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Post by taggert on Feb 16, 2022 21:01:46 GMT
Agree Taggert David was brutal. Kicked a good free and took the penalty well but was dire from play and it was nt like last year where Sean Meehan just marked him out of game v Cork. This eve he had chances but lack of concentration. He has a habit of giving the ball away easily sometimes. David is the most talented player in the country but I keep saying he sometimes does nt take the right options. Dónal Ó Sullivan and Paul Walsk kicked 2 great points. NUIG were far better team on the night. He was in that snatching mode again - where he didn't seem fully composed taking his shots. Awful conditions and undoubtedly monumental pressure on him to deliver. I watched the Tyrone game again recently and even with Kerry our dependence on him is borderline unfair. If others dont step up (i.e. Geaney, Spillane, Brosnan), I think he will have more disappointment coming... |
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Post by royalkerryfan on Feb 16, 2022 21:02:03 GMT
Mick - Your criticism of David is way off the mark.
Picking a few incidents over literally hours of football when the lad has been carrying Kerry since he was 17.
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Post by horsebox77 on Feb 16, 2022 21:05:56 GMT
Agree Taggert David was brutal. Kicked a good free and took the penalty well but was dire from play and it was nt like last year where Sean Meehan just marked him out of game v Cork. This eve he had chances but lack of concentration. He has a habit of giving the ball away easily sometimes. David is the most talented player in the country but I keep saying he sometimes does nt take the right options. Dónal Ó Sullivan and Paul Walsk kicked 2 great points. NUIG were far better team on the night. He was in that snatching mode again - where he didn't seem fully composed taking his shots. Awful conditions and undoubtedly monumental pressure on him to deliver. I watched the Tyrone game again recently and even with Kerry our dependence on him is borderline unfair. If others dont step up (i.e. Geaney, Spillane, Brosnan), I think he will have more disappointment coming... Even more reason to test drive vs Donegal, in fairness a front six of Adrain, Seanie, Dara, Killian, Geaney and Paudie is more than capable and would beat 70% of county opposition and that still leaves you Brosnsn, Savage and O'Brien etc as bench options. As a backup they could even start DC on the bench like the McGrath Cup game vs Cork. |
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Feb 16, 2022 21:11:17 GMT
David has to be rested Sunday. It’s only asking for trouble by playing him. It’s disaster for our season if he gets injured so it’d be crazy to take any chances with him. Also we want him fresh for the Summer, overworking him now could have a negative impact down the line. Anyway it’d be good to give Spillane or Brosnan a start inside with Geaney and others will have to step up to the scoring plate.
On the game, NUIG were definitely the better team. They were strong all over while I thought UL were carrying a lot of players. It was a tough night for forwards and especially forwards for UL with the lack of quality service they were getting so I wouldn’t be criticising Donal O’Sullivan, he did ok in the circumstances. Paul Walsh had a big impact when he came on, the best I’ve seen him play since his minor days. Won a few hard balls and kicked a good point.
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Post by horsebox77 on Feb 16, 2022 21:13:43 GMT
David has to be rested Sunday. It’s only asking for trouble by playing him. It’s disaster for our season if he gets injured so it’d be crazy to take any chances with him. Also we want him fresh for the Summer, overworking him now could have a negative impact down the line. Anyway it’d be good to give Spillane or Brosnan a start inside with Geaney and others will have to step up to the scoring plate. On the game, NUIG were definitely the better team. They were strong all over while I thought UL were carrying a lot of players. It was a tough night for forwards and especially forwards for UL with the lack of quality service they were getting so I wouldn’t be criticising Donal O’Sullivan, he did ok in the circumstances. Paul Walsh had a big impact when he came on, the best I’ve seen him play since his minor days. Won a few hard balls and kicked a good point. Ya, in hindsight I was harsh on the Kilgarvan man, I since edited my initial post. |
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Post by veteran on Feb 16, 2022 21:16:02 GMT
Poor standard but of course the weather conditions were awful. I expected NUIG to win more convincingly than they did having far more exalted personnel than UL.
David was poor enough by any standard but I was delighted he converted that penalty after his mishap against Dublin. More significantly Donal O’Sullivan , a player I rate, was disappointing. His handling was very sub standard in the first half. On the evidence of this match , I doubt if Jack will be contacting him this year.
Sean Powter was a big loss in the second half. I doubt that substitute , ? Heneghan, would have waltzed through for all those points if Sean had been there.
After awarding the penalty , David Gough seemed to feel he had done his bit for NUIG as thereafter most of the decisions went the way of NUIG. There was one blatant example when UL had brought it back to one or two points and a short kick out went through the legs of a Galway defender and the UL player behind him was about to pick up the ball when the Galway player recovered and put the boot in. Should have been a definite free in. I am not suggesting he won the match for Galway. The better team won it on merit.
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Post by taggert on Feb 16, 2022 21:25:49 GMT
Poor standard but of course the weather conditions were awful. I expected NUIG to win more convincingly than they did having far more exalted personnel than UL. David was poor enough by any standard but I was delighted he converted that penalty after his mishap against Dublin. More significantly Donal O’Sullivan , a player I rate, was disappointing. His handling was very sub standard in the first half. On the evidence of this match , I doubt if Jack will be contacting him this year. Sean Powter was a big loss in the second half. I doubt that substitute , ? Heneghan, would have waltzed through for all those points if Sean had been there. After awarding the penalty , David Gough seemed to feel he had done his bit for NUIG as thereafter most of the decisions went the way of NUIG. There was one blatant example when UL had brought it back to one or two points and a short kick out went through the legs of a Galway defender and the UL player behind him was about to pick up the ball when the Galway player recovered and put the boot in. Should have been a definite free in. I am not suggesting he won the match for Galway. The better team won it on merit. Spot on Vet. Donal had a very poor 1st half and Powter was a huge loss in the 2nd as his speed and low centre of gravity was sorely missed on the substitute and MoTM Heneghan who sliced through the half back line at will, kicking 3 points. The incident where the NUIG defender lunged and connected with his foot but wasnt penalised (bad call) put paid to the comeback. Better team with better calibre of player and deserving winners though were NUIG. Also impressed by their no. 4 who kicked points from play in both halfs - a corofin man, if I heard correctly. |
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Post by mike70 on Feb 16, 2022 21:33:42 GMT
Lads assuming powter got injured, he struggles to put any meaningful run of games together, very frustrating for the kid.
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Post by clarinman on Feb 16, 2022 21:37:45 GMT
Poor standard but of course the weather conditions were awful. I expected NUIG to win more convincingly than they did having far more exalted personnel than UL. David was poor enough by any standard but I was delighted he converted that penalty after his mishap against Dublin. More significantly Donal O’Sullivan , a player I rate, was disappointing. His handling was very sub standard in the first half. On the evidence of this match , I doubt if Jack will be contacting him this year. Sean Powter was a big loss in the second half. I doubt that substitute , ? Heneghan, would have waltzed through for all those points if Sean had been there. After awarding the penalty , David Gough seemed to feel he had done his bit for NUIG as thereafter most of the decisions went the way of NUIG. There was one blatant example when UL had brought it back to one or two points and a short kick out went through the legs of a Galway defender and the UL player behind him was about to pick up the ball when the Galway player recovered and put the boot in. Should have been a definite free in. I am not suggesting he won the match for Galway. The better team won it on merit. Spot on Vet. Donal had a very poor 1st half and Powter was a huge loss in the 2nd as his speed and low centre of gravity was sorely missed on the substitute and MoTM Heneghan who sliced through the half back line at will, kicking 3 points. The incident where the NUIG defender lunged and connected with his foot but wasnt penalised (bad call) put paid to the comeback. Better team with better calibre of player and deserving winners though were NUIG. Also impressed by their no. 4 who kicked points from play in both halfs - a corofin man, if I heard correctly. The number 4 is from Corofin and is Ian Burke's brother. Ian won an all star at corner forward in 2018. |
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Post by Mickmack on Feb 16, 2022 21:41:17 GMT
UL got this far on 2 engines. Powter and DC. Powter is a great bit of stuff. I love watching him. Donal looks like he isn't fully fit. I know his ham string has been giving him trouble.
DC has to be given a rest now for many reasons including seeing who else will step up.
I am loath enough to criticise Jack for playing DC against Dublin and Kildare.... he will have remembered losing his first match as manager in a previous reign and he knows there are many who can't wait to dance on his grave.
If kerry has lost to Kildare there would have been plenty saying I TOLD SO....and maybe even calling for the return of Donie Buckley....
Jack has a tricky furrow to plough just now.
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Post by taggert on Feb 16, 2022 21:44:11 GMT
Spot on Vet. Donal had a very poor 1st half and Powter was a huge loss in the 2nd as his speed and low centre of gravity was sorely missed on the substitute and MoTM Heneghan who sliced through the half back line at will, kicking 3 points. The incident where the NUIG defender lunged and connected with his foot but wasnt penalised (bad call) put paid to the comeback. Better team with better calibre of player and deserving winners though were NUIG. Also impressed by their no. 4 who kicked points from play in both halfs - a corofin man, if I heard correctly. The number 4 is from Corofin and is Ian Burke's brother. Ian won an all star at corner forward in 2018. Thanks. Good pedigree then! |
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Post by ataboy on Feb 16, 2022 21:56:05 GMT
David definitely needs a break at the weekend.
Expected a higher standard of football, particularly in the first 15/20 mins before the storm.
UL for a lot of big names were really disappointing. Got a lucky enough penalty to get back into it. Powter was a loss but better team by far won.
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Post by clarinman on Feb 16, 2022 22:16:14 GMT
People are going on like Kerry are the only county flogging players. I agree that David has been played too much this year and deserves a rest at the weekend but let's not pretend that it only affects us. The 2 Kellys, Culhane and Tierney played both Galway League games and the FBD League as well as Sigerson with NUIG. Sweeney has also been involved as a sub with Galway. The FBD final was played a week before the McGrath cup final because Kerry agreed to a Cork request to put the final back a week due to Sigerson cup games. I could not understand that decision as there was also Sigerson the week after. However this meant no gap between the McGrath cup final and the league start the following weekend. The Kerry county board decided not to give the Kerry panel a rest weekend before playing 7 League games in 9 weekends and one other if they reached the final.
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Post by mossie on Feb 16, 2022 22:23:52 GMT
I am very much in the camp of rest Clifford as well
He d be in the better of it plus the Kerry team needs to get a handle on playing without him in the event he has to depart the field like he did v Tyrone last summe
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Post by onlykerry on Feb 16, 2022 22:33:20 GMT
Think we need to give credit to NUIG - they did a great job on the high scoring MTUK last week and followed it up with a similar performance tonight against UL. They picked up a lot of breaks and always seemed more tuned in to the game.
NUIG got some good turnovers, gave little away at the back and built from there - well deserved winners.
In relation to Kerry - I have long looked at other would be counties and chuckled at their over dependence on one stellar forward. I am worried that Kerry are heading that way and we badly need the rest of our forwards to stand up and be counted. For this reason alone I think Kerry need a few games with DC on the bench (giving him a break would be a bonus for me) - we need to get other forwards firing and contributing if we are to reach the Holy Grail this year.
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Post by mike70 on Feb 17, 2022 8:39:23 GMT
NUIG well deserved their win, what gets me is the win was built on keep ball until the gap opens, so we had a lot of back and forth with the ball, rarely taking the ball into contact, if the Kerry team did that, there be a hanging, I suppose my question is, at what price for a win. When we arrive at the last 8 this summer, there will be defensive walls to get passed, kicking in fast ball is not easy with sweepers, also not easy deliver long ball after defensive turnover, to me how we manage this will be the key to kerry success, new bridge not so good, maybe a bigger pitch might make it easier, but patience on and off the field will be required.
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Post by onlykerry on Feb 17, 2022 10:50:43 GMT
Agree Taggert David was brutal. Kicked a good free and took the penalty well but was dire from play and it was nt like last year where Sean Meehan just marked him out of game v Cork. This eve he had chances but lack of concentration. He has a habit of giving the ball away easily sometimes. David is the most talented player in the country but I keep saying he sometimes does nt take the right options. Dónal Ó Sullivan and Paul Walsk kicked 2 great points. NUIG were far better team on the night. I think we are judging him with a different level of expectation - unfair to describe him as brutal as he was merely mortal and did not perform as the deity we have come to expect. Agree it highlights our absolute need to get others to perform around him and not to have all our hopes pinned on one man. |
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Post by Jo90 on Feb 17, 2022 15:44:42 GMT
I would involve David Clifford this weekend, give him 20 minutes. When you've lost a final you'll be dying to put it in the rear window, and a game in Killarney in front of a crowd that adore you, will cheer him up.
Then give him a couple of weeks off including the entire weekend of the Monaghan game, and then back for Mayo at home.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2022 16:19:12 GMT
Lads David is a 23 year old man and I'm sure he knows if he's able to play or not, and I'm sure if he doesn't want to play or if he feels he needs a rest he will ask for it.
Hes the best player in the county so its not like he'd be afraid to ask for time off for fear of being dropped or some1 taking his spot.
There is only about 10 games left in the intercounty season, so let him decide what's best for himself.
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Post by hurlingman on Feb 22, 2022 9:27:58 GMT
MTUK won the Ryan Cup at the weekend. Anyone got their panel? Can't seem to find it anywhere. I know there was a lad from Duagh on the panel.
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