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Post by horsebox77 on Feb 4, 2022 21:53:12 GMT
What I most like about this side is, Jack is addressing issues as they unfold, we were in trouble last week in midfield and in the half forward unit, but admittedly, his hand is bolstered by the returning Na Gaeil lads, he has introduced Diarmuid and Jack, a settled and cohesive pairing and in addition moved the two lads from last week to the half forward line to bolster, we now have four big men around the middle as well as two tigerish ball winners in Paudie and Dara, inside Geaney and DC should play close enough to goal, I envisage it’s a case of two narrow two wide and two close to goal. The backs are the best six available due to i injury, I hope that Casey gets a run, but seeing as only he and Graham are the best two options, I envisage he will see time. I’m not a Murohy fan, I hope I’m proven incorrect but I’d be happier with Ryan, he is more imposing and composed inside the square and for all the talk about aMurphy’s pin point kickouts, I think 30% still go astray, tomorrow is a game tailored made for him with the four big options outside, so if he doesn’t staunch tomorrow or will the unavailability of Burns and White scupper any display? Either way, strong line up, physically best available, cover in most positions apart from centerfield … but I would imagine Killian he Tony will be raring to go when introduced, pressure and maintaining the status quo is imperative for the full 70+ minutes Content deleted by Control Ah K’boy you’re not on HS now,,,, Back on topic though, no midfielder on the bench…. Where is Paul O’Shea, Greg Horan is listed but primarily he is viewed at a half forward by Jack. In the McGrath Cup we had Adam Donoghue and Enna O’Conchuir.. we have options everywhere else… but not in the engine room, this is a worry for me as it tells me the plan b is Adrian or a Seanie with a forward coming in…. It would appear that Paul O’Shea is not rated??… |
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Feb 4, 2022 22:20:40 GMT
Definitely an improvement from the team that took to the field against Kildare even based on the added size and physicality around the middle alone. I think we will probably line out with 3 midfielders with Paudie and Moynihan on the wings and 2 inside of David and Geaney. 3 out and out inside forwards definitely didn’t work against Kildare and even against Cork Brosnan wasn’t involved at all so having just 2 out and out inside forwards tomorrow might work better. When you’ve an inside forward of the calibre of David anyway you’re probably better off not having too many in there with him only taking ball away from him. Looking at that bench we should be able to finish very strongly as Spillane, Brosnan and O’Brien are all capable of making a big impact. I think it should be strong enough to take a Dublin side playing poorly and missing a few key players by a few points, if it isn’t I’d be a bit concerned. Hoping for a good performance tomorrow and an improvement from last time out.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Feb 4, 2022 22:23:33 GMT
Content deleted by Control Ah K’boy you’re not on HS now,,,, Back on topic though, no midfielder on the bench…. Where is Paul O’Shea, Greg Horan is listed but primarily he is viewed at a half forward by Jack. In the McGrath Cup we had Adam Donoghue and Enna O’Conchuir.. we have options everywhere else… but not in the engine room, this is a worry for me as it tells me the plan b is Adrian or a Seanie with a forward coming in…. It would appear that Paul O’Shea is not rated??… Agree, can’t understand why Paul O’Shea isn’t there. I’d also have Eanna O’Conchuir on the bench. |
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Post by john4 on Feb 4, 2022 23:24:56 GMT
Stacks had a long run since last October till a few weeks ago and presumably the reason why Dylan Casey et al aren't getting much game time is because the body will need time to recover from (presuming again) hard running all winter.
Just wondering would Jack Barry and D o'C also benefit from a bit of down time also.
I appreciate that this would leave us with gaps to fill but this is one unfortunate downside of having strong and ambitious clubs competing for national honours.
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Post by clarinman on Feb 4, 2022 23:25:43 GMT
Ah K’boy you’re not on HS now,,,, Back on topic though, no midfielder on the bench…. Where is Paul O’Shea, Greg Horan is listed but primarily he is viewed at a half forward by Jack. In the McGrath Cup we had Adam Donoghue and Enna O’Conchuir.. we have options everywhere else… but not in the engine room, this is a worry for me as it tells me the plan b is Adrian or a Seanie with a forward coming in…. It would appear that Paul O’Shea is not rated??… Agree, can’t understand why Paul O’Shea isn’t there. I’d also have Eanna O’Conchuir on the bench. There's a lot of talk on here from some people wanting Paul o Shea involved. Let's not forget he's only 20 and did not start for East Kerry in the county championship last year. I think Paul will be a star but let's not rush him. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2022 23:42:14 GMT
Content deleted by Control Ah K’boy you’re not on HS now,,,, Back on topic though, no midfielder on the bench…. Where is Paul O’Shea, Greg Horan is listed but primarily he is viewed at a half forward by Jack. In the McGrath Cup we had Adam Donoghue and Enna O’Conchuir.. we have options everywhere else… but not in the engine room, this is a worry for me as it tells me the plan b is Adrian or a Seanie with a forward coming in…. It would appear that Paul O’Shea is not rated??… sorry horse and control. Just frustrated that Shane Ryan has lost his place is all. |
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Post by horsebox77 on Feb 4, 2022 23:43:55 GMT
Ya you make a fair point about his age, but I think the EK selectors picked the wrong XV that night, how Paul O'Shea and More so Donal O'Sullivan sat on the bench while the Rockies stifled attack after attack amazed me....still does...
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Post by horsebox77 on Feb 4, 2022 23:48:26 GMT
Ah K’boy you’re not on HS now,,,, Back on topic though, no midfielder on the bench…. Where is Paul O’Shea, Greg Horan is listed but primarily he is viewed at a half forward by Jack. In the McGrath Cup we had Adam Donoghue and Enna O’Conchuir.. we have options everywhere else… but not in the engine room, this is a worry for me as it tells me the plan b is Adrian or a Seanie with a forward coming in…. It would appear that Paul O’Shea is not rated??… sorry horse and control. Just frustrated that Shane Ryan has lost his place is all. Partly guessed, and I wholeheartedly agree, it's the Rathmore man eight days a week for me... I just don't see it... two excellent, one averwge and two bad out of five is a poor substitute in my eyes, in Semi vs Tyrone we won 100% of our kickouts and of the three McGrath Cup games I though the Rathmore man was mire assured... but I'm not in Currans twice a week... I do feel Murphy aims for Burns and White when ruffled ... what will the emergency red button be tomorrow... |
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Feb 5, 2022 0:05:02 GMT
Ya you make a fair point about his age, but I think the EK selectors picked the wrong XV that night, how Paul O'Shea and More so Donal O'Sullivan sat on the bench while the Rockies stifled attack after attack amazed me....still does... Absolutely I wouldn’t be basing anything on one manager’s decision especially when he had no trainings or challenge games to assess players. The clubs who the 2 players mentioned are from weren’t with East Kerry in previous years so Jerry O’Sullivan stuck with the players he knew. I’ll be interested to see how both fare in the Sigerson semi finals Thursday. |
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Feb 5, 2022 0:07:43 GMT
The one big advantage Murphy has over Ryan is Murphy has considerably more length on his kickout which is a huge asset against an aggressive press. He had one absolutely huge kickout to Burns against Kildare. There isn’t much between them in my eyes and I don’t think Jack has any decision made yet. We know what level Ryan is at, these games are better used to assess Murphy.
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Post by mike70 on Feb 5, 2022 0:16:09 GMT
Content deleted by Control Ah K’boy you’re not on HS now,,,, Back on topic though, no midfielder on the bench…. Where is Paul O’Shea, Greg Horan is listed but primarily he is viewed at a half forward by Jack. In the McGrath Cup we had Adam Donoghue and Enna O’Conchuir.. we have options everywhere else… but not in the engine room, this is a worry for me as it tells me the plan b is Adrian or a Seanie with a forward coming in…. It would appear that Paul O’Shea is not rated??… your back up midfield is now playing in the HF line, both SOS and AS will be called on if needs. Looks like Jack gone with a containment team, but also an experienced team. Looking forward to the dublin selection. |
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Feb 5, 2022 0:20:53 GMT
I am happy for Murphy to get another game or two in the league. He has been off the inter county scene for a few years so will take him a while to get up to speed.
I think a bit of short term investment investment could provide some long term gains. Anyways there is 5 more games left after tomorrow so am sure Ryan will get his chance.
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Post by southward on Feb 5, 2022 0:26:21 GMT
Is Sherwood gone from the panel altogether?
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Post by The16thMan on Feb 5, 2022 1:19:09 GMT
Is Sherwood gone from the panel altogether? Retired in December |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2022 1:27:00 GMT
Ya you make a fair point about his age, but I think the EK selectors picked the wrong XV that night, how Paul O'Shea and More so Donal O'Sullivan sat on the bench while the Rockies stifled attack after attack amazed me....still does... Ya didn't Paul score the EK goal when he came on. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2022 1:34:22 GMT
sorry horse and control. Just frustrated that Shane Ryan has lost his place is all. Partly guessed, and I wholeheartedly agree, it's the Rathmore man eight days a week for me... I just don't see it... two excellent, one averwge and two bad out of five is a poor substitute in my eyes, in Semi vs Tyrone we won 100% of our kickouts and of the three McGrath Cup games I though the Rathmore man was mire assured... but I'm not in Currans twice a week... I do feel Murphy aims for Burns and White when ruffled ... what will the emergency red button be tomorrow... if I was Farrell tomorrow night I'd be dropping high ball in on Murphy, they dropped 1 in on the Armagh goalie Last weeks and they got a goal, I wonder will we have learned to close the gate on dublins quick ball around the back. |
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Post by Chinatown on Feb 5, 2022 7:47:13 GMT
So folks looks like the weather could be wild enough this evening. I am travelling down from the pale with two garsuns this pm. If wanted to try and get seats in stand, would you need to be there before 6?
Any thoughts? Thanks
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Post by The16thMan on Feb 5, 2022 8:09:11 GMT
So folks looks like the weather could be wild enough this evening. I am travelling down from the pale with two garsuns this pm. If wanted to try and get seats in stand, would you need to be there before 6? Any thoughts? Thanks 6 would probably be the latest I'd say, the covered stand only holds about 3,000. |
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Post by Chinatown on Feb 5, 2022 8:12:28 GMT
So folks looks like the weather could be wild enough this evening. I am travelling down from the pale with two garsuns this pm. If wanted to try and get seats in stand, would you need to be there before 6? Any thoughts? Thanks 6 would probably be the latest I'd say, the covered stand only holds about 3,000. Yeah, I hear you, thanks, yerra we won’t melt worse case. 😀 |
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Post by The16thMan on Feb 5, 2022 8:57:28 GMT
6 would probably be the latest I'd say, the covered stand only holds about 3,000. Yeah, I hear you, thanks, yerra we won’t melt worse case. 😀 Also you wouldn't want to miss Elvis now would you 😜🤣 |
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Post by thehermit on Feb 5, 2022 9:23:48 GMT
I suppose the Dubs will be taking over the Mitchel's shed end again.
By the way when are they due to start work on terracing and roofing the Horans end? ASP would be a fine ground once that's done.
I think seeing somewhere like Newbridge makes you appreciate fully the fine two stadiums we have for inter county games.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Feb 5, 2022 9:38:50 GMT
An Interesting team is how I would put it.
We are obviously going with 3 men in midfield with Spillane dropping in and paudie dropping to wing forward.
I would have thought that negated the need for someone like Moynihan to be there in a work horse role.
Spillane sitting, Barry tagging and Diarmuid + Seanie with licence to attack while still putting in a shift is probably enough to commit to that structure but time will tell.
Both Geaney and Killian Spillane, when he comes on, really need to do something in this game as we really lacking support for Clifford inside
I am getting a slight feeling that we may be slipping back into the Peter Keane mode of being more concerned with trying not to lose rather trying to actually win as this is 2 team selections in a row that prioritised the former.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Feb 5, 2022 9:57:41 GMT
I hope Barry doesn’t just go out tonight to mark Fenton. He needs to play his own game. We need him catching kickouts, being an option in possession and tackling with intensity. He’s there too long now to just mark a player who’s influence is very overblown.
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Post by southward on Feb 5, 2022 10:03:09 GMT
I hope Barry doesn’t just go out tonight to mark Fenton. He needs to play his own game. We need him catching kickouts, being an option in possession and tackling with intensity. He’s there too long now to just mark a player who’s influence is very overblown. Exactly. Let Fenton mark Barry if he wants. |
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Post by mike70 on Feb 5, 2022 10:12:50 GMT
Dessie is keeping us in suspense.
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Post by kerryman99 on Feb 5, 2022 10:25:37 GMT
Dessie is keeping us in suspense. Its a joke. I thought the rules were you had to name a team by a certain time beforehand? Even if its not strictly accurate at least it gives the fans to talk about possible match ups etc. |
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Feb 5, 2022 10:27:11 GMT
I hope Barry doesn’t just go out tonight to mark Fenton. He needs to play his own game. We need him catching kickouts, being an option in possession and tackling with intensity. He’s there too long now to just mark a player who’s influence is very overblown. Exactly. Let Fenton mark Barry if he wants. Ah lads, seriously? Fenton playing his own game and Barry playing his own game means that we start the game around 4 points down |
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Post by brucewayne on Feb 5, 2022 11:10:22 GMT
SAT, 05 FEB, 2022 - 06:00
Éamonn Fitzmaurice
We expect a reaction from both Dublin and Kerry tonight in Tralee. Neither will be happy with last week’s results or performances, though they both will probably have had a little smile to themselves when they saw subsequent commentary, after one game in January.
Question marks hang over Kerry, and Dublin are being written off.
First things first. It is important to give some context with regard to where the top teams are at right now as they focus on the big picture. Both Kerry and Dublin have designs on the All-Ireland and will have worked their training plan backwards from July to ensure they are peaking when it matters most.
What that means for their training at the moment in such a condensed season I’m not sure, but both teams looked as if they have done a block of work recently. The panel is tight at this time of the year with some players club-tied, injured, or returning late. Sigerson Cup is also a factor for Kerry. The Sigerson players won’t have been training as they were playing games midweek. It won’t affect their individual preparation but it does affect the collective session.
Throw in the few knocks and bruises and sessions can be seriously compromised. Numbers will be well down and playing full football to work on match-specific aspects, which is exactly what is required, can be challenging. Finally with a tight squad, a lot of the players have played a huge amount of football in January. For many of the Kerry players, this evening’s Division One game will be their fifth in six weeks. When players get back to playing matches after a lay off they are mad for road, are fresh and hungry.
However, playing this volume of games so close together without being up to full fitness dulls the appetite. This is why I never liked the McGrath Cup as a manager. That new season bounce and mad hunger for football had often dissipated by the time the league came around and players were a bit jaded when it mattered most. For all these reasons there will be little or no panic within either camp. That doesn’t mean that anyone gets a free pass this evening as both managers and sets of players will be really up for it and will be anxious to win. To lay down a marker if nothing else.
Dublin have come back to the pack and it means that this year’s league and championship are as open as they have been in quite some time. However, they are still well capable of winning the All-Ireland, if and when they get all their key players back on the pitch together. On the evidence of last Saturday, they have plenty to be working on.
They are a distance away from the swashbuckling Dublin that I remember coming up against, where you had to be right at the top of your game to beat them. With that group, I think of how good they were all over the field and on the bench, their power plays when the crowd got behind them and when they did serious damage on the scoreboard. I can recall the excellence of their manager and his selectors. Most of all I remember a determination and bloody-mindedness that meant they were never beaten and this set them apart. That is what I grudgingly admired the most about them and respected them for.
Last Saturday night in Croke Park, with the ball they were passive and unimaginative, without it they lacked structure and their work rate all over the pitch was conspicuously absent. Rian O’Neill’s goal was a perfect illustration of all that is currently wrong with Dublin.
After a period of ineffective handpassing in the final third Niall Scully recycled the ball to Brian Howard who in his attempt to play Scully in handpassed the ball straight to Rory Grugan. He was able to take three solos at his dead ease without a hand being put on him before he popped the ball to Aidan Nugent in space in front of the Cusack Stand. Nugent in turn was able to give a great diagonal ball to take out Davy Byrne and put O’Neill through.
After the initial turnover Dublin’s reaction is shocking. No one tries to get to the ball to put heat on Grugan. There is no attempt to tactically foul to get back in shape. There is zero reaction to the turnover with none of the players between Grugan and their own goal sprinting back to help Byrne. There isn’t a pre-planned solid structure in place to deal with this exact eventuality. Nugent has time to get his head up and make the pass. Byrne is playing from way out in front even though there is no pressure on the ball. Of course, the initial turnover came from a static attack that they had bored themselves to death with, by the repeated recycling of possession with no one coming on the burst in support to break the line. There was so much wrong and un-Dublinlike about the whole move.
Dessie Farrell won’t be able to click his fingers and get all this right in a week. So what exactly can he do in seven days to get a tune out of his team and at the very least make them harder to play against?
As outlined Farrell has a lot to think about but to improve for tonight he will focus on a couple of key areas. Long term his biggest challenge is to find a way to attack and defend with intent as a group, again. For Tralee tonight, the biggest changes will come in terms of attitude, shooting accuracy, and tackling. I’m sure the video session after last week’s game was an uncomfortable experience for many of the Dublin players.
Mistakes on the ball may have been illustrated but it is their attitude and workrate off the ball that Farrell will have highlighted and gone after by calling players out and wondering what in the name of God they were doing. He would have plenty of ammo by just showing the O’Neill goal and nothing else. He will demand that they tackle hard and aggressively tonight and I expect them to. He may make personnel changes to bring a bit of a physical edge to them. He will get plenty of bodies into their own half when they don’t have the ball.
The last thing he will want to do is give confidence to the Kerry forwards and allow them to grow. They will also have spent plenty of time on their shooting as their accuracy against Armagh was way below the normal level. By simply improving these couple of areas they will be a different prospect. They may also look to go long more often from their kickouts. The constant chips short are no longer effective and by going long to Brian Fenton it may allow them to play some front-foot football.
Meanwhile, on the Kerry side, Jack O’Connor is getting to know his players. He has seen plenty of them already but to really get to know a player you have to be in the trenches with them. He is looking for men that he can trust on the big days in Croke Park. That trust is earned on nights like tonight with a big home crowd watching every move closely. He will expect much more from his forwards, will want them to be way smarter in possession and cut out the fatuous and costly turnovers.
They should have more space to operate in Austin Stack Park and he will expect them to move the ball on quicker. He will have spent time on his inside forwards this week and will demand that they secure the ball when it is put inside and go from there. He will be happy with the workrate in general and the shape at the back in particular. Dublin will provide a different test in this regard and it will be interesting to see how they free up Tadhg Morley to help on defence.
Jack felt last year with Kildare he had the blueprint in the Leinster final to beat the Dubs.
He will feel he has the players to do just that now.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2022 11:26:55 GMT
An Interesting team is how I would put it. We are obviously going with 3 men in midfield with Spillane dropping in and paudie dropping to wing forward. I would have thought that negated the need for someone like Moynihan to be there in a work horse role. Spillane sitting, Barry tagging and Diarmuid + Seanie with licence to attack while still putting in a shift is probably enough to commit to that structure but time will tell. Both Geaney and Killian Spillane, when he comes on, really need to do something in this game as we really lacking support for Clifford inside I am getting a slight feeling that we may be slipping back into the Peter Keane mode of being more concerned with trying not to lose rather trying to actually win as this is 2 team selections in a row that prioritised the former. I was thinking the same thing, this is a very PKesque looking team. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2022 11:29:40 GMT
So folks looks like the weather could be wild enough this evening. I am travelling down from the pale with two garsuns this pm. If wanted to try and get seats in stand, would you need to be there before 6? Any thoughts? Thanks where is animal gone? |
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