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Post by royalkerryfan on Nov 13, 2022 12:44:20 GMT
No, he drops the ball as he is about to kick...a hand across his stomach knocks him off his stride. hmmm, not wanting to take anything away from the GOAT but that definitely looks like a double hop to me. He dropped the ball so technically its out of his control meaning its not a double hop. That's my take anyway...
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Post by interested on Nov 13, 2022 13:00:21 GMT
hmmm, not wanting to take anything away from the GOAT but that definitely looks like a double hop to me. He dropped the ball so technically its out of his control meaning its not a double hop. That's my take anyway... And caught it again so what makes it different to a hop ?
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Post by royalkerryfan on Nov 13, 2022 13:21:41 GMT
He dropped the ball so technically its out of his control meaning its not a double hop. That's my take anyway... And caught it again so what makes it different to a hop ? Because he wasn't in control of the ball, It wasn't in his possession.
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Post by Kerryman 2 on Nov 13, 2022 14:07:54 GMT
What Happened with the Glenebigh/Glencar V dromid playoff. Did dromid play a weakened team. I see they were training this morning as well
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Nov 13, 2022 23:26:17 GMT
Congratulations to Rathmore, it was a gift of a goal that won it for them but I do think they were slightly the better team. Their young players were really their driving forces. I thought Cathal Ryan was sensational at midfield, an absolutely huge performance from him. Brilliant fielding, tackling and kicked an important point. I must say I was mightily impressed and this from a fella who was sitting on the bench for the Kerry 20s this year! Brian Friel was also excellent in a sweeper role which I wouldn’t have associated with him at all considering he was always an inside forward for Kerry underage. He was a tough, aggressive and intelligent presence back there for them. Andrew Moynihan their youngest player at full back also did very well marking Eanna O’Conchuir. John Moynihan who I think is more towards the other end of the age scale was also key kicking 1-4, a very handy operator. Gaeltacht put up a great fight considering they were missing both Tomás O’Sé and Ruaidhri O’Beaglaoich, if they can get them back they will be there or thereabouts again next year.
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Post by homerj on Nov 14, 2022 10:33:31 GMT
On a related topic, does anyone know why the junior became the premier junior and the novice became the junior? national alignment i think.
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Post by rathapoli on Nov 14, 2022 11:05:49 GMT
Brian Friel on his semi final and final performances could be an outlier for Jack to take a closer look at. He has been crocked with injuries the last few years but looks back to his best form and is only 23 years old. While Cathal Ryan was very good , his brother Mark Ryan also still has something to offer , he has a great engine , good in the air,and his kick passing and use of ball was superb. Again he has been waylaid with injuries the last few years and is 24 years old.
Ronan Buckley is in his mid 20’s should get a run definitely with Jack , his kick passing , and shooting is much improved, and he has always a massive engine and workrate.
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Post by glengael on Nov 14, 2022 11:47:11 GMT
On a related topic, does anyone know why the junior became the premier junior and the novice became the junior? national alignment i think. Drives me simple to be honest. Senior, Intermediate, Junior, Novice - how hard can that be to follow? This premier Junior etc sounds ridiculous. Next thing we'll have Senior Elite or intermediate premier and intermediate minor or some such.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Nov 14, 2022 12:38:31 GMT
national alignment i think. Drives me simple to be honest. Senior, Intermediate, Junior, Novice - how hard can that be to follow? This premier Junior etc sounds ridiculous. Next thing we'll have Senior Elite or intermediate premier and intermediate minor or some such. It only arose because some, not from Kerry, asked me was it firies or fossa who represent Kerry or do they play off. I had to tell him that the winner of our junior doesn’t go forward to represent Kerry in the junior all Ireland, it’s the winner of our premiere junior.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Nov 14, 2022 15:14:52 GMT
Brian Friel on his semi final and final performances could be an outlier for Jack to take a closer look at. He has been crocked with injuries the last few years but looks back to his best form and is only 23 years old. While Cathal Ryan was very good , his brother Mark Ryan also still has something to offer , he has a great engine , good in the air,and his kick passing and use of ball was superb. Again he has been waylaid with injuries the last few years and is 24 years old. Ronan Buckley is in his mid 20’s should get a run definitely with Jack , his kick passing , and shooting is much improved, and he has always a massive engine and workrate. What position do you think Friel would be if Jack was to look at him? I agree, Mark Ryan was very good too and has been inside before, could well be worth a look. There’s a band of players there who could be looked at for depth in midfield, Ryan, Liam Kearney, Mark O’Shea and Adam Donoghue. Ryan may be the most complete. Based on his performance yesterday I’m amazed Declan had Cathal Ryan on the bench for the 20s. He was on the bench the year previous too which should have put him in position to start the following year but maybe injuries played a part. Totally agree on Buckley, he has to be brought in. I could even see him being a starter next year.
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Post by gaelicden on Nov 14, 2022 17:53:46 GMT
Delighted Rathmore won yesterday, it's great to be a senior club once again, and in addition also having the opportunity to represent Kerry in Munster. The crux of it? I've been made aware that our Munster Club semi final against Kanturk, practically next door neighbours and at most a 30 minute drive, will be played at lunchtime in Pairc UI Caoimh on the 26th. And there's me thinking Mallow would be the worst case location, you'd wonder who makes these decisions.
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Post by horsebox77 on Nov 14, 2022 18:10:58 GMT
Brian Friel on his semi final and final performances could be an outlier for Jack to take a closer look at. He has been crocked with injuries the last few years but looks back to his best form and is only 23 years old. While Cathal Ryan was very good , his brother Mark Ryan also still has something to offer , he has a great engine , good in the air,and his kick passing and use of ball was superb. Again he has been waylaid with injuries the last few years and is 24 years old. Ronan Buckley is in his mid 20’s should get a run definitely with Jack , his kick passing , and shooting is much improved, and he has always a massive engine and workrate. What position do you think Friel would be if Jack was to look at him? I agree, Mark Ryan was very good too and has been inside before, could well be worth a look. There’s a band of players there who could be looked at for depth in midfield, Ryan, Liam Kearney, Mark O’Shea and Adam Donoghue. Ryan may be the most complete. Based on his performance yesterday I’m amazed Declan had Cathal Ryan on the bench for the 20s. He was on the bench the year previous too which should have put him in position to start the following year but maybe injuries played a part. Totally agree on Buckley, he has to be brought in. I could even see him being a starter next year. You wouldn't pick our the Castleisland man yesterday.
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Post by rathapoli on Nov 14, 2022 21:57:38 GMT
I see Brian Friel as a wing forward sweeping back. Mark Ryan plays attacking midfield role with his midfield partner holding role.
It’s just if you get called into Kerry squad in your early-mid 20’s you have to hit the ground running as distinct from younger players who may have a higher ceiling when they fully develop.
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Post by mike70 on Nov 14, 2022 22:15:25 GMT
What position do you think Friel would be if Jack was to look at him? I agree, Mark Ryan was very good too and has been inside before, could well be worth a look. There’s a band of players there who could be looked at for depth in midfield, Ryan, Liam Kearney, Mark O’Shea and Adam Donoghue. Ryan may be the most complete. Based on his performance yesterday I’m amazed Declan had Cathal Ryan on the bench for the 20s. He was on the bench the year previous too which should have put him in position to start the following year but maybe injuries played a part. Totally agree on Buckley, he has to be brought in. I could even see him being a starter next year. You wouldn't pick our the Castleisland man yesterday. Lads I definitely like a few of the names , but we need some perspective, spraying balls around in a junior or intermediate game is a long way from inter county, but for sure some talent there that could develop.
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Post by kerrysouth on Nov 15, 2022 8:21:25 GMT
From the halycon days when skellig and st Michaels foilmore were winning all Ireland club titles on the same weekend and south Kerry were winning county titles I know look on enviously where the power has definitely shifted to East Kerry .3 east Kerry clubs won county titles last weekend added to the county titles won at U20 and senior level.It is why the Kerry senior team and u20 teams will be dominated by players from that region for years to come.Before we start moaning in other districts maybe as clubs we can try and copy and emulate what these clubs are doing in a district that will have 4 senior club teams 6 intermediate teams and 1 premier junior team in 2023 .A lot of these clubs are half the size of other clubs spread throughout the county .
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Post by horsebox77 on Nov 15, 2022 8:34:32 GMT
You wouldn't pick our the Castleisland man yesterday. Lads I definitely like a few of the names , but we need some perspective, spraying balls around in a junior or intermediate game is a long way from inter county, but for sure some talent there that could develop. Mike, I don't think for one minute that any of the names mentioned will be on our starting XV come dry sod this year, I think it more these players are putting their hands up, playing well consistently and merit a look in within the senior set up to see can they hold their own in such an environment. Personally, I'm touting for inclusion in the McGrath Cup panel to see if this gradual step can be passed. If so... include in the extended league panel. Not many make the jump year one or even year two... it took Paudie and Seanie two years before they made the breakthrough .. that is the reality for the majority.... DC being the exception
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Post by dodgyknees on Nov 15, 2022 12:05:39 GMT
You's imagine that Paudie and DC will miss a portion of the league next year if not most of it. Will definitely give more game time to some of the younger forwards trying to establish themselves on the panel.
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Post by mike70 on Nov 15, 2022 15:28:31 GMT
Lads I definitely like a few of the names , but we need some perspective, spraying balls around in a junior or intermediate game is a long way from inter county, but for sure some talent there that could develop. Mike, I don't think for one minute that any of the names mentioned will be on our starting XV come dry sod this year, I think it more these players are putting their hands up, playing well consistently and merit a look in within the senior set up to see can they hold their own in such an environment. Personally, I'm touting for inclusion in the McGrath Cup panel to see if this gradual step can be passed. If so... include in the extended league panel. Not many make the jump year one or even year two... it took Paudie and Seanie two years before they made the breakthrough .. that is the reality for the majority.... DC being the exception In full agreement horsebox. Like to see a few of them lads getting game time , but also within a balanced team.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Nov 15, 2022 16:17:02 GMT
Mike, I don't think for one minute that any of the names mentioned will be on our starting XV come dry sod this year, I think it more these players are putting their hands up, playing well consistently and merit a look in within the senior set up to see can they hold their own in such an environment. Personally, I'm touting for inclusion in the McGrath Cup panel to see if this gradual step can be passed. If so... include in the extended league panel. Not many make the jump year one or even year two... it took Paudie and Seanie two years before they made the breakthrough .. that is the reality for the majority.... DC being the exception In full agreement horsebox. Like to see a few of them lads getting game time , but also within a balanced team. All part of the 'what do you think of that Joe Brolly' conundrummer! BTW how many ever played Intercounty Senior while still minors? A good few went straight in - sure we were accused of bringing 2 minor teams in '75, be jazus but aren't some bucks so observant!
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Post by An Ciarraíoch Taistealaíoch on Nov 15, 2022 23:43:55 GMT
From the halycon days when skellig and st Michaels foilmore were winning all Ireland club titles on the same weekend and south Kerry were winning county titles I know look on enviously where the power has definitely shifted to East Kerry .3 east Kerry clubs won county titles last weekend added to the county titles won at U20 and senior level.It is why the Kerry senior team and u20 teams will be dominated by players from that region for years to come.Before we start moaning in other districts maybe as clubs we can try and copy and emulate what these clubs are doing in a district that will have 4 senior club teams 6 intermediate teams and 1 premier junior team in 2023 .A lot of these clubs are half the size of other clubs spread throughout the county . I would have thought it is as much a numbers game as anything else? I am open to correction here but hasSouth Kerry's population dropped (or possibly aged) in the last 20 years? Think back to Colaiste na Sceilige heyday, I think the school had double the student population that it has now? I heard that Kilgarvan u12s comprehensively beat an amalgamation of Mary's/Renard/Valentia during the summer. This would have been unthinkable 10 years ago! Granted Kilgarvan has The Crop that areas get every now and again, similar to the great SK team of the Mid/late 00s. Rural depopulation is having an effect on GAA clubs, Bally has posted about this before. Templenoe/Tousist/Sneem/Derrynane play together underage also. 20 years ago, Sneem/Derrynane used play against Templenoe/Kilgarvan (occasionally Tousist were in the combination), now they play together. I thought that Remote Working would turn the tide but it seems that nearly all offices have returned to the office over the past few months. Killarney is a very large town with numerous employment options, these clubs you refer to a are all within 30 mins drive of them! Imagine if the the Cliffords' parents worked in Waterville and had settled in Derrynane... I know I have gone from your point of "emulating what these clubs are doing" but I feel it is a consideration. Hopefully I'm not coming across as moaning, if so it was not my intention. PS How long til the next generation of that iconic SK team come online? PPS I am open to correction on any of my points if I am incorrect. It is based on my own observations which I reckon are not as close to South Kerry as yours are!
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Post by sullyschoice on Nov 16, 2022 0:14:21 GMT
I was shocked to see four clubs amalgamating to put out a minor team. Especially when one of those clubs is senior. But then again if the population is not there it's not there.
It's a far cry from up here in Dublin where my club have 3 girls minor teams and similar with the lads. It's nearly like crowd control with our underage structures. Hardly a bad complaint.
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Post by onlykerry on Nov 16, 2022 10:58:56 GMT
If you want to see the future look at the underage setup - this years football championship at minor level saw only 5 clubs fielding a team with the remaining 7 sides in the competition being divisional sides. To me the challenge for every club is to foster and develop their underage activity as that is what will decide their ability to have a senior team. I think its alarming that a county with nigh on 60 clubs our minor championship had only 12 teams.
Some "bigger" clubs like Rahillys, Dingle and Mitchels have not competed in Division 1 of underage competitions in the past 5/6 years to the best of my knowledge - this is the pipeline for the senior sides.
Not enough imagination is being put into underage and in particular minor & u20 grades and the lack of interest will ultimately come back to haunt Kerry football.
Change is a constant - how we manage it is not.
P.S. John Mitchels competed in 15 senior county finals in their first 50 years but only 1 in the most recent 50 years.
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Post by glengael on Nov 16, 2022 11:24:11 GMT
From the halycon days when skellig and st Michaels foilmore were winning all Ireland club titles on the same weekend and south Kerry were winning county titles I know look on enviously where the power has definitely shifted to East Kerry .3 east Kerry clubs won county titles last weekend added to the county titles won at U20 and senior level.It is why the Kerry senior team and u20 teams will be dominated by players from that region for years to come.Before we start moaning in other districts maybe as clubs we can try and copy and emulate what these clubs are doing in a district that will have 4 senior club teams 6 intermediate teams and 1 premier junior team in 2023 .A lot of these clubs are half the size of other clubs spread throughout the county . I would have thought it is as much a numbers game as anything else? I am open to correction here but hasSouth Kerry's population dropped (or possibly aged) in the last 20 years? Think back to Colaiste na Sceilige heyday, I think the school had double the student population that it has now? I heard that Kilgarvan u12s comprehensively beat an amalgamation of Mary's/Renard/Valentia during the summer. This would have been unthinkable 10 years ago! Granted Kilgarvan has The Crop that areas get every now and again, similar to the great SK team of the Mid/late 00s. Rural depopulation is having an effect on GAA clubs, Bally has posted about this before. Templenoe/Tousist/Sneem/Derrynane play together underage also. 20 years ago, Sneem/Derrynane used play against Templenoe/Kilgarvan (occasionally Tousist were in the combination), now they play together. I thought that Remote Working would turn the tide but it seems that nearly all offices have returned to the office over the past few months. Killarney is a very large town with numerous employment options, these clubs you refer to a are all within 30 mins drive of them! Imagine if the the Cliffords' parents worked in Waterville and had settled in Derrynane... I know I have gone from your point of "emulating what these clubs are doing" but I feel it is a consideration. Hopefully I'm not coming across as moaning, if so it was not my intention. PS How long til the next generation of that iconic SK team come online? PPS I am open to correction on any of my points if I am incorrect. It is based on my own observations which I reckon are not as close to South Kerry as yours are! The more detailed 2022 Census results will tell a tale when they come out. The middle of the county- Miltown, Listry, Faha, Firies should all be having a rise in underage numbers judging by the volume of houses built there over the past 15/20 years (even if you got only 50% of those children). Many people were and are priced out of Killarney & surrounds and Mid Kerry was affordable and close to Tralee & Killarney for work. Remote working would need to be on a far greater scale than it is presently to stem the tide from rural areas in any meaningful way. Would you believe I was in beautiful Derrynane over the Bank Holiday and I said exactly the same thing to my companion - imagine if this was the Cliffords home club...
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Post by kerrysouth on Nov 16, 2022 19:11:54 GMT
Good discussion some excellent points made and raised and yes the demographics are changing and rural depopulation is the scourge of south Kerry
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Post by homerj on Nov 17, 2022 11:42:01 GMT
county board needs to set up a 10-20 year plan to keep GAA alive in Rural Kerry. this involves training camps, expenses etc for people based say in Dublin and inventives to keep playing. set up a Kerry GAA club in Dublin that get despensations to play challenge games etc mid week and official training groups.
would love to see how many players have transferred out of Kerry to clubs in Dublin or Cork, over the last decade.
clubs need to do better also.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Nov 17, 2022 12:44:25 GMT
county board needs to set up a 10-20 year plan to keep GAA alive in Rural Kerry. this involves training camps, expenses etc for people based say in Dublin and inventives to keep playing. set up a Kerry GAA club in Dublin that get despensations to play challenge games etc mid week and official training groups. would love to see how many players have transferred out of Kerry to clubs in Dublin or Cork, over the last decade. clubs need to do better also. 100% I have been saying this for over a decade, there should be regional training bases set up for club players. Players would happily pay €2-5 per night for a decent level of training.
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Post by onlykerry on Nov 18, 2022 10:39:38 GMT
county board needs to set up a 10-20 year plan to keep GAA alive in Rural Kerry. this involves training camps, expenses etc for people based say in Dublin and inventives to keep playing. set up a Kerry GAA club in Dublin that get despensations to play challenge games etc mid week and official training groups. would love to see how many players have transferred out of Kerry to clubs in Dublin or Cork, over the last decade. clubs need to do better also. 100% I have been saying this for over a decade, there should be regional training bases set up for club players. Players would happily pay €2-5 per night for a decent level of training. That is one option but it is another layer that requires admin and it will end up competing with the multitude of other demands placed on kids. I still remember the juggling act that went on with my own teenagers when they were involved in multiple activities. There just weren't enough days in the week to attend all the training and matches that went on, particularly with the more talented kids who were pulled and dragged by too many would be Alex Ferguson's or Mick O Dwyer's. A simpler solution would be to have the county board training and development team more involved with schools - but my understanding is some schools have been very resistant to this - remember most school teams are made up of multiple clubs and long gone are the days when only the Sem and the Green competed in the A level schools competitions. By adding a county development strand to the school system you get access to a huge number of youngsters without adding another layer.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Nov 18, 2022 11:47:18 GMT
The pooling of training sessions with conditioning coaches/GDOs is something that I suggested before.
Having S&C sessions run at a district level so as to give as many players as possible exposure to high level coaching.
A lot of teams are still coached by parents who wouldn’t have the expertise in certain fields- maybe they have started doing this?
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Post by onlykerry on Nov 22, 2022 9:39:08 GMT
Three Kerry sides take to the field this coming Sunday in Munster Semi Final action - all games throw in at 1pm.
Rahillys take on Eire Of of Ennis in Austin Stacks park is the only "home" game for the three.
Rathmore travel to Pairc Ui Chaoimh to take on their near neighbours Kanturk.
Fossa take on Castlemahon in the wilds of Coolyroe (Drumcollogher road out of Newcastlewest) where the Cliffords will be going up against the Seamus Flanagan led Castlemahon side.
All three games are being streamed according to the Munster GAA website.
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Post by veteran on Nov 22, 2022 20:36:17 GMT
Onlykerry and I exchanged a couple of posts this am. I am unable to locate them.
I wonder if Moderator could confirm if they have been deleted?
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