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Post by ciarrai74 on Feb 25, 2023 20:09:12 GMT
Dreadful game but managed to dig out the victory. When are match officials gonna start protecting the likes of David Clifford[others too i could name] from such antics on/ff the ball. Refs and other officials basically turn a blind eye to it. David Clifford puts bums on seats for the GAA yet gets no protection.
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Post by The16thMan on Feb 25, 2023 20:09:16 GMT
Who got MOTM from RTE can anybody tell me?. At the ground it looked like Stefan Okunbor was our standout performer but maybe it was different.
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Post by blacksheep21 on Feb 25, 2023 20:20:46 GMT
Dreadful game but managed to dig out the victory. When are match officials gonna start protecting the likes of David Clifford[others too i could name] from such antics on/ff the ball. Refs and other officials basically turn a blind eye to it. David Clifford puts bums on seats for the GAA yet gets no protection. Very weak refereeing at times but no doubt some will say it is part of the game and Kerry are at the same stuff.
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Post by piskin on Feb 25, 2023 20:24:35 GMT
Okunbar did well. Graham o Sullivan is a class player. Barry Dan has what it takes I think. Players today were playing for pride after last weeks performance. Regarding the stupid ugly tactics on D Clifford I think it is way beyond time that a second ref needs to be brought in to cut out that crap. I can't blame referee's in this "modern" game because it is near impossible but I do fault them for players takilng too many steps which is evident to everybody. The game is turning into a variation of rugby & aussie rules.
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Post by backothehill on Feb 25, 2023 20:25:18 GMT
Well that was a battle lads. Great to get the win. Stefan Okunbar was the talk of the lads around me. What a fine game he had. He has the physique and athleticism to have s real chance of making a push for a place on the team. No one can say David Clifford gets treated with kid gloves by the officials. How he keeps his cool beats me.
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Post by oldschool on Feb 25, 2023 20:38:21 GMT
Dreadful game but managed to dig out the victory. When are match officials gonna start protecting the likes of David Clifford[others too i could name] from such antics on/ff the ball. Refs and other officials basically turn a blind eye to it. David Clifford puts bums on seats for the GAA yet gets no protection. Very weak refereeing at times but no doubt some will say it is part of the game and Kerry are at the same stuff. Agree Ciarraí74. Disgraceful tackling and follow up aggression toward Kerry players I thought the Kerry players showed great discipline and restraint. Anyway credit for digging out the win and show of character
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Post by greengold35 on Feb 25, 2023 20:48:30 GMT
Well that was a battle lads. Great to get the win. Stefan Okunbar was the talk of the lads around me. What a fine game he had. He has the physique and athleticism to have s real chance of making a push for a place on the team. No one can say David Clifford gets treated with kid gloves by the officials. How he keeps his cool beats me. I was highly impressed with Stefan - huge physical presence but also has great pace - think he has a lot to offer. As regards DC, I like you, don’t know how he keeps his cool in the face of intense intimidation- officials just keep ignoring it.
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Post by onlykerry on Feb 25, 2023 20:55:41 GMT
Horrible game to witness - Armagh were afraid of losing and played a very negative brand of football which we were ineffective at breaking down. Resembled an u 12 game at times with all the outfield players chasing the ball into small areas of the pitch. Paul Murphy was on his own in open space several times in an attacking position but we continued to play short passes allowing Armagh drift across the pitch in numbers. No forward mark attempted by either side. The few times we upped the pace we tended to get a result. Best that can be said is we came out on he right side of a forgettable game and have two valuable points.
Donaghy was on the sideline in front of me and he was shouting at the Armagh defenders, gesticulating at them to get a fistful of the Kerry attackers jerseys - if this is the brand of football he is involved in coaching I hope he does return tp Kerry coaching anytime soon.
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Post by southward on Feb 25, 2023 20:56:07 GMT
Christ, that was a long night. Great crowd but the game was flat as a pancake.
Positives: the 2 points
Highlights: Tony B's point on a night when nobody else seemed to want to have a go. That's about it.
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Post by piskin on Feb 25, 2023 21:04:12 GMT
Donaghy may still in the future be involved with Kerry. He has lots to learn though tactical wise. Armagh could have gotten a draw if they concentrated on playing football but again McGeeny & Donaghy fail to close out a game they have a chance in.
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Post by oldschool on Feb 25, 2023 21:06:19 GMT
Horrible game to witness - Armagh were afraid of losing and played a very negative brand of football which we were ineffective at breaking down. Resembled an u 12 game at times with all the outfield players chasing the ball into small areas of the pitch. Paul Murphy was on his own in open space several times in an attacking position but we continued to play short passes allowing Armagh drift across the pitch in numbers. No forward mark attempted by either side. The few times we upped the pace we tended to get a result. Best that can be said is we came out on he right side of a forgettable game and have two valuable points. Donaghy was on the sideline in front of me and he was shouting at the Armagh defenders, gesticulating at them to get a fistful of the Kerry attackers jerseys - if this is the brand of football he is involved in coaching I hope he does return tp Kerry coaching anytime soon. The TV commentators and match analyists afraid or unwilling to call this out. we saw the treatment meted out to Colm Cooper Umpires and linesmen just do not want to see. Its horrible
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Post by southward on Feb 25, 2023 21:13:28 GMT
Kerry GAA would want to have a look at stewarding arrangements going forward. Gangs of kids inside the hoarding during the game. Seemed to be getting entangled with the play at one point near the end (match ball got swiped too). Someone could have got hurt there. Hordes on the pitch at HT as well, even made off with the spare balls while Kerry subs were kicking around.
A few parents could be having a chat with themselves and all.
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Post by backothehill on Feb 25, 2023 21:20:24 GMT
Kerry GAA would want to have a look at stewarding arrangements going forward. Gangs of kids inside the hoarding during the game. Seemed to be getting entangled with the play at one point near the end (match ball got swiped too). Someone could have got hurt there. Hordes on the pitch at HT as well, even made off with the spare balls while Kerry subs were kicking around. A few parents could be having a chat with themselves and all. I thought it was ridiculous the carry on inside the field at half time. What if someone dropped someone the field and a player opened himself when falling on it when play resumed?
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Post by maryo on Feb 25, 2023 21:40:37 GMT
Why do players continue to foul long after free has been given and refs do nothing. Poor refereeing today and very negative play from Armagh.
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Post by greengold35 on Feb 25, 2023 21:54:31 GMT
Horrible game to witness - Armagh were afraid of losing and played a very negative brand of football which we were ineffective at breaking down. Resembled an u 12 game at times with all the outfield players chasing the ball into small areas of the pitch. Paul Murphy was on his own in open space several times in an attacking position but we continued to play short passes allowing Armagh drift across the pitch in numbers. No forward mark attempted by either side. The few times we upped the pace we tended to get a result. Best that can be said is we came out on he right side of a forgettable game and have two valuable points. Donaghy was on the sideline in front of me and he was shouting at the Armagh defenders, gesticulating at them to get a fistful of the Kerry attackers jerseys - if this is the brand of football he is involved in coaching I hope he does return tp Kerry coaching anytime soon. I was disappointed with the lack of a game plan to break the line - we needed somebody like Stefan or Tom Sull with their pace to go down the middle - Tom kept spraying the ball left & right but never tried playing it forward & taking the return - awful from Armagh in truth.
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Post by john4 on Feb 25, 2023 22:27:30 GMT
Horrible game to witness - Armagh were afraid of losing and played a very negative brand of football which we were ineffective at breaking down. Resembled an u 12 game at times with all the outfield players chasing the ball into small areas of the pitch. Paul Murphy was on his own in open space several times in an attacking position but we continued to play short passes allowing Armagh drift across the pitch in numbers. No forward mark attempted by either side. The few times we upped the pace we tended to get a result. Best that can be said is we came out on he right side of a forgettable game and have two valuable points. Donaghy was on the sideline in front of me and he was shouting at the Armagh defenders, gesticulating at them to get a fistful of the Kerry attackers jerseys - if this is the brand of football he is involved in coaching I hope he does return tp Kerry coaching anytime soon. I was disappointed with the lack of a game plan to break the line - we needed somebody like Stefan or Tom Sull with their pace to go down the middle - Tom kept spraying the ball left & right but never tried playing it forward & taking the return - awful from Armagh in truth. Armagh had 14 inside their 45 for every Kerry attack, and that's totally understandable from their point of view. Not only had they the numbers back but they were very well structured in defending the scoring zone. It was weariness that caught them in the end with clumsy tackling. I think they don't have enough scoring forwards to play an open game successfully so they have to find another way.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Feb 25, 2023 22:35:26 GMT
Naturally delighted that Kerry won but specifically the reaction of the players who played poorly last week. Moynihan,Brosnan,OSullivan all played much better.
Thought both Clifford's and Seanie played below their usual standards.
Stefan Okunbor answered my previous concerns with a brilliant performance and was close to MOTM.
On a side note Dublin had a narrow win against Clare and Mayo dished out another trimming.
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Post by greengold35 on Feb 25, 2023 22:37:00 GMT
I was disappointed with the lack of a game plan to break the line - we needed somebody like Stefan or Tom Sull with their pace to go down the middle - Tom kept spraying the ball left & right but never tried playing it forward & taking the return - awful from Armagh in truth. Armagh had 14 inside their 45 for every Kerry attack, and that's totally understandable from their point of view. Not only had they the numbers back but they were very well structured in defending the scoring zone. It was weariness that caught them in the end with clumsy tackling. I think they don't have enough scoring forwards to play an open game successfully so they have to find another way. Armagh are just too negative- maybe they don’t have the forwards but having Rian O’Neill behind the ball is senseless.
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Post by john4 on Feb 25, 2023 22:46:25 GMT
Armagh had 14 inside their 45 for every Kerry attack, and that's totally understandable from their point of view. Not only had they the numbers back but they were very well structured in defending the scoring zone. It was weariness that caught them in the end with clumsy tackling. I think they don't have enough scoring forwards to play an open game successfully so they have to find another way. Armagh are just too negative- maybe they don’t have the forwards but having Rian O’Neill behind the ball is senseless. Seems illogical for sure to have such a talent involved in defence but that's their philosophy. In their defence they had a 13 man attack so they were attacking in numbers but we're met by 13 Kerry defenders! Only one solution to save inter-county football as a spectacle imo, and that's 13 a side!
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Post by taggert on Feb 25, 2023 23:22:39 GMT
Why do players continue to foul long after free has been given and refs do nothing. Poor refereeing today and very negative play from Armagh. This was the key thing for me tonight. All teams are as cynical as the next in the general scheme of things but from start to finish, the post foul antics of Armagh was hopelessly managed by the ref. All teams foul and we are no angels in that regard ourselves. Tonight however, the ref allowed hits, belts and *housery by Armagh to continue ling AFTER the whistle was blown for an infraction. It was weak refereeing which was opportunistically seized upon by Armagh at regular intervals. I can only recall one occasion when the ball was brought forward and no occasion when the 2nd and 3rd foul was penalised with a card. At least 10 occurrences during the game.
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Post by thehermit on Feb 26, 2023 0:19:59 GMT
Well I'm a long time going to Austin Stacks and I've never had to stand on the grassy knoll before given the crowds. And I was through the turnstile by quarter to to boot!
A poor fair but we ground it out and sure that's what Feb football usually entails.
In truth we were subpar and it's a rare thing to see a Kerry team substandard two games in a row.
Stefan is some beast though, flattened Rian O'Neill at one stage, no easy task!
It's only when you see Rafferty's tactics in the flesh you realise the kamakazi nature of it. He was not nearly as bad last year in the Athletic Grounds.
One wonders in the long run where Armagh are going with this mass mass defense strategy. Surely it was found out a decade ago.
Both teams should be safe anyway so doubt they'll care either way about tonight.
Ref was fairly bad, very harsh on Kerry yet also gave a couple of bad decisions against the Orchard which rightly agitated a massive a vocal travelling support.
Was talking to a few after they circled in the trip to Tralee as their big get away for the League. Bars around town hopping but alas I'm too knackered to last the pace.
Must be getting grey ☹️
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Post by rollingstone on Feb 26, 2023 1:05:04 GMT
Kerry GAA would want to have a look at stewarding arrangements going forward. Gangs of kids inside the hoarding during the game. Seemed to be getting entangled with the play at one point near the end (match ball got swiped too). Someone could have got hurt there. Hordes on the pitch at HT as well, even made off with the spare balls while Kerry subs were kicking around. A few parents could be having a chat with themselves and all. SH don’t be so bloody miserable - it was delightful to see all the kids around and involved. We were all in Armagh last year with kids allowed on at half time and same again in Mayo last week
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Post by kerrysouth on Feb 26, 2023 1:20:26 GMT
Jack will be pleased with this win tonight where the objective prior to the commencement of the league was to retain div 1 status and this is now almost achieved .Again the negativity on this forum during the week and the posters who completely wrote off certain players might have to take a hard look at themselves in the mirror and trust in the judgement of fellow south kerry man Jack O Connor as some of those players came up with big moments tonight.I do however agree that we are only ambling along and we really need to up the performance levels as we get closer to championship as anything near current form won’t see us retain Sam unfortunately.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Feb 26, 2023 9:51:00 GMT
BTW the travelling party were class, as good a visiting contingent as I ever came cross and I was subsequently enlightened of a good history between us that I wasn't aware of. I have always found the Orchards admirable of Kerry, typical for Ulster teams in general if you went behind enemy lines, though I am not so sure they admire each other as much, I suppose it's that all the frenemy relationship conundrum?
Was it me or was there an amazing number of children, so families travelled south? One man told me that Limerick was the nearest hotel they could get.
Another enquired of what reception KD might get and was duly and universally told that any negativity would have the backside of the mouth duly sore, and so say all of us.
A few pinters jokingly queried of various tactics of acquiring local bloodlines, mentioning a few topping the list - ah jazus you'd swear we was at Goffs! Later in the conversation one of 'em asked about the night clubs, only for his pal to chip in that 'they won't be breeding off you anyway', to fits of laughter all around including Sandler Wells himself!
I suppose that's GAA for you, a great night was surely had by all and they were delighted with the reception though I don't know if anyone got delighted in the bedfellow department.
On the field, Okunbor's stock certainly rose and he must be a ticking time bomb down the road to our opponents, vital artillery to close out the D and more, much more - he floats all around the shop, a strapping lad, still growing?
If Jack was trying to blood lads then in shading it by the absolute minimum, 'he measured precisely as he doth proclaim' as I'd say. In fairness I was reliably enough informed up north that things were going well in Armagh but I just didn't take it aboard and what was served up was only within the bounds of what you'd expect. It all augers well for a game we love and we'll leave the pillow talk in blanket street at that, suffice as to say KD's tactics was surely the elephant in the room, hopefully not the bedroom!
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Post by southward on Feb 26, 2023 9:52:20 GMT
Kerry GAA would want to have a look at stewarding arrangements going forward. Gangs of kids inside the hoarding during the game. Seemed to be getting entangled with the play at one point near the end (match ball got swiped too). Someone could have got hurt there. Hordes on the pitch at HT as well, even made off with the spare balls while Kerry subs were kicking around. A few parents could be having a chat with themselves and all. SH don’t be so bloody miserable - it was delightful to see all the kids around and involved. We were all in Armagh last year with kids allowed on at half time and same again in Mayo last week That's fine until some kid gets hurt by a couple of 13 stone men tussling over the endline. Or maybe someone gets a rush of blood and interferes with play. People inside the perimeter during a game is not ok in this day and age. It was happening at both ends last night.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Feb 26, 2023 10:29:54 GMT
Kerry GAA would want to have a look at stewarding arrangements going forward. Gangs of kids inside the hoarding during the game. Seemed to be getting entangled with the play at one point near the end (match ball got swiped too). Someone could have got hurt there. Hordes on the pitch at HT as well, even made off with the spare balls while Kerry subs were kicking around. A few parents could be having a chat with themselves and all. SH don’t be so bloody miserable - it was delightful to see all the kids around and involved. We were all in Armagh last year with kids allowed on at half time and same again in Mayo last week There's a difference between kids coming onto the field at half time and entering the field when the game is still being played. That shouldn't be happening.
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Post by rollingstone on Feb 26, 2023 10:37:08 GMT
SH don’t be so bloody miserable - it was delightful to see all the kids around and involved. We were all in Armagh last year with kids allowed on at half time and same again in Mayo last week There's a difference between kids coming onto the field at half time and entering the field when the game is still being played. That shouldn't be happening. Fair point
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Post by kingdomkerry on Feb 26, 2023 13:31:23 GMT
This defending with 14/15 players in the 45 has really ruins the game as a spectacle. I thought Kerry could have done better. They did use width and switched the play but sometimes too lethargic and slow.
Still good to get the win and plenty of positives. We will need further improvement to get 2 points up in Omagh.
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Post by Jo90 on Feb 26, 2023 16:04:02 GMT
SH don’t be so bloody miserable - it was delightful to see all the kids around and involved. We were all in Armagh last year with kids allowed on at half time and same again in Mayo last week There's a difference between kids coming onto the field at half time and entering the field when the game is still being played. That shouldn't be happening. Yeah, if one of the 9 year olds that were near the goalline at the end, got a full force wallop of an O'Neills football in the gob from Rian O'Neil, they'd be seeing stars, and I'm not talking about Sean O'Shea and David Clifford.
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Post by john4 on Feb 26, 2023 16:13:45 GMT
Kerry v Mayo League final a possibility!
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