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Post by horsebox77 on May 30, 2023 12:45:11 GMT
This is the XV, I picked a week ago, a week on, despite throwing different ideas around and read various opinions, I'm still sticking to this XV.
Ryan, O’Beagleoich, Foley, Tom Sull, Breen, Tadgh, White, Diarmuid O’Connor, Jack Barry, Adrian Spillane, Seanie, Moynihan, Paudie, DC and Geaney.
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Post by horsebox77 on May 30, 2023 19:20:05 GMT
Killian Spillane still out with an ankle injury, Brión O'Beagleoich is a doubt with a hamstring.
This reduces our options IMO.
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Post by horsebox77 on May 30, 2023 20:16:56 GMT
Roche had pins put in a wrist injury yes? Think he's gone for the year.
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Post by royalkerryfan on May 30, 2023 20:58:58 GMT
Killian Spillane still out with an ankle injury, Brión O'Beagleoich is a doubt with a hamstring. This reduces our options IMO. I'll be very disappointed if O'Beaghlaogh misses out because we are missing him. He's also running out of time to get back upto match fitness.
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Post by fullback on May 30, 2023 22:00:07 GMT
Roche had pins put in a wrist injury yes? Think he's gone for the year. Is he still on the panel? Been back playing for the club but hasn't been involved since the Tyrone game and wasn't included in the squad photos with the rest of the panel. linklink
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Post by royalkerryfan on May 30, 2023 22:13:46 GMT
Roche had pins put in a wrist injury yes? Think he's gone for the year. Is he still on the panel? Been back playing for the club but hasn't been involved since the Tyrone game and wasn't included in the squad photos with the rest of the panel. link[a href="https://www.facebook.com/glenflesk.gaa/posts/pfbid02D2genghYGtU9HAtRfEJbsX2HnYCW1ygqoVW4cwp9j6umAivJvWcbUTEYkkQowHvPl?__cft__[0]=AZWCI8b_abUgL745i0f1Rorh4Spw-YKiIVRyfk402jRi41KRjd_zGcUHCrZ-BsST0ghMuIsOeEd5UPzoHOqIPZt31H6tTrcju0iRLfMZm0cglkY8gOUE7KH7CbZimXVlCvzST_soCw4FhmqnisfGMmfrTZ98dPXIAYmRusvRmxwLYhttcDPxs0Dndlq_YxHZm-ujse5AjDHZ2HGu9miMruN7&__tn__=%2CO%2CP-R"]link [/a][/quote] You'd think with Killian injured he'd be back in on the bench.
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Post by john1974 on May 30, 2023 22:14:36 GMT
I think I read in the examiner a while back that Dara Roche was released from the panel..
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Post by royalkerryfan on May 30, 2023 22:32:08 GMT
I think I read in the examiner a while back that Dara Roche was released from the panel.. If true that's remarkable given he started every league game before he got injured.
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Post by horsebox77 on May 31, 2023 8:07:02 GMT
Both he and Donal down were the two pushing most in the league up too for us, would still have Donal Down ahead of Roche, but only just.
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Post by Joxer on May 31, 2023 8:21:38 GMT
I think I read in the examiner a while back that Dara Roche was released from the panel.. Dara has a season ending injury. Not 'released' from the panel.
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Post by Corner Back on May 31, 2023 9:32:43 GMT
Dara recently played County League game for Glenflesk.
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Post by thehermit on May 31, 2023 10:44:28 GMT
From Irish Times:
Darragh Ó Sé: Cork must show Rebel courage against perennial rivals Kerry:
When you look and see every football county is out on the June bank holiday weekend, 16 games and 32 teams, no one can accuse the GAA of not pushing Gaelic football. Most teams have something to play for, only Cork are playing for something even more.
By that, I mean pride and redemption and the chance to knock Kerry further down the line.
Go back over the last 10 or 12 years: has any county underachieved and been more disappointing in senior football than Cork?
That’s not about me having another dig, with my Kerry hat on. A lot of people have been critical of Cork football over the last few years, myself as much as anyone.
I would have watched Cork up close over those last number of years, at underage level, through my involvement with Kerry. And I have seen the depth and quality of talent that they have coming through, at minor, at under-20. And for whatever reason that talent is not being transitioned to senior level. That’s hugely disappointing for any county.
Over those same 10 or 12 years, Cork have also been largely better than Kerry at underage level, but very few of them have kicked on. From a Cork supporters’ point of view, that’s terribly frustrating.
I think John Cleary is doing his level best; it’s just their consistency has been a real problem. The reality as well is that for Kerry to be their best, Cork also need to be at their best. It’s no good Kerry breezing through Munster every summer like they did again this year.
Cork managed to beat Kerry in the 2020 Munster semi-final, thanks to a late goal in that pandemic winter. Then they lost the Munster final to Tipperary. A year later, Kerry beat Cork by 22 points. Last year the margin was 12. Of their last 10 meetings, Kerry have won nine, Cork one.
That’s why Saturday at Páirc Uí Chaoimh is such an important game for Cork. To be beaten by Clare, in their first round of the Munster championship, was a big setback. That’s no disservice to Clare, who have been very consistent under Colm Collins, and have been making huge strides, even if they didn’t show in the Munster final. When I look at Cork now, I can’t figure out their inconsistency. No one can. That’s the big anomaly here. They’ve got some of the best training facilities in the country, some of the best coaches, they have the population and players, so there’s no discernible reason they should be this poor.
I suspect, from the outside looking in, some of the losses against the so-called weaker teams have been hugely demoralising. When I started with Kerry, about 1993-1994, and we were getting poor results like that and for a young team when results start going against you it can be hard to turn that around. Like a big ship in the water, it can take some time.
Looking back to 2009, when Cork beat Kerry in Munster, and subsequently went on to win the All-Ireland in 2010, there was always a belief in that Cork team, they’d a lot of leaders, all over the field, about that time. The likes of Anthony Lynch, Graham Canty, Noel O’Leary, Nicholas Murphy, Donncha O’Connor, Daniel Goulding and Ciaran Sheehan.
Looking at Cork at the minute, you have Ian Maguire, Seán Powter and Brian Hurley — the only ones you could really consider leaders in that group.
Cork kicked some good scores against Louth last weekend and just about held on. Louth are not an easy team to play away from Páirc Uí Chaoimh. Even though it was in Navan, it was effectively a home game for Louth, so I wouldn’t knock that win.
Now they’re back at Páirc Uí Chaoimh and Kerry are not going well. I said before they were collectively flat against Mayo, in round one, bar maybe four players. If there’s any bit of fight in this Cork team, any bit of pride, after the way their season has gone they need to perform on Saturday. But the performance needs to come from the players, and the supporters need to get behind them too.
I’d say a few Cork hurlers are scratching their heads, trying to figure out why their summer is over in May. That’s something for the Cork footballers to consider too. So it’s certainly not a game Kerry will be taking for granted and there is a surprise on the cards if Cork turn up.
It’s a very similar situation for Kildare against Dublin. Like Cork, Kildare have had a lot of underage success, consistently beating Dublin, and are the reigning All-Ireland under-20 champions. At some stage, that underage success needs to be transitioned to the senior stage.
Cork and Kildare are two of the traditional football strongholds and would have been considered in the top five or six, up to maybe a decade ago. Now they’ve fallen right off, not just for a year or two, but the last 10 years or so; they need to win something big.
Kildare came close to Dublin in Leinster, and I stand by my prediction that Dublin are still favourites for the championship, followed by Galway, with Mayo third. But again, like Cork, a moral victory is no use to Glenn Ryan. To achieve anything this year, they need a big scalp, a meaningful win. They have their chance on Saturday too.
After beating Louth, Cork will go through anyway, so it’s not a decisive game in that sense. It’s something more, the chance to beat Kerry, back in Páirc Uí Chaoimh, to get themselves somewhere back up near the top. I also get the sense the Cork footballers haven’t quite owned the new Páirc yet — this is the chance to do that too.
Losing to Mayo in Killarney hurt a lot of people in Kerry, ending that unbeaten home championship record, which had gone back to 1995. Kerry will be glad of the two-week break and, because they were so poor collectively, they might well respond in the collective sense.
John Cleary will know all about that. There’s no doubt Cork are putting the effort in; they just need to find another gear that maybe they didn’t think they had. Because most county teams are doing the same amount of work.
After that, it comes down to finding something else within you.
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Post by thehermit on May 31, 2023 10:47:43 GMT
Darragh doing his annual 'where's your pride Cork?!!!'
A friend was at Navan last weekend and her opinion was that Cork did not look very impressive at all.
Then again we were so poor collectively two weeks ago any Division 2 side would probably fancy their chances, esp in their own backyard!
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Post by horsebox77 on May 31, 2023 10:52:22 GMT
At some stage the young shoots in Cork will collectively click and take us, don’t think it will be Saturday, but then again, when we were talking in Killarney I couldn’t see us losing to Mayo either…
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Post by thehermit on May 31, 2023 11:15:02 GMT
At some stage the young shoots in Cork will collectively click and take us, don’t think it will be Saturday, but then again, when we were talking in Killarney I couldn’t see us losing to Mayo either… Yes we both seemed cocksure of a 6+ win. I mean considering I know nothing about Gaelic football I can take that on the chin, as for yourself though I think the North Kerry board should be informed of the charlatan in their midst
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Post by horsebox77 on May 31, 2023 11:19:44 GMT
At some stage the young shoots in Cork will collectively click and take us, don’t think it will be Saturday, but then again, when we were talking in Killarney I couldn’t see us losing to Mayo either… Yes we both seemed cocksure of a 6+ win. I mean considering I know nothing about Gaelic football I can take that on the chin, as for yourself though I think the North Kerry board should be informed of the charlatan in their midst True, a little knowledge is very dangerous, my Boylesports account concurs 😁
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Post by royalkerryfan on May 31, 2023 11:22:29 GMT
Yes we both seemed cocksure of a 6+ win. I mean considering I know nothing about Gaelic football I can take that on the chin, as for yourself though I think the North Kerry board should be informed of the charlatan in their midst True, a little knowledge is very dangerous, my Boylesports account concurs 😁 Well both myself a very nice fella who joined the train in Mallow also thought we'd win by 6.
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Post by john1974 on May 31, 2023 12:28:15 GMT
That’s what I read anyway.. When Dara Roche got injured he was released from the panel.. Maybe they got it wrong.. Begley has an hamstring issue and is doubtful.. If so a big loss.. Killian still out with an ankle injury..
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on May 31, 2023 12:49:47 GMT
I think its very telling that in reality we are shuffling the same old deck as last year in wondering who will play the next day. A deck minus one of our trump cards now David Moran has retired. I think teams have figured out our defensive system and how to negate it. Added to that SOS at centre forward is struggling as well when he is forced to track a pacey player leaving our centre wide open at times.
Either we have to show teams something new in regards to a defensive system or plan or win the middle 3rd to release some pressure on the defense and slow the ball up. The problem is we cant afford to push up and teams and go with the high intensity press as our midfield cant be trusted to come out on top in an ariel duel. Conversely when we give up the kickout and retreat we cant slow up the ball and runners are getting in on goal.
The half forward line and midfield hold the key to most of our issues
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Post by royalkerryfan on May 31, 2023 13:43:42 GMT
I think its very telling that in reality we are shuffling the same old deck as last year in wondering who will play the next day. A deck minus one of our trump cards now David Moran has retired. I think teams have figured out our defensive system and how to negate it. Added to that SOS at centre forward is struggling as well when he is forced to track a pacey player leaving our centre wide open at times. Either we have to show teams something new in regards to a defensive system or plan or win the middle 3rd to release some pressure on the defense and slow the ball up. The problem is we cant afford to push up and teams and go with the high intensity press as our midfield cant be trusted to come out on top in an ariel duel. Conversely when we give up the kickout and retreat we cant slow up the ball and runners are getting in on goal. The half forward line and midfield hold the key to most of our issues Excellent post, Pretty much sums it up..
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Post by kerryblueboy on May 31, 2023 15:23:41 GMT
Cork barely survived in div 2 and the dubs showed what Louth really are we need to be beating cork easily on Saturday to show we are serious contenders I’m curious about paddy tally’s involvement this year as our defence has looked very dodgy all year
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on May 31, 2023 15:45:05 GMT
Cork barely survived in div 2 and the dubs showed what Louth really are we need to be beating cork easily on Saturday to show we are serious contenders I’m curious about paddy tally’s involvement this year as our defence has looked very dodgy all year He is involved alright. Same role as last year. Maybe teams have adapted to our system but, you would hope that he has brought something else to the table in terms of tactics or defensive structure from last year.
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Post by piskin on May 31, 2023 22:34:27 GMT
If Jack wants the intensity back in the team he needs to change players out for saturday at least, sticking with the same team is not enough. Jacks reputation is at stake this year as he has failed to do back to back AL wins. We have the footballers to do it but it's the mentality that is in question, how does Jack rectify that?
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Post by royalkerryfan on May 31, 2023 23:38:57 GMT
A non game related post,
Traveling down hopefully by train on Sat with my daughter for her first game.
Can you recommend anywhere for food after the game before we jump on the train back to the North East ?
She's only 5 so pizza for example is fine.. any tips for a solo dad would be great!
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Post by horsebox77 on Jun 1, 2023 7:19:25 GMT
When I had "little" ones, I used to always go to Scoozie's. IT's in the City Centre, really child friendly.
Still go there if ever above shopping etc..
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jun 1, 2023 8:05:42 GMT
When I had "little" ones, I used to always go to Scoozie's. IT's in the City Centre, really child friendly. Still go there if ever above shopping etc.. Thanks Horse, Any word on the severity of OBeaghlaoichs injury ?
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Post by greengold35 on Jun 1, 2023 9:12:52 GMT
When I had "little" ones, I used to always go to Scoozie's. IT's in the City Centre, really child friendly. Still go there if ever above shopping etc.. Would recommend Scoozies too - also Luigi Malones opposite the opera house, great pizzas etc or Amicus opposite the entrance to Paul St Shopping centre.
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Post by greengold35 on Jun 1, 2023 9:17:33 GMT
Cork barely survived in div 2 and the dubs showed what Louth really are we need to be beating cork easily on Saturday to show we are serious contenders I’m curious about paddy tally’s involvement this year as our defence has looked very dodgy all year He is involved alright. Same role as last year. Maybe teams have adapted to our system but, you would hope that he has brought something else to the table in terms of tactics or defensive structure from last year. Tally did the warm up & drills before Mayo game - very hands on. Rumours from the camp are that Paul Murphy, Ruairi Murphy & Adrian Spillane will all start on Sat with Casey, Jack Barry & Dara Moynihan dropping to the bench - also expect a few new faces on the bench. O’Beaglaoich not considered following his hamstring tweak but not believed to be serious.
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Post by jackiel on Jun 1, 2023 9:29:54 GMT
A non game related post, Traveling down hopefully by train on Sat with my daughter for her first game. Can you recommend anywhere for food after the game before we jump on the train back to the North East ? She's only 5 so pizza for example is fine.. any tips for a solo dad would be great! I just love this, I have great memories of match days with my father but I was a lot more than 5 before I got to go. Hope she has a great day.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jun 1, 2023 9:30:30 GMT
When I had "little" ones, I used to always go to Scoozie's. IT's in the City Centre, really child friendly. Still go there if ever above shopping etc.. Would recommend Scoozies too - also Luigi Malones opposite the opera house, great pizzas etc or Amicus opposite the entrance to Paul St Shopping centre. Thanks lad much appreciated
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