mike70
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Post by mike70 on Dec 4, 2022 15:58:15 GMT
Discussion on an incident that occurred and can be clearly viewed by anyone who wants to view it- was taken down and posters were told not to discuss it again due to a complaint about it. How could it be seen any other way? The fact that the incident happened is irrefutable if you watch the match. It wasn’t a false allegation, it was 100% accurate to call it out yet a complaint ended up stifling and eventually killing the ability to discuss the incident. I can’t see how the complaint and subsequent banning of discussion in the topic can be seen as anything other what I have outlined Another poster said you have to pay 10e on clubber to see the alleged incident. I don't think many are going to pay that to see a few seconds incident so it cannot be clearly viewed by everyone. Also not one other poster collaborated your view. Now I'm not for one second doubting your statement but maybe your allegiance might have affected your judgement or else there is a silence because the player involved is a county player. For what it’s worth, no need to doubt the man, it happened, I saw the clip, anyway time to move on, let’s park the acrimony, we are one kerry.
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Post by Control5 on Dec 4, 2022 16:26:17 GMT
I am a moderator here since 2008 and not once have i seen that happen. That's 14 years. It is an insult to other posters and it should be withdrawn. It is totally inaccurate and you have no basis for saying it. Complaints are invariably received from posters who have nothing to do or involved in a particular discussion. Lots of complaints over the years are not acted upon. Moderator had confirmed that not all posts get deleted and you made your allegation after that. You are impugning the integrity of the Moderators. Moderators do some posters a favour occasionally by deleting what has been said as it protects them from a possible day in court as some posts are slanderous. For example, would you be more circumspect about an alleged incident recently if you were writing a letter to The Kerryman and putting your name and address at the end of it. Using a username puts a greater onus on posters to be careful about what has been said. So i think you in particular have good reason to be grateful to moderators. General comment I welcome the news that the county board are going to engage a solicitor to police message boards. It will probably take the danger away of moderators being sued when someone is slandered. It is unclear. I operate as Control 5. The other one is 'Moderator' who volunteered to do the job in December 2020 in the midst of the covid era. I was glad that happened as it wasnt easy then. 'Moderator' takes a far stricter line that me but there are no guidelines other than what is on the main page about 'keeping things fair and accurate etc. Referees differ in games as well as on message boards. Another person operates as Control 3 but is seldom on here. I hope this helps clear up some of the issues and concerns. Discussion on an incident that occurred and can be clearly viewed by anyone who wants to view it- was taken down and posters were told not to discuss it again due to a complaint about it. How could it be seen any other way? The fact that the incident happened is irrefutable if you watch the match. It wasn’t a false allegation, it was 100% accurate to call it out yet a complaint ended up stifling and eventually killing the ability to discuss the incident. I can’t see how the complaint and subsequent banning of discussion in the topic can be seen as anything other what I have outlined Moderators have minds of their own. I do not need a complaint in order to act. Do you still believe that posters complain to Moderators because they are losing an argument? Or that Moderators would fall for that?
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Post by Control5 on Dec 4, 2022 16:33:21 GMT
If you look at the beneficiaries of these actions an unhealthy pattern emerges. What exactly are you implying? Who are the benefiaries? And what are they benefitting from? And what is the pattern?
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Post by blacksheep21 on Dec 4, 2022 16:47:32 GMT
I didn't see the deleted posts but can gather what they were about and roughly what was said. kerrybhoy06 is correct. Moderator / Control3 / Control5 have a difficult job to do but what happened was not an opinion or hypothetical, it was on video, there for all to see. For that reason deleting it was erring on the wrong side of balanced management. And it is difficult to give them the benefit of the doubt as it is not the first time something like this happened. A whole thread disappeared a couple of years ago. If you look at the beneficiaries of these actions an unhealthy pattern emerges. The readership of this forum extends away beyond Kerry supporters. A part of the appeal is the honest, robust discussion. Would it hold the numbers if the posts were from "yes men" and altar boys and the female equivalents? Maybe now that we have legal and social media professionals available more transparent guidelines could be published. If the specific reason why a complaint was upheld, was given, we could all learn from it. You didn’t see the deleted posts so how can you criticise the moderators. I think I did read most of the comments - regardless of the right or wrongs of the incident which I did not see, I can see why a couple of them might have been deleted as they were quite strong. However it is a pity, that we cannot see the incident without paying 10 euro as it is a fair topic for debate and highlighting so I have sympathy with Kerrybhoy on this score.
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Post by Control5 on Dec 4, 2022 17:16:53 GMT
I didn't see the deleted posts but can gather what they were about and roughly what was said. kerrybhoy06 is correct. Moderator / Control3 / Control5 have a difficult job to do but what happened was not an opinion or hypothetical, it was on video, there for all to see. For that reason deleting it was erring on the wrong side of balanced management. And it is difficult to give them the benefit of the doubt as it is not the first time something like this happened. A whole thread disappeared a couple of years ago. If you look at the beneficiaries of these actions an unhealthy pattern emerges. The readership of this forum extends away beyond Kerry supporters. A part of the appeal is the honest, robust discussion. Would it hold the numbers if the posts were from "yes men" and altar boys and the female equivalents? Maybe now that we have legal and social media professionals available more transparent guidelines could be published. If the specific reason why a complaint was upheld, was given, we could all learn from it. I think I did read most of the comments - regardless of the right or wrongs of the incident which I did not see, I can see why a couple of them might have been deleted as they were quite strong. Using words (while hiding behind a username) like scum and scummy is hardly on? Moderators must protect themselves too from being complicit in slander.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Dec 4, 2022 17:40:15 GMT
From what I understand here, we all agree on the subject in broad terms, i.e. we all want the same thing, but we are falling down on the particular incident and which is why I suggested that a gist of the dispute is put up temporarily and so people can at least see what it is they are talking about, that is apart from a video clip of the incident.
I know Vet was being a bit ambitious but in fairness we should him a bit of slack, his heart is in the right place.
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Aodhan
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Post by Aodhan on Dec 4, 2022 17:53:18 GMT
Vets reports were, well they bridged that gap if you didn't see the game. The problem is that nobody ever disagreed with him and so while we have no benchmark, still I'd say he wasn't far off the mark, generally. What used to annoy me was his often unnecessary use of unusual words and I'd doubt if I was in the minority here, so to get his point you had to use a dictionary and which interrupted the flow of thought, and that he was good was, well it was 'full on flow.' And yip while he takes a view on things and like all auld lads while he's as stubborn as stubborn, I think his take was generally respected if not always agreed with. Still out of respect and given that he was part and parcel of the forum, maybe moderators might reshow a bit of the evidence, but just for a few days and it again gets re-deleted regardless. Then we call all move on, the longer these things go on the less likely they are ever to be resolved and, ah sure he enjoys posting too, and he has served us well, even if he does keep reminding us of the superiority of his UCC education! Once in a while my world aligns with my good friend and part time nemesis, Ballyfireside. For the good of the Forum, the evidence as to why Veteran's posts were deleted needs to be made clear for all to see. Pointing us toward the rules of the forum is not the answer as the reasons cannot be found there. This seems like a personal vendetta against Veteran unless proved otherwise. Personal opinions should never interfere with the rules and should not be swayed by the mob. Some members have since made a reference to Veteran's knowledgeable world views, even as much as calling them ludicrous, how that post still stands is baffling. Defamation written all over it. Unfortunately Alternate Reality rules the roost, not only on this forum but life in general. No forum member has to my knowledge come out and said they agree with the deletions, as usual the complaining cowards are hiding again. We all need to learn from this and see evidence as to why the posts were deleted. Post the complaints with names redacted, surely there was more than one. Point out what rule or rules were broken. If Moderators are not comfortable with posting the evidence on an open forum, broadcast a PM. All was great with the world again when Kerry lifted Sam, didn't last long, the bickering has started again. It is possible that this post will also be up for deletion due in no small part to childlike complaints. Great as this forum is, it does at times lean toward Dorsey and Zuckerbergism.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Dec 4, 2022 18:23:25 GMT
Vets reports were, well they bridged that gap if you didn't see the game. The problem is that nobody ever disagreed with him and so while we have no benchmark, still I'd say he wasn't far off the mark, generally. What used to annoy me was his often unnecessary use of unusual words and I'd doubt if I was in the minority here, so to get his point you had to use a dictionary and which interrupted the flow of thought, and that he was good was, well it was 'full on flow.' And yip while he takes a view on things and like all auld lads while he's as stubborn as stubborn, I think his take was generally respected if not always agreed with. Still out of respect and given that he was part and parcel of the forum, maybe moderators might reshow a bit of the evidence, but just for a few days and it again gets re-deleted regardless. Then we call all move on, the longer these things go on the less likely they are ever to be resolved and, ah sure he enjoys posting too, and he has served us well, even if he does keep reminding us of the superiority of his UCC education! Once in a while my world aligns with my good friend and part time nemesis, Ballyfireside. For the good of the Forum, the evidence as to why Veteran's posts were deleted needs to be made clear for all to see. Pointing us toward the rules of the forum is not the answer as the reasons cannot be found there. This seems like a personal vendetta against Veteran unless proved otherwise. Personal opinions should never interfere with the rules and should not be swayed by the mob. Some members have since made a reference to Veteran's knowledgeable world views, even as much as calling them ludicrous, how that post still stands is baffling. Defamation written all over it. Unfortunately Alternate Reality rules the roost, not only on this forum but life in general. No forum member has to my knowledge come out and said they agree with the deletions, as usual the complaining cowards are hiding again. We all need to learn from this and see evidence as to why the posts were deleted. Post the complaints with names redacted, surely there was more than one. Point out what rule or rules were broken. If Moderators are not comfortable with posting the evidence on an open forum, broadcast a PM. All was great with the world again when Kerry lifted Sam, didn't last long, the bickering has started again. It is possible that this post will also be up for deletion due in no small part to childlike complaints. Great as this forum is, it does at times lean toward Dorsey and Zuckerbergism. How is it a personal vendetta against Veteran if he is the one who flounced?!
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Aodhan
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Post by Aodhan on Dec 4, 2022 18:31:44 GMT
How is it a personal vendetta against Veteran if he is the one who flounced?! [/quote][/div] It was a matter of principle for Veteran, I totally understand his reason for leaving. Victory for the mob again. Time to say enough.
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Post by Moderator on Dec 4, 2022 19:03:35 GMT
My final comment on this....veteran put down an entire community rather than any individual.
He was offered the opportunity to rephrase his comments, which he later admitted to being “tongue in cheek”, but declined to do so. He still has that opportunity.
There is no personal vendetta against anyone on this forum.
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Post by playitfair on Dec 4, 2022 20:29:15 GMT
I have no idea what the issue is but it clearly seems like it is our "Saipan" moment and we will be the poorer for Veteran's absence.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Dec 4, 2022 21:12:42 GMT
I think I did read most of the comments - regardless of the right or wrongs of the incident which I did not see, I can see why a couple of them might have been deleted as they were quite strong. Using words (while hiding behind a username) like scum and scummy is hardly on? Moderators must protect themselves too from being complicit in slander. Scummy is defined as unpleasant or nasty. The action of stamping on a player prone on the ground falls under this category, you’d be done for assault if you did it off a pitch. Imagine if you saw a video of a man lying on the street and some guy coming over and stamping on him, how would you describe it? What traits would you think the actions displayed. Slander is based around false statements so that isn’t even up for discussion here so bringing it into the discussion is moot
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Post by southward on Dec 4, 2022 21:19:35 GMT
How is it a personal vendetta against Veteran if he is the one who flounced?! LOL Can a man of veteran's vintage really "flounce"? I have no idea what this is about btw. But it seems a shame.
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Post by mossie on Dec 4, 2022 21:32:57 GMT
I dont know the detail of the fall out nor do I want a recount of it but I miss Veteran
He would have had a good report on todays NK final for instance
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Post by Control5 on Dec 4, 2022 23:17:55 GMT
Vets reports were, well they bridged that gap if you didn't see the game. The problem is that nobody ever disagreed with him and so while we have no benchmark, still I'd say he wasn't far off the mark, generally. What used to annoy me was his often unnecessary use of unusual words and I'd doubt if I was in the minority here, so to get his point you had to use a dictionary and which interrupted the flow of thought, and that he was good was, well it was 'full on flow.' And yip while he takes a view on things and like all auld lads while he's as stubborn as stubborn, I think his take was generally respected if not always agreed with. Still out of respect and given that he was part and parcel of the forum, maybe moderators might reshow a bit of the evidence, but just for a few days and it again gets re-deleted regardless. Then we call all move on, the longer these things go on the less likely they are ever to be resolved and, ah sure he enjoys posting too, and he has served us well, even if he does keep reminding us of the superiority of his UCC education! Once in a while my world aligns with my good friend and part time nemesis, Ballyfireside. For the good of the Forum, the evidence as to why Veteran's posts were deleted needs to be made clear for all to see. Pointing us toward the rules of the forum is not the answer as the reasons cannot be found there. This seems like a personal vendetta against Veteran unless proved otherwise. Personal opinions should never interfere with the rules and should not be swayed by the mob. Some members have since made a reference to Veteran's knowledgeable world views, even as much as calling them ludicrous, how that post still stands is baffling. Defamation written all over it. Unfortunately Alternate Reality rules the roost, not only on this forum but life in general. No forum member has to my knowledge come out and said they agree with the deletions, as usual the complaining cowards are hiding again. We all need to learn from this and see evidence as to why the posts were deleted. Post the complaints with names redacted, surely there was more than one. Point out what rule or rules were broken. If Moderators are not comfortable with posting the evidence on an open forum, broadcast a PM. All was great with the world again when Kerry lifted Sam, didn't last long, the bickering has started again. It is possible that this post will also be up for deletion due in no small part to childlike complaints. Great as this forum is, it does at times lean toward Dorsey and Zuckerbergism. The only rules that i am aware of are below which are on the Forum main page. So it is all about personal opinions in reality. Until Kerry County Board comes up with a better system that's the way it is. Today has been quite an illuminating one for me. It is likely that new Moderators will be needed pretty soon and you will get your opportunity and the best of luck to you on that score. Keep it clean, keep it fair, keep it accurate, keep it honest. Ciarraí Abú! Any material which is vulgar, defamatory, harassing, hateful, threatening, invading of others privacy, or violating any laws will not be tolerated. .
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Post by blacksheep21 on Dec 4, 2022 23:31:19 GMT
Looks like the moderators will be flouncing also!
I will campaign for the role of chief moderator with my main goal being getting veteran back posting on this forum. I look forward to your support.
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Post by sullyschoice on Dec 4, 2022 23:47:58 GMT
Vets reports were, well they bridged that gap if you didn't see the game. The problem is that nobody ever disagreed with him and so while we have no benchmark, still I'd say he wasn't far off the mark, generally. What used to annoy me was his often unnecessary use of unusual words and I'd doubt if I was in the minority here, so to get his point you had to use a dictionary and which interrupted the flow of thought, and that he was good was, well it was 'full on flow.' And yip while he takes a view on things and like all auld lads while he's as stubborn as stubborn, I think his take was generally respected if not always agreed with. Still out of respect and given that he was part and parcel of the forum, maybe moderators might reshow a bit of the evidence, but just for a few days and it again gets re-deleted regardless. Then we call all move on, the longer these things go on the less likely they are ever to be resolved and, ah sure he enjoys posting too, and he has served us well, even if he does keep reminding us of the superiority of his UCC education! Once in a while my world aligns with my good friend and part time nemesis, Ballyfireside. For the good of the Forum, the evidence as to why Veteran's posts were deleted needs to be made clear for all to see. Pointing us toward the rules of the forum is not the answer as the reasons cannot be found there. This seems like a personal vendetta against Veteran unless proved otherwise. Personal opinions should never interfere with the rules and should not be swayed by the mob. Some members have since made a reference to Veteran's knowledgeable world views, even as much as calling them ludicrous, how that post still stands is baffling. Defamation written all over it. Unfortunately Alternate Reality rules the roost, not only on this forum but life in general. No forum member has to my knowledge come out and said they agree with the deletions, as usual the complaining cowards are hiding again. We all need to learn from this and see evidence as to why the posts were deleted. Post the complaints with names redacted, surely there was more than one. Point out what rule or rules were broken. If Moderators are not comfortable with posting the evidence on an open forum, broadcast a PM. All was great with the world again when Kerry lifted Sam, didn't last long, the bickering has started again. It is possible that this post will also be up for deletion due in no small part to childlike complaints. Great as this forum is, it does at times lean toward Dorsey and Zuckerbergism. You are referring to my previous post. There is absolutely nothing defamatory about it. Not even close. If Moderators wish to delete it I won't have an issue with it as its their judgement and they run the show here. I have said a lot worse. I have no idea what the original deleted posts were about as I don't read every single post on every thread. Veteran's contributions were very valuable here but he did tend to take exception to criticism (or even not agreeing with his world views) and can come across as arrogant at times. I am sure perhaps we all could be guilty of that. Anyway, I hope this can be resolved amicably and he returns to contribute in the future. But if he doesn't, he doesn't. His decision.
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Post by Control5 on Dec 5, 2022 9:25:18 GMT
I am a moderator here since 2008 and not once have i seen that happen. That's 14 years. It is an insult to other posters and it should be withdrawn. It is totally inaccurate and you have no basis for saying it. Complaints are invariably received from posters who have nothing to do or involved in a particular discussion. Lots of complaints over the years are not acted upon. Moderator had confirmed that not all posts get deleted and you made your allegation after that. You are impugning the integrity of the Moderators. Moderators do some posters a favour occasionally by deleting what has been said as it protects them from a possible day in court as some posts are slanderous. For example, would you be more circumspect about an alleged incident recently if you were writing a letter to The Kerryman and putting your name and address at the end of it. Using a username puts a greater onus on posters to be careful about what has been said. So i think you in particular have good reason to be grateful to moderators. General comment I welcome the news that the county board are going to engage a solicitor to police message boards. It will probably take the danger away of moderators being sued when someone is slandered. It is unclear. I operate as Control 5. The other one is 'Moderator' who volunteered to do the job in December 2020 in the midst of the covid era. I was glad that happened as it wasnt easy then. 'Moderator' takes a far stricter line that me but there are no guidelines other than what is on the main page about 'keeping things fair and accurate etc. Referees differ in games as well as on message boards. Another person operates as Control 3 but is seldom on here. I hope this helps clear up some of the issues and concerns. Discussion on an incident that occurred and can be clearly viewed by anyone who wants to view it- was taken down and posters were told not to discuss it again due to a complaint about it. How could it be seen any other way? The fact that the incident happened is irrefutable if you watch the match. It wasn’t a false allegation, it was 100% accurate to call it out yet a complaint ended up stifling and eventually killing the ability to discuss the incident. I can’t see how the complaint and subsequent banning of discussion in the topic can be seen as anything other what I have outlined I locked that thread mainly because of possible defamatory words being used. I went away for a few days. When i returned, the posts had been deleted. If one of the other moderators or perhaps Kerry GAA Officer formed the opinion that said posts should be deleted, I accept that. Time has moved on now. How many times do you need to make the same point about the issue? On a general note, I would probably have handled the Veteran thing differently to Moderator. Maybe i would have done nothing or maybe asked him to consider using emogis in future to convey humour. But asking a poster to consider rephrasing something is hardly unreasonable is it? I tend to let a lot go but that is not ideal either. I think the last posts i deleted were last July after Kerry won the All Ireland and a few people decided it was an opportune time to start slagging off Mayo fans for loving being losers! My point is that Moderators use their own judgement and form opinions and decide to act or not act. Complaints seldom influence me. I sense a seachange and there seems to be general unhappiness with the way things are being done. Stock needs to be taken off that. Kerry GAA and this forum are bigger and more important than any of us.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Dec 5, 2022 12:45:43 GMT
Discussion on an incident that occurred and can be clearly viewed by anyone who wants to view it- was taken down and posters were told not to discuss it again due to a complaint about it. How could it be seen any other way? The fact that the incident happened is irrefutable if you watch the match. It wasn’t a false allegation, it was 100% accurate to call it out yet a complaint ended up stifling and eventually killing the ability to discuss the incident. I can’t see how the complaint and subsequent banning of discussion in the topic can be seen as anything other what I have outlined I locked that thread mainly because of possible defamatory words being used. I went away for a few days. When i returned, the posts had been deleted. If one of the other moderators or perhaps Kerry GAA Officer formed the opinion that said posts should be deleted, I accept that. Time has moved on now. How many times do you need to make the same point about the issue? On a general note, I would probably have handled the Veteran thing differently to Moderator. Maybe i would have done nothing or maybe asked him to consider using emogis in future to convey humour. But asking a poster to consider rephrasing something is hardly unreasonable is it? I tend to let a lot go but that is not ideal either. I think the last posts i deleted were last July after Kerry won the All Ireland and a few people decided it was an opportune time to start slagging off Mayo fans for loving being losers! My point is that Moderators use their own judgement and form opinions and decide to act or not act. Complaints seldom influence me. I sense a seachange and there seems to be general unhappiness with the way things are being done. Stock needs to be taken off that. Kerry GAA and this forum are bigger and more important than any of us. Not meaning to put myself above anyone else, but I am happy to take a look at the comment(s), PM it to me, I will take one look at it and delete it, and then report back to Control only, my lips will be sealed and they will be free to post my take on things - if I do otherwise I will accept a life ban. I have fallen in and out with Vet, he currently doesn't exchange with me and which might be for a similar reason to this instance - he meant (very) well with a matter that I had to pull him up on for reasons he wouldn't be aware of. He is a different generation and has rare experience, and we all know there isn't a bad bone is his body. I think Control are in the dock here for a misunderstanding not of their doing and that is chiefly why I am offering to help. I'd like to think that despite my own odd tantrum, that I'd be fair and respectful. We have a good thing going here and apart from the occasional wart, long may the gig last. If anyone wants to sharpen up on such an arrangement feel free to do so - I am just being straight forward here, seeking to recover a situation in as simple a manner as possible.
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Post by kerrysouth on Dec 5, 2022 12:54:18 GMT
I think the moderators do a great job and in fairness are no shrinking violets either and let a lot go . I do think us posters have to bemore objective at times and I know if you are a passionate supporter of a club and an incident happens involving your club anger becomes the over riding emotion and this forum becomes an obvious platform to vent that anger but maybe sometimes we should all take a deep breath and of course highlight the incident but maybe be more measured in our use of language to describe that incident .I am in no way condoning the incident and in any event did not see it but I do trust the poster integrity in the matter but unfortunately there are contentious incidents every season in Kerry Gaa which are usually dealt objectively by the Kerry Gaa authorities so to finish of course highlight the incidents but tone down the language and make the moderators job that little bit easier Ps I have no vested interest either way in the above incident
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Post by blacksheep21 on Dec 5, 2022 13:31:57 GMT
This is a self imposed exile by veteran and he can return any time he wants. This is all about his ego and pride. I am not saying I agree with the moderators actions in terms of deleting the posts but he needs to get over it. The moderators have explained their position and that should be the end of the matter.
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Post by Control5 on Dec 5, 2022 13:50:35 GMT
I locked that thread mainly because of possible defamatory words being used. I went away for a few days. When i returned, the posts had been deleted. If one of the other moderators or perhaps Kerry GAA Officer formed the opinion that said posts should be deleted, I accept that. Time has moved on now. How many times do you need to make the same point about the issue? On a general note, I would probably have handled the Veteran thing differently to Moderator. Maybe i would have done nothing or maybe asked him to consider using emogis in future to convey humour. But asking a poster to consider rephrasing something is hardly unreasonable is it? I tend to let a lot go but that is not ideal either. I think the last posts i deleted were last July after Kerry won the All Ireland and a few people decided it was an opportune time to start slagging off Mayo fans for loving being losers! My point is that Moderators use their own judgement and form opinions and decide to act or not act. Complaints seldom influence me. I sense a seachange and there seems to be general unhappiness with the way things are being done. Stock needs to be taken off that. Kerry GAA and this forum are bigger and more important than any of us. Not meaning to put myself above anyone else, but can I make a suggestion - can I have a look at the comment(s), PM it to me, I will take one look at it and delete it, and then report back to Control only - if I do otherwise I will accept a life ban. I have fallen in and out with Vet, he currently doesn't exchange with me and which might be for a similar reason this instance - he meant (very) well with a matter that I had to pull him up on for reasons he wouldn't be aware of. He is a different generation and has rare experience and I don't think there is a bad bone is his body. I think Control are in the dock here for a misunderstanding not of their doing and that is chiefly why I am offering to help. I'd like to thank that despite my odd tantrum, that I'd be fair and respectful. We have a good thing going here and for the occasional wart, long may it last. If anyone wants to sharpen up on such an arrangement feel free to do so - I am just being straight forward here, seeking to recover a situation in as simple a manner as possible. insert code here You can, if you wish, write to 'Moderator' via Private Message function as complaints were sent to him. But i make the point again. We do not need a complaint to act. We make judgement calls and make decisions. Sometimes it is better to make no decision. Sometimes that is a mistake with the benefit of hindsight. Most people want a well regulated forum it seems. A minority want the opposite with everything up for discussion (including antivaxing and all sort of conspiracy theories). I am surprised at times that this version of the forum has survived so long. Since 2007 in fact. The old one was closed down by the county board and i could see why. Jack was Manager then too and he had good reason to be unhappy with it at the time. He reserved a special part of his book for faceless key board warriors.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Dec 5, 2022 14:01:36 GMT
I think the moderators do a great job and in fairness are no shrinking violets either and let a lot go . I do think us posters have to bemore objective at times and I know if you are a passionate supporter of a club and an incident happens involving your club anger becomes the over riding emotion and this forum becomes an obvious platform to vent that anger but maybe sometimes we should all take a deep breath and of course highlight the incident but maybe be more measured in our use of language to describe that incident .I am in no way condoning the incident and in any event did not see it but I do trust the poster integrity in the matter but unfortunately there are contentious incidents every season in Kerry Gaa which are usually dealt objectively by the Kerry Gaa authorities so to finish of course highlight the incidents but tone down the language and make the moderators job that little bit easier Ps I have no vested interest either way in the above incident Look while I do appreciate your attempts to bring balance to the situation and you are right on some fronts- I have to say that someone stamping on another person whom is prone on the ground should make you angry, no matter what your club. I still find it relatively incredulous that some would misconstrue it to be a reaction based around bias, as my stance is fairly simple on this: The act of stamping on another player is absolutely heinous and should be criticised. There’s no grey on this topic in my eyes
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Post by Ballyfireside on Dec 5, 2022 14:17:21 GMT
I locked that thread mainly because of possible defamatory words being used. I went away for a few days. When i returned, the posts had been deleted. If one of the other moderators or perhaps Kerry GAA Officer formed the opinion that said posts should be deleted, I accept that. Time has moved on now. How many times do you need to make the same point about the issue? On a general note, I would probably have handled the Veteran thing differently to Moderator. Maybe i would have done nothing or maybe asked him to consider using emogis in future to convey humour. But asking a poster to consider rephrasing something is hardly unreasonable is it? I tend to let a lot go but that is not ideal either. I think the last posts i deleted were last July after Kerry won the All Ireland and a few people decided it was an opportune time to start slagging off Mayo fans for loving being losers! My point is that Moderators use their own judgement and form opinions and decide to act or not act. Complaints seldom influence me. I sense a seachange and there seems to be general unhappiness with the way things are being done. Stock needs to be taken off that. Kerry GAA and this forum are bigger and more important than any of us. Not meaning to put myself above anyone else, but I am happy to take a look at the comment(s), PM it to me, I will take one look at it and delete it, and then report back to Control only, my lips will be sealed and they will be free to post my take on things - if I do otherwise I will accept a life ban. I have fallen in and out with Vet, he currently doesn't exchange with me and which might be for a similar reason to this instance - he meant (very) well with a matter that I had to pull him up on for reasons he wouldn't be aware of. He is a different generation and has rare experience, and we all know there isn't a bad bone is his body. I think Control are in the dock here for a misunderstanding not of their doing and that is chiefly why I am offering to help. I'd like to think that despite my own odd tantrum, that I'd be fair and respectful. We have a good thing going here and apart from the occasional wart, long may the gig last. If anyone wants to sharpen up on such an arrangement feel free to do so - I am just being straight forward here, seeking to recover a situation in as simple a manner as possible. Hey, maybe this is not a great idea - Moderators have more experience and they may be in contact with others, so maybe best to take a different angle, though I still available and will fulfil what I offered if the powers that be want to take me up on it.
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Post by fbab on Dec 5, 2022 14:23:34 GMT
If blacksheep21 is serious, then that's a very generous to offer his services as "chief" moderator; parachuting himself above the existing moderators and their years of experience!
However, if another moderator is to be on this forum, let his/her identity be fully and verifiably known beforehand to the owners of this forum.
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Post by onlykerry on Dec 5, 2022 14:31:06 GMT
I think the moderators do a great job and in fairness are no shrinking violets either and let a lot go . I do think us posters have to bemore objective at times and I know if you are a passionate supporter of a club and an incident happens involving your club anger becomes the over riding emotion and this forum becomes an obvious platform to vent that anger but maybe sometimes we should all take a deep breath and of course highlight the incident but maybe be more measured in our use of language to describe that incident .I am in no way condoning the incident and in any event did not see it but I do trust the poster integrity in the matter but unfortunately there are contentious incidents every season in Kerry Gaa which are usually dealt objectively by the Kerry Gaa authorities so to finish of course highlight the incidents but tone down the language and make the moderators job that little bit easier Ps I have no vested interest either way in the above incident Look while I do appreciate your attempts to bring balance to the situation and you are right on some fronts- I have to say that someone stamping on another person whom is prone on the ground should make you angry, no matter what your club. I still find it relatively incredulous that some would misconstrue it to be a reaction based around bias, as my stance is fairly simple on this: The act of stamping on another player is absolutely heinous and should be criticised. There’s no grey on this topic in my eyes Highlighting an unsavoury incident is totally legitimate - I think where the issue arose is when you used emotive language to describe the actions of the perpetrator. Your choice of vocabulary was strong and perhaps its a word you use in your own normal vocabulary but to many others it was overly strong. You quote it as being a synonym for nasty but most would see it as being much stronger. What we say from the shadows of anonymity needs to be measured a bit more that when we are face to face discussing incidents. The incident you described happened and dismayed me and I share your disgust. On the veteran comments I was and remain amazed that his idle banter caused offence to the degree claimed - perhaps its a generational thing but what he uttered was harmless as far as I saw and did not warrant deletion (unless I missed the offensive bit). My final contribution on this sub-topic. Lets get back to talking football.
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Post by homerj on Dec 5, 2022 16:59:08 GMT
moderation of this place is absolutely fine and if a mod decides to deletes posts, they will normally explain it privately with the posters and that should be that.
we should move on in my opinion. as stated, this place works well and survives the passage of time which has killed alot of other similiar places.
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Post by homerj on Dec 5, 2022 17:01:00 GMT
ack on topic - Rahillys/Newcastle West will face Kilmacud in the AI Semi final.
its some journey so far for KOR - technically ranked bottom of all 16 teams in Kerry Senior Championship (please correct me if i have that wrong) to Club Champions and potentially Munster Champions.
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Post by mike70 on Dec 5, 2022 17:43:06 GMT
ack on topic - Rahillys/Newcastle West will face Kilmacud in the AI Semi final. its some journey so far for KOR - technically ranked bottom of all 16 teams in Kerry Senior Championship (please correct me if i have that wrong) to Club Champions and potentially Munster Champions. I think to be fair your prob mixing up 2 competitions there top club in kerry by winning club championship , not sure how you rank them in the county championship , stacks get relegated , and rathmore come up, so must be above them, either way, as you say they have a munster final to play.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Dec 5, 2022 18:38:54 GMT
ack on topic - Rahillys/Newcastle West will face Kilmacud in the AI Semi final. its some journey so far for KOR - technically ranked bottom of all 16 teams in Kerry Senior Championship (please correct me if i have that wrong) to Club Champions and potentially Munster Champions. I think to be fair your prob mixing up 2 competitions there top club in kerry by winning club championship , not sure how you rank them in the county championship , stacks get relegated , and rathmore come up, so must be above them, either way, as you say they have a munster final to play. I think they call it: ‘attempting a wind up’
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