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Post by kerrysouth on Nov 25, 2022 9:20:59 GMT
Ha ha kerrybhoy 06 and I bet if you had your way players would still be togging out under a bush at the side of the road .
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Post by homerj on Nov 25, 2022 10:26:12 GMT
I think the stadium is grand the way it is. no toilet facilities. no lights. gravel behind 1 goals. stand is out of date. its in need of alot of work, its way behind limerick, cork etc. i wouldnt be spending €72million on it though. wonder what that entails? a complete knock and rebuild or just those 4 points above and leave the terrace is it is?
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Post by onlykerry on Nov 25, 2022 10:47:24 GMT
The IRB (the rugby one not the Fenian one) made it explicitly clear after the vote for the 2023 rugby WC that they have no interest in hosting their competition in such a small country as Ireland. They don't even want to host it in NZ again because of the same issue so you can forget rugby ever being in Killarney. Fitzgerald is not so bad as some are making out, yeah it could do with an upgrade but it's a damn finer ground than 80% of the others I've seen on my travels up and done the country. A bit of refurbishing is all it needs not a total money pit rebuild. But it needs to be done up as it’s in with a chance of hosting the nba finals, miss world & the Winter Olympics Careful now kerrybhoy - you may be speaking "tongue in cheek" but somebody may take offence and your posts will be deleted - just ask veteran
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Post by Ballyfireside on Nov 25, 2022 10:50:20 GMT
If Killarney town council wants a municipal events centre then let them build it. The Kerry county board can lease it if it ever needs a stadium of that size Understandably much of the comment on here is of the GAA die-hard and which is a way may explain why my initial economic analysis was shunned, though it wasn't long after that it became core to much debate, and not all to do with the Dubs. Anyway the polar opposite is chasing the BIG Bucks, i.e. Globalisation. Listowel had a bypass part imposed on it, i.e. no way could the benefit to the locality justify €70m and which could have been spent better in a hundred other different ways. The key benefit is the traffic route into SK, from Shannon and Dublin and where it makes sense, for SK though. A grand stadium in Killarney would have it compete with Dublin and Cork for major non-GAA events and so should be funded accordingly. Of course non-GAA sports will pay for it's use but who will get the ticket money for concerts, etc? I think it is a great idea all 'round provided it is done properly - you need to 'sweat the assets' to maximise the return; as it is such facilities aren't used 1% of the time so there is big potential here and what with the no of beds in the area, though that is now a volatile issue that prevails indefinitely, no matter how you look at it. The real price is that smaller towns get less and so further regional imbalance, maybe more local imbalance in this instance with say SK people gravitating to Killarney. 50% of the global population are now urban dwellers and that is increasing rapidly, bearing in mind that a +1% for urban is a -1% for rural, hence the demise of rural GAA clubs and who are really fighting a long and losing battle. Hey, look at the bright side - how many sleeps to watching Kerry, 60 odd I make it to welcoming Sam to Donegal!
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Post by orangerhyme on Nov 25, 2022 11:48:56 GMT
I agree with most people. I'd prefer the money spent on grassroots though.
But a new stand with a museum, gift shop, corporate boxes, conference facilities would be awesome. Maybe not all of this is necessary.
The stand could be made steeper and a bit longer on either end, so could easily be 10,000.
The terraces are fine except for the toilets. Also access could be improved but since St Finians is closed,this might be easier than expected.
I'm not sure about how many concerts could be held there.
The scoreboard end could do with some work. Maybe have it for disabled, elderly, kids, family etc.
Does anyone know why the stand roof doesn't cover all the seats?
I'm sure the dressing rooms could do with an upgrade since these things are constantly evolving.
Maybe 30 to 40 million is more realistic.
Does anyone have a ballpark figure on a 10,000 seater stand? With some corporate boxes and function rooms below
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Post by orangerhyme on Nov 25, 2022 12:01:25 GMT
Tallaght Stadium is building a 2000 seater stand for €11.5 million.
So with economies of scale, maybe we're looking at €30-35 million for a 10,000 seater stand. Then another €10 million for other upgrades.
I'm not sure where the money will come from. Dalymount Park is a much better proposal and they're struggling to raise money.
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Post by Joxer on Nov 25, 2022 12:02:24 GMT
The IRB (the rugby one not the Fenian one) made it explicitly clear after the vote for the 2023 rugby WC that they have no interest in hosting their competition in such a small country as Ireland. They don't even want to host it in NZ again because of the same issue so you can forget rugby ever being in Killarney. Fitzgerald is not so bad as some are making out, yeah it could do with an upgrade but it's a damn finer ground than 80% of the others I've seen on my travels up and done the country. A bit of refurbishing is all it needs not a total money pit rebuild. 100% agree. €73M refurb would be an incredible waste of money.
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Nov 25, 2022 12:07:39 GMT
Absolute lunacy propose spending that money on a stadium upgrade. Granted the toilet facilities, flood lights, one terrace and the stand all need addressing. You can do much with the terrace as I don't think you would get planning to raise it up or even convert it to an uncovered stand. So maybe just proper design to it.
If they are going to build a new stand they can extend it out to the perimeter of the entrance, and as someone said put the proposed museum in there. And give it a nice facade, or welcoming look. Could copy the design of the single tier north stand in the pairc. Cant see how it would cost 72 million. No matter how they couch it the clubs and their members will end up shouldering the cost.
Killarney is well served for a venue by the INEC. Concerts etc will only benifit the publicans and hotels. How many concerts would have to be held there to payback what we need to borrow to build it? By the time we have the loan paid back it will need another upgrade.
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Post by kerrysouth on Nov 25, 2022 12:23:57 GMT
Tiny Louth Gaa are building a new stadium and have managed to secure funding of 15 million euros from a payment for passport government scheme .Peter Fitzpatrick former Louth Manager and TD is claiming credit for it .Maybe our politicians should get the finger out and explore the possibility of securing similar funding from this scheme which would be a Brillant start to to project.Again from the outset I have agreed with all the posters that any re development should NOT impact financially on Kerry teams and clubs but at the same time all options to secure funding should be fully secured before making a final deceision on the scale of the project
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Post by orangerhyme on Nov 25, 2022 12:32:12 GMT
I measured the north stand in PUC and it would easily fit into area of the stand in Fitzgerald Stadium.
The north stand in PUC seats 8000. That would be awesome and is at least justifiable. Done well and it could last us decades.
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Post by orangerhyme on Nov 25, 2022 12:49:49 GMT
This doesn't really apply to Kerry but I think sporting bodies should be better at sharing stadiums.
For example Cork, Limerick and Galway have numerous stadia for Rugby, soccer and GAA. Wouldn't they be better off pooling their resources and just have one or two modern stadia. They're only used a few hours a week at most if even that. Does Galway really need 3 stadia and they've Tuam also.
Louth GAA are building a new stadium but Dundalk FC need one also, so why not just share
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Post by horsebox77 on Nov 25, 2022 13:16:07 GMT
The Lewis road side and terrace is in good condition, the only issue in my opinion is at the rear of the goals at the daltons avenue side. The presence of housing at the rear will hinder any sizeable structure, however the installation of bucket seating at this avenue should be explored.
The stand has a few major flaws, firstly no specific seating to ticket space, a line divide painted on the row is inadequate, this would be eradicated by the installing of seating which should be mandatory, second is the first ten rows will get wet regardless of the direction of the rain and finally the pillars are an embarrassment if a paying patron is lodged behind one.
The bathroom facilities are prehistoric and I envisage would hardly pass health and safety standards. In particular the terracing facilities.
I still don’t think the costings quoted are justifiable, a facelift behind the goals and bathroom upgrade shouldn’t break the bank, admittedly the stand is a huge structure, but if the same foundations can be availed of and only a roof restructure and seat install, it would not come near the mad coasting quoted.
I have often quoted that I’d love to see a section of the ground renamed, I would love Ito see the Dalton's Avenue terrace behind the goals seated and renamed the Weeshie Fogerty Open Stand.
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Post by orangerhyme on Nov 25, 2022 14:03:55 GMT
What is the main reason for Kerry playing league games in Austin Stack Park?
Is it a "spread the wealth" type argument? So that Tralee gets the economic benefit.
Would we be better off selling it and putting the money in to Fitzgerald Stadium?
The stand in Fitzgerald Stadium is nearly 50 years old, so it's completely justifiable to replace it completely.
Like was said before, just copy the plans for North Stand PUC
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Nov 25, 2022 15:09:05 GMT
Ha ha kerrybhoy 06 and I bet if you had your way players would still be togging out under a bush at the side of the road . Yeah cos that’s the only alternative
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Post by greengold35 on Nov 25, 2022 15:37:19 GMT
What is the main reason for Kerry playing league games in Austin Stack Park? Is it a "spread the wealth" type argument? So that Tralee gets the economic benefit. Would we be better off selling it and putting the money in to Fitzgerald Stadium? The stand in Fitzgerald Stadium is nearly 50 years old, so it's completely justifiable to replace it completely. Like was said before, just copy the plans for North Stand PUC Playing league games in ASP is the payback for the businesses who put their money into the recent redevelopment of the grounds - to my knowledge Tralee was guaranteed 2 home games with preference for Sat night games under lights - when the GAA came calling , people were not found wanting.
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Post by blacksheep21 on Nov 25, 2022 17:51:54 GMT
The atmosphere for league games in ASP also tends to be top class and more often than not better than Killarney.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Nov 25, 2022 19:19:38 GMT
What is the main reason for Kerry playing league games in Austin Stack Park? Is it a "spread the wealth" type argument? So that Tralee gets the economic benefit. Would we be better off selling it and putting the money in to Fitzgerald Stadium? The stand in Fitzgerald Stadium is nearly 50 years old, so it's completely justifiable to replace it completely. Like was said before, just copy the plans for North Stand PUC No way.ASP is a nice stadium and has its own history with county finals etc.The Government are giving some money to the refurbishment of Fitzgerald stadium so its not as bad as it sounds.If it is to be used for events other than Gaa surely local businesses should be asked to make donations too.I would agree with a few posters that the figure seems crazy but toilets in stand and terrace do need upgrade.I don't mind the stand persais.Even in croke park many of the seating is uncovered in the stands and open to the elements.I would like the stadium upgraded though and used again for munster hurling clashes like the late 80s as a neutral venue.Fitzgerald stadium is iconic and while I would like to see improvements done I don't want it to the detriment of ASP. If Fitzgerald stadium hosts more than 5 neutral hurling games in the next 15 years then I will give everyone on here €100. These “other” events are not coming to Killarney. This is not an attack on you but on the idea in general. No other sports will be played in Fitzgeralds stadium- rugby or soccer will definitely not as there are better options in cork & Limerick. Same the same for hurling & add thurles to that.
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Post by mossie on Nov 25, 2022 19:41:37 GMT
No way.ASP is a nice stadium and has its own history with county finals etc.The Government are giving some money to the refurbishment of Fitzgerald stadium so its not as bad as it sounds.If it is to be used for events other than Gaa surely local businesses should be asked to make donations too.I would agree with a few posters that the figure seems crazy but toilets in stand and terrace do need upgrade.I don't mind the stand persais.Even in croke park many of the seating is uncovered in the stands and open to the elements.I would like the stadium upgraded though and used again for munster hurling clashes like the late 80s as a neutral venue.Fitzgerald stadium is iconic and while I would like to see improvements done I don't want it to the detriment of ASP. If Fitzgerald stadium hosts more than 5 neutral hurling games in the next 15 years then I will give everyone on here €100. These “other” events are not coming to Killarney. This is not an attack on you but on the idea in general. No other sports will be played in Fitzgeralds stadium- rugby or soccer will definitely not as there are better options in cork & Limerick. Same the same for hurling & add thurles to that. you will not have to pay out that money! Killarney has had 3 big neutral hurling clashes in 40 years The 1986 and 1987 Munster Hurling finals and a big qualifier match between Cork and Tipp about 15 years ago, all very well attended Cork, Limerick and Tipp all have home and away agreements even for Munster finals, makes no sense geographically to bring Clare or Waterford to Killarney when Thurles and Limerick are far more central venues If Fitz stadium was done up, there could be a case made for a once off Munster hurling final to be played to mark the launch of the new stadium, it is the only way I could see Killarney getting a big hurling match again
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Nov 25, 2022 19:45:22 GMT
If Fitzgerald stadium hosts more than 5 neutral hurling games in the next 15 years then I will give everyone on here €100. These “other” events are not coming to Killarney. This is not an attack on you but on the idea in general. No other sports will be played in Fitzgeralds stadium- rugby or soccer will definitely not as there are better options in cork & Limerick. Same the same for hurling & add thurles to that. you will not have to pay out that money! Killarney has had 3 big neutral hurling clashes in 40 years The 1986 and 1987 Munster Hurling finals and a big qualifier match between Cork and Tipp about 15 years ago, all very well attended Cork, Limerick and Tipp all have home and away agreements even for Munster finals, makes no sense geographically to bring Clare or Waterford to Killarney when Thurles and Limerick are far more central venues If Fitz stadium was done up, there could be a case made for a once off Munster hurling final to be played to mark the launch of the new stadium, it is the only way I could see Killarney getting a big hurling match again It’s not much of a business case. If the lottery are willing to give us €20 mill then build 6 of those indoor facilities that they have in Connaught and out the other 2 million into games development officers. That would help to raise the standard of every club & player in the county- which should always be our priority
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Post by southward on Nov 25, 2022 20:07:11 GMT
What is the main reason for Kerry playing league games in Austin Stack Park? Is it a "spread the wealth" type argument? So that Tralee gets the economic benefit. Would we be better off selling it and putting the money in to Fitzgerald Stadium?The stand in Fitzgerald Stadium is nearly 50 years old, so it's completely justifiable to replace it completely. Like was said before, just copy the plans for North Stand PUC Heretic of the Month award. Wash your mouth.
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Post by kerrysouth on Nov 25, 2022 20:18:20 GMT
Kerrybh06 now wants to build 6 domes in Kerry the ideas are getting more Walter Mitty by the minute god help the poor 6 clubs who are tasked with maintaining these domes as the maintenance and running costs would take the clubs under in a short few years .Killarney is the perfect concert venue the only thing holding the town back is the dilapidated stadium you have accommodation train and bus station close to the stadium for easy access the train station in cork is in glanmire is a few miles from pairc ui chaoimh and the bus station is further again totally unsuitable for concert goers . Rumour has it that each Ed sheeran concert was worth 300000 euros to cork Gaa ..2 or 3 of these concerts a year could easily finance the annual costs coupled with a home game or 2 in the new round robin qualifiers but as I stressed earlier the scale of the project is totally dependant on government support .here’s hoping I am alive to drive up from from the Iveragh peninsula to attend one of these concerts in years to come
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Post by blacksheep21 on Nov 25, 2022 20:25:59 GMT
Yeah, Cork did such a great job with their stadium that they were unable to host a championship match this year.
The idea that this is ok if government money funds it does not sit well with me. A bad idea is a bad idea no matter who funds it.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Nov 25, 2022 21:53:08 GMT
Kerrybh06 now wants to build 6 domes in Kerry the ideas are getting more Walter Mitty by the minute god help the poor 6 clubs who are tasked with maintaining these domes as the maintenance and running costs would take the clubs under in a short few years .Killarney is the perfect concert venue the only thing holding the town back is the dilapidated stadium you have accommodation train and bus station close to the stadium for easy access the train station in cork is in glanmire is a few miles from pairc ui chaoimh and the bus station is further again totally unsuitable for concert goers . Rumour has it that each Ed sheeran concert was worth 300000 euros to cork Gaa ..2 or 3 of these concerts a year could easily finance the annual costs coupled with a home game or 2 in the new round robin qualifiers but as I stressed earlier the scale of the project is totally dependant on government support .here’s hoping I am alive to drive up from from the Iveragh peninsula to attend one of these concerts in years to come Walter Mitty? Haha ffs this is ridiculous. If Killarney vintners/town council want a larger events centre then go and build it. Kerry GAA should focus on, well, Kerry GAA. Pipe dreams about concerts, rugby World Cup games, soccer games are just nonsense that people will use to get a few €€ thrown their way. Fitzgerald stadium hosts 1 big championship game every 2 years and at the moment that doesn’t sell out. There’s no business case for this and the idea that we would pump 72 mill or even a fraction of that into it smacks of idiocy and vanity. Using the argument that training facilities would bring clubs under yet suggesting that the county board pump money into a white elephant project has just exploded my irony-o-meter. The fact that people are looking longingly at the laughing stock that cork have become over their Leeside folly and thinking that we should outdo them only baffles me even more. I’ll only say this once more and I’ll leave it after that- any money coming into Kerry should be used for player development and improving facilities. Our county boards first priority is games promotion, event management is not part of the remit
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Nov 25, 2022 21:55:09 GMT
Yeah, Cork did such a great job with their stadium that they were unable to host a championship match this year. The idea that this is ok if government money funds it does not sit well with me. A bad idea is a bad idea no matter who funds it. This is another bugbear of mine- the fact that people just seem ambivalent to the fact that the governments money is your money. Micheal Martin isnt sitting at home with a private vault of 30 billion, it’s tax payers money ffs and if there’s no economic case for it then it shouldn’t go ahead
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Post by kerrysouth on Nov 25, 2022 22:32:57 GMT
Kerryboy06 irony irony hypocrisy don’t make me laugh no problem accepting government money to build 6 white elephant domes that would truly drain Kerry Gaa resources but yes attack away no reasonable debate with you and yes I will leave it at that
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Post by orangerhyme on Nov 25, 2022 23:52:35 GMT
What is the main reason for Kerry playing league games in Austin Stack Park? Is it a "spread the wealth" type argument? So that Tralee gets the economic benefit. Would we be better off selling it and putting the money in to Fitzgerald Stadium?The stand in Fitzgerald Stadium is nearly 50 years old, so it's completely justifiable to replace it completely. Like was said before, just copy the plans for North Stand PUC Heretic of the Month award. Wash your mouth. Is it that bad an idea? Don't most counties just have one main stadium for intercounty games?
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Post by Ballyfireside on Nov 25, 2022 23:59:43 GMT
Heretic of the Month award. Wash your mouth. Is it that bad an idea? Don't most counties just have one main stadium for intercounty games? No they don't - Donegal has 3 and all host Championship games, Derry 3, Monaghan 2? ....
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Post by orangerhyme on Nov 26, 2022 1:12:31 GMT
Is it that bad an idea? Don't most counties just have one main stadium for intercounty games? No they don't - Donegal has 3 and all host Championship games, Derry 3, Monaghan 2? .... Donegal play almost all their games in Ballyboofey
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Post by orangerhyme on Nov 26, 2022 1:53:30 GMT
To be fair Austin Stack Park is so historic, it's worth holding on to, even though it was to be sold before the crash.
If Kerry played their league games in Fitzgerald stadium, it would justify the cost of renovation or a new main stand.
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Post by blacksheep21 on Nov 26, 2022 3:13:01 GMT
If Fitzgerald stadium hosts more than 5 neutral hurling games in the next 15 years then I will give everyone on here €100. These “other” events are not coming to Killarney. This is not an attack on you but on the idea in general. No other sports will be played in Fitzgeralds stadium- rugby or soccer will definitely not as there are better options in cork & Limerick. Same the same for hurling & add thurles to that. You are probably right Kerrybhoy but I still think Fitzgerald stadium should get a face-lift and the government will help with funds and Killarney business I would think. It won't cost KCB as much as you think. Its our county stadium and let's be proud of it. A refurbishment will not affect Kerry players one iota. Kerry will always look after their players 100% so to think otherwise is not correct. The cost number has come from KCB not Kerrybhoy. There is no magic money tree. This is about choice. If you spend money on one thing, you cannot spend it on something else. KerrY may look after their players but what about the impact on coaching and other facilities throughout the county. Something has to give. Everyone agrees pretty much that it could do with a bit of sprucing up but the 72m quoted is about something else. As Kerrybhoy has said, the kcb should focus on Kerry gaa and not about improving the lot of the Killarney hospitality sector
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