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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Feb 18, 2023 22:46:01 GMT
Kerry were poor tonight. Sloppy and careless more than anything. Midfield is a concern. That said I thought Barry Sullivan did well until he ran out of steam.
As others have said we were very lightweight around the middle. Morley would be the biggest of the half backs and forwards which isn't a great place to be.
Felt sorry for the 2 new lads in the full forward line. Where as they should be allowed feel their way into the game the more senior players in the forwards were floundering as well and turned over possession numerous times.
Lot of decisions to be made.
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Post by misteallaigh abú on Feb 18, 2023 22:55:17 GMT
Mayo were excellent against Armagh and steam rolled a very good team for most of the game, away from home. Tonight, Mayo were excellent for much of the first half and coasted in the second half. They moved the ball well, pressed our kick outs and beat us up around the middle third. They were aggressive and hungry. We weren’t. Kerry will have another day or two like this during the league, I’m sure. There is no way that they can have had the work done that Mayo have had. They looked clumsy and leaden footed, lethargic in possession and slow to react in defence. Mayo were thoroughly deserving winners tonight, we got what we deserved. Dara Moynihan and Barry Dan worked tirelessly this evening, we might have even unearthed another string to our playbook with the move of Barry to full forward, he showed very deft hands on a few occasions.
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Post by mike70 on Feb 18, 2023 22:58:35 GMT
I believe Flynn went to MF with ruane, they dominated, to be fair the runners from their back line was also killing us too.
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Post by blacksheep21 on Feb 18, 2023 23:20:03 GMT
To be 11 points down at half time against a Mayo team who played well for about 20 minutes tells you everything. The skill levels were atrocious in that first half and as the half went on, we lost our shape and structure completely. It is a bit unfair to single individual guys out given the complete collapse all over the pitch. Jack could have made a dozen subs at half time.
I don’t see it with Barry Dan yet, works hard but seems limited. At least we got showed some bit of fight on the second half but Mayo were coasting and it simply is not good enough. David as expected got some nice scores but the reliance we have on him is ridiculous.
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Post by mayofan1 on Feb 19, 2023 0:22:39 GMT
Good win for us. Wouldn’t be getting carried away. I actually don’t think we played that well overall. 2nd half was awful. We capitalised enough to win the game on bizarre Kerry mistakes. Jordan Flynn, Enda Hession were excellent. Can’t remember how many times Kerry kicked the ball directly to a mayo player. It’s two points and nothing more. Another win will secure our division 1 status. It’s all about Galway in championship now….
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Post by MeathExile on Feb 19, 2023 1:20:40 GMT
It was plain for everyone to see that the starting half forward line were not going to cut it in this match- not big / physical enough against the one team who relish a physical battle. I think the selectors have a blind spot for some of the lads who started today in the forwards - have been tried many times and not up to it, even though they give it their all, which is all they can do and all that can be asked of them. There are others available in the subs and extended panel who can bring more of what was needed for this type of game.
Key men for me this year (apart from the returning regulars from last year) are Stefan and Mike Breen. I think both will have a big say in our destiny this year and both are up to the midfield task.
Barry Dan surprisingly good at full forward..... another Donaghy 2006 moment hopefully.
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Post by homerj on Feb 19, 2023 3:22:29 GMT
Literally just in the door from long trip home.
Is their any explanation as to how Kerry were so late on to the pitch? Warm up seemed rushed and behind schedule and maybe had a baring on the terrible start
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Post by mike70 on Feb 19, 2023 8:54:50 GMT
Good win for us. Wouldn’t be getting carried away. I actually don’t think we played that well overall. 2nd half was awful. We capitalised enough to win the game on bizarre Kerry mistakes. Jordan Flynn, Enda Hession were excellent. Can’t remember how many times Kerry kicked the ball directly to a mayo player. It’s two points and nothing more. Another win will secure our division 1 status. It’s all about Galway in championship now…. Agree with you, I thought Mayo should have kicked a few more scores for all the possession in our half, your forward line needs to be more clinical, but it was a powerful running game out of defence last night, deserved victory.
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Post by pillar on Feb 19, 2023 9:13:14 GMT
Reality is this is not a team full of great players..we have the two Clifford's, Seanie and Tom Sullivan who walk into any team in the country..we are contenders but not shoe ins ...there are players in the panel with 5/6 years who are not pushing for the team hard enough.
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Post by clarinman on Feb 19, 2023 9:28:40 GMT
Literally just in the door from long trip home. Is their any explanation as to how Kerry were so late on to the pitch? Warm up seemed rushed and behind schedule and maybe had a baring on the terrible start The Kerry team bus arrived at the stadium just before 6 o clock and they did a warm up on the Mitchell's pitch next door. We have no excuses there. Kerry looked very leggy to me last night and played with no intensity from the off. It took us an age to get our kickouts away and get the ball over the half way line and we were then faced with a wall of 15 mayo players. We saw none of the usual bursts forward from the likes of Tom Sull and Graham. There was no pressure on mayo bringing the ball out of their defence. I wonder if Kerry had done a hard fortnight of physical training. Almost 16 thousand was an incredible crowd for a league game. That was 3k more than the mayo game against their neighbours Galway 3 weeks ago. The David Clifford effect in bringing young supporters to games is amazing and it was great to see all the kids ignore the idiotic announcements to stay off the pitch at the end of the game. Wonderful scenes.
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Post by greengold35 on Feb 19, 2023 9:58:13 GMT
Literally just in the door from long trip home. Is their any explanation as to how Kerry were so late on to the pitch? Warm up seemed rushed and behind schedule and maybe had a baring on the terrible start The Kerry team bus arrived at the stadium just before 6 o clock and they did a warm up on the Mitchell's pitch next door. We have no excuses there. Kerry looked very leggy to me last night and played with no intensity from the off. It took us an age to get our kickouts away and get the ball over the half way line and we were then faced with a wall of 15 mayo players. We saw none of the usual bursts forward from the likes of Tom Sull and Graham. There was no pressure on mayo bringing the ball out of their defence. I wonder if Kerry had done a hard fortnight of physical training. Almost 16 thousand was an incredible crowd for a league game. That was 3k more than the mayo game against their neighbours Galway 3 weeks ago. The David Clifford effect in bringing young supporters to games is amazing and it was great to see all the kids ignore the idiotic announcements to stay off the pitch at the end of the game. Wonderful scenes. That's a key point for me - thats down to desire and work rate and largely due to the personnel involved - other than Paudie Clifford and Dara Moynihan don't see any of the other starting forwards playing championship this year.
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Post by percentageplay on Feb 19, 2023 9:59:50 GMT
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Post by Premier on Feb 19, 2023 10:06:48 GMT
I think what some people are forgetting is that Kerry have had no time to do any running due to holiday and everything else. This was a block for 2 weeks where you were going to get your chance to do that conditioning work. This work has to be done, you can’t be thinking short term for the whole league and be lagging behind physically when it really matters. It’s a week turn around to the next game so they would have known this was their own chance to get a good bit of work done.
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Post by gamechanger10 on Feb 19, 2023 11:19:02 GMT
I expected a right good game last evening but I felt we would do well to get a point out of it, what transpired was very disappointing and the amount of poor passing on display was difficult to swallow. Our very sluggish transition allowed Mayo to setup in a well drilled defensive structure who gobbled up our feeble and naive attempts to penetrate it with uncharacteristic sloppy high ball that favoured the defenders and we walked into the molasses of of their structure over and over again.
All that said I feel that if the end store and endeavour was reversed and in our favour we would have learned little from this encounter. As MacGearailt said on commentary we got a timely kick in the arse and I believe it will be easy for jack and the management team to express what I can only imagine will be rather barbed assessment with some uncomfortable home truths for some individuals and for the team in general considering the silverware as they currently hold. As Tyson said “everyone’s got a plan until they get a punch on the nose” and we certainly got that from a well drilled and hungry Mayo team but it’s mid February and it’s a reality check not a season ender so I hope this game will give us the reset and focus we will need to defend out title. Cíarraí Abú
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Post by mike70 on Feb 19, 2023 11:20:06 GMT
I think what some people are forgetting is that Kerry have had no time to do any running due to holiday and everything else. This was a block for 2 weeks where you were going to get your chance to do that conditioning work. This work has to be done, you can’t be thinking short term for the whole league and be lagging behind physically when it really matters. It’s a week turn around to the next game so they would have known this was their own chance to get a good bit of work done. I would not subscribe to that tale of woo, we are after 3 league games and heading for March, we got the easy ride in the first 2 games, we should be coming together at this stage, I think it’s just down to the team on the field, we needed the experiment without DC and I think it’s confirmed all our concerns, without him, we are back with the pack.
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Post by onlykerry on Feb 19, 2023 12:09:44 GMT
Defence begins far up the field and our forwards did not do enough defensively - add in a midfield that is lacking pace (leading to poor tracking) and you have a very exposed defence. Mayo won well but kicked some poor wides under little pressure - this may well be their achilles heel when the intensity comes with teams peaking in the championship. Management will have to decide how important D1 status is and how important it is to keep giving fringe players an opportunity for the next few games. They may well strike a balance in this regard. We know we can fix the forwards with the big guns but we are also eager to "find" one or two good prospects, midfield is a bigger problem and I fear we will need to keep experimenting in this department.
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Post by piggott on Feb 19, 2023 12:19:13 GMT
The gap between the league and the championship is so short now they have to do the heavy training, and it leaves players lacking energy and sharpness. This would have been done in April and May heretofore. McStay from what I read did his blocks of training earlier, he has targeted the league.
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Post by percentageplay on Feb 19, 2023 12:48:05 GMT
I think what some people are forgetting is that Kerry have had no time to do any running due to holiday and everything else. This was a block for 2 weeks where you were going to get your chance to do that conditioning work. This work has to be done, you can’t be thinking short term for the whole league and be lagging behind physically when it really matters. It’s a week turn around to the next game so they would have known this was their own chance to get a good bit of work done. I would not subscribe to that tale of woo, we are after 3 league games and heading for March, we got the easy ride in the first 2 games, we should be coming together at this stage, I think it’s just down to the team on the field, we needed the experiment without DC and I think it’s confirmed all our concerns, without him, we are back with the pack. I think that some blame also has to be placed at the feet of the management and coaching team. I said after the Donegal team that there was no real evidence of a structured attack and that was even more evident last night. Additional to this there are real question marks over midfield and players wanting the ball, no one wants to see at situation where Tony is the one having to making himself available for kickouts in the Kerry half (and winning them). The defence creaked last night which I think was down to the main stays in the team not preforming there usually standard, this looked to me to be a fitness issue as they looked a bit "leggy".
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Post by royalkerryfan on Feb 19, 2023 13:01:58 GMT
Lads football might be constantly evolving but one thing never changes.
You win nothing without a midfield and until we solve that then we are in bother.
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Post by Kingdomson on Feb 19, 2023 13:11:35 GMT
Kerry’s 2022 All Ireland was years in the making with the brilliant Sean O’Shea and miracle worker David Clifford dragging us to the summit. However, on the whole there is no great mystique or fear factor around this Kerry team, and if we’re not tuned in or shorn of our two great shining stars from the start then we are a very beatable team clearly.
Shane Ryan can’t come back into goal fast enough for me, and I do hope whatever malaise Mike Breen has - we see him back soon along with a few of our other defensive stalwarts. I’m a huge fan of Tadhg Morley the ultimate pro, but I wonder if 2022 was Tadhg’s peak year in a Kerry shirt? Kerry will need proven options for centre back to cover should the need arise and not just names on paper.
Moreover, Kerry have a huge amount of work to do and our defence since winning the All Ireland resembles more Tyrone 2022 than peak Dublin in their pomp. We rightly enjoyed last years win but I hope fellas aren’t sated with just one title. Fellas can say they are hungry for more but same as it ever was - actions will speak louder than words.
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Post by horsebox77 on Feb 19, 2023 13:12:04 GMT
I don’t think the win or the loss really bothers me at this stage of the year, but more the actual display. We currently are without a plethora of establish players of all star quality, any team will malfunction and struggle minus this stabilising factor.
What troubles me is we need to strengthen our squad and no player of note is putting their hand up and saying look at me, I can fill this roll, my time has come.
What is alarming is I could name five or six players, that have been fringe over the last three or four years that come championship will not be starters or capable of turning or maintaining the standard required.
Should these be culled?
Looking at the starting XV that took the field vs Galway in Croker, can we say hand on beard that any new player has fought their way into the starting XV, I can’t….
What is the one point we need to address.
Armagh now becomes a must must win , or w could find ourselves fighting fighting for survival……
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Post by thehermit on Feb 19, 2023 13:31:38 GMT
Well Terrace Talk should be an interesting listen tomorrow night 😬
We were woeful but I have to say some people on here talking about us being a one or two horse team are ridiculous.
Ryan, White, Foley, Morely, Paudie, Geaney etc etc don't dare tell me lads like that are "average"
Still, last night was not acceptable. I posted after the Cork McGrath Cup match that it's not good enough for a Kerry team to be so poor whatever the circumstances, I referenced the high standards the Dublin team of the last decade always displayed regardless of the competition/time of year.
A few people were telling me I was being OTT well last night was as bad.
Jack if you want your two in a row hoodoo to end this week is when you'll earn your gravy.
Better be a sellout in Tralee next Saturday massive,massive match for us now, let's here the f#cking Kerry roar
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Post by kerryexile5 on Feb 19, 2023 17:25:49 GMT
McCaffrey is some player for the Dubs.
They will go close this year
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Feb 19, 2023 17:28:27 GMT
McCaffrey is some player for the Dubs. They will go close this year Very poor performance from Dublin, Cork could have had 4 or 5 goals. Hurley who’d a great game missed a very easy one near the end too.
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Post by oldschool on Feb 19, 2023 18:56:39 GMT
The Rossies did nicely today against Armagh and deserved their win. I'd be very disappointed if we don't beat Ros. and Armagh I was in Hyde Park and believe me both teams looked just a little above average. Watch out for The Dubs this year
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Post by oldschool on Feb 19, 2023 18:58:15 GMT
Just watching Galway and Tyrone. Poor fare
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Post by Kingdomson on Feb 19, 2023 19:20:48 GMT
Not sure Kevin Walsh is a good influence in the Cork backroom if f they repeat what they did this afternoon and bring their entire team back for the Dublin kickout and not even contest it?
It was a huge error because Cork have the size and ball winners to have pushed up on Dublin and at least challenged. In addition, Cork again repeated their old failing of missing far too many chances in this game. A win would have done a lot for their confidence but same old story for now even if the potential looks there.
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Post by exiled on Feb 19, 2023 19:35:29 GMT
Is Paddy Tally still with Kerry?. If not then his contribution last year cannot be under estimated.
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Post by thehermit on Feb 19, 2023 19:36:40 GMT
That's what makes last night even more disappointing the teams out there in D1 are no great shakes.
It's probably good for us that the Rossies are winning away and staying top of the League but ordinarily we should be putting the likes of Donegal, Armagh, Tyrone etc to the sword.
Big few weeks now for Kerry, we need to send the Orchard men packing next Saturday and maybe go up to Tyrone and put in a good performance and get a result.
If we win our two remaining home games we should be safe enough.
Looks like Donegal will go down and hard to see Monaghan getting another win!
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Post by homerj on Feb 19, 2023 22:42:12 GMT
It really is incredible to see how quickly some Kerry supporters turning their backs on a team so quickly.
Nothing has happened so far that wasn't expected. Be patient and get behind the team when they now need it the most. Ffs.
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