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Post by Mickmack on Oct 5, 2022 18:51:25 GMT
The Meath debacle is something I raised with a couple of the players a few years later - independently they each said the same thing - overtraining. Both recounted doing endless laps of Fitzgerald Stadium with very little football being played - one said he had little or no energy the day of the game - maybe, maybe not. The Meath game was unreal. Twice in my lifetime I saw Kerry destroyed by 15pts.1990 v Cork and Meath O1. O1 was worse as we were defending All Ireland champions. I was in upper Dávin and remained seated there for a bit after game finished in total shock and tbh embarrassment. I know that sounds unfair but one can't help their feelings. There were all sort of rumours going around and the rumour mill always goes into overdrive after a loss. One rumour was the captaincy caused unrest.Moynihan was Captain but when Eoin Brosnan made team he became captain. Word was the Crokes demanded he be captain but there might be no truth to that either. Brosnan was captain though. While I was more disappointed in 82 and 2011 it was a bad memory for sure. I actually watched the game again last night on YouTube for first time since that day. Moynihan was actually fantastic that day but alas most of the backs struggled. We were well beaten midfield although Darragh battled bravely. Our forwards were poor bar maybe Mike Frank and McGearailt in first. Even when Maurice entered the fray while he tried hard his freetaking was off that day. Our half back line was in shreds. Tomas was suspended and Mike Hassett replace him. Both Hassett and Tom Sullivan (the other wing back) both were replaced due to injuries in first half and to add insult to injury Fitzmaurice was sent off near the end. Noel Kennelly ended up half back. It was a day to forget but the irony of the game was Meath went downhill big time afterwards while Kerry went on to great things. Not one of my good memories. 21 years ago now and looking back one could nearly point to that game as the first year that Kerry were totally confounded and utterly unable to deal with a team that sat back, invited Kerry onto them, turned us over and hit us on the break. Many have tried and succeeded with that tactic in the intervening period notably Armagh in 2002, Tyrone on a few occasions, Dublin in 2011 and Tyrone again in 2021. Its why 2022 is so satisfying. For the first time in many years Kerry looked the team with the superior tactical nous above everyone else. |
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Oct 6, 2022 7:46:50 GMT
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Post by hurlingman on Oct 6, 2022 7:46:50 GMT
The Meath debacle is something I raised with a couple of the players a few years later - independently they each said the same thing - overtraining. Both recounted doing endless laps of Fitzgerald Stadium with very little football being played - one said he had little or no energy the day of the game - maybe, maybe not. The Meath game was unreal. Twice in my lifetime I saw Kerry destroyed by 15pts.1990 v Cork and Meath O1. O1 was worse as we were defending All Ireland champions. I was in upper Dávin and remained seated there for a bit after game finished in total shock and tbh embarrassment. I know that sounds unfair but one can't help their feelings. There were all sort of rumours going around and the rumour mill always goes into overdrive after a loss. One rumour was the captaincy caused unrest.Moynihan was Captain but when Eoin Brosnan made team he became captain. Word was the Crokes demanded he be captain but there might be no truth to that either. Brosnan was captain though. While I was more disappointed in 82 and 2011 it was a bad memory for sure. I actually watched the game again last night on YouTube for first time since that day. Moynihan was actually fantastic that day but alas most of the backs struggled. We were well beaten midfield although Darragh battled bravely. Our forwards were poor bar maybe Mike Frank and McGearailt in first. Even when Maurice entered the fray while he tried hard his freetaking was off that day. Our half back line was in shreds. Tomas was suspended and Mike Hassett replace him. Both Hassett and Tom Sullivan (the other wing back) both were replaced due to injuries in first half and to add insult to injury Fitzmaurice was sent off near the end. Noel Kennelly ended up half back. It was a day to forget but the irony of the game was Meath went downhill big time afterwards while Kerry went on to great things. Not one of my good memories. I'm not sure where I seen it recently but it was Mike Hassetts last game for Kerry. But what actually surprised me most was he was only 27. Could have had a few more years in him, but he would have been travelling from Wicklow so might have become too much for him. Was Liam playing with a Dublin club that season as well? It was also Maurice Fitzs last game. What a bad way to end. It was really the start of Kerry rethinking how they played. Lads like Noel Kennely and McGearailt struggled to keep in the team despite being only in their mid 20s. |
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Post by thehermit on Oct 6, 2022 11:13:47 GMT
A great consolation about that dark, dark day was that Meath profited from it ever since. Trounced in the final and an irrelevance in the 21 years that have followed. Their only "success" in this whole era was probably the most tainted provincial title ever won! The 2009 semi-final might have been a dour, drab game but that night I celebrated our cold Greek dish with relish  |
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Oct 6, 2022 21:10:28 GMT
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Post by Mickmack on Oct 6, 2022 21:10:28 GMT
Meath should have offered Louth a replay in 2010.
They would have benefited many time over.
Screw ups and farce befall the GAA from time to time and the county that makes the magnanimous gesture reaps the benefit.
I believe Kerry did so on 2022 for the Tyrone Covid thing and the Cork PUC thing.
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Post by Mickmack on Oct 6, 2022 21:41:36 GMT
Meath should have offered Louth a replay in 2010. They would have benefited many time over. Screw ups and farce befall the GAA from time to time and the county that makes the magnanimous gesture reaps the benefit. I believe Kerry did so on 2022 for the Tyrone Covid thing and the Cork PUC thing. I agree 100%.I believe in sporting behaviour. The first time I remember it happening was a leinster championship match around 94 or 95 and Laois were awarded a point to beat Carlow by a point.It was a few feet wide and Laois offered Carlow a replay. In 1999 I was disappointed with Kerry as Tipp wanted a replay after a Ger Murphy was awarded a goal after putting ball through side netting. Tipp were managed ironically by Laois man Colm Browne. Kerry would nt grant Tipps request. In Kerry s defense we won by 6 points i think but the "goal" was a turning point. I thought we should have given Tipp another shot. However we def made up for it v Tyrone and eventhough we lost i genuinely feel we did the honourable thing and again this year with Cork. I remember a neutral man saying to me after that Tipp match...."have Kerry no shame". The covid training fiasco by Dublin back fired bigtime...they havent been able to buy a free since. |
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Oct 6, 2022 23:31:31 GMT
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Post by thehermit on Oct 6, 2022 23:31:31 GMT
I agree 100%.I believe in sporting behaviour. The first time I remember it happening was a leinster championship match around 94 or 95 and Laois were awarded a point to beat Carlow by a point.It was a few feet wide and Laois offered Carlow a replay. In 1999 I was disappointed with Kerry as Tipp wanted a replay after a Ger Murphy was awarded a goal after putting ball through side netting. Tipp were managed ironically by Laois man Colm Browne. Kerry would nt grant Tipps request. In Kerry s defense we won by 6 points i think but the "goal" was a turning point. I thought we should have given Tipp another shot. However we def made up for it v Tyrone and eventhough we lost i genuinely feel we did the honourable thing and again this year with Cork. I remember a neutral man saying to me after that Tipp match...."have Kerry no shame". The covid training fiasco by Dublin back fired bigtime...they havent been able to buy a free since. They bought enough Mick, 8 Sams I believe 😜 |
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Oct 7, 2022 7:23:24 GMT
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Post by hurlingman on Oct 7, 2022 7:23:24 GMT
Meath should have offered Louth a replay in 2010. They would have benefited many time over. Screw ups and farce befall the GAA from time to time and the county that makes the magnanimous gesture reaps the benefit. I believe Kerry did so on 2022 for the Tyrone Covid thing and the Cork PUC thing. From what I remember Meath wanted a replay but either their CB or the Leinster Council wouldn't allow it. One thing about it thst sort of annoyed me about the whole thing is how Louth milked it for so long after. They played the following season and Meath won well. But Louth tended to make out everyone was out to get them. |
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Oct 7, 2022 8:00:08 GMT
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Post by horsebox77 on Oct 7, 2022 8:00:08 GMT
Meath should have offered Louth a replay in 2010. They would have benefited many time over. Screw ups and farce befall the GAA from time to time and the county that makes the magnanimous gesture reaps the benefit. I believe Kerry did so on 2022 for the Tyrone Covid thing and the Cork PUC thing. I agree 100%.I believe in sporting behaviour. The first time I remember it happening was a leinster championship match around 94 or 95 and Laois were awarded a point to beat Carlow by a point.It was a few feet wide and Laois offered Carlow a replay. In 1999 I was disappointed with Kerry as Tipp wanted a replay after a Ger Murphy was awarded a goal after putting ball through side netting. Tipp were managed ironically by Laois man Colm Browne. Kerry would nt grant Tipps request. In Kerry s defense we won by 6 points i think but the "goal" was a turning point. I thought we should have given Tipp another shot. However we def made up for it v Tyrone and eventhough we lost i genuinely feel we did the honourable thing and again this year with Cork. Sorry, but I disagree, its swings and roundabout, it is like all of lifes decusions, they balance over time. Should Meath have offered the replay, or Kerry to Tipp after Gerry Murphy, No... because where does one draw the line... could * about the steps taken before the Dublin goals in 2011 and 2019 or the late tackle on Declan in 2011... no suck it up and drive on.... we have had similar 'luck' in 2009.. TK should have walked, Darren hopped twice and scored in 2nd half... you win some/lose some... invariably balances out. |
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Post by glengael on Oct 7, 2022 9:15:54 GMT
I remember the evening in 2003, the last of that infamous 3 in a row, as one of the worst and longest journeys home after a match. The doom and gloom on the train that night and the 'we'll never see another All Ireland' comments...
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Oct 7, 2022 10:21:42 GMT
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Post by Mickmack on Oct 7, 2022 10:21:42 GMT
From what I remember Meath wanted a replay but either their CB or the Leinster Council wouldn't allow it. One thing about it thst sort of annoyed me about the whole thing is how Louth milked it for so long after. They played the following season and Meath won well. But Louth tended to make out everyone was out to get them. To my knowledge the Leinster council could nt order a replay due to rules. Meath would have to offer which they did nt. The score per the refs report is what matters. The GAAs hands were tied. All it needed was Meath to do the honourable thing and i am sure the GAA would have gladly agreed to a replay. Meath would have the high moral ground and i am certain they would have won the replay. And even if they lost, they were still in the championship. |
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Post by glengael on Oct 10, 2022 10:23:07 GMT
I remember the evening in 2003, the last of that infamous 3 in a row, as one of the worst and longest journeys home after a match. The doom and gloom on the train that night and the 'we'll never see another All Ireland' comments... The narrative that time was "Kerry can T win in croke park anymore". Pure horse manure! Kerry had lost to Meath Armagh and Tyrone 01 02 03 but the media forgetting that Kerry won a quarter final in croke park in 02 and a semi final and a quarter final in croke park again in 03.Paper never refuses ink. Anyway for a team that could nt beat Ulster teams and win in croke park we won Sam the next year 04 beating Derry in semi before destroying Mayo in final. I always find the media slant pure "Bull". I remember before 2011 final they saying last time Dubs bt Kerry in championship Elvis was alive. Well Dubs won. Last year Kerry have nt beaten Dubs in 13 years. Kerry won. Next year will they be saying "Sure Dublin have nt beaten Kerry in league or championship in 4 years". It's all about the present. There was certainly a sense from people I spoke to that night that Kerry needed new leadership on the sideline after 2003, if they were to start winning again. |
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