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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jun 25, 2022 14:48:56 GMT
Referee murdering Kerry here. Instruction needs to go out to limit black cards to the situations for which they were originally intended i.e. cynical fouls in dangerous areas. These days, referees can be deciding games with bullsh*t cards for mistimed shoulders in innocuous positions. Not referencing this game, but we have seen black cards where the position and context of the foul meant it made no sense that it was cynical or rather deliberate, that it must have been accidental.
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Post by greengold35 on Jun 25, 2022 14:50:30 GMT
Referee murdering Kerry here. Instruction needs to go out to limit black cards to the situations for which they were originally intended i.e. cynical fouls in dangerous areas. These days, referees can be deciding games with bullsh*t cards for mistimed shoulders in innocuous positions. Absolutely- on the ref - Mayo have had 3/4 phantom frees!
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Post by kot on Jun 25, 2022 15:05:01 GMT
Ref was poor but not nearly as poor as Kerry. Absolutely awful stuff. They are only young lads and i wouldnt be too critical but the coaching has to be called into serious question with the set up and clarity of thought when players had the ball. Seemed like a trial game where fellas had turned up and met for the first time.
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Post by gaelicden on Jun 25, 2022 15:07:27 GMT
That's Costello's term up now isn't it? Definitely need some fresh faces.
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Post by horsebox77 on Jun 25, 2022 15:09:13 GMT
Ref was poor but not nearly as poor as Kerry. Absolutely awful stuff. They are only young lads and i wouldnt be too critical but the coaching has to be called into serious question with the set up and clarity of thought when players had the ball. Seemed like a trial game where fellas had turned up and met for the first time. Kot- spot on, the players concerned are only sixteen and seventeen year-olds, so let's hold off on criticism within the white lines... in general very rudderless and naive on the ball. We're not learning at this grade I'm afraid. Ref was poor putting it mildly but in all truth, Mayo were the better side.
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Post by The16thMan on Jun 25, 2022 15:09:15 GMT
Ref was poor but not nearly as poor as Kerry. Absolutely awful stuff. They are only young lads and i wouldnt be too critical but the coaching has to be called into serious question with the set up and clarity of thought when players had the ball. Seemed like a trial game where fellas had turned up and met for the first time. I agree, it seemed like a team where the shackles definitely were on. Apart from young Lane in corner forward nobody really tried to take the game to Mayo
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Post by peanuts on Jun 25, 2022 15:10:37 GMT
Very poor in the second half when the game was as there for the taking. Mayo definitely seemed to get frees easier but our tackling was poor too.
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Post by veteran on Jun 25, 2022 15:12:43 GMT
Mayo vastly superior even though not reflected on the scoreboard. They got a lot of help from the referee but they didn’t need it. All in all, I think this team achieved as much as they were capable of during the campaign.
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Post by taggert on Jun 25, 2022 15:19:13 GMT
Dreadful game, really poor standard all round. We had a number of players who looked bunched after 20 minutes and at least 2 of those finished the game, making zero impact on the game - at any juncture.
Very poor scoring return of 9 points in around 65 minutes....
Mayo made hay, relatively speaking, after the Kerry black card which was a tad harsh but very silly and unnecessary by the Kerry player.
While Mayo were not exactly impressive either, Kerry were very poor for long spells today and against Cork in tge Munster final and didn't deserve to make the final.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Jun 25, 2022 15:57:26 GMT
That's Costello's term up now isn't it? Definitely need some fresh faces. Absolutely a new minor management is really needed. Unfortunately every minor team since our last All Ireland winning team has underperformed. The team today looked poorly set up and poorly coached. We had no one in the full forward line to kick the ball to for most of the game. At times Dillon was in there but he had no support. Might as well not show up at all if that’s how they’re going to set them up. Lane is an out and out corner forward yet played most of the game around midfield or behind the ball defending. The tactics from what I could see were everyone come back and defend and hope for the best when we actually have the ball.
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Post by boherbee on Jun 25, 2022 16:34:55 GMT
Dreadful game, really poor standard all round. We had a number of players who looked bunched after 20 minutes and at least 2 of those finished the game, making zero impact on the game - at any juncture. Very poor scoring return of 9 points in around 65 minutes.... Mayo made hay, relatively speaking, after the Kerry black card which was a tad harsh but very silly and unnecessary by the Kerry player. While Mayo were not exactly impressive either, Kerry were very poor for long spells today and against Cork in tge Munster final and didn't deserve to make the final. Mayo,I feel , are a fairly handy outfit, even if they did not show it today. They have won seven on the trot, yet too lose a match, have beaten Galway twice this year. Chance for Galway to get revenge in the final.
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Post by thepromisedland on Jun 25, 2022 17:25:43 GMT
A most disappointing result playing absolute rubbish football style of play. We seemed tired, no quick kick passing into the zonal corner pockets or midfield spaces, I lost count of the smount if times we were kick passing backwards. It truly was disgraceful coaching. Most and absolute definitely, we need new management, if that's the best thry can offer. I know these are young fellas at the end if the day, Cormac Dillon foraging a lone ranger battle upfront, I felt sorry for him to a degree. The referee gave us nothing at all, the Mayo backs were far superior to him and others physicality wise. Cormac slipped a lot, fumbled the ball a lot. We brought the ball into the tackle too much, wayward kicking passing. The impression I got is that individually, we had better footballers than Mayo, but they've been coached and straight jacketed into a northern, blanket, defensive style if playing. Costelloe and the management team set up too much for Tyrone, where we outTyroned Tyrone, and probably overlooked Mayo, you set up the northern way, you stifle creativity even on your own team, it takes a smile again to adjust to a different way of playing, it was unKerry like. Mayo did what they had to do but they were poor as well, let's call a spade, a spade, the simple point taking with wides , their goal keeper albeit great at reach saves, is a very poor goalkeeper, four kickouts over the sideline and he missed a free too. Mayo played poorly, they may up it in the final v their neighbours, but to me, Galway are a much better outfit based on their win v Derry. It was within these players to win it out this year, if thry were coached to play their natural game, as I've not been hugely impressed by the other 3 teams at all. Like the U20 football championship this year, the standard at Minor this overall is dire, both age groups actually. Standard has dropped significantly this year.
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Post by horsebox77 on Jun 25, 2022 17:43:55 GMT
I agree wholeheartedly regarding the standard nationally, truth is it's actually bàbóg ball.
Is their justification for returning to U18 and U21. I know it's only twelve months but for minor level, that is a serious year in a young man's development both physically and in maturing wise.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jun 25, 2022 18:00:38 GMT
I originally was all for the change to U-17 considering the demands on these young players in their Leaving Cert.
However I understand that now most Leaving Cert students are overage for U-18. This implies that they are actually playing U-20.
For that reason I would support a change back.
U-17 is very young.
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 25, 2022 18:30:21 GMT
Its amazing how much a goal can dictate games at this level. The Mayo forward caught a ball going yards wide and put it into the net.
Paddy lane should have scored a goal and the Mayo keeper turned another goal bound effort over the bar.
Had Kerry got those goals they would have electrified the team.
Mayo deserved to win.
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Post by greengold35 on Jun 25, 2022 18:38:30 GMT
I agree wholeheartedly regarding the standard nationally, truth is it's actually bàbóg ball. Is their justification for returning to U18 and U21. I know it's only twelve months but for minor level, that is a serious year in a young man's development both physically and in maturing wise. Think there’s every reason to return to U18 not just physical & mental development but the lack of football once a guy is over 17; Paddy Lane is 15, another year @ minor but then he has virtually no team to play with other than senior - it’s ludicrous. Once a guy turns 18 he may have some chance of being part of a senior squad but definitely no chance @ 17+.
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Post by clarinman on Jun 25, 2022 18:43:23 GMT
I agree wholeheartedly regarding the standard nationally, truth is it's actually bàbóg ball. Is their justification for returning to U18 and U21. I know it's only twelve months but for minor level, that is a serious year in a young man's development both physically and in maturing wise. Think there’s every reason to return to U18 not just physical & mental development but the lack of football once a guy is over 17; Paddy Lane is 15, another year @ minor but then he has virtually no team to play with other than senior - it’s ludicrous. Once a guy turns 18 he may have some chance of being part of a senior squad but definitely no chance @ 17+. Next year the great GAA thinkers have opted to go with u19 only. Can someone from GAA headquarters please explain what was wrong with u18/u21?
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Post by mossie on Jun 25, 2022 18:53:08 GMT
Think there’s every reason to return to U18 not just physical & mental development but the lack of football once a guy is over 17; Paddy Lane is 15, another year @ minor but then he has virtually no team to play with other than senior - it’s ludicrous. Once a guy turns 18 he may have some chance of being part of a senior squad but definitely no chance @ 17+. Next year the great GAA thinkers have opted to go with u19 only. Can someone from GAA headquarters please explain what was wrong with u18/u21? there was very little wrong with u18\u21, it is all change for change sake is this U19 change sanctioned and defo coming in?
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Post by kerrylad81 on Jun 25, 2022 19:52:13 GMT
Ref was poor but not nearly as poor as Kerry. Absolutely awful stuff. They are only young lads and i wouldnt be too critical but the coaching has to be called into serious question with the set up and clarity of thought when players had the ball. Seemed like a trial game where fellas had turned up and met for the first time. I agree bad decisions from management some players not played and some played out of position it was a long drive home after watching what we saw today horrible defensive football.
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Jun 25, 2022 22:44:38 GMT
I think it might be time for a change of management at this stage. Some of the tactics, selections and in game decisions of this management group have left a lot to be desired.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jun 26, 2022 7:26:09 GMT
I originally was all for the change to U-17 considering the demands on these young players in their Leaving Cert. However I understand that now most Leaving Cert students are overage for U-18. This implies that they are actually playing U-20. For that reason I would support a change back. U-17 is very young. U18 is proper but sure if we don't win change it again to u17. Sorry I don't understand what you are getting at.
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Post by onlykerry on Jun 26, 2022 9:46:43 GMT
Think there’s every reason to return to U18 not just physical & mental development but the lack of football once a guy is over 17; Paddy Lane is 15, another year @ minor but then he has virtually no team to play with other than senior - it’s ludicrous. Once a guy turns 18 he may have some chance of being part of a senior squad but definitely no chance @ 17+. Next year the great GAA thinkers have opted to go with u19 only. Can someone from GAA headquarters please explain what was wrong with u18/u21? U21 has seemed a bit of an orphan child in the GAA for some time both at county an national level - the competition is run off with indecent haste in a box ticking exercise that simply pays lip service to the grade. There is a total lack of imagination with regard how to bridge the gap between underage and senior age groups for the majority of players - this is at a time when so many are leaving home (and home clubs) for college and work. In general only the cream of the underage crop are considered and even then many are lost. Looking back at the great run of minor AI winning teams it would be an interesting case study to see what has come of the players and how many are still active in the game. When one goes back to club level the drop off would be even greater and this is not a recent phenomenon.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jun 26, 2022 11:09:23 GMT
Next year the great GAA thinkers have opted to go with u19 only. Can someone from GAA headquarters please explain what was wrong with u18/u21? U21 has seemed a bit of an orphan child in the GAA for some time both at county an national level - the competition is run off with indecent haste in a box ticking exercise that simply pays lip service to the grade. There is a total lack of imagination with regard how to bridge the gap between underage and senior age groups for the majority of players - this is at a time when so many are leaving home (and home clubs) for college and work. In general only the cream of the underage crop are considered and even then many are lost. Looking back at the great run of minor AI winning teams it would be an interesting case study to see what has come of the players and how many are still active in the game. When one goes back to club level the drop off would be even greater and this is not a recent phenomenon. Potentially the new split season might help to some degree.
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Post by veteran on Jul 6, 2022 18:48:42 GMT
I would have no problem with Peter Keane as minor manager again.
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Post by homerj on Jul 6, 2022 19:02:38 GMT
I would have no problem with Peter Keane as minor manager again. none of us would however i doubt he would take this job considering what happened last year? id be very surprised if we ever see him on the sidelines again. is he even with a club?
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Post by veteran on Jul 6, 2022 20:13:07 GMT
I would have no problem with Peter Keane as minor manager again. none of us would however i doubt he would take this job considering what happened last year? id be very surprised if we ever see him on the sidelines again. is he even with a club? It is a shame if Peter has left Intercounty management in such an embittered fashion. He deserves better after his huge contribution.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Jul 7, 2022 12:03:18 GMT
It is a shame if Peter has left Intercounty management in such an embittered fashion. He deserves better after his huge contribution. Yes Peter made mistakes no doubt (especially v Cork 2020) but had us playing very entertaining football. Also his 3 championship losses were never during the first 70 mins. Beaten v Dubs replay 19 and extra time Cork 2020 and extra time Tyrone 2021.Also very unlucky. The Cork goal came from an effort of a point and two of Tyrone s goals came from rebounds that Cound have gone to Kery players just as easy. Like Fitzmaurice he has more to offer. I am sorry but PK lost games that should have been won and rare as it happens as part of a plan, his strategy vs Cork in 2020 was unforgivable - how any inter-county manager would go defensive against weak opposition tells a story. As to his prospects with the minors, well if it didn't work out you'd never forgive yourself for suggesting it and if there aren't better options then TCB must be held to account. There has long been a serious and urgent need to develop managers, a pipeline, call it what you will. Appointing the next best, best of a bad lot, is a recipe for a county becoming a bridesmaid itself. Fitzy is somewhat different though hesitancy in decision making 'in play' isn't the best and bringing back PG was poor judgement - in fairness what did he see that told him we were in such trouble, or did PG's reincarnation contribute to that? Éamonn is peerless as a pundit though, well he isn't a pundit as such, not an attention grabber! He is just knowledgeable and honest - maybe management at that level wasn't for him though he did win at the first time of asking. Did everyone work with him? I don't accept the transition was taking that long but I do sense there are reasons why he didn't drive on from 2014 - ah all for another day!
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Post by homerj on Jul 8, 2022 13:47:24 GMT
ya i actually like PK but that Cork defeat was ultimately what did the end for him.
bizzare approach that day, a day that will only be forgotten if/when this team wins the all ireland.
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Post by onlykerry on Jul 8, 2022 18:34:49 GMT
For anybody who had any doubts - the Minor grade is consigned to the scrap heap of inconsequential competitions in the GAA calendar. This once proud competition (played since 1929) that every youngster strived to be part and which was the curtain raiser for All Ireland finals for more years than I care to remember is having it final on a Friday night in Dr Hyde Park at 7.30
Sad to see this competition being treated thus but when they messed with the qualifying age the writing was on the wall.
I think the GAA will live to regret the way they belittle their underage competitions.
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 8, 2022 18:44:40 GMT
For anybody who had any doubts - the Minor grade is consigned to the scrap heap of inconsequential competitions in the GAA calendar. This once proud competition (played since 1929) that every youngster strived to be part and which was the curtain raiser for All Ireland finals for more years than I care to remember is having it final on a Friday night in Dr Hyde Park at 7.30 Sad to see this competition being treated thus but when they messed with the qualifying age the writing was on the wall. I think the GAA will live to regret the way they belittle their underage competitions. There were 27000 people at the minor hurling final between Offaly and Tipp. I imagine Hyde Park will be buzzing for tonights final.
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