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Post by onlykerry on Nov 17, 2023 21:45:53 GMT
Cluxton getting an All Star is a joke and further reinforces my view that the All Stars are biased in the extreme to two or three games each year. He did not play enough games in my humble opinion to be even considered not to mind selected.
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Post by veteran on Nov 17, 2023 21:55:40 GMT
Bravo David. As I said after the All-Ireland , nobody came close to surpassing his body of work during the year.
Delighted for Enda Smith. A marvelous footballer. A selection like that goes some way to making these awards authentic..
Of course the real awards , the All-Ireland medals , are won on grass and not by virtue of a voting process. Let us hope that 2024 will see a reprise of 2022. That is eminently achievable with more imaginative tactics and a braver selection policy.
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Post by john4 on Nov 17, 2023 22:05:46 GMT
Well Done to David Clifford, massive honour.
As for as I know it's the GPA members vote for player of the year. Absolutely Brian Fenton had a year worthy of getting the votes, but David, as well as a class baller he's just so easy to vote for. Highly respected.
He'll win a few more.
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Post by onlykerry on Nov 17, 2023 22:31:48 GMT
Bravo David. As I said after the All-Ireland , nobody came close to surpassing his body of work during the year. Delighted for Enda Smith. A marvelous footballer. A selection like that goes some way to making these awards authentic.. Of course the real awards , the All-Ireland medals , are won on grass and not by virtue of a voting process. Let us hope that 2024 will see a reprise of 2022. That is eminently achievable with more imaginative tactics and a braver selection policy. I share your sentiments but I fear football has become so system/process driven that the wish you express in your final sentence will require a major change of heart from Jack - I respect all he has achieved but his system is ridged and unimaginative and may see us fall short when faced with the top sides again. Hopefully I's wrong and the 1984 jersey inspires this squad with the spirit of the 84-86 side.....
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Post by horsebox77 on Nov 17, 2023 23:35:59 GMT
Cluxton getting an All Star is a joke and further reinforces my view that the All Stars are biased in the extreme to two or three games each year. He did not play enough games in my humble opinion to be even considered not to mind selected. Ah media influenced tripe .. I will say one thing though, the manner on which DC carries and conducts himself is a credit to him.... a serious roke model.... hats off on the award, to do back to back at such a young age... huge achievement
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Nov 18, 2023 0:18:42 GMT
Sean O Shea will get one. think Tom will too along with the 2 cliffords Hi oh
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Nov 18, 2023 0:24:05 GMT
Tom Sullivan All Star is righting a wrong.
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Post by kerryexile on Nov 18, 2023 0:33:52 GMT
Bravo David. As I said after the All-Ireland , nobody came close to surpassing his body of work during the year. Delighted for Enda Smith. A marvelous footballer. A selection like that goes some way to making these awards authentic.. Of course the real awards , the All-Ireland medals , are won on grass and not by virtue of a voting process. Let us hope that 2024 will see a reprise of 2022. That is eminently achievable with more imaginative tactics and a braver selection policy. I share your sentiments but I fear football has become so system/process driven that the wish you express in your final sentence will require a major change of heart from Jack - I respect all he has achieved but his system is ridged and unimaginative and may see us fall short when faced with the top sides again. Hopefully I's wrong and the 1984 jersey inspires this squad with the spirit of the 84-86 side..... I was going to thank Veteran for his post and say that his last sentence is very accurate but far too diplomatic. There is no great team out there at the moment, only an ageing Dublin team who are trying to squeeze every last All-Ireland out of it. Even tonight one of them said that they brought back 4 players this year, all more or less out of retirement. He didn't say they had found four 22 year olds who made the difference. Maybe Jack will get his fifth "one in a row" next year.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Nov 18, 2023 0:46:33 GMT
Despite words to the contrary there are no soft All-Irelands.
At least Derry have been taken out of the running.
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Post by Joxer on Nov 18, 2023 7:41:00 GMT
Cluxton getting an All Star is a joke and further reinforces my view that the All Stars are biased in the extreme to two or three games each year. He did not play enough games in my humble opinion to be even considered not to mind selected. 100% agree! Absolute farce.
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Post by mike70 on Nov 18, 2023 8:21:42 GMT
Congrats to all our all stars and our 2 in a row POTY, well done all.
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Post by mack21 on Nov 18, 2023 9:30:46 GMT
I agree that the all stars sometimes throw an award to someone based on sentiment. Our own kieran Donaghy in 2014 is a case in point. 2 full championship games...(and I acknowledge the Mayo game went to extra time). The same applies to Tadgh Kennelly in 2009...it made a lovely story for the interviewers afterwards when those tasked with picking the team threw him an all star but what about the lads who played well all through the season and not just less than 2 full games and some sub time?
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Post by horsebox77 on Nov 18, 2023 9:48:53 GMT
Despite words to the contrary there are no soft All-Irelands. At least Derry have been taken out of the running. I totally agree, Derry were a serious outfit the last two years, they were actually a joy to watch and I really liked what they were about, the semi final with us was a cracking game and one of the years best. I think Harte going in there is a serious backward step .. it will stifle them.... I half felt they were a team to be watched next year .. but now, maybe not
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Post by royalkerryfan on Nov 18, 2023 10:52:14 GMT
Despite words to the contrary there are no soft All-Irelands. At least Derry have been taken out of the running. I totally agree, Derry were a serious outfit the last two years, they were actually a joy to watch and I really liked what they were about, the semi final with us was a cracking game and one of the years best. I think Harte going in there is a serious backward step .. it will stifle them.... I half felt they were a team to be watched next year .. but now, maybe not Derry have the players what they didn't have was a proven manager. I think Harte showed what he and more importantly his number 2 Devlin could do in Louth with 2 promotions and a leinster final. I don't think you'll see an ultra defensive Derry I genuinely think he could be a deciding factor. 5 all stars last night, young footballer of the year. A solid team one which we were fortunate to get over.
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Post by edgeofthesquare on Nov 18, 2023 10:54:04 GMT
If Kerry get it right then the All Ireland is ours. There’s no team out there good enough to stop us if we play to our potential this year.
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Post by hurlingman on Nov 18, 2023 20:11:10 GMT
I agree that the all stars sometimes throw an award to someone based on sentiment. Our own kieran Donaghy in 2014 is a case in point. 2 full championship games...(and I acknowledge the Mayo game went to extra time). The same applies to Tadgh Kennelly in 2009...it made a lovely story for the interviewers afterwards when those tasked with picking the team threw him an all star but what about the lads who played well all through the season and not just less than 2 full games and some sub time? Whatever about Kennelly but Donaghy had a huge impact on winning in 2014.
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Post by mossie on Nov 19, 2023 2:56:40 GMT
Feel sorry for Shane Ryan. Surprised at Seanie O'Shea getting one. Fenton most likely POTY. Shane Ryan should have got keeper Seanie wasnt in my all star selection to be honest
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Post by mossie on Nov 19, 2023 2:58:12 GMT
Tom Sullivan All Star is righting a wrong. He was absolutely an all star in 2022
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Post by veteran on Nov 23, 2023 14:13:35 GMT
The noise around David being crowned footballer of the year in successive years in the media left me confused. It was repeatedly said that he was the first player to win that accolade.
Off the top of my head I knew that assertion was incorrect. I clearly recalled Jim McCartan, Jimmy Keaveny and the incomparable Jacko being awarded footballer of the year in consecutive years. I understand that the sponsorship of this award has changed down the years but that shouldn’t alter facts.
The late Jim McKeever of Derry was the first recipient of the award. Interestingly, he like Andy Moran and David were on the defeated finalists when they received their awards . Of course , David got one last year as a winning finalist.
During my amateurish research of this topic I noticed Billy Morgan got one in 1973. Was he the only goalie to achieve that? A strange anomaly occurred in 1974 when Kevin Heffernan got the award even though he was a manager rather than a player. Weird.
Incredibly , Jacko won four awards: 1980, 1981, 1984, 1985. Therefore he won the double double. David has ground to make up! Has any hurler won more than two awards?
Finally, in all the hubbub last weekend Trevor Giles was credited with two awards: 1996 and 1999. I had it in my head that Martin O’Connell won an award . One list I saw confirmed Martin as the winner in 1996 while another list suggested that Trevor was the winner that year. I am sticking with Martin. Has anybody here any knowledge on that topic.
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Post by hurlingman on Nov 23, 2023 18:01:05 GMT
The noise around David being crowned footballer of the year in successive years in the media left me confused. It was repeatedly said that he was the first player to win that accolade. Off the top of my head I knew that assertion was incorrect. I clearly recalled Jim McCartan, Jimmy Keaveny and the incomparable Jacko being awarded footballer of the year in consecutive years. I understand that the sponsorship of this award has changed down the years but that shouldn’t alter facts. The late Jim McKeever of Derry was the first recipient of the award. Interestingly, he like Andy Moran and David were on the defeated finalists when they received their awards . Of course , David got one last year as a winning finalist. During my amateurish research of this topic I noticed Billy Morgan got one in 1973. Was he the only goalie to achieve that? A strange anomaly occurred in 1974 when Kevin Heffernan got the award even though he was a manager rather than a player. Weird. Incredibly , Jacko won four awards: 1980, 1981, 1984, 1985. Therefore he won the double double. David has ground to make up! Has any hurler won more than two awards? Finally, in all the hubbub last weekend Trevor Giles was credited with two awards: 1996 and 1999. I had it in my head that Martin O’Connell won an award . One list I saw confirmed Martin as the winner in 1996 while another list suggested that Trevor was the winner that year. I am sticking with Martin. Has anybody here any knowledge on that topic. Veteran you are correct in Jacko won poty 2 years in a row (twice).Heffernan was a strange one in 74 as it does state "player of year"and he was nt a player.While im not certain i think for a period there was two poty awards as in the texaco and the players poty (as in selected by the players)so whilw nainly both crowds picked same player maybe one picked Giles and the other O Connell.Im open to correction but i vaguely remember something like that. There was actually three awards at one point. Texaco, All-Star and GPA. While people think the Gooch never won POTY he did actually win the Texaco one in 04, Tomas also win it in 09. The GPA also had their own All-Star awards.
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Post by hurlingman on Nov 23, 2023 18:03:43 GMT
The noise around David being crowned footballer of the year in successive years in the media left me confused. It was repeatedly said that he was the first player to win that accolade. Off the top of my head I knew that assertion was incorrect. I clearly recalled Jim McCartan, Jimmy Keaveny and the incomparable Jacko being awarded footballer of the year in consecutive years. I understand that the sponsorship of this award has changed down the years but that shouldn’t alter facts. The late Jim McKeever of Derry was the first recipient of the award. Interestingly, he like Andy Moran and David were on the defeated finalists when they received their awards . Of course , David got one last year as a winning finalist. During my amateurish research of this topic I noticed Billy Morgan got one in 1973. Was he the only goalie to achieve that? A strange anomaly occurred in 1974 when Kevin Heffernan got the award even though he was a manager rather than a player. Weird. Incredibly , Jacko won four awards: 1980, 1981, 1984, 1985. Therefore he won the double double. David has ground to make up! Has any hurler won more than two awards? Finally, in all the hubbub last weekend Trevor Giles was credited with two awards: 1996 and 1999. I had it in my head that Martin O’Connell won an award . One list I saw confirmed Martin as the winner in 1996 while another list suggested that Trevor was the winner that year. I am sticking with Martin. Has anybody here any knowledge on that topic. Martin Furlong, I'm pretty sure, won it in 1982. From what I remember a Fermanagh keeper was Young POTY around 2003/04.
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Post by Aodhan on Nov 24, 2023 0:20:34 GMT
The noise around David being crowned footballer of the year in successive years in the media left me confused. It was repeatedly said that he was the first player to win that accolade. Off the top of my head I knew that assertion was incorrect. I clearly recalled Jim McCartan, Jimmy Keaveny and the incomparable Jacko being awarded footballer of the year in consecutive years. I understand that the sponsorship of this award has changed down the years but that shouldn’t alter facts. The late Jim McKeever of Derry was the first recipient of the award. Interestingly, he like Andy Moran and David were on the defeated finalists when they received their awards . Of course , David got one last year as a winning finalist. During my amateurish research of this topic I noticed Billy Morgan got one in 1973. Was he the only goalie to achieve that? A strange anomaly occurred in 1974 when Kevin Heffernan got the award even though he was a manager rather than a player. Weird. Incredibly , Jacko won four awards: 1980, 1981, 1984, 1985. Therefore he won the double double. David has ground to make up! Has any hurler won more than two awards? Finally, in all the hubbub last weekend Trevor Giles was credited with two awards: 1996 and 1999. I had it in my head that Martin O’Connell won an award . One list I saw confirmed Martin as the winner in 1996 while another list suggested that Trevor was the winner that year. I am sticking with Martin. Has anybody here any knowledge on that topic. Martin Furlong, I'm pretty sure, won it in 1982. From what I remember a Fermanagh keeper was Young POTY around 2003/04. I thought Stephen Cluxton won POTY in 2019
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Post by hurlingman on Nov 24, 2023 8:08:22 GMT
Martin Furlong, I'm pretty sure, won it in 1982. From what I remember a Fermanagh keeper was Young POTY around 2003/04. I thought Stephen Cluxton won POTY in 2019 Oh yes you're right. How could I have forgotten the biggest token award in the history of the award.
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