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Post by Ballyfireside on Feb 13, 2022 2:12:49 GMT
Absolutely Mickmack. While I've a great time and highly respect the Tyrone team of the early to mid naughties, you only have to go back to their disgraceful behaviour v Tipperary in the All-Ireland U20 match in 2015, when the Tipperary manager would not let the Tyrone captain into their dressingroom afterwards the game in which Tyrone won disgracefully in such unsporting circumstances. I just hope down the line, we'll be remembered for our goodwill, even up in Mayo, a county that's not fond of us at all, as i only know too well, working up there during every week, they told me last September, that it was really good form of us in accommodating Tyrone, much to our detriment in the end. Would Tyrone have done what we did? Not a snowballs chance in hell! as Micheál O' Heir used to say. Whether we win the All-Ireland in 2022 or any other county, one thing's for certain, Tyrone will most DEFINITELY not win it anyway. They have never, and are incapable in doing back to back All-Ireland's together. Eventhough I'm not a betting man at all, I'd put my car and my job as a bet that they won't win it this year. A friend of mine convinced me that they will win it, when I proposed a bet of €279!! as a bet that they will not, he pulled out immediately and changed the subject. Important to call some people's bluff. Tyrone 2021, were for me, the worst, weakest of a the All-Ireland winners since Cork back in 2010. Anyway, As far as an exile like me is concerned, Day out of Kerry, is a day wasted!! Mayo for work during the week, The Promised Land at weekends for living. Don't forget the minor semi in 2013 against us as well, to send teenagers out to play that cynicism crap - disgraceful. Hey, someone I am friends with and who also visits the forum advises me that I should clear the air here, and reading back I think I should. But do you know what, I was and am still condemned on here, even by a moderator, for calling out da hoors re the postponement last year. Anyone who knows what I have been through personally with naughty gangsters will know that I wouldn't be a fan of wrongdoing, but far from a peeve be I, like many I am just after a day to remember from the couch, from Stade de France to The Gaelic Grounds - thank God I was on my couch, brutal but amazing, and more of the same in Semple Stadium Sunday. Had to swim across the border to the off-license so missed Club finals. No, Tyrone need to shape up, wan of 'em jarred me up once, if diplomatically - imagine! - about PatS puke/puic word, and my response was to point to their subsequent skill, e.g. Mugsie and Canavan's goal v us, asking da hoor which he enjoyed most - we shook paws! BTW PatS comment was of c spur of the moment, equally right and wrong, understandable given his purist DNA and equally reprehensible given we had was it 34 Sams and they had none! There is no right answer, and hopefully there will be no answer to Chiarraí and bliain seo! Now goin' for another swim, across de border to, Tyrone! |
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Post by Mickmack on Feb 13, 2022 8:54:23 GMT
You shouldnt be tried for the sins of the father. Tyrone in 2021 was one of the cleanest teams ever to win the all ireland.
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Post by thepromisedland on Feb 13, 2022 12:03:16 GMT
Well said Mickmac. I like to look at it from all angles and I'm sure many counties thought we were horrible yokes down through the years too. Tyrone last year were clean and Niall Morgan showed true class and sportsmanship helping both Clifford brothers during cramp and injuries. Let he who has not sinned cast the first stone. I remember an elderly Laois man telling me years ago that he recalls Kerry winning all Irelands when he was a young boy by rough tactics. His opinion but maybe he was right. I hated Kennellys hit on Nicholas Murphy in 09 as it made Kerry look bad. Tbf most Kerry folk spoke out in disgust over it. I hated the way BJ Keane kicked the ball off Donegal keepers tee in the dying seconds of 14 final. Many Donegal friends say that was so unsporting and I agree. Ironically it nearly cost us as ref added on a bit more time and Colm McFadden hit the post for a goal to equalise which would probably have cost us final. I was nt the biggest fan of Tyrone either but if we won we might not care. I was at 86 final v Tyrone when they were 7 points up in 2nd half. We scored a very important goal to bring us back into the game. The goal came from a blatant push in the back on Plunkett Donaghy by Ger Power that he knocked him over with but we got away with it. All winning teams including Kilkenny hurlers and def Limerick hurlers have a mean streak. We had many too so I hold nó grudge towards Tyrone. Last year they beat us fair and square. We outscored them but they outsmarted us. I'm arou d long enough to remember Jimmy Deenihan Mark Jimmy Barry Murphy and very little of it was within the rules. No of us are holier than thou. Absolutely two very good previous posts there. I commend that, I was commenting more on the consistency of a pattern of unsporting behaviour and histrionics over a period of time by Tyrone, patterns, sinning more, than sinned against. Some more than others, especially in past All-Ireland's with Kerry too. The match itself last year versus Tyrone was very clean, the circumstances? Highly questionable, the match deferral over 'covid' Tyrone absolutely deserved their win over us. As they say in military speak, we were devoid of countermeasures when the heat of the battle emerged. In conclusion, I added that Tyrone were the weakest winners of an All-Ireland since Cork in 2010, Tyrone were workmanlike, did what they had to do, but versus Dublin, Kerry, Donegal since 2010, they were way down the standards of quality control ability. Most people I have spoken to, agree on this conclusion from other counties. They will not win an All-Ireland this year I think, eventhough I had huge respect for that legendary Tyrone teams of the early and mid noughties. I've a very soft spot for all things GAA in Ulster, like the Fleadh Chesil na hÉireann, without Ulster, there would be no Marching Bands Competition. We really have the Gaels of Ulster to thank, But to sign off here, we will consign 2021 to the annals and if you pardon the pun! We will try to march on to our own promised journey, hopefully this year. |
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Post by royalkerryfan on Feb 13, 2022 14:37:32 GMT
Back to the game on Sunday,
I'd like to see Jack giving Clifford a weekend off.
He's out again on Wednesday and at this point I'd give him a break.
Other than that I'd like to see casey getting a decent run and Breen aswell if fit.
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Post by southward on Feb 13, 2022 15:23:40 GMT
Back to the game on Sunday, I'd like to see Jack giving Clifford a weekend off. He's out again on Wednesday and at this point I'd give him a break. Other than that I'd like to see casey getting a decent run and Breen aswell if fit. Casey got just a couple of minutes against Dublin. Unless it's for an injury, I could never see the point of that, especially when it comes to defenders. Whereas a forward just might get a chance of a score, how is a defender supposed to make an impression in a few minutes of a dead game? |
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Post by royalkerryfan on Feb 13, 2022 15:29:23 GMT
Back to the game on Sunday, I'd like to see Jack giving Clifford a weekend off. He's out again on Wednesday and at this point I'd give him a break. Other than that I'd like to see casey getting a decent run and Breen aswell if fit. Casey got just a couple of minutes against Dublin. Unless it's for an injury, I could never see the point of that, especially when it comes to defenders. Whereas a forward just might get a chance of a score, how is a defender supposed to make an impression in a few minutes of a dead game? I agree he needs a good run to give him proper exposure to this level. |
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Post by thehermit on Feb 13, 2022 16:33:15 GMT
Yeah no point flogging David, if he got seriously injured next Sunday can you imagine the heat Jack would take given how much he's playing in the last month.
A bit like the rugby last night, we need to see how the lads can perform when the main man is not around. Your not going to win anything of consequence relying on one/two individual to do the bulk of the work up front. We seriously need to see the spread widening past David and Seanie
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2022 16:42:11 GMT
Back to the game on Sunday, I'd like to see Jack giving Clifford a weekend off. He's out again on Wednesday and at this point I'd give him a break. Other than that I'd like to see casey getting a decent run and Breen aswell if fit. but what if Clifford wants to play Royal? I'm sure they're Tayloring his training where he's more than likely just stretching and playing matches, I doubt he's doing any of the heavy stuff that the other lads are doing. |
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Post by horsebox77 on Feb 13, 2022 17:17:10 GMT
Ah there is for and against, he could get injured walking down the stairs. I often think of PK's quote when asked about rest DC, "if you had a Rolls Royce would you keep it in the garage or drive it".
I see no harm in resting, we have the panel, there is no reason why any two of Geaney, Spillane or Brosnan could be selected along with say Dara, Paudie, Seanie and Adrain.
And that excluding Burns and Stephen O'Brien.
Personally, I'd be for starting, there is always the option to sub out if the game is going your way.
A few decisions for me is will Murphy remain inside, if he starts well I imagine then he will be the man in position. Similarly, the likes of the returning injured lads Breen, White, Stephen O'Brien.. even though he came on the last day.
Actually any injury update on our newly appointed captain or Stefan
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Post by royalkerryfan on Feb 13, 2022 17:52:44 GMT
Back to the game on Sunday, I'd like to see Jack giving Clifford a weekend off. He's out again on Wednesday and at this point I'd give him a break. Other than that I'd like to see casey getting a decent run and Breen aswell if fit. but what if Clifford wants to play Royal? I'm sure they're Tayloring his training where he's more than likely just stretching and playing matches, I doubt he's doing any of the heavy stuff that the other lads are doing. Without sounding smart Clifford doesn't pick the team and the bigger picture is required. We struggled when he went off against Tyrone so we have to be able win without him. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2022 18:15:51 GMT
but what if Clifford wants to play Royal? I'm sure they're Tayloring his training where he's more than likely just stretching and playing matches, I doubt he's doing any of the heavy stuff that the other lads are doing. Without sounding smart Clifford doesn't pick the team and the bigger picture is required. We struggled when he went off against Tyrone so we have to be able win without him. I know what your saying but Clifford is not a kid hes a 23 year old man. If Clifford is fit and healthy then he should in my view be available for selection. We have only 5 league games left so if Jack doesn't use these few games wisely and pick the big man and we get beat then he'll get it in the neck. The fact that after these 5 league games Clifford will have 6 weeks to relax till we play Cork and 2 weeks again till we play Clare in the Munster final so he'll probably have 8-10 weeks with little serious game time until we play an allireland quarter final. So I say let the man play. |
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Post by thehermit on Feb 13, 2022 18:35:58 GMT
Lads its not really about the worry of flogging David or burning him out. Its more a question of using a game or two to see if the others can step up if Clifford is not there to carry the fight as he is always expected to do.
We have to see if Paudie, Brosnan, Moynihan, Killian etc can be relied on to score enough to see us home if, like what happened last August, David isn't there to do it.
We need to see if Geaney and SOB still have it in the locker to lead the line if the star man isn't on the field.
What's the point of the League if stuff like that isn't been found out?
We've won the last two titles - I'd rather have options for summer than silverware in spring.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Feb 13, 2022 18:52:38 GMT
My primary reason is rest and not to flog the best player in the game.
Plus he'll likely be on the beer after the final.
However Hermit is right we are too dependent on him and it would be good to look at plan B.
Just because he can play doesn't mean its right.
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Post by Fado on Feb 13, 2022 20:13:44 GMT
Player burnout is a constant, this includes very serious injuries. My experience says always err on the side of caution.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2022 22:04:20 GMT
Lads its not really about the worry of flogging David or burning him out. Its more a question of using a game or two to see if the others can step up if Clifford is not there to carry the fight as he is always expected to do. We have to see if Paudie, Brosnan, Moynihan, Killian etc can be relied on to score enough to see us home if, like what happened last August, David isn't there to do it. We need to see if Geaney and SOB still have it in the locker to lead the line if the star man isn't on the field. What's the point of the League if stuff like that isn't been found out? We've won the last two titles - I'd rather have options for summer than silverware in spring. normally I'd agree with you the hermit and I'd rather see us experiment with the league, but for me and I'd say for Jack, now isn't the time, we've been tippy tapping around since Fitzmaurice resigned, we've been in transision since 09, we already have the 30 odd lads now to win the allireland, in fairness we should probably have won it 2019. Jack has been given 2 years, but in reality he has to win the allireland this year because he knows half the people in the county didn't want him and the other half will turn against him if he doesn't deliver this year. It's harsh but it's true. |
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Post by Corner Back on Feb 14, 2022 13:17:14 GMT
7 live GAA games TV/streaming this week:
Wed
7.30pm: NUIG v UL (F) - TG4
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5.15pm: Dublin v Cork (LF) - TG4
5.30pm: Armagh v Mon (F) - BBC iPlayer
7.30pm: Dublin v Mayo (F) - RTÉ 2
Sun - TG4
1pm: Derry v Cork (F) (app)
1.45pm: Kerry v Donegal (F)
3.45pm: Tyrone v Kildare (F)
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Post by playitfair on Feb 14, 2022 13:27:22 GMT
Back to the game on Sunday, I'd like to see Jack giving Clifford a weekend off. He's out again on Wednesday and at this point I'd give him a break. Other than that I'd like to see casey getting a decent run and Breen aswell if fit. Casey got just a couple of minutes against Dublin. Unless it's for an injury, I could never see the point of that, especially when it comes to defenders. Whereas a forward just might get a chance of a score, how is a defender supposed to make an impression in a few minutes of a dead game? Funny thing, he was in front of me and slipped a lovely pass out the wing under pressure. He made an impression on me for that. I think we will be seeing more of him. |
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Post by Mickmack on Feb 14, 2022 14:35:31 GMT
7 live GAA games TV/streaming this week: Wed 7.30pm: NUIG v UL (F) - TG4 Sat 5.15pm: Dublin v Cork (LF) - TG4 5.30pm: Armagh v Mon (F) - BBC iPlayer 7.30pm: Dublin v Mayo (F) - RTÉ 2 Sun - TG4 1pm: Derry v Cork (F) (app) 1.45pm: Kerry v Donegal (F) 3.45pm: Tyrone v Kildare (F) Mayo v Dublin will be tasty. And tetchy! |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2022 16:19:27 GMT
7 live GAA games TV/streaming this week: Wed 7.30pm: NUIG v UL (F) - TG4 Sat 5.15pm: Dublin v Cork (LF) - TG4 5.30pm: Armagh v Mon (F) - BBC iPlayer 7.30pm: Dublin v Mayo (F) - RTÉ 2 Sun - TG4 1pm: Derry v Cork (F) (app) 1.45pm: Kerry v Donegal (F) 3.45pm: Tyrone v Kildare (F) Mayo v Dublin will be tasty. And tetchy! is big Aidan still playing? |
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Post by horsebox77 on Feb 14, 2022 18:26:25 GMT
Mayo v Dublin will be tasty. And tetchy! is big Aidan still playing? Ya big Aidan always lines out and plays in spring and early summer. Then it’s estivation time in the peek summer months when needed the most. I hate to say it, but is he the most overrated county player ever…. |
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Post by royalkerryfan on Feb 14, 2022 18:40:44 GMT
is big Aidan still playing? Ya big Aidan always lines out and plays in spring and early summer. Then it’s estivation time in the peek summer months when needed the most. I hate to say it, but is he the most overrated county player ever…. He is and I think they realise that now after last year's final. |
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Post by royalkerryfan on Feb 14, 2022 18:46:18 GMT
I note the Monaghan game has been switched from Clones to Inniskeen.
Happy days.
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Post by thepromisedland on Feb 14, 2022 19:07:32 GMT
Ya big Aidan always lines out and plays in spring and early summer. Then it’s estivation time in the peek summer months when needed the most. I hate to say it, but is he the most overrated county player ever…. He is and I think they realise that now after last year's final. Since 2017, I've been telling them that up here in Mayo. They don't like hearing the truth you see. I tell Mayo people straight to their faces, when I look them in the eye, they look down the ground with momentary lapses of silence, as if they've been condemned, that if they persist in being delusional, in retaining the celebrity lover, tgat is Aidan O' Shea, you'll never win an All-Ireland. In up to 8 finals, never scored. Exactly week before their All-Ireland last year, he does a Baywatch style promo with the mobile phone company, Pair!!! Absolute insanity, would you see a Kerry player do that? No, a Kilkenny do that? No. Any player with some decorum of intelligence? No. It's always about Aidan, Hennelly and the Breaffy Bunch, remember he and others undermined and influenced Mayo management for their replay in 2017 v Dublin Final, dropping Clarke for Hennelly, whom was partly responsible in them losing that replay. You couldn't make it up! |
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Post by horsebox77 on Feb 14, 2022 19:26:26 GMT
He is and I think they realise that now after last year's final. Since 2017, I've been telling them that up here in Mayo. They don't like hearing the truth you see. I tell Mayo people straight to their faces, when I look them in the eye, they look down the ground with momentary lapses of silence, as if they've been condemned, that if they persist in being delusional, in retaining the celebrity lover, tgat is Aidan O' Shea, you'll never win an All-Ireland. In up to 8 finals, never scored. Exactly week before their All-Ireland last year, he does a Baywatch style promo with the mobile phone company, Pair!!! Absolute insanity, would you see a Kerry player do that? No, a Kilkenny do that? No. Any player with some decorum of intelligence? No. It's always about Aidan, Hennelly and the Breaffy Bunch, remember he and others undermined and influenced Mayo management for their replay in 2017 v Dublin Final, dropping Clarke for Hennelly, whom was partly responsible in them losing that replay. You couldn't make it up! Ya, the Clarke decision was crass, the nail was really driven in when Clarke got the all star nod ahead of everyone. No one player no matter how 'great' is bigger than the collective, to compound matters, players belong inside the white lines and not dictating outside. Must be a Connacht thing, the great 'Joe' has been calling the shots for years in Galway, I think you'll see a more unified and balanced outfit under king Henry. On the above, as an outside flutter.. threw a score on a Galway/Kerry double at twenties ... sure why not... |
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Post by thepromisedland on Feb 14, 2022 19:40:00 GMT
Since 2017, I've been telling them that up here in Mayo. They don't like hearing the truth you see. I tell Mayo people straight to their faces, when I look them in the eye, they look down the ground with momentary lapses of silence, as if they've been condemned, that if they persist in being delusional, in retaining the celebrity lover, tgat is Aidan O' Shea, you'll never win an All-Ireland. In up to 8 finals, never scored. Exactly week before their All-Ireland last year, he does a Baywatch style promo with the mobile phone company, Pair!!! Absolute insanity, would you see a Kerry player do that? No, a Kilkenny do that? No. Any player with some decorum of intelligence? No. It's always about Aidan, Hennelly and the Breaffy Bunch, remember he and others undermined and influenced Mayo management for their replay in 2017 v Dublin Final, dropping Clarke for Hennelly, whom was partly responsible in them losing that replay. You couldn't make it up! Ya, the Clarke decision was crass, the nail was really driven in when Clarke got the all star nod ahead of everyone. No one player no matter how 'great' is bigger than the collective, to compound matters, players belong inside the white lines and not dictating outside. Must be a Connacht thing, the great 'Joe' has been calling the shots for years in Galway, I think you'll see a more unified and balanced outfit under king Henry. On the above, as an outside flutter.. threw a score on a Galway/Kerry double at twenties ... sure why not... Absolutely 💯 Connaught is known as the Province of the Clans for nothing. |
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Feb 14, 2022 21:38:02 GMT
Do people still see Stephen o Brien as a live option for this season?
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Post by horsebox77 on Feb 14, 2022 21:56:23 GMT
For me no, not as a starter, hand on heart I can't see any of the remaining 2014 side starting with the exception of maybe Geaney.
I can't see Murphy, Moran, O'Brien starting, I think we have better or more viable options, younger, faster or keener options.. it's a young man's game. The about quartet may have a place off the bench for experience but no for me not as starters
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Post by southward on Feb 14, 2022 22:02:46 GMT
is big Aidan still playing? Ya big Aidan always lines out and plays in spring and early summer. Then it’s estivation time in the peek summer months when needed the most. I hate to say it, but is he the most overrated county player ever…. Since Jayo anyway. |
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Feb 14, 2022 22:03:02 GMT
For me no, not as a starter, hand on heart I can't see any of the remaining 2014 side starting with the exception of maybe Geaney. I can't see Murphy, Moran, O'Brien starting, I think we have better or more viable options, younger, faster or keener options.. it's a young man's game. The about quartet may have a place off the bench for experience but no for me not as starters I prob agree with you on Murphy but still think Moran is our best midfielder. On O Brien, I have a mild panic attack whenever he gets the ball as in an age of control of possession and composure he just doesn’t exert enough . |
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Post by southward on Feb 14, 2022 22:10:36 GMT
Do people still see Stephen o Brien as a live option for this season? Maybe not a guaranteed starter but I've time for him. When a game's gone stale and we're making no headway up front, he's a player who can give you something different; drop the shoulder and break the line. Definitely have him around the place. |
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