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Post by horsebox77 on Aug 1, 2023 19:16:07 GMT
On a more trival note, Are we due a new jersey because man I hate the current one. My favourite one of all time is the one Paul Galvin designed. Ah bribg back the dark emerald green long sleeve with white collar and cuffs... a thing of beauty
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Post by Kingdomson on Aug 1, 2023 20:17:26 GMT
We can dream and live in hope, but if the rumour that Mark O'Connor is coming home could finally be confirmed to be true it would lift the morale of an entire county hugely. My wish for Kerry 2024 right there!
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Post by orangerhyme on Aug 1, 2023 20:45:25 GMT
We can dream and live in hope, but if the rumour that Mark O'Connor is coming home could finally be confirmed to be true it would lift the morale of an entire county hugely. My wish for Kerry 2024 right there! I suspect that rumour will do the rounds every year after a loss.
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Post by Hicser on Aug 1, 2023 20:56:21 GMT
Well, if Mark is serious about it then now is the time, otherwise stop talking about it and forget it,
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 1, 2023 20:58:43 GMT
I don't believe that Mark O'Connor would be a panacea but please God prove me wrong a thousand times.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Aug 1, 2023 21:45:14 GMT
I don't believe that Mark O'Connor would be a panacea but please God prove me wrong a thousand times. Ohh I 100% think he would, Anyone who achieved what he has would drive Kerry on. Alas I cannot see this happening... Who knows maybe he saw Dublin bringing boys back in their best interest and he might do the same. But the lifestyle and the money maybe too much of a lure.
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Post by orangerhyme on Aug 1, 2023 22:07:41 GMT
Im at a disadvantage as i dont get to alot of club games anymore but ill throw in my tuppence worth.On Joe O Connor i have great hopes for him but some never come back right after the cruciate so hopefully he will.Okunbar has something i like but not sure what his best position would be.Maybe half back.I like both Dara Roche and Donal Down.Dan O Donoghue.I have nt seen enough of Rob Monaghan yet but from the little I did he is very talented no doubt but needs a little coaching as he seems to take on some outrageous shots at times.Ruari Murphy again im not fully convinced yet but have seen very little to be fair.Mike Breen has toughness.i had big hopes for Paul O shea but maybe he has regressed a little.There was an Eddie Horan from Scartaglin that was as very strong and could play anywhere backs midfield or forwards.he d be hard and well able for the dubs.William Shine is good but looks a bit erratic at times.I like the look of Evan Boyle and Cillian Burke.I think we grand for keeper and backs but need one good midfielder and a hard scoring half forward Good informative post. I remember playing underage Scartaglin were always hardy bucks and you were in for a battle. That part of Kerry produces lots of rugby players. There's something in the water there. Very rural despite being in the middle of everything.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Aug 2, 2023 7:23:00 GMT
For me the focus in 2024 needs to be midfield up.
We are solid at the back now and thd boys by enlarge did well on Sunday.
We need to get other forwards into the game and have a plan B for when DC is curtailed.
Last year Joe O Connor was coming in to replace one of our midfielders to give us extra legs there which we didn't have on Sunday.
Kerry and Dublin got their approach to season spot on this year. You'd expect others to copy that and it be a more open field next year.
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Post by john4 on Aug 2, 2023 9:05:12 GMT
With regards to whoever comes into the championship panel for next year, I think we need to make sure that as many as possible get championship game time.
We need to trust fellas who mightn't actually be burning it up in training but who might gain confidence from playing I/C championship and in turn become better players.
We have been conservative in who were trusting to play, particularly in Croke Park, and that's fine but eventually you'll end up with a subs bench of novices which is counterproductive.
More bravery in the earlier championship matches for me.
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Post by orangerhyme on Aug 2, 2023 9:12:58 GMT
With regards to whoever comes into the championship panel for next year, I think we need to make sure that as many as possible get championship game time. We need to trust fellas who mightn't actually be burning it up in training but who might gain confidence from playing I/C championship and in turn become better players. We have been conservative in who were trusting to play, particularly in Croke Park, and that's fine but eventually you'll end up with a subs bench of novices which is counterproductive. More bravery in the earlier championship matches for me. I agree but maybe the players aren't there. We've had pretty much the same team since 2019. We could do with a Donnacha Walsh type player. Great workrate but can score and create.
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Post by homerj on Aug 2, 2023 9:17:17 GMT
think we need to unearth 2 midfielders and 2 forwards to keep things fresh.
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Post by glengael on Aug 2, 2023 9:24:59 GMT
With regards to whoever comes into the championship panel for next year, I think we need to make sure that as many as possible get championship game time. We need to trust fellas who mightn't actually be burning it up in training but who might gain confidence from playing I/C championship and in turn become better players. We have been conservative in who were trusting to play, particularly in Croke Park, and that's fine but eventually you'll end up with a subs bench of novices which is counterproductive. More bravery in the earlier championship matches for me. I agree but maybe the players aren't there. We've had pretty much the same team since 2019. We could do with a Donnacha Walsh type player. Great workrate but can score and create. Yes but the point might be that you never know what any player is really made of unless they are tried out! Give them game time consistently, bring them on when the team is doing reasonably well, give them a defined role and see how they cope. Gradually acquaint them with tougher challenges. We don't seem to be doing that. Example see below substitutions v Clare in a match that was hardly red hot competitive. The first 3 on are hardly newcomers who might be good to have a look at for the future. Subs: Killian Spillane for Geaney (51), Brian Ó Beaglaioch for T O’Sullivan (51), Stephen O’Brien for Moynihan (51), Barry Dan O’Sullivan for Barry (60), Mike Breen for G O’Sullivan (60).
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Post by john4 on Aug 2, 2023 9:29:39 GMT
With regards to whoever comes into the championship panel for next year, I think we need to make sure that as many as possible get championship game time. We need to trust fellas who mightn't actually be burning it up in training but who might gain confidence from playing I/C championship and in turn become better players. We have been conservative in who were trusting to play, particularly in Croke Park, and that's fine but eventually you'll end up with a subs bench of novices which is counterproductive. More bravery in the earlier championship matches for me. I agree but maybe the players aren't there. We've had pretty much the same team since 2019. We could do with a Donnacha Walsh type player. Great workrate but can score and create. Yes but the point I think is that maybe the players are there, maybe we have guys that are good enough but they need to be exposed to championship football to find out. Remember that someone took a chance once upon a time in giving Donnacha Walsh his first championship start, We can't keep being afraid that "maybe he's not good enough" Players build confidence from playing, not training. And in fact too much training without getting exposure to matches can have a detrimental effect on a player's confidence and everything then goes into a downward spiral.
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Post by orangerhyme on Aug 2, 2023 9:34:32 GMT
I agree but maybe the players aren't there. We've had pretty much the same team since 2019. We could do with a Donnacha Walsh type player. Great workrate but can score and create. Yes but the point might be that you never know what any player is really made of unless they are tried out! Give them game time consistently, bring them on when the team is doing reasonably well, give them a defined role and see how they cope. Gradually acquaint them with tougher challenges. We don't seem to be doing that. Example see below substitutions v Clare in a match that was hardly red hot competitive. The first 3 on are hardly newcomers who might be good to have a look at for the future. Subs: Killian Spillane for Geaney (51), Brian Ó Beaglaioch for T O’Sullivan (51), Stephen O’Brien for Moynihan (51), Barry Dan O’Sullivan for Barry (60), Mike Breen for G O’Sullivan (60). I agree. Some people unexpectedly are able to step up a level no problem. Others are tipped for greatness but can't step up and are just good club players. I read an article a couple of years ago about cognitive tests done by neuroscientists on Xavi and Iniesta and their cognitive abilities were off the chart. Paul Murphy strikes me as someone who's very strong cognitively.
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Post by orangerhyme on Aug 2, 2023 9:35:16 GMT
I agree but maybe the players aren't there. We've had pretty much the same team since 2019. We could do with a Donnacha Walsh type player. Great workrate but can score and create. Yes but the point I think is that maybe the players are there, maybe we have guys that are good enough but they need to be exposed to championship football to find out. Remember that someone took a chance once upon a time in giving Donnacha Walsh his first championship start, We can't keep being afraid that "maybe he's not good enough" Players build confidence from playing, not training. And in fact too much training without getting exposure to matches can have a detrimental effect on a player's confidence and everything then goes into a downward spiral. I agree. I trust Jack's judgement though. But yes we need to find talent next year.
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Post by john4 on Aug 2, 2023 9:46:31 GMT
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Post by homerj on Aug 2, 2023 11:00:41 GMT
IMO Dylan Casey, Barry Dan, Ruairi Murphy and Donal Down should have started that match and got a right feel for what it's about, maybe learn a bit on the field, and develop. Also keeps everyone else pushing hard at training for places. i think we all agree BUT people have to earn their places too. what about if those players werent doing it in training? cant play them. we also needed to give other lads game time as wed alot of injuries.
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Post by orangerhyme on Aug 2, 2023 11:04:37 GMT
IMO Dylan Casey, Barry Dan, Ruairi Murphy and Donal Down should have started that match and got a right feel for what it's about, maybe learn a bit on the field, and develop. Also keeps everyone else pushing hard at training for places. i think we all agree BUT people have to earn their places too. what about if those players werent doing it in training? cant play them. we also needed to give other lads game time as wed alot of injuries. James O'Donaghue said recently in a podcast that he found the step up training with Kerry huge, he said he didn't get a kick off Marc O'Se but he learned in time. Peter Crowley I remember saying something similar. Maybe these players just aren't doing it in training but maybe next year they will step up. If they're not doing it in training, they won't do it in Croke Park against the Dubs.
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Post by greengold35 on Aug 2, 2023 11:06:06 GMT
We certainly need some new blood, no doubt - there ardd we a few guys knocking around the panel for a no of year’s & unfortunately are simply not good enough.
I would like to see the likes of Seán O’Brien, Mike Breen, Ruairi Murphy, Cillian Burke, Rob Monahan & William Shine being brought into the panel for 2024 & be given games in the national league.
These are guys with potential, need to see what they have got.
Of the current panel but out injured I would hope that Joe O’Connor & Stefan both get a run their respective championships to see what they are made of - there are possibly others out there, Keith Evans, Paul O’Shea are examples but we will need to see them tested in the upcoming months.
Of all of the above, O’Brien, Burke & Monahan are the 3 best I have seen.
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Post by cliffy on Aug 2, 2023 11:40:56 GMT
6 changes for league: Out Paul Murphy Morley Jack Barry Dara Moynihan Stephen O Brien Paul Geaney
Young fellas in: Heinrich Evan Looney Sean O Brien Ruairi Murphy Cillian Burke Dylan Geaney
Donaghy instead of Diarmuid Murphy in management team
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Post by cliffy on Aug 2, 2023 11:43:09 GMT
Need to be more dynamic in half back/ midfield/ half forward lines and a bit of fresh blood in full forward line to support David. Fresh voice/ voices needed to in dressing room. Blend youth with experience and a similar approach to 2022, try and win every game.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 2, 2023 11:43:27 GMT
6 changes for league: Out Paul Murphy Morley Jack Barry Dara Moynihan Stephen O Brien Paul Geaney Young fellas in: Heinrich Evan Looney Sean O Brien Ruairi Murphy Cillian Burke Dylan Geaney Donaghy instead of Diarmuid Murphy in management team The maligned Dara Moynihan is going nowhere. Morley had a great final. Wouldn't be throwing him out. Jack Barry - who are you replacing him with? Not sure will others go before January. They have given a lot.
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Post by orangerhyme on Aug 2, 2023 11:47:35 GMT
6 changes for league: Out Paul Murphy Morley Jack Barry Dara Moynihan Stephen O Brien Paul Geaney Young fellas in: Heinrich Evan Looney Sean O Brien Ruairi Murphy Cillian Burke Dylan Geaney Donaghy instead of Diarmuid Murphy in management team All 6 of those players will be there next year unless they retire. They might not all be starting but they'll definitely be in the panel. I don't see why Paul Murphy gets criticised so much. He had a very good game, Morley also. Dara Moynihan, other than one poor shot, had a good game.
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Post by seaniebo on Aug 2, 2023 11:49:26 GMT
Need to be more dynamic in half back/ midfield/ half forward lines and a bit of fresh blood in full forward line to support David. Fresh voice/ voices needed to in dressing room. Blend youth with experience and a similar approach to 2022, try and win every game. When you say "out" I presume you mean rested / benched at certain stages of the league campaign and not ousted entirely from the set up?
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Post by cliffy on Aug 2, 2023 11:51:53 GMT
Agree Morley , Moynihan, Barry etc won’t be going off panel. Just think they are 6 or 7 out of 10 players. Need to try something different/ more dynamic in those positions anyway in league even so we will have bench options come championships and some timing new. We brought nothing new this year.
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Post by horsebox77 on Aug 2, 2023 12:44:39 GMT
Ah stop, Morley was the rock on which the house was built last year...
Young Moynihan the U21 full back from Rathmore, it will be interesting to see how he fairs out in the senior club championship, he will be coming up against various types of players in at FF, I'll be watching his progress.
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Post by edgeofthesquare on Aug 2, 2023 14:43:14 GMT
A big difference between ourselves and Dublin is that Dublin have no players (outside of the full back line) who don’t carry a good attacking threat. 2 players in particular who saw action for us Sunday would even admit themselves that when it comes to ability in attack they are not up to inter county level. They are in the team for their physicality/work rate etc. and that’s fine but I think we need to be aiming for all players in the middle third to be confident on the ball and capable of hurting the opposition. It makes it more much more difficult for the opposition to commit extra bodies around David and Seanie if every player is a threat.
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Post by taggert on Aug 2, 2023 19:18:12 GMT
A big difference between ourselves and Dublin is that Dublin have no players (outside of the full back line) who don’t carry a good attacking threat. 2 players in particular who saw action for us Sunday would even admit themselves that when it comes to ability in attack they are not up to inter county level. They are in the team for their physicality/work rate etc. and that’s fine but I think we need to be aiming for all players in the middle third to be confident on the ball and capable of hurting the opposition. It makes it more much more difficult for the opposition to commit extra bodies around David and Seanie if every player is a threat. Nail on the head.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Aug 2, 2023 19:51:38 GMT
Ah stop, Morley was the rock on which the house was built last year... Young Moynihan the U21 full back from Rathmore, it will be interesting to see how he fairs out in the senior club championship, he will be coming up against various types of players in at FF, I'll be watching his progress. Morley was exceptional on Sunday keeping Con scoreless. Horse as ou resistant Dingle man is there any truth in the OConnor rumour ?
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Post by exiled on Aug 2, 2023 21:12:24 GMT
I can see Diarmuid O'Connor being a collusus next year. I don't think he will ever be that for Kerry.
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