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Post by A.N. Other on Aug 21, 2022 20:59:36 GMT
Please do it. Very disappointing it hasn’t been available all along. It would be great if it became available from now to the end of the championships
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Aug 21, 2022 21:19:44 GMT
Trying to ascertain if there’s an appetite for streamed games from next weekend onwards? Thoughts? Thanks! Absolutely, some very exciting and interesting matches ahead.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Aug 21, 2022 21:21:05 GMT
I would think they’d have to bring back Kenmare District although that would mean 9 divisional sides. It could be the perfect opportunity to join Feale and Shannon Rangers. Stacks would go in with Brendans. When Kenmare District return, the two lowest performing divisional teams over 5 years are to playoff. Kenmare District's return might spark a fresh review of the divisional structure and an agreement for a fixed number of 8 going forward. I think a playoff would be unfair on the players of the losing side since they’d only get 1 game while every other team have a minimum of 3, I think it should be avoided if at all possible.
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Post by kerryexile on Aug 21, 2022 21:58:21 GMT
Trying to ascertain if there’s an appetite for streamed games from next weekend onwards? Thoughts? Thanks! Definitely yes. Starved of opportunities to see club games.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Aug 21, 2022 22:20:35 GMT
Trying to ascertain if there’s an appetite for streamed games from next weekend onwards? Thoughts? Thanks! I got shot down here for suggesting it - wan minute I had Tom Ryan amazed by my account of the Ballydonoghue connections ar fud an domhain anticipating the NK final, next thing he went cold because a few local latchicos 'intervened' - hey, if for no reason other than we are AI champs, it would be nice for say emigrants who see less of 'in the flesh' but are part of the backbone of things. Just imagine, you're in China or wherever and a family member, a school pal is involved - many a tear is shed, I've done it! Bad enough you're not there, but then some * on Silicon Valley stops you even seeing it - BRING IT ON!
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Post by exiled on Aug 21, 2022 22:42:22 GMT
As regards the divisional structure I think it needs to be reorganised to have a more even distribution of clubs. Kenmare district needs to be in it but only if competitive. Why no strengthen the weaker districts with clubs from the nearest strong divisional sides so that travel is minimised. Either that or clubs will amalgamate.As an exile I have preached in the county I live in how the divisional structure, especially from u14 up,has provided greater competitive nature for players from weaker clubs.
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Post by blacksheep21 on Aug 21, 2022 23:31:42 GMT
Trying to ascertain if there’s an appetite for streamed games from next weekend onwards? Thoughts? Thanks! Definitely
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Post by Fado on Aug 22, 2022 0:42:23 GMT
A big yes to streamed games!
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Post by mike70 on Aug 22, 2022 4:24:14 GMT
I will have some of that streaming please, a big market outside kerry to watch kerry championship games, look forward to it.
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Post by tman59 on Aug 22, 2022 9:58:48 GMT
With Austin Stacks now in a relegation play off I see on Twitter a lot of people giving out that there is too few senior club teams in Kerry. And maybe so! But we have to be happy on how competitive our senior club championship is?
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Aug 22, 2022 10:18:48 GMT
With Austin Stacks now in a relegation play off I see on Twitter a lot of people giving out that there is too few senior club teams in Kerry. And maybe so! But we have to be happy on how competitive our senior club championship is? It’s phenomenally competitive and it’s great that it’s is so, I’ve never been in favour of us diluting the standard of our competition to acquiesce to outside influences, however I do think that there could well be an argument put forward for having 4 more clubs. More so as a check on divisional sides such as east Kerry. Regarding stacks? That’s the position gnat every club can potentially be in and granted they won the county championship last year but in this years club they have only won 1 of 3 games and did so by only a point so they haven’t performed
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Post by onlykerry on Aug 22, 2022 10:30:53 GMT
With Austin Stacks now in a relegation play off I see on Twitter a lot of people giving out that there is too few senior club teams in Kerry. And maybe so! But we have to be happy on how competitive our senior club championship is? It’s phenomenally competitive and it’s great that it’s is so, I’ve never been in favour of us diluting the standard of our competition to acquiesce to outside influences, however I do think that there could well be an argument put forward for having 4 more clubs. More so as a check on divisional sides such as east Kerry. Regarding stacks? That’s the position gnat every club can potentially be in and granted they won the county championship last year but in this years club they have only won 1 of 3 games and did so by only a point so they haven’t performed Stacks, Crokes and Rahilly's have all faced the playoff game in the last few years - a couple of injuries and one or two slip ups and you can be in big trouble in this competition. Getting back out of the Intermediate ranks is no easy matter either. 8 senior clubs in a county with over 60 clubs is certainly a small number - the fear of losing your place in the main county championship is a big driver for the traditional stronghold clubs. For me it all comes back to the main county championship being limited to 16 teams - another poster says this is dictated by Croke Park which I find strange as it is a one size fits all approach and ignores the divisional system and the number of active clubs in a county.
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Post by blacksheep21 on Aug 22, 2022 10:31:59 GMT
The move to 8 clubs a few years back was largely driven by the fact that some of the senior clubs were getting serious hammerings. Going back to 12 means that it is likely we would end up in that situation again. However I do think 8 is probably too few given how even it is across the board at the moment.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Aug 22, 2022 10:36:34 GMT
It’s phenomenally competitive and it’s great that it’s is so, I’ve never been in favour of us diluting the standard of our competition to acquiesce to outside influences, however I do think that there could well be an argument put forward for having 4 more clubs. More so as a check on divisional sides such as east Kerry. Regarding stacks? That’s the position gnat every club can potentially be in and granted they won the county championship last year but in this years club they have only won 1 of 3 games and did so by only a point so they haven’t performed Stacks, Crokes and Rahilly's have all faced the playoff game in the last few years - a couple of injuries and one or two slip ups and you can be in big trouble in this competition. Getting back out of the Intermediate ranks is no easy matter either. 8 senior clubs in a county with over 60 clubs is certainly a small number - the fear of losing your place in the main county championship is a big driver for the traditional stronghold clubs. For me it all comes back to the main county championship being limited to 16 teams - another poster says this is dictated by Croke Park which I find strange as it is a one size fits all approach and ignores the divisional system and the number of active clubs in a county. Yeah I fully agree and I’m not saying that I know the answer, however I have to say that I did enjoy this years club championship as more or less every game was tight and was meaningful On the county championship being limited to 16 teams- I’d love to see that and also see how watertight it is I think someone mentioned that cork can get around it by splitting their championships into north & south regions. Getting back up from intermediate would be no joke, there’s some excellent teams down there.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Aug 22, 2022 10:43:35 GMT
The move to 8 clubs a few years back was largely driven by the fact that some of the senior clubs were getting serious hammerings. Going back to 12 means that it is likely we would end up in that situation again. However I do think 8 is probably too few given how even it is across the board at the moment. I think the standard of clubs at intermediate level has gone back up so I wouldn’t be as worried about hammerings. I think the likes of Rathmore, Kilcummin, An Gaeltacht, Legion, etc would give a very good account of themselves at senior level. I haven’t seen Beaufort play in a while so I can’t comment on then and I think Glenflesk would be a bit below the level required.
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Post by mike70 on Aug 22, 2022 10:51:21 GMT
The move to 8 clubs a few years back was largely driven by the fact that some of the senior clubs were getting serious hammerings. Going back to 12 means that it is likely we would end up in that situation again. However I do think 8 is probably too few given how even it is across the board at the moment. I think the standard of clubs at intermediate level has gone back up so I wouldn’t be as worried about hammerings. I think the likes of Rathmore, Kilcummin, An Gaeltacht, Legion, etc would give a very good account of themselves at senior level. I haven’t seen Beaufort play in a while so I can’t comment on then and I think Glenflesk would be a bit below the level required. 100% agree with your comment on these teams Kerrybhoy06, these teams are well up there with spa and templenoe, these considered lesser lights, both now top the group stages.
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Post by givehimaball on Aug 22, 2022 11:05:52 GMT
Stacks, Crokes and Rahilly's have all faced the playoff game in the last few years - a couple of injuries and one or two slip ups and you can be in big trouble in this competition. Getting back out of the Intermediate ranks is no easy matter either. 8 senior clubs in a county with over 60 clubs is certainly a small number - the fear of losing your place in the main county championship is a big driver for the traditional stronghold clubs. For me it all comes back to the main county championship being limited to 16 teams - another poster says this is dictated by Croke Park which I find strange as it is a one size fits all approach and ignores the divisional system and the number of active clubs in a county. Yeah I fully agree and I’m not saying that I know the answer, however I have to say that I did enjoy this years club championship as more or less every game was tight and was meaningful I think the small number of clubs at senior is a real driver of standards. I think the structure of the Kerry county championship is by far the best in Ireland. I'd be shocked if the percentage of players from intermediate and junior clubs in Kerry who have won All-Ireland medals isn't much much higher than any other county. I'd put this down to the divisonal system. Over the years I've talked to so many GAA people from around the country and the amount of times I've heard people say that their senior county championship isn't a great standard because you have teams just making up the numbers. When the senior championship isn't great and uncompetive this has a knock-on affect on the lower tiers. Also I've been asked to explain the Kerry divisional setup for county championship countless times because people don't understand how say David Clifford can play for both East Kerry and Fossa. What's mental is pretty much everyone from junior and intermediate clubs always says the same thing after they get a handle on how it works - they all say 1) that they'd absolutely love such a system 2) no way would it have any chance of passing in their county because the senior clubs wouldn't allow it. What's even more telling is the reaction from people from senior clubs - they all say it never work in our county/all the junior and intermediate clubs hate each other and would never join up together.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 22, 2022 11:16:35 GMT
Yeah I fully agree and I’m not saying that I know the answer, however I have to say that I did enjoy this years club championship as more or less every game was tight and was meaningful I think the small number of clubs at senior is a real driver of standards. I think the structure of the Kerry county championship is by far the best in Ireland. I'd be shocked if the percentage of players from intermediate and junior clubs in Kerry who have won All-Ireland medals isn't much much higher than any other county. I'd put this down to the divisonal system. Over the years I've talked to so many GAA people from around the country and the amount of times I've heard people say that their senior county championship isn't a great standard because you have teams just making up the numbers. When the senior championship isn't great and uncompetive this has a knock-on affect on the lower tiers. Also I've been asked to explain the Kerry divisional setup for county championship countless times because people don't understand how say David Clifford can play for both East Kerry and Fossa. What's mental is pretty much everyone from junior and intermediate clubs always says the same thing after they get a handle on how it works - they all say 1) that they'd absolutely love such a system 2) no way would it have any chance of passing in their county because the senior clubs wouldn't allow it. What's even more telling is the reaction from people from senior clubs - they all say it never work in our county/all the junior and intermediate clubs hate each other and would never join up together. Interesting. I think everyone agrees that the concept is good. The migration of people towards Tralee and Killarney is something that can skew a divisional team over time. A straight forward example is the father of the Cliffords moving from SK towards Killarney. Maybe a parentage rule could be introduced such that players who can't make their divisional panel can play with the divisional team that their parents came from.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Aug 22, 2022 11:18:00 GMT
Yeah I fully agree and I’m not saying that I know the answer, however I have to say that I did enjoy this years club championship as more or less every game was tight and was meaningful I think the small number of clubs at senior is a real driver of standards. I think the structure of the Kerry county championship is by far the best in Ireland. I'd be shocked if the percentage of players from intermediate and junior clubs in Kerry who have won All-Ireland medals isn't much much higher than any other county. I'd put this down to the divisonal system. Over the years I've talked to so many GAA people from around the country and the amount of times I've heard people say that their senior county championship isn't a great standard because you have teams just making up the numbers. When the senior championship isn't great and uncompetive this has a knock-on affect on the lower tiers. Also I've been asked to explain the Kerry divisional setup for county championship countless times because people don't understand how say David Clifford can play for both East Kerry and Fossa. What's mental is pretty much everyone from junior and intermediate clubs always says the same thing after they get a handle on how it works - they all say 1) that they'd absolutely love such a system 2) no way would it have any chance of passing in their county because the senior clubs wouldn't allow it. What's even more telling is the reaction from people from senior clubs - they all say it never work in our county/all the junior and intermediate clubs hate each other and would never join up together. I agree, it is a real driver and standards and keeps it very competitive/cut throat. I could see merit in 4 more teams but then I could see merit in leavin as is
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Post by peanuts on Aug 22, 2022 16:11:02 GMT
I think the small number of clubs at senior is a real driver of standards. I think the structure of the Kerry county championship is by far the best in Ireland. I'd be shocked if the percentage of players from intermediate and junior clubs in Kerry who have won All-Ireland medals isn't much much higher than any other county. I'd put this down to the divisonal system. Over the years I've talked to so many GAA people from around the country and the amount of times I've heard people say that their senior county championship isn't a great standard because you have teams just making up the numbers. When the senior championship isn't great and uncompetive this has a knock-on affect on the lower tiers. Also I've been asked to explain the Kerry divisional setup for county championship countless times because people don't understand how say David Clifford can play for both East Kerry and Fossa. What's mental is pretty much everyone from junior and intermediate clubs always says the same thing after they get a handle on how it works - they all say 1) that they'd absolutely love such a system 2) no way would it have any chance of passing in their county because the senior clubs wouldn't allow it. What's even more telling is the reaction from people from senior clubs - they all say it never work in our county/all the junior and intermediate clubs hate each other and would never join up together. I agree, it is a real driver and standards and keeps it very competitive/cut throat. I could see merit in 4 more teams but then I could see merit in leavin as is I think the introduction of the Munster and AI competitions for Intermediate and Junior has had an impact on the effectiveness of the divisional system.
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Post by onlykerry on Aug 22, 2022 16:19:27 GMT
I am surprised that other counties have not objected to the small number of senior clubs in Kerry which results in strong clubs at Intermediate and Junior level - the success rate of Kerry intermediate and junior clubs at Munster and National level is mind boggling. the 9th best club in Kerry effectively goes forward to compete at provincial and national level at intermediate grade whereas in all club counties this would be the 17th best in effect. For a county like Kerry where there is a decent standard of football this is a huge help in the haul of titles achieved.
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Post by legendz on Aug 22, 2022 16:37:57 GMT
The move to 8 clubs a few years back was largely driven by the fact that some of the senior clubs were getting serious hammerings. Going back to 12 means that it is likely we would end up in that situation again. However I do think 8 is probably too few given how even it is across the board at the moment. A Kerry championship review suggested 10 senior clubs and 6 divisional clubs should be a long-term strategic plan. My understanding is though championships are to be limited to 16, if divisional clubs were in a separate section, they could keep 8 divisional teams. 10 senior clubs could play in 2 groups of 5 in the senior club championship. 2 home games and 2 away games. The 8 divisional clubs then could be drawn in 2 groups of 4 in the county championship. Senior club finalists could be drawn against divisional group runners-up in the county quarter-finals. Divisional group winners could be drawn against the senior club losing semi-finalists. Relegation would be a straightforward matter of the bottom team in each senior club championship group. As per the current structure, the senior club champion can march on to Munster if a divisional team wins the county championship.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 22, 2022 17:25:41 GMT
I am surprised that other counties have not objected to the small number of senior clubs in Kerry which results in strong clubs at Intermediate and Junior level - the success rate of Kerry intermediate and junior clubs at Munster and National level is mind boggling. the 9th best club in Kerry effectively goes forward to compete at provincial and national level at intermediate grade whereas in all club counties this would be the 17th best in effect. For a county like Kerry where there is a decent standard of football this is a huge help in the haul of titles achieved. I think they do give out. I see it as unfair... on the other hand via the Divisional system it serves Kerry well and we don't do it for that purpose so...
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Post by blacksheep21 on Aug 22, 2022 19:01:40 GMT
I am surprised that other counties have not objected to the small number of senior clubs in Kerry which results in strong clubs at Intermediate and Junior level - the success rate of Kerry intermediate and junior clubs at Munster and National level is mind boggling. the 9th best club in Kerry effectively goes forward to compete at provincial and national level at intermediate grade whereas in all club counties this would be the 17th best in effect. For a county like Kerry where there is a decent standard of football this is a huge help in the haul of titles achieved. I think they do give out. I see it as unfair... on the other hand via the Divisional system it serves Kerry well and we don't do it for that purpose so... Exactly this. Kerry teams do have an advantage but it is more of a quirk of tradition than anything else.
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Post by defullback10 on Aug 23, 2022 8:51:50 GMT
I think the number of 8 senior clubs is about right, its club championship and it should be cut throat.
Obviously this does have an knock on effect for the Intermediate and Junior championships, and those that progress onto to Muster and All Ireland level have been very successful. The 9th versus the 17th ranked team as mentioned above can be true but maybe there needs to be a reevaluation of the championship structure in those other counties. Are there teams in any county ranked in that 10 to 16 bracket that can realistically win their championship. I think the biggest advantage our Junior and Intermediate teams have over the other counties is our county league. A junior club can be in Div 1 of the league, providing good games at a decent standard.
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Post by homerj on Aug 23, 2022 9:15:42 GMT
I am surprised that other counties have not objected to the small number of senior clubs in Kerry which results in strong clubs at Intermediate and Junior level - the success rate of Kerry intermediate and junior clubs at Munster and National level is mind boggling. the 9th best club in Kerry effectively goes forward to compete at provincial and national level at intermediate grade whereas in all club counties this would be the 17th best in effect. For a county like Kerry where there is a decent standard of football this is a huge help in the haul of titles achieved. alot of them do, just not officially as its how its always been in Kerry. the thing is, even when the country championship was 20 teams, kerry clubs were still winning alot of trophies. what ever about intermediate, youd expect that the premier junior winners would still win the all ireland even if ranked 25th or 31st. there are many recent examples of teams coming out of nowhere (ie ranked in bottom 16-32 teams) and winning big competitions and going on to win munsters or all irelands, and it could well happen this year also with 2 or 3 big teams still in Prem junior and that was their natural level.
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Post by horsebox77 on Aug 23, 2022 9:40:56 GMT
Trying to ascertain if there’s an appetite for streamed games from next weekend onwards? Thoughts? Thanks! Fair to say, a resounding yes. I have to stress though, this has to be properly conducted. I acknowledge it was the Munster Council and not Kerry but the 'Clubber' McGrath Cup stream fiasco cannot be repeated - once lessons learned from sister branches and the service provided is to standard, I envisage it would be largely welcome and supported.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 23, 2022 10:08:24 GMT
It is an impressive feat to run off all of these competitions simultaneously in a short timeframe. Venues and refs etc all organised.
The fixtures committee put out a tweet at around 7pm on Sunday evening with a full schedule for next sunday and beyond. It is some going to do all of that and no apparent hitches either.
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Post by pillar on Aug 23, 2022 14:09:38 GMT
Even if the county championship is limited to 16 teams there are always ways around it for example a pre championship qualifier system. Have maybe 12 teams in county championship and have another 12 in a qualifier system with the top 4 to join the original 12 to have 16.I like our system but as one poster said if a big club gets relegated it's not that easy to get back up. I would like to see more than 8 senior clubs. I mean some relegated clubs might still be stronger than the odd divisional team. If divisional teams are failing to make an impression they too should merge in with another. For the present I think both Shannon and Feale rangers should unite. You are taking up more time again with a qualifier system..time that isn't there...under the present system a player like David Clifford could be out 9 out of the 10 weekends between club and Divisional team(and played the last 4 weekends as well)..then might have to play a Divisional championship and end up with no break before Kerry start again for 2023..weve one competition too many in Kerry..I wonder would making the County Championship all Club, scrap Divisional team work.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Aug 23, 2022 14:46:18 GMT
Even if the county championship is limited to 16 teams there are always ways around it for example a pre championship qualifier system. Have maybe 12 teams in county championship and have another 12 in a qualifier system with the top 4 to join the original 12 to have 16.I like our system but as one poster said if a big club gets relegated it's not that easy to get back up. I would like to see more than 8 senior clubs. I mean some relegated clubs might still be stronger than the odd divisional team. If divisional teams are failing to make an impression they too should merge in with another. For the present I think both Shannon and Feale rangers should unite. You are taking up more time again with a qualifier system..time that isn't there...under the present system a player like David Clifford could be out 9 out of the 10 weekends between club and Divisional team(and played the last 4 weekends as well)..then might have to play a Divisional championship and end up with no break before Kerry start again for 2023..weve one competition too many in Kerry..I wonder would making the County Championship all Club, scrap Divisional team work. There no chance that they’ll get rid of the divisional sides and thankfully so
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