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Post by tpo on May 4, 2022 14:19:10 GMT
With an agreed starting 15 now time to pick 11 subs
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Post by Whosinmidfield on May 4, 2022 14:32:22 GMT
With an agreed starting 15 now time to pick 11 subs Shane Murphy Tony Brosnan Stephen O’Brien David Moran Joe O’Connor Paul Murphy Killian Spillane Gavin Crowley Dylan Casey Jack Savage Michael Burns/Stefan Okunbor
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Post by keane on May 4, 2022 14:57:27 GMT
Jeez it would be great if Stefan was going well enough to warrant some minutes.
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Post by tpo on May 4, 2022 15:10:35 GMT
We seem very light on sub defenders,
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Post by peanuts on May 4, 2022 16:02:49 GMT
Demand is surprisingly high enough by all accounts, considering the time, venue and day of the event as opposed to the opposition. Usually Kerry/Cork would draw a crowd, I genuinely think the the venue has had an effect, but I think more the day.. Saturday for me has more a feel of league fixture, as opposed to 3pm on a Summer Sunday and Killarney or PúC rocking with an edge to it. Still when the ball is tossed in all could change, any confirmation of a ref for the occasion? Brendan Cawley from Kildare, can't recall him reffing a Kerry game before
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Post by horsebox77 on May 4, 2022 16:03:30 GMT
A completely alternative XV is: Murphy, O'Donoghue, Crowley, Casey, Murphy, Okunbor, Warren, Moran, Joe Connor, Burns, Savage, Horan, Killian, Brosnan and O'Brien.
Nice panel amassed.
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Post by buck02 on May 4, 2022 16:14:47 GMT
Demand is surprisingly high enough by all accounts, considering the time, venue and day of the event as opposed to the opposition. Usually Kerry/Cork would draw a crowd, I genuinely think the the venue has had an effect, but I think more the day.. Saturday for me has more a feel of league fixture, as opposed to 3pm on a Summer Sunday and Killarney or PúC rocking with an edge to it. Still when the ball is tossed in all could change, any confirmation of a ref for the occasion? Brendan Cawley from Kildare, can't recall him reffing a Kerry game before Pretty sure he reffed the Mayo game in Tralee.
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Post by buck02 on May 4, 2022 16:17:33 GMT
If Moran is fit I'd start him with DOC.
My forwards for this game would be Moynihan, Seanie, 2 Clifford's, Geaney and either O Brien or Brosnan.
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Post by keane on May 4, 2022 16:29:45 GMT
I think we were rinsed enough a few times during the league that I'd be pessimistic about our MF unless David Moran is moving well. Himself and JB have had a decent partnership over the years. I wonder would you be looking at an upgrade if you were to move DOC to wing forward in place of Spillane, or is Spillane's doggedness too hard to replace.
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Post by horsebox77 on May 4, 2022 16:50:35 GMT
I think we were rinsed enough a few times during the league that I'd be pessimistic about our MF unless David Moran is moving well. Himself and JB have had a decent partnership over the years. I wonder would you be looking at an upgrade if you were to move DOC to wing forward in place of Spillane, or is Spillane's doggedness too hard to replace. I think certain players have found a new lease of life under Jack, mainly Foley, Morley and more so Adrain. I think he has been outstanding on the turnover count as well as being the outlet for our defence and keeper. When DOC was black carded against Mayo in League Final, he made himself available time and time again for Ryan.
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Post by keane on May 4, 2022 16:54:32 GMT
I think we were rinsed enough a few times during the league that I'd be pessimistic about our MF unless David Moran is moving well. Himself and JB have had a decent partnership over the years. I wonder would you be looking at an upgrade if you were to move DOC to wing forward in place of Spillane, or is Spillane's doggedness too hard to replace. I think certain players have found a new lease of life under Jack, mainly Foley, Morley and more so Adrain. I think he has been outstanding on the turnover count as well as being the outlet for our defence and keeper. When DOC was black carded against Mayo in League Final, he made himself available time and time again for Ryan. Yeah in fairness if it was this time last year I'd be basically saying he'd be a pick of last resort at WF and he has totally changed my mind to the point where I'm wondering if you could even do without him in order to fit in a guy like DOC. He deserves a pile of credit.
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Post by Mickmack on May 4, 2022 17:21:56 GMT
I think certain players have found a new lease of life under Jack, mainly Foley, Morley and more so Adrain. I think he has been outstanding on the turnover count as well as being the outlet for our defence and keeper. When DOC was black carded against Mayo in League Final, he made himself available time and time again for Ryan. Yeah in fairness if it was this time last year I'd be basically saying he'd be a pick of last resort at WF and he has totally changed my mind to the point where I'm wondering if you could even do without him in order to fit in a guy like DOC. He deserves a pile of credit. Adrian kicked 2 points in the league final v Mayo and he created that goal for Brosnan in Tralee against Mayo. If he continues in that vein it will be massive. I think we can carry one non scoring member of the half forward line. As said above he really stepped up when Kerry went down to 14 men in the league final. I would start him every time now. But...we need the other two half forwards to be scorers...or we neec scores to come from somewhere other than the FF line. Last year the Tyrone fullback line scored more from play than our HF line.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2022 17:29:52 GMT
I would have been a skeptic on Spillane also but he has done well to date. Having said that, I would not be too surprised if he lost his starting spot at some stage this summer given the midfield and forward options we have.
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Post by Mickmack on May 4, 2022 17:41:25 GMT
With an agreed starting 15 now time to pick 11 subs Shane Murphy Tony Brosnan Stephen O’Brien David Moran Joe O’Connor Paul Murphy Killian Spillane Gavin Crowley Dylan Casey Jack Savage Michael Burns/Stefan Okunbor I cant really envisage Micheal Burns troubling the scoreboard that much in the key knockout games in Croke Park. Kicking long range points isnt his game and not sure he has the vision to be crestive force. I would love to be proven wrong.
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Post by royalkerryfan on May 4, 2022 17:46:22 GMT
I would have been a skeptic on Spillane also but he has done well to date. Having said that, I would not be too surprised if he lost his starting spot at some stage this summer given the midfield and forward options we have. I don't think so, He give us something the others don't, a bit of edge and fight. We need that combative player around the middle.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2022 17:51:31 GMT
I would have been a skeptic on Spillane also but he has done well to date. Having said that, I would not be too surprised if he lost his starting spot at some stage this summer given the midfield and forward options we have. I don't think so, He give us something the others don't, a bit of edge and fight. We need that combative player around the middle. We’ll see, we need a lot of things around the middle. Adrian is not exactly an unknown quantity, he has plenty of positive attributes but also some limitations and the ultimate test will come later in the summer.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2022 17:59:02 GMT
Shane Murphy Tony Brosnan Stephen O’Brien David Moran Joe O’Connor Paul Murphy Killian Spillane Gavin Crowley Dylan Casey Jack Savage Michael Burns/Stefan Okunbor I cant really envisage Micheal Burns troubling the scoreboard that much in the key knockout games in Croke Park. Kicking long range points isnt his game and not sure he has the vision to be crestive force. I would love to be proven wrong. I have a feeling he is a player Jack likes so will get opportunities I think.
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Post by greengold35 on May 4, 2022 18:28:00 GMT
If Moran is fit I'd start him with DOC. My forwards for this game would be Moynihan, Seanie, 2 Clifford's, Geaney and either O Brien or Brosnan. Moran is good to go by all accounts. On the ticket front, news in Cork is that there is little or no interest with a lot of clubs finding it hard to get takers.
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Post by veteran on May 4, 2022 18:53:46 GMT
Brendan Cawley from Kildare, can't recall him reffing a Kerry game before Pretty sure he reffed the Mayo game in Tralee. He did and my recall is that he was brutal from a Kerry standpoint.
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Post by tpo on May 4, 2022 18:54:22 GMT
Real hard luck on Dan O’Donoghue, Its 10 week since he got injured
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Post by The16thMan on May 4, 2022 19:57:20 GMT
Demand is surprisingly high enough by all accounts, considering the time, venue and day of the event as opposed to the opposition. Usually Kerry/Cork would draw a crowd, I genuinely think the the venue has had an effect, but I think more the day.. Saturday for me has more a feel of league fixture, as opposed to 3pm on a Summer Sunday and Killarney or PúC rocking with an edge to it. Still when the ball is tossed in all could change, any confirmation of a ref for the occasion? Brendan Cawley from Kildare, can't recall him reffing a Kerry game before Indeed he did, I thought he was very poor on the night. Kept Mayo in the game that night by awarding soft frees that Ryan O'Donoghue converted. Didn't award Kerry much of those frees.
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Post by horsebox77 on May 4, 2022 20:10:32 GMT
Pretty sure he reffed the Mayo game in Tralee. He did and my recall is that he was brutal from a Kerry standpoint. He was shocking against Mayo and more or less handed the man of the match award to O'Donoghue. The night was bad which may have made things awkward but still he wasn't endearing himself to the home masses that night
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Post by tpo on May 4, 2022 20:58:52 GMT
He reffed the U21 Kerry v Galway which Galway won, Jack not happy with him then.
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Post by Kerryman Randy Savage on May 4, 2022 21:23:56 GMT
Brendan Cawley from Kildare, can't recall him reffing a Kerry game before Indeed he did, I thought he was very poor on the night. Kept Mayo in the game that night by awarding soft frees that Ryan O'Donoghue converted. Didn't award Kerry much of those frees. How Aidan O'Shea's sliding tackle about 15 minutes in was never punished is beyond me? Ball kicked out to Aidan who tried to solo and the ball bounced away and he slid in to injury one of the Kerry lads in front of the stand. I rewatched it on RTÉ that evening and they showed a replay of rhe previous attack so when they cut back a Kerry player was on the ground in pain. TG4 do restarts miles better than the Donnybrook crowd
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Post by Mickmack on May 5, 2022 7:57:54 GMT
I didn't notice the ref in that chaotic game played in awful conditions.
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Post by taggert on May 5, 2022 8:12:50 GMT
I would have been a skeptic on Spillane also but he has done well to date. Having said that, I would not be too surprised if he lost his starting spot at some stage this summer given the midfield and forward options we have. I don't think so, He give us something the others don't, a bit of edge and fight. We need that combative player around the middle. Going on the league, he is a banker to start the championship. His achilles heel in previous years has been being decidedly one-paced and this has seen him lose out come championship on the harder and quicker grounds, unable to cope against marauding half backs who are primed for galloping. He added a lot to the team in the league - tough tackling, winning turnovers and dirty ball. Will be interesting to see if he/Kerry have a gameplan that capitalises on his strengths but doesn't leave him exposed to quicker players.
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Post by Mickmack on May 5, 2022 9:18:00 GMT
ED, 04 MAY, 2022 - 16:10 Cork v Kerry: Injuries a constant issue for Cork football teams '
DEREK DALY
WHEN watching the Cork U20s recent loss to Kerry in Tralee one could not help but think we were witnessing something we would see repeated when the seniors locked horns.
There had only been a point in it as late as the 53rd minute only for the home bench to grab a hold of proceedings to rattle off the last six points, to seal what was in the end a deserved 1-11 to 0-7 victory.
But, one can’t help thinking that it could have been different had the Cork U20s not suffered from the same type of crippling injury list that the senior team seems to have permanently on the go.
This U20 side should have been the minor crew from the brilliant 2019 minor All-Ireland victory over Galway, but for one reason or another only four of the starting fifteen from that All-Ireland Final featured against Kerry, with Clonakilty’s Dan Peet, Ballinora centre-back Neil Lordan, Carbery Rangers midfielder Keelan Scannell and Éire Óg’s Hugh Murphy being the four.
That is a staggering drop-off in the space of three years.
Sure, Patrick Campbell’s fledgling professional rugby career meant that he was never going to be an option, and Jack Cahalane was concentrating on hurling only at the grade this year, but that still leaves a lot of players unavailable due to injury.
Not for the first time, the question has to be asked as to why so many of Cork’s talented young footballers are breaking down at such an early age?
It does seem to happen on far higher a frequency than in other counties, and until an answer is found to this then Cork will not be emerging as a force in the game anytime soon.
As well as the aforementioned two, the Cork attack in Tralee was also down Michael O’Neill, Conor Corbett and Hugh O’Connor.
Combine all those with the likes of Ryan O’Donovan and Colin Walsh and you would have a tasty looking forward line at this grade, but it was not to be.
The middle eight options would have been further bolstered by the availability of Jack Lawton, Ciaran O’Sullivan and Eoghan Nash, while Daniel Lenihan and Cian O’Leary in defence were badly missed too.
And the reason why we have referenced the recent Munster U20 decider reversal is because it will probably mirror what is about to occur at senior level this weekend when Kerry visit Páirc Uí Rinn for the much-publicised Munster Championship clash.
Cork may have won the battle to have the game at their secondary ground, but the real war starts now, and they must do so in the knowledge that they are nowhere near full strength.
Being without the likes of Sean Meehan, Sean Powter (who is thankfully due back this Saturday) and Ian Maguire mean the core of the side has been ripped out and given the respective spring form of both sides, it would appear to be a mismatch on paper.
Cork retained their Division 2 status by the skin of their teeth with a narrow win over Offaly while Kerry sauntered to a bloodless league 1 triumph over Mayo in Croke Park.
The form guide was not helped by Offaly’s subsequent championship defeat to Division 4 outfit Wexford. The two teams would appear to be at different levels at present.
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A whole bunch of Cork players are attempting to rush back from their own injuries in order to bolster the ranks for the weekend.
These include Maurice Shanley, Paul Walsh, Killian O’Hanlon, Brian Hartnett, Brian Hayes and Damien Gore, who all have had either restricted or no campaign to date. It is a lot to ask for them to come in with little or no prep and perform at this level.
You would imagine that last July’s 4-22 to 1-19 Munster Final defeat in Killarney will occupy a considerable amount of Cork’s thoughts in the build-up and will likely define how Cork approach the game.
Like the U20s in Tralee Cork are likely to try and get plenty of players behind the ball in an attempt to restrict Kerry’s scoring opportunities. The obvious trade-off in taking such an approach is that this would scupper your own attacking ambitions.
Cork will be looking to make this a dogfight. Of course, if Kerry were to build an early lead the fear would be that this Cork team currently does not have the ammunition to dominate enough around the middle to mount a fightback.
Cork have been accused of having no fight by one of Kerry’s most famous sons. Even without their main leaders, they will have to show plenty of it this weekend.
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Post by Joxer on May 5, 2022 9:44:24 GMT
Derek has put a little bit of a gloss on the scoreline from last years Munster Final...adding 10pts to the actual Cork score still leaves them losing by 12pts but reads a lot better than it was!
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Post by The16thMan on May 5, 2022 9:44:28 GMT
I find there has been little to no build up to this game. Even the talkshows and podcasts have barely mentioned the game. Usually Cork v Kerry would be the first thing on people's lips when you meet. Even in these times it's still up there with the biggest rivalries in the game. I'm not sure are people not just bothered anymore or what is the situation. This is the only place to find any sort of discussion on it. Very little local colour or anything like you would have seen before. I'm a bit disappointed if I'm honest. Maybe I'm expecting a bit much but people could be forgiven for forgetting there was a match on with the lack of hype. Not sure what to think but I personally am looking forward to it. Cíarraí Abú 🟢🟡
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Post by thehermit on May 5, 2022 12:24:02 GMT
I find there has been little to no build up to this game. Even the talkshows and podcasts have barely mentioned the game. Usually Cork v Kerry would be the first thing on people's lips when you meet. Even in these times it's still up there with the biggest rivalries in the game. I'm not sure are people not just bothered anymore or what is the situation. This is the only place to find any sort of discussion on it. Very little local colour or anything like you would have seen before. I'm a bit disappointed if I'm honest. Maybe I'm expecting a bit much but people could be forgiven for forgetting there was a match on with the lack of hype. Not sure what to think but I personally am looking forward to it. Cíarraí Abú 🟢🟡 As an analogy I remember in the mid to late 2000s when Munster v Leinster was as big as Ireland playing England or France in the 6 Nations. Remember the campaigns to get temporary exemptions from Good Friday licensing laws for the pubs in Limerick because one year the match was on that day. In the last five years the shine has gone off the fixture big time because, alas, Leinster have completely dominated it as Munster have fallen away from being one of the top 2-4 teams in Europe.
Same thing has happened with Kerry/Cork albeit it grates a good bit more given the far deeper history and wider sporting constituency the GAA has compared to rugby.
Its hard to have the same buzz and sense of excitement when one side is so dominant and the other feels its just turning up to be sent packing. At present Kerry could play Cork twenty times and though there might be one outlier of a performance like the draw in 2015 or the 2020 debacle, Kerry should/would thump them the other 95% of the time.
Saturday may give us another outlier but going on all know form not just this past year but the past seven years this Kerry team should be as worried about Cork as they would be about Waterford.*
* There's a hostage to fortune that I hope doesn't come back to bite me on the ass come 9pm on Saturday!!
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