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Post by percentageplay on Nov 28, 2022 13:02:36 GMT
Judging from the photos it does look like Moran was "palming off" the opposition player who was trying to slow down the free. It very much looks like a "harsh" red (second yellow). However, how should Moran avoid getting this red... Don't put his hand into the face of an opposition player and force a ref to make a decision!
Too much do we blame a ref for being harsh, or an opposition player for being dramatic. Simply don't put yourself in a position where a card may be the result regardless of what is happening around you!
(I didn't see the incident and was very surprised to hear that Moran of all people on the KOR team would be the one getting the early red)
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Post by mitchelsontour on Nov 28, 2022 13:32:22 GMT
Saw the incident on social media, Moran didn't do much but the Clare lad acted as if Mike Tyson had landed one on his jaw.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Nov 28, 2022 15:39:44 GMT
Saw the incident on social media, Moran didn't do much but the Clare lad acted as if Mike Tyson had landed one on his jaw. It was ridiculous, he hit the deck like he had been shot.
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Post by keane on Nov 28, 2022 16:09:52 GMT
The first yellow was worse it was barely a free
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Nov 28, 2022 16:21:54 GMT
The first yellow was worse it was barely a free We’re back to the age old GAA issue of not punishing the instigator and just punishing the fella who is being hit and held. Sure it’s a free hit for the eire og fella as he’s able to hang off Moran and hit him sly digs to slow the free and there’s no jeopardy. He can do whatever he wants and the slightest hand off and he’ll hit the deck
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Post by Mickmack on Nov 28, 2022 17:17:55 GMT
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Post by mike70 on Nov 28, 2022 19:26:53 GMT
Looks more like a hand off for sure, I don’t see a striking action, on the margins I guess. Kor did well to see out the game with 14 men for over 45 min, they will need to reduce the errors to progress.
Great victories also for rathmore and fossa.
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Post by greengold35 on Nov 28, 2022 20:41:02 GMT
The first yellow was worse it was barely a free Ref was card happy & inconsistent- similar incident in the 2nd half where Barry John impeded a free taker & was pushed to the ground - no action taken. Ref has a history of issuing cards - issued 18 yellows a couple years f years ago when refereeing Derry /Roscommon national league game. Ref has no feel for the game.
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Post by greengold35 on Nov 28, 2022 20:53:18 GMT
Looks more like a hand off for sure, I don’t see a striking action, on the margins I guess. Kor did well to see out the game with 14 men for over 45 min, they will need to reduce the errors to progress. Great victories also for rathmore and fossa. There was NO striking action by Moran - ref would have promptly issued a straight red if there was a hint of a strike. Ref looked like he couldn’t wait to issue a 2nd yellow to send him off.
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Post by Mickmack on Nov 28, 2022 21:28:32 GMT
Looks more like a hand off for sure, I don’t see a striking action, on the margins I guess. Kor did well to see out the game with 14 men for over 45 min, they will need to reduce the errors to progress. Great victories also for rathmore and fossa. There was NO striking action by Moran - ref would have promptly issued a straight red if there was a hint of a strike. Ref looked like he couldn’t wait to issue a 2nd yellow to send him off. Ref may have deemed it 'rough play' which is a yellow card. See number 3 under 'cautionable infractions' You can get a yellow for many things apart from striking. The ref was within his rights to give him a yellow. Another ref might have let it go but thats life. learning.gaa.ie/Rule_changes
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Post by Ballyfireside on Nov 29, 2022 1:44:52 GMT
At best David got sent off being strong enough to try to get on with the play and also the ref at best was niave to Hollywood antics - very hard on the pure sportsman that is Moran and all belonging to him! Northies rave about him being so under-rated and maybe we are guilty of that ourselves, spoilt as we are - just think of what he has been through, and then what he has achieved for us, and now our GAA does this to him when he is doing what he probably loves most; getting his club over the line ala Gooch when Crokes eventually got there.
Still the real offender now has a bright future as refs will watch him like a hawk - one thing they don't like is being made fools of and it will stick with him for his career. I've seen it before.
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Post by mike70 on Nov 29, 2022 6:22:00 GMT
There was NO striking action by Moran - ref would have promptly issued a straight red if there was a hint of a strike. Ref looked like he couldn’t wait to issue a 2nd yellow to send him off. Ref may have deemed it 'rough play' which is a yellow card. See number 3 under 'cautionable infractions' You can get a yellow for many things apart from striking. The ref was within his rights to give him a yellow. Another ref might have let it go but thats life. learning.gaa.ie/Rule_changesMick Mac, I am no expert on the rules, but did the ennis man not deserve a yellow as well for stopping Moran from playing on, I can understand your call on the ref decision re Moran, but another ref might not have given , I think the over reaction by the ennis lad influenced the ref decision
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Nov 29, 2022 8:20:53 GMT
Looks more like a hand off for sure, I don’t see a striking action, on the margins I guess. Kor did well to see out the game with 14 men for over 45 min, they will need to reduce the errors to progress. Great victories also for rathmore and fossa. There was NO striking action by Moran - ref would have promptly issued a straight red if there was a hint of a strike. Ref looked like he couldn’t wait to issue a 2nd yellow to send him off. I’ve long been a vocal advocate of applying the rugby approach to such an incident- discipline the instigator. If you’re hanging out of a player, hitting him after the ball is gone and slowing down a free- and you get pushed to the ground then that’s a case of tough sh*t and have a card for your troubles
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Post by Mickmack on Nov 29, 2022 8:34:44 GMT
Ref may have deemed it 'rough play' which is a yellow card. See number 3 under 'cautionable infractions' You can get a yellow for many things apart from striking. The ref was within his rights to give him a yellow. Another ref might have let it go but thats life. learning.gaa.ie/Rule_changesMick Mac, I am no expert on the rules, but did the ennis man not deserve a yellow as well for stopping Moran from playing on, Looks like that comes under the 'noting infractions'... going by the link i posted up of the rules. I am no expert on the rules either. There is a lot absorb. Most of us supporters have no indepth knowledge of the rules i think its fair to say. Seeing as there is a new movement out there to protect refs maybe we should all acquaint ourselves more with the rules
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Post by againstthegrain on Nov 29, 2022 15:08:53 GMT
I spent the weekend sampling the delights of Tralee town (The Brogue Inn is much changed since my last visit there nearly 30 years ago and luckily nobody remembered I was barred). On Sunday I decided to head to Austin Stack Park where I witnessed a sometimes heated contest as Kerins O’Rahillys overcame the first half sending-off of David Moran to edge past Clare champions Éire Óg of Ennis and book their place in the Munster Club SFC Final. So borrowing a few lines from The Great Master, the following is my report on the game. It may not be 100% accurate but in my defence I was very hungover. 😀
This game was not a classic by any stretch of the imagination but it was a battle of unremitting fascination. As both teams went about their business with pure raw energy, I recalled the first line in Stephen Crane’s short story “The Open Boat” when he said the men were rowing so hard “none of them knew the colour of the sky”. It seems an apt quote to use for these two sides.
O’Rahilly’s were out of the blocks faster than a babysitters boyfriend when the car pulls up and had a point on the electronic scoreboard after just 15 seconds when Jack Savage pointed from 35 yards. Two minutes later a long ball into the edge of the square from Savage was fisted to the net by former Kerry star Tommy Walsh. 1.01 to 0.00 inside three minutes and O’Rahilly’s looked like they would be strolling in a Winter Wonderland for the afternoon.
However, the Ennis men were in no mood to lie down and have their belly tickled and to their credit they responded with the next three points of the game. The excellent Gavin Cooney at full forward posted two points before corner forward Mark McInerney added another after he fielded a brilliant offensive mark to reduce O’Rahilly’s lead to the bare minimum after 15 minutes.
Man of the match, Savage added a free from out the county to extend the lead before the turning point or should I say the turning card in the game arrived in the 20th minute. David Moran was booked for a foul on Eire Og centre-forward Ikem Ugweuru. When referee Sean Lonergan looks back at the replay, he won’t be happy with his decision to issue a card. There may have been sight contact but Ugweuru made the most of it with a dramatic fall to the ground. I went to the game in the company of a man from Templemore, a town that never reared a fool, and we both agreed the Eire Og centre forward had been watching too much of the World Cup during the week.
Just a minute later, Moran and Ugweuru tangled again. This time Ugweuru tried to prevent the Tralee No 8 from taking a quick free. Moran pushed him out of the way in an effort to make space. Inexplicably, the referee reached into his picked and produced a second yellow card. I couldn’t have been more astonished if he had produced a sawn off shot gun. David Moran’s sending off will rank as one of the softest ever in the history of Gaelic Football. It was technically and morally wrong. The first card warranted no more than a ticking and while he did push Ugweuru for the the second, his actions were more in frustration rather than cold blood.
It’s hard to know what effect the sending off had on the game. It is possible it harmed Eire Og as much as it harmed O’Rahilly’s. The Kerry men regrouped by asking Barry John Keane to drop a bit deeper and from this deep position he provided the ammunition for Tommy Walsh to score the next two points, one from a mark.
In the 25th minute, O’Rahilly’s flying wing forward, Gavin O’Brien, galloped like inflation at the Eire Og defence and fired a rocket at the top corner of the net but at the last second it drifted wide of the post to deny the impressive O’Brien what surely would have been goal of the year. Gavin Cooney added a pointed free for Ennis to send the teams in for the bananas and Jaffa Cakes on a score line of 1:04 to 0:04.
Winning the throw-in in Gaelic football is much underrated and it’s my belief that teams don’t pay enough attention to it. Win it or kill it should be the mantra. O’Rahilly’s won it and the ball is fed to Gavin O’Brien who once again runs at the Eire Og defence before tapping over. Two throw-ins in the game and two points for O’Rahilly’s within seconds of both. How vital those points were when the scores were tallied up.
Another Jack Savage free put the Strand Road men five clear after 35 minutes. Two minutes later, Eire Og wing back, Einne O’Connor played a one-two with Oran Cahill before dispatching an unstoppable shot to the front of the net. 1-06 to 1-04 and as Cyril Farrell would say “Game on Ger”.
Cormac Coffey was picked at No 4. He interpreted that number lightly. In fact the only position he wasn’t seen on the field was the corner back position. It should be pointed out that to his credit, Eire Og corner forward, Jarliath Collins held Coffey to two points. A surging run up the field saw him point with the outside of his right to make it a three point game again. A minute later, Jack Savage added another.
With O’Rahilly’s now conceding the kick-out, Eire Og responded with two unanswered points before Gavin O’Brien angled a run off Barry John Keane’s shoulder to make it a three point game once again with 20 mins to go. 1:09 to 1:06
From here in it was almost exclusively Eire Og possession. Cooney was fouled and pointed the free himself from a difficult angle on the 13m line. Three minutes later he would miss a free from the same angle on the 21m line. These wides were killing Eire Og. They would finish the day with nine in total
With O’Rahilly’s struggling to get their hands on the kick-out, Tommy Walsh was summoned to the midfield area. It was all shoulders to the wheel now. Ciaran Russell made it a one point game when he found a parcel of space 45m out and posted it ball over the bar. If the seats in Austin Stack Park had seat belts we would have been fastening them for the joy ride that was to come in the last few minutes.
Mark McInerney received a second yellow in the 56th minute but two minutes later, substitute Philip Talty found himself 3 v 1 in front of the O’Rahilly’s goal. A pass left or right and it was a clear goal chance. However, he chose to try tap it over the bar but his weak shot was blocked down. Maybe he had too many options and hadn’t cleared his head to concentrate on the shot. Whatever the excuse it was a costly miss.
It was keep ball for O’Rahilly’s now and a foul on Jack Savage near the Ennis dug out ended the Ennis challenge and saw the Kerry side reach their first Munster Club Final since 2009. As we left the ground, word filtered through that Newcastle West had beaten Clonmel Commercials which was a shock of sorts. I saw Newcatle West play earlier in the year and now having just witnessed O'Rahilly's play the only advice I can give to both sets of supporters heading to the game is get the dinner in before you go because it could be a long afternoon. This is a 50/50 game and I wouldn't rule out extra time.
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Post by Moderator on Nov 30, 2022 0:19:11 GMT
Moderator comment: The forum design is that posters with less than 25 posts will not have their posts displayed. This seems to work haphazardly, to put it mildly. I see "againstthegrain" posted and 3 members "liked" the post, although I couldn't see the post until I went into "edit this post" mode. Here is the post in full for any readers with similar access issues.
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I spent the weekend sampling the delights of Tralee town (The Brogue Inn is much changed since my last visit there nearly 30 years ago and luckily nobody remembered I was barred). On Sunday I decided to head to Austin Stack Park where I witnessed a sometimes heated contest as Kerins O’Rahillys overcame the first half sending-off of David Moran to edge past Clare champions Éire Óg of Ennis and book their place in the Munster Club SFC Final. So borrowing a few lines from The Great Master, the following is my report on the game. It may not be 100% accurate but in my defence I was very hungover. 😀
This game was not a classic by any stretch of the imagination but it was a battle of unremitting fascination. As both teams went about their business with pure raw energy, I recalled the first line in Stephen Crane’s short story “The Open Boat” when he said the men were rowing so hard “none of them knew the colour of the sky”. It seems an apt quote to use for these two sides.
O’Rahilly’s were out of the blocks faster than a babysitters boyfriend when the car pulls up and had a point on the electronic scoreboard after just 15 seconds when Jack Savage pointed from 35 yards. Two minutes later a long ball into the edge of the square from Savage was fisted to the net by former Kerry star Tommy Walsh. 1.01 to 0.00 inside three minutes and O’Rahilly’s looked like they would be strolling in a Winter Wonderland for the afternoon.
However, the Ennis men were in no mood to lie down and have their belly tickled and to their credit they responded with the next three points of the game. The excellent Gavin Cooney at full forward posted two points before corner forward Mark McInerney added another after he fielded a brilliant offensive mark to reduce O’Rahilly’s lead to the bare minimum after 15 minutes.
Man of the match, Savage added a free from out the county to extend the lead before the turning point or should I say the turning card in the game arrived in the 20th minute. David Moran was booked for a foul on Eire Og centre-forward Ikem Ugweuru. When referee Sean Lonergan looks back at the replay, he won’t be happy with his decision to issue a card. There may have been sight contact but Ugweuru made the most of it with a dramatic fall to the ground. I went to the game in the company of a man from Templemore, a town that never reared a fool, and we both agreed the Eire Og centre forward had been watching too much of the World Cup during the week.
Just a minute later, Moran and Ugweuru tangled again. This time Ugweuru tried to prevent the Tralee No 8 from taking a quick free. Moran pushed him out of the way in an effort to make space. Inexplicably, the referee reached into his picked and produced a second yellow card. I couldn’t have been more astonished if he had produced a sawn off shot gun. David Moran’s sending off will rank as one of the softest ever in the history of Gaelic Football. It was technically and morally wrong. The first card warranted no more than a ticking and while he did push Ugweuru for the the second, his actions were more in frustration rather than cold blood.
It’s hard to know what effect the sending off had on the game. It is possible it harmed Eire Og as much as it harmed O’Rahilly’s. The Kerry men regrouped by asking Barry John Keane to drop a bit deeper and from this deep position he provided the ammunition for Tommy Walsh to score the next two points, one from a mark.
In the 25th minute, O’Rahilly’s flying wing forward, Gavin O’Brien, galloped like inflation at the Eire Og defence and fired a rocket at the top corner of the net but at the last second it drifted wide of the post to deny the impressive O’Brien what surely would have been goal of the year. Gavin Cooney added a pointed free for Ennis to send the teams in for the bananas and Jaffa Cakes on a score line of 1:04 to 0:04.
Winning the throw-in in Gaelic football is much underrated and it’s my belief that teams don’t pay enough attention to it. Win it or kill it should be the mantra. O’Rahilly’s won it and the ball is fed to Gavin O’Brien who once again runs at the Eire Og defence before tapping over. Two throw-ins in the game and two points for O’Rahilly’s within seconds of both. How vital those points were when the scores were tallied up.
Another Jack Savage free put the Strand Road men five clear after 35 minutes. Two minutes later, Eire Og wing back, Einne O’Connor played a one-two with Oran Cahill before dispatching an unstoppable shot to the front of the net. 1-06 to 1-04 and as Cyril Farrell would say “Game on Ger”.
Cormac Coffey was picked at No 4. He interpreted that number lightly. In fact the only position he wasn’t seen on the field was the corner back position. It should be pointed out that to his credit, Eire Og corner forward, Jarliath Collins held Coffey to two points. A surging run up the field saw him point with the outside of his right to make it a three point game again. A minute later, Jack Savage added another.
With O’Rahilly’s now conceding the kick-out, Eire Og responded with two unanswered points before Gavin O’Brien angled a run off Barry John Keane’s shoulder to make it a three point game once again with 20 mins to go. 1:09 to 1:06
From here in it was almost exclusively Eire Og possession. Cooney was fouled and pointed the free himself from a difficult angle on the 13m line. Three minutes later he would miss a free from the same angle on the 21m line. These wides were killing Eire Og. They would finish the day with nine in total
With O’Rahilly’s struggling to get their hands on the kick-out, Tommy Walsh was summoned to the midfield area. It was all shoulders to the wheel now. Ciaran Russell made it a one point game when he found a parcel of space 45m out and posted it ball over the bar. If the seats in Austin Stack Park had seat belts we would have been fastening them for the joy ride that was to come in the last few minutes.
Mark McInerney received a second yellow in the 56th minute but two minutes later, substitute Philip Talty found himself 3 v 1 in front of the O’Rahilly’s goal. A pass left or right and it was a clear goal chance. However, he chose to try tap it over the bar but his weak shot was blocked down. Maybe he had too many options and hadn’t cleared his head to concentrate on the shot. Whatever the excuse it was a costly miss.
It was keep ball for O’Rahilly’s now and a foul on Jack Savage near the Ennis dug out ended the Ennis challenge and saw the Kerry side reach their first Munster Club Final since 2009. As we left the ground, word filtered through that Newcastle West had beaten Clonmel Commercials which was a shock of sorts. I saw Newcatle West play earlier in the year and now having just witnessed O'Rahilly's play the only advice I can give to both sets of supporters heading to the game is get the dinner in before you go because it could be a long afternoon. This is a 50/50 game and I wouldn't rule out extra time.
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Post by onlykerry on Nov 30, 2022 9:40:27 GMT
Moderator - newbie posters whose posts are not visible on desktops are generally viewable on mobile devices and can be liked or commented from from the same mobile devices. I have noticed this over the years.
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Post by peanuts on Nov 30, 2022 9:45:41 GMT
Moderator - newbie posters whose posts are not visible on desktops are generally viewable on mobile devices and can be liked or commented from from the same mobile devices. I have noticed this over the years. I was just going to post the same.
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Post by keane on Nov 30, 2022 9:52:06 GMT
You can also see them if you click the quote button and then click reply on the desktop site
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Post by peanuts on Nov 30, 2022 13:57:53 GMT
You can also see them if you click the quote button and then click reply on the desktop site Funny, that doesn't work for me on the desktop. There's no quote option for a post that's pending and when I try to reply to the topic I see the other posts but not the pending one.
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Post by dano on Nov 30, 2022 15:45:47 GMT
Very good match report all the same.
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Post by Moderator on Nov 30, 2022 23:15:50 GMT
You can also see them if you click the quote button and then click reply on the desktop site Funny, that doesn't work for me on the desktop. There's no quote option for a post that's pending and when I try to reply to the topic I see the other posts but not the pending one.
Doesn't work from desktop or iPad for me...I have to got to "edit" function to see what was posted.
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Post by Moderator on Nov 30, 2022 23:16:13 GMT
Very good match report all the same. Agreed.
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Post by horsebox77 on Nov 30, 2022 23:25:41 GMT
Very good match report all the same. In light of Vets self enforced sabbatical, I wonder if Vet 2.0 in 'againsthegrain' is free to attend Bally on Sunday and give a NK final review?
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Post by Moderator on Nov 30, 2022 23:27:07 GMT
Very good match report all the same. In light of Vets self enforced sabbatical, I wonder is he free to attend Bally on Sunday and give a NK final review?
We all hope so.
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Post by greengold35 on Dec 1, 2022 10:58:59 GMT
Kerins O’Rahillys vs Newcastlewest will take place on Sat 10th in Páirc Uí Rinn with throw in @ 7.30 pm - match will be televised live by TG4 & refereed by Sean Lonergan ( Tipp) - same ref as last week vs Eire Óg.
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Post by mike70 on Dec 1, 2022 16:42:02 GMT
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Post by Ballyfireside on Dec 1, 2022 16:59:15 GMT
In light of Vets self enforced sabbatical, I wonder is he free to attend Bally on Sunday and give a NK final review? We all hope so.
The only one stopping him is himself though he is a man of his word - a bit like Rodney in 'Only Fools and Horses' resigning only for his father in law to accept it as irrevocable. Still our auld hoor is irreplaceable and a NK won't be the same gan Vet.
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Post by horsebox77 on Dec 1, 2022 19:38:03 GMT
Ah I'll be taking the short hop over the parish border to Bally, but couldn't do justice to attempt a report to the standard accustomed by forum members
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Post by Moderator on Dec 1, 2022 21:40:39 GMT
Ah I'll be taking the short hop over the parish border to Bally, but couldn't do justice to attempt a report to the standard accustomed by forum members
Post up the final score, the half time score, how the ref did, pitch condition, who had the wind in each half and who scored vital goals and points and most of us will be happy with that.
Any embellishment on the above, like traffic, who you met on the way in or stood beside during the game, will be well received as well.
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