did the lads outside raise their heads and exploit that apparent advantage with regular direct kicks in? I will answer that by saying I will be surprised if David , at the end of his career, will be as hirsute then as he is now , if you follow me.
A redeeming feature of that half and indeed all through was the resolute approach of our full back line. All had fine games. I will reference a particular incident involving Jason later on. Graham was terrific but above all I am delighted for Dylan Casey . I was losing faith in that man but he seems to have resurrected a faltering career.
I wish I could say the same about our half back line. Not for the first time Ton O’Sullivan found Ryan O’Donoghue foo hot to handle, admittedly Ryan is a handful for any defender. Similarly Tadgh Morley struggled against Fergal Boland , who is a better footballer than I realized. In Tadgh’s defence he is just back after a long layoff. Gavin White?
Some years ago a best selling novel was published called We Need Talk About Kevin. We need to talk about Gavin. We all know how good this man can be, watching him at the underage grades and for Dr. Crokes. His calling card was blistering breaks up field which blew defences open more often than not. Now for some reason his greatest asset has become his greatest weakness. I now find myself saying , when he gets the ball , please do not take off helter skelter, expecting him to lose the ball which now sadly is happening with increasing frequency . Nothing to show for these lung bursting runs but an oxygen deficit . Those runs should be the exception rather than the rule. It is legitimate to pass or, preferably , to judiciously kick . Over to you management.
Our midfield were adequate , just about . I was expecting more but Joe has had a long layoff and Diarmuid also has been out with injury . Worryingly from a midfield standpoint Barry Dan made little impact and he gave away a silly , unnecessary free for which we were punished. If the O’Connor clan do not do the business for us , whither our midfield?
Dara Moynihan was industrious and smart but his kick from a mark was abysmal. Unless it is directly in front of the posts an erratic kicker has no business calling for a mark. I like Dylan Geaney.. He is a sublime kicker but needs to be involved more often. If you could combine Dylan’s kicking with Dara’s work rate you would have an ultimate footballer.
Once more Cillian Burke continued his upward spiral. It is so refreshing to see him eschewing the baby pass in favour of taking on his man. It is hard not to be excited about this neophyte.
No need to comment on the double act from Fossa. One more comment about Sean O’Shea, his free taking is nowhere near as flawless as if once was. The hope is that this is a temporary aberration.
Early in this report I said I would reference Jason again , so authoritative last evening. I want to twin this comment with a comment on Joe O’Connor. I must emphasize that Joe is just back after a serious injury and that Jason is far more experienced. It illustrates a difference in attitude , which Joe may someday attain. With about twenty minutes to go Shane Ryan floated a beautiful kick out over friend and to the stand side. It was meant for Joe , he was in the clear , it was his ball all day long. He essayed his leap and seemed to be about to catch but inexplicably he allowed a Mayo man fo claw the ball away and a Mayo score ensued . To me it displayed a lack of aggression, a lack of the will to win attitude. Scores were like gold dust at that stage.
Contrast that incident with the one involving Jason. If happened shortly afterwards I think and it happened in front of me! The ball cams perfectly to the Mayo man . All he had to do was to pull it down . He had a yard on Jason. It was the Mayo man’s ball all day long. That’s not the way Jason saw it. He launched himself through the air, got a fist to the ball to break it forward , rounded his man to pick up the break , punted it forward and as far as I can recall a Kerry score followed. Scores were like gold dust at that stage. That was attitude . That was brio. If one could imbue that quality in Joe , well then we have a winner. I feel it will come in time.
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Post by oldschool on Feb 18, 2024 18:31:41 GMT
I agree with most of the comments so far but i'm surprised for such little praise for Jason Foley. I think he did a fine job without any fuss. Also I think Shane Ryan ,although playing extremely well, is a tad lucky not to have been turned over a few times. With heavy heart I have to ask " Is Gavin White becoming somewhat of a liability?"
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Post by edgeofthesquare on Feb 18, 2024 19:12:15 GMT
Last night Gavin White was even fumbling ball when no one was near him. His game isn’t suited to the softer ground but in previous years he was performing very well at this stage of the year. Gavin is actually a good kick passer too I’d like to see him focus on that part of his game a bit more. I wonder would a spell on the bench be the best thing for him at the moment?
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Post by The16thMan on Feb 18, 2024 19:14:11 GMT
Speaking of stands being full well before throw in, that picture was taken more than two and a half hours before the match started. Who the hell is queuing for a League game before 5 O'clock?!!!! That's insane. Why would anyone so this - to get a good spot in the stand for a league game? Personally, I think that stand is a miserable cold kip; it's the last place I'd want to be, never mind spend that long there. I'd go off my head. Got into the ground just after 7. Was pretty full alright but managed to burrow in to a decent spot under the commentary box - it's usually not quite as rammed as it seems from a distance, though the lads blocking the stairways don't help. I think it's a thing with the Mayo supporters and as a knock on effect Kerry supporters who want a seat know they've to get there early. I remember when they came down to Killarney in 2019 I think the stand, which holds double the size of the stand in ASP, was also full about 90 minutes before throw in.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Feb 18, 2024 21:00:11 GMT
Don't understand some of the criticism of Shane Ryan.
He was brilliant last night.
He is smart and very comfortable of the ball.
I remember post Diarmuid Murphy we could find a keeper.
As for slow restarts as Cluxton once said when he was critised " I can't catch it aswell"
He has to have movement to kick it out and retain it.
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