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Post by The16thMan on Mar 14, 2022 1:22:16 GMT
Our penultimate game in the league (barring a potential final of course) is away to Armagh this Sunday at 2pm. A win for Kerry 100% gurantees them a place in the final with the head to head records we have over other teams.. However, I definitely fear this game as the most loseable so far, hopefully I'm wrong. The Athletic Grounds pitch was like a mudbath for their game vs Kildare on Saturday night and doubt it will be much better come Sunday. The pitch will not suit Kerrys kicking game. Armagh are a team in form and looking for a league final place themselves. Jerome Henry (Mayo) is the referee, he's the man who was involved with the big controversy in the Connacht club championship. Armagh won't lie down off Kerry and Donaghy will have McGeeney well informed on how best to play against us. I see this as being anybodys game. Would like to see Joe O'Connor get the chance to lead out the team in this game for the 1st time if he's fit enough. Kerry struggled at midfield (with no thanks to Murphys kickouts) so he should be explored as another option.
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Post by dc84 on Mar 14, 2022 8:02:56 GMT
The game on Saturday vs mayo was the most loseable! Armagh should be a good test to be fair mcgeaney has done a good job with them.
I agree on Joe o connor , we should play as many of the newer lads as is possible graham sull, casey Joe o connor Greg horan,brosnan, warren etc.
I think Jack will drop paudie he wasn't great vs mayo and the free will have angered jack no end it smacked of ego David letting the brother take a free to get his name on the scoreboard.
Id say he gave the 2 of them a fair talking to!
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Post by mike70 on Mar 14, 2022 8:41:33 GMT
I be going with strong team against Armagh, win and secure final place and rest lads up for Tyrone game, giving extended a panel a good run out.
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Post by dc84 on Mar 14, 2022 8:47:27 GMT
I hear what you are saying but i don't think it would necessarily weaken us that much tbh by playing Casey, brosnan graham, and Joe o connor at least maybe o brien or burns aswell.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Mar 14, 2022 9:58:03 GMT
DC can't understand your comment about Paidi very unfair comment actually.
Regarding Armagh this will be our toughest test for our defense.
I assume Jason will pick up ONeill and that will certainly be a challenge.
Looking forward to this as it's a hour up the road and I told its a lovely ground.
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Post by mike70 on Mar 14, 2022 10:27:30 GMT
Paudie is looking a bit tired , I would rest him next week , no more than that, I agree we need to give game time to fellas, but we need to do it but at the same time ensuring we maintain our game plan, I think 4 to 5 changes is enough, we want the players getting a run, to play in our system, because that’s what we will want end of the day.
I think the management will get the balance right, but I would still like to secure a final place on Sunday, do they Tyrone game is not critical and we can rest some of our bigger players like David.
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Post by tpo on Mar 14, 2022 10:36:00 GMT
The forecast for next Sunday is very good, so looking forward to a good game.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2022 11:03:20 GMT
Paudie is looking a bit tired , I would rest him next week , no more than that, I agree we need to give game time to fellas, but we need to do it but at the same time ensuring we maintain our game plan, I think 4 to 5 changes is enough, we want the players getting a run, to play in our system, because that’s what we will want end of the day. I think the management will get the balance right, but I would still like to secure a final place on Sunday, do they Tyrone game is not critical and we can rest some of our bigger players like David. that's a good idea, try and get the final place sewn up against Armagh and rest a load of lads against Tyrone because the final is the following week. |
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Post by Ballyfireside on Mar 14, 2022 11:24:15 GMT
Paudie is looking a bit tired , I would rest him next week , no more than that, I agree we need to give game time to fellas, but we need to do it but at the same time ensuring we maintain our game plan, I think 4 to 5 changes is enough, we want the players getting a run, to play in our system, because that’s what we will want end of the day. I think the management will get the balance right, but I would still like to secure a final place on Sunday, do they Tyrone game is not critical and we can rest some of our bigger players like David. that's a good idea, try and get the final place sewn up against Armagh and rest a load of lads against Tyrone because the final is the following week. Did Monaghan take a rest against us to prepare for Dgal yesterday, just like Dgal did with us when facing Tyrone 7 days later? The trough in the respective form was obvious. Dubs vs Dgal will be an interesting encounter and maybe Dgal were at it again vs Monaghan having pulled a win vs Tyrone out of nowhere. Or maybe it is all to do with a combination of PCSD (Post Covid Stress Disorder), League experimenting, etc. |
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Post by dc84 on Mar 14, 2022 11:32:07 GMT
DC can't understand your comment about Paidi very unfair comment actually. Regarding Armagh this will be our toughest test for our defense. I assume Jason will pick up ONeill and that will certainly be a challenge. Looking forward to this as it's a hour up the road and I told its a lovely ground. Fair enough just my opinion which part in particular? If its the not playing well fair enough, on the free I stand over its the only explanation unless David felt a twinge and didn't fancy it. Paudie would be down the list of free takers savage, brosnan or killian shouldve taken it. Also its a very mild criticism on my part he has been fantastic for us I just think Jack will lay down the law |
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Post by royalkerryfan on Mar 14, 2022 11:40:26 GMT
DC can't understand your comment about Paidi very unfair comment actually. Regarding Armagh this will be our toughest test for our defense. I assume Jason will pick up ONeill and that will certainly be a challenge. Looking forward to this as it's a hour up the road and I told its a lovely ground. Fair enough just my opinion which part in particular? If its the not playing well fair enough, on the free I stand over its the only explanation unless David felt a twinge and didn't fancy it. Paudie would be down the list of free takers savage, brosnan or killian shouldve taken it. Also its a very mild criticism on my part he has been fantastic for us I just think Jack will lay down the law Taking the free smacked of ego and that Jack should drop him. Personally if Seanie is still out then there's no way he can be dropped as he is a huge worker on that team. One poor game which in my mind he didn't have shouldn't warrant being dropped either. |
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Post by dc84 on Mar 14, 2022 13:18:14 GMT
Fair enough just my opinion which part in particular? If its the not playing well fair enough, on the free I stand over its the only explanation unless David felt a twinge and didn't fancy it. Paudie would be down the list of free takers savage, brosnan or killian shouldve taken it. Also its a very mild criticism on my part he has been fantastic for us I just think Jack will lay down the law Taking the free smacked of ego and that Jack should drop him. Personally if Seanie is still out then there's no way he can be dropped as he is a huge worker on that team. One poor game which in my mind he didn't have shouldn't warrant being dropped either. If it's not ego (not paudies by the way) then I don't know what to call it the fact that Jack referenced it after meant it his name was never down to take a scoreable free. Rotated is a better word I think ! If it was a championship game 100% he starts I don't see the harm in trying savage or burns for example in that role and if the work rate isnt there they get taken off and learn a lesson. |
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Post by peanuts on Mar 14, 2022 13:19:30 GMT
Was Paudie himself fouled for the free? If so, I wouldn't have an issue with him taking the free, it would be really be the same as a mark and he should have scored regardless. Thankfully it didn't cost us on Saturday night and hopefully it will ensure that none of the lads make the same mistake.
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Post by mike70 on Mar 14, 2022 13:41:07 GMT
Lads we are over playing this, Paudie is nothing but pure honesty and hard work, reality he should have popped it over, was 14 yards out, savage was on frees that side, he was off, just a bit untidy by all concerned, frees need to be practiced and I am sure Paudie does not practice , so the group (incl management)need to learn and not make the mistake again and I have no doubt they will, move on.
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Post by horsebox77 on Mar 14, 2022 14:25:12 GMT
Looking ahead to this one I can see one or two changes, this may increase depending on the seriousness of knocks taken to Adrain and Graham that forced them off.
If I had the selectors hat: Ryan, Casey, Foley, Tom Sull, Graham, Tadgh, O'Beagleoich, Diarmuid, Joe, Adrain, Paudie, Dara, O'Brien, Clifford and Tony.
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Post by givehimaball on Mar 14, 2022 14:28:32 GMT
Paudie is looking a bit tired , I would rest him next week , no more than that, I agree we need to give game time to fellas, but we need to do it but at the same time ensuring we maintain our game plan, I think 4 to 5 changes is enough, we want the players getting a run, to play in our system, because that’s what we will want end of the day. I think the management will get the balance right, but I would still like to secure a final place on Sunday, do they Tyrone game is not critical and we can rest some of our bigger players like David. that's a good idea, try and get the final place sewn up against Armagh and rest a load of lads against Tyrone because the final is the following week. The odds of Kerry not getting to the final are small enough after Saturday night's result. I think it would make more sense to do more of the rotation against Armagh (who are one of the two candidates we can meet in the final) as opposed to against Tyrone - who even if they beat Mayo next week and if Kildare lose, will more than likely be coming to Killarney still facing the possibility of relegation. |
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Post by mike70 on Mar 14, 2022 15:00:20 GMT
You don’t look a gift horse in the mouth, take the final place as early as possible, or it might not arrive. No guarantee either way , but like to be fresh going into a final, not having to do battle with Tyrone, which can be a physical affair.
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Post by taggert on Mar 14, 2022 15:29:39 GMT
I agree, a few tweaks against Armagh but go all out to clinch a final spot. As it is, I think this will be a good test - big home following seeking a big scalp and they have a good mix of skill and braun.
Would love to play Tyrone and be able to rest Clifford for example - and play a few fringe players and let them tear into Tyrone.
Ideally, would rather preserve our game plan until/if we meet them later in the summer. As we saw last year, we gained nothing from the league win. One difference of course will be they need the points this time round.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Mar 14, 2022 18:16:12 GMT
Looking ahead to this one I can see one or two changes, this may increase depending on the seriousness of knocks taken to Adrain and Graham that forced them off. If I had the selectors hat: Ryan, Casey, Foley, Tom Sull, Graham, Tadgh, O'Beagleoich, Diarmuid, Joe, Adrain, Paudie, Dara, O'Brien, Clifford and Tony. Good team horse same as what I’d like to see except I think Gavin Crowley deserves another start. He’s still in the mix for a wing back position so I’d start him instead of Beaglaoich for this one. Also since Armagh kick in the most high ball into the full forward of any team, it might be worth looking at how Shane Murphy fares against that. |
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Post by givehimaball on Mar 14, 2022 20:21:57 GMT
The full Armagh v Kildare game is up on GAAGo CatchUp page for anyone who's interested in having a look at Armagh before next weekend.
I'm nearly 100% that it's available for free.
I had a GAAGo account last year but I didn't sign up this year.
I think all of the games BBC NI broadcast are available for free up there.
I watched two of the BBCNI games but I forgot about the catchup service.
I'm nearly certain the hurlers game against Down on Saturday at 2pm will be available on GAAGO as well.
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Post by thehermit on Mar 14, 2022 22:24:23 GMT
Looking forward to taking a novel spin up to Armagh for this one. It would be fairly close to where I'm currently exiled to.
Its not often we cross paths with the Orchard county these days, was it 2012 or 13 they were last in D1 and down playing us on a Saturday night in Tralee. I recall we were fairly woeful that night and Armagh won with a bit to spare.
Anyone ever been up to the Athletics Ground whats the parking situation like? Looks as if the ground is surrounded by housing estates judging by google maps.
I didn't realise that the League final was so close, including Saturday we will be playing 4 straight weekends in a row if we make the decider. So a bit of rotation and giving some lads a weekend's rest will be vital over the next 21 days.
My inclination would be to make a couple of changes for Sunday but still go hard for a result given it should be a great challenge. If we get something make wholesale changes for Tyrone with an eye on the final.
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Post by horsebox77 on Mar 14, 2022 22:46:37 GMT
I see that Mayo and Tyrone is Saturday night. Tg4 will have three games, nothing mentioned online for the 1400hrs or 1730hrs slot. Dublin and Donegal is listed for the 1530hrs.
What games are on tg4 and RTE 2 this weekend - There is both codes this weekend ya?
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Post by dano on Mar 14, 2022 22:48:05 GMT
I'd imagine it'll be a conundrum of emotions for Kieran D. He's professional enough to overcome it but , if Dylan and Joe start, it'll be hard for him not to will them on. Hope it's a dry day finally. All the outings coming up will stand to Kerry including a League final against whoever. Munster won't do them any good.
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Post by horsebox77 on Mar 14, 2022 22:55:06 GMT
Ya, I half forgotten the Donaghy factor with regard to his two team mates. I was thinking more along the lines of the county situation as opposed to two mates he won a local county with last year - it would be a strange one for him.
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Post by thehermit on Mar 14, 2022 23:06:22 GMT
I see that Mayo and Tyrone is Saturday night. Tg4 will have three games, nothing mentioned online for the 1400hrs or 1730hrs slot. Dublin and Donegal is listed for the 1530hrs. What games are on tg4 and RTE 2 this weekend - There is both codes this weekend ya? TG4 are showing the hurling first then (suprise, surprise the Dublin game).
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Post by Ballyfireside on Mar 14, 2022 23:23:48 GMT
that's a good idea, try and get the final place sewn up against Armagh and rest a load of lads against Tyrone because the final is the following week. Did Monaghan take a rest against us to prepare for Dgal yesterday, just like Dgal did with us when facing Tyrone 7 days later? The trough in the respective form was obvious. Dubs vs Dgal will be an interesting encounter and maybe Dgal were at it again vs Monaghan having pulled a win vs Tyrone out of nowhere. Or maybe it is all to do with a combination of PCSD (Post Covid Stress Disorder), League experimenting, etc. As an afterthought, were Tyrone softening up The Dubs like they did with us last year? As PatS said, they are the new cute hoors! |
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Post by The16thMan on Mar 15, 2022 0:28:18 GMT
I see that Mayo and Tyrone is Saturday night. Tg4 will have three games, nothing mentioned online for the 1400hrs or 1730hrs slot. Dublin and Donegal is listed for the 1530hrs. What games are on tg4 and RTE 2 this weekend - There is both codes this weekend ya? Kilkenny v Waterford is live on TG4 at 2pm, Kerry v Armagh deferred at 5.30pm. |
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Post by sullyschoice on Mar 15, 2022 0:38:23 GMT
The last time we played up in Armagh Darren O Sullivan knocked out their keeper with a shot that hit him in the face.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2022 1:55:11 GMT
Did Monaghan take a rest against us to prepare for Dgal yesterday, just like Dgal did with us when facing Tyrone 7 days later? The trough in the respective form was obvious. Dubs vs Dgal will be an interesting encounter and maybe Dgal were at it again vs Monaghan having pulled a win vs Tyrone out of nowhere. Or maybe it is all to do with a combination of PCSD (Post Covid Stress Disorder), League experimenting, etc. As an afterthought, were Tyrone softening up The Dubs like they did with us last year? As PatS said, they are the new cute hoors! you could be on to something bally, I suppose all will be revealed this weekend. Donegal looked so bad against Monaghan, if they manage to beat dublin it will add weight to your argument. I never bought what the media were selling after we hammered Tyrone in the league last year (I don't think too many Kerry folk were) and I was awful wary of them in the allireland semifinal, I couldn't shake the feeling we were heading for an ambush and so it came to pass. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2022 1:57:41 GMT
The last time we played up in Armagh Darren O Sullivan knocked out their keeper with a shot that hit him in the face. I remember it well sully, it was some crack of a ball and early enough in the game, what year was it again? |
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