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Post by ciarraimick on Mar 3, 2022 11:29:12 GMT
I remember. It was Fitzmaurice s first year in charge. Lost first 4 games in league but survived relegation. Won munster and beat by Dubs in an epic semi final.
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Post by dc84 on Mar 3, 2022 11:36:27 GMT
Dublin can fill the stadia as they have big numbers and close proximity. Dublin Kerry is box office so might fill it. Kerry Mayo would nt fill croke park bar a final because Kerry supporters still not great travellers bar finals. We have improved yes but always outnumbered 3 or 4 to one especially if playing Mayo. Last two semi finals v Mayo in 2017 drew 63000 and 53000 but the majority were Mayo. Mayo the best fans for support in the country. We are one of the worst I'm afraid. Sometimes it's about the journey as much as anything in the early noughties when the dubs hadn't won a leinster in years they had huge crowds ditto us in 95-97. Mayo are obviously waiting a bit longer a few all irelands won and things woupd change. Also who wants to watch a hammering as munster and leinster have been when kildare and Dublin play in championship there will be a huge kildare crowd guaranteed as they will feel they actually have a chance now |
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Post by john4 on Mar 3, 2022 11:37:42 GMT
Gooch mentioned on League Sunday that Kerry lost first 4 games of 2013 League and still had a pretty good season, can't remember those losses. That was the year of freezing cold weather up to the middle of April. Hay and silage imported from France!! if I remember correctly. Our first win in the league came against Cork in Tralee. It was 2°C getting into my car at 4pm with an easterly wind!! We bate Tyrone in Healy park by 1 point which kept us up. |
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Post by ciarraimick on Mar 3, 2022 13:52:33 GMT
Dublin can fill the stadia as they have big numbers and close proximity. Dublin Kerry is box office so might fill it. Kerry Mayo would nt fill croke park bar a final because Kerry supporters still not great travellers bar finals. We have improved yes but always outnumbered 3 or 4 to one especially if playing Mayo. Last two semi finals v Mayo in 2017 drew 63000 and 53000 but the majority were Mayo. Mayo the best fans for support in the country. We are one of the worst I'm afraid. Sometimes it's about the journey as much as anything in the early noughties when the dubs hadn't won a leinster in years they had huge crowds ditto us in 95-97. Mayo are obviously waiting a bit longer a few all irelands won and things woupd change. Also who wants to watch a hammering as munster and leinster have been when kildare and Dublin play in championship there will be a huge kildare crowd guaranteed as they will feel they actually have a chance now |
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Post by ciarraimick on Mar 3, 2022 14:01:27 GMT
Dc84. I agree the long journey a big factor for many Kerry fans but we are poor compared to other counties. Maybe success a factor too and I can understand not wanting to travel a long distance for a one sided game. However when two equal teams meet its the small margins that make the difference and a good crowd might get their team over the line. It's happened with Mayo on a few occasions and even us in the backdoor in 2009.Most counties talk about Kerry as poor travellers to support their team and I can't disagree. Also we are nt as good as others at wearing our colours although we have improved big time. Every Kerry supporter going to a big game should wear some form of Kerry colour even if only a T shirt or a scarf or a headband. Some of our ex players are the worst offenders. I ve seen many ex players from Dublin Kilkenny Cork Wear their colours in croker. I saw an ex Kerry player wear a light blue jumper in 15 final and we playing Dublin and in 19 final I saw another Kerry ex player wear blue in croke park hotel before game. That does not happen with other counties.
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Post by dc84 on Mar 3, 2022 14:50:29 GMT
Dc84. I agree the long journey a big factor for many Kerry fans but we are poor compared to other counties. Maybe success a factor too and I can understand not wanting to travel a long distance for a one sided game. However when two equal teams meet its the small margins that make the difference and a good crowd might get their team over the line. It's happened with Mayo on a few occasions and even us in the backdoor in 2009.Most counties talk about Kerry as poor travellers to support their team and I can't disagree. Also we are nt as good as others at wearing our colours although we have improved big time. Every Kerry supporter going to a big game should wear some form of Kerry colour even if only a T shirt or a scarf or a headband. Some of our ex players are the worst offenders. I ve seen many ex players from Dublin Kilkenny Cork Wear their colours in croker. I saw an ex Kerry player wear a light blue jumper in 15 final and we playing Dublin and in 19 final I saw another Kerry ex player wear blue in croke park hotel before game. That does not happen with other counties. I meant the journey to winning an ai rather than physical journey the emotional journey. I went to 95% of kerry championship games between 94-2004 then a combination of qualifiers (too many games) and the fact I got bored of seeing kerry hammer munster teams except cork I stopped going to those except cork, now that we are routinely hammering cork I have stopped going to those aswell that's my point it feels stale to me until quarters where there is real jeopardy. Interestingly I go to as many if not more league games now. Also I agree with everything above and to add we are less vocal than everyone else aswell! |
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Post by ciarraimick on Mar 3, 2022 15:02:19 GMT
Sound man DC.
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Post by ciarraimick on Mar 3, 2022 16:37:22 GMT
When you are based in Dublin like I am I would live to see more Kerry support. More noise and more colour.
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Post by thepromisedland on Mar 3, 2022 16:46:32 GMT
Dc84. I agree the long journey a big factor for many Kerry fans but we are poor compared to other counties. Maybe success a factor too and I can understand not wanting to travel a long distance for a one sided game. However when two equal teams meet its the small margins that make the difference and a good crowd might get their team over the line. It's happened with Mayo on a few occasions and even us in the backdoor in 2009.Most counties talk about Kerry as poor travellers to support their team and I can't disagree. Also we are nt as good as others at wearing our colours although we have improved big time. Every Kerry supporter going to a big game should wear some form of Kerry colour even if only a T shirt or a scarf or a headband. Some of our ex players are the worst offenders. I ve seen many ex players from Dublin Kilkenny Cork Wear their colours in croker. I saw an ex Kerry player wear a light blue jumper in 15 final and we playing Dublin and in 19 final I saw another Kerry ex player wear blue in croke park hotel before game. That does not happen with other counties. Absolutely 💯 agree with you Mick. You'll see a really sizeable following from Mayo I bet you next Saturday night week down in Tralee. They have a Mayo Day celebrated worldwide every May, they even have a logo for it, pasted on many of their official department vehicles up here. We have got complacent and have fallen behind a lot in a lot of ways, in being patriotic and expressing it. Turn Austin Stack Park and Fitzgerald Stadium into real fortresses of coloured patriotism, seating and colouring, visually enhanced. When Kerry supporters travel North for league games, it's often the case, that we are looked after, hospitality wise. We should be returning the favour. Only fair and right. Like the Offalyman and the Rebel mascot with his sombrero and his bodhrán, we should have similar with those things. Be really proud of who we are, where we are from and in what we are representing for God's sake. We are Kerry FFS! |
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Post by southward on Mar 3, 2022 17:17:59 GMT
Dc84. I agree the long journey a big factor for many Kerry fans but we are poor compared to other counties. Maybe success a factor too and I can understand not wanting to travel a long distance for a one sided game. However when two equal teams meet its the small margins that make the difference and a good crowd might get their team over the line. It's happened with Mayo on a few occasions and even us in the backdoor in 2009.Most counties talk about Kerry as poor travellers to support their team and I can't disagree. This is an old chestnut and I don't agree at all. Firstly, Kerry is only middling in terms of population. It's also one of the remotest counties. Furthermore, Kerry have been at the business end year in, year out for over a hundred years. No other county has had to travel to HQ anywhere near as often and you can't expect vast hordes every single time. Different when you're a newly emerging county and it's still a novelty. And for all that, I think we hold our own. Granted, Mayo have great support, hunger is a great sauce, but who else outdoes us with any regularity? Someone earlier referenced the Dublin v Galway AI S/F of 2018. The attendance that day was 55,000. I mentioned at the time that, allowing 50,000 of those to be Dubs, it would be roughly the equivalent of 5,000 Kerry supporters turning up for an AI semi-final in Killarney. We're not that bad, lads. |
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Post by ciarraimick on Mar 3, 2022 18:31:15 GMT
Southward I know where you ré coming from but We are fairly weak as supporters. We have a bigger population than Mayo and some parts of Mayo are fairly remote too. As DC stated also we not as vocal either. Yes all counties get fed up of going all the time but not Mayo. They are relentless. Also as I've stated previously many ex players wera colours closer to the opposition than Kerry. Now this has been mentioned many times to me by Dubs Mayo men and Corkmen and even lads I work with from Laois and Wicklow. Are they too proud? I've seen Larry Tompkins wear the Cork colours when Cork are playing(and he s not even a Corkman) I've seen Ciarán Duff with his Dublin Jersey. John Power Kilkenny with his but not our lads. No. Now there are a few exceptions. I've seen "The Bomber" wear a Kerry neck scarf and Maurice Fitz fair play I've often seen with his Kerry colours before he. was a selector.I've seen the 3 Ó Sé s on numerous occasions and no colours. It does nt look good and it gives off a sense of I'm too important. Aidan Ó Mahoney admitted seeing and hearing the support drives the team on and many ex players have said when you see the sprinkle of colours on croke park it gives extra energy. It's not only ex players. Alot of Kerry supporters don't wera their county colours. I'm not even suggesting they wera a Jersey but wear some colours. A scarf a green jumper a rosette. Anything but be proud of where you ré from and support your county with pride.
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Post by ciarraimick on Mar 3, 2022 18:36:16 GMT
Promisedland you are a 100% correct. Be proud of our county in victory and defeat and make Fitzgerald stadium and Austin Stack Park special places for all visitors.
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Post by thepromisedland on Mar 3, 2022 18:45:41 GMT
Dc84. I agree the long journey a big factor for many Kerry fans but we are poor compared to other counties. Maybe success a factor too and I can understand not wanting to travel a long distance for a one sided game. However when two equal teams meet its the small margins that make the difference and a good crowd might get their team over the line. It's happened with Mayo on a few occasions and even us in the backdoor in 2009.Most counties talk about Kerry as poor travellers to support their team and I can't disagree. This is an old chestnut and I don't agree at all. Firstly, Kerry is only middling in terms of population. It's also one of the remotest counties. Furthermore, Kerry have been at the business end year in, year out for over a hundred years. No other county has had to travel to HQ anywhere near as often and you can't expect vast hordes every single time. Different when you're a newly emerging county and it's still a novelty. And for all that, I think we hold our own. Granted, Mayo have great support, hunger is a great sauce, but who else outdoes us with any regularity? Someone earlier referenced the Dublin v Galway AI S/F of 2018. The attendance that day was 55,000. I mentioned at the time that, allowing 50,000 of those to be Dubs, it would be roughly the equivalent of 5,000 Kerry supporters turning up for an AI semi-final in Killarney. We're not that bad, lads. I take your point Southward, and you have made some brilliant observational and insightful points there. But we are Kerry, we should be better. Like a man that goes out and dresses differently on a Saturday night, golden rule in business, got to do something to stand out from the crowd to get attention from the ladies, thinking outside the box, be noticed and having pride in one's identity and where you are from. This is what we should be doing, being way more creative, Kerry is a very creative and entrepreneurial when it comes to most things. As a people we need to apply his more in regarding lots of other things. We are unique and proud, and should be expressing this and especially to our sports stars. Our GAA teams need this. I am very cognisant of the fact of inflation and fuel costs prohibiting more travelling to games at this difficult time financially. We are not a wealthy county in comparison to quite a lot of others, commuter belt one's in particular. GAA is one of our strongest assets, let's show it more. |
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Post by dc84 on Mar 3, 2022 20:17:27 GMT
Some of the mayo thing I understand now the amount of mayo people that I have worked up here is unreal by far the most of anyone outside dublin and commuter counties. In contrast the amount of kerry people I've worked with came across socially wouldn't make a 5 a side team.
This has to be a factor (it also provides free accommodation to lots living in mayo.
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Post by ciarraimick on Mar 3, 2022 20:37:55 GMT
Fair point DC. I work with people from lots of counties but funny enough not too many Kerryman. I work with a good few Mayo alright. Despite that though they are fanatical and travel to USA in big numbers too although I guess we might do that too as its a holiday.
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Post by dc84 on Mar 3, 2022 20:49:23 GMT
Fair point DC. I work with people from lots of counties but funny enough not too many Kerryman. I work with a good few Mayo alright. Despite that though they are fanatical and travel to USA in big numbers too although I guess we might do that too as its a holiday. On that I always thought new york should rotate between munster and connacht! |
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Post by ciarraimick on Mar 3, 2022 21:16:58 GMT
Would nt it be some craic if Kerry were playing New York in the big Apple. A great excuse to travel and drink with our own Nó harm in dreaming.
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Post by thehermit on Mar 3, 2022 21:34:49 GMT
Gooch mentioned on League Sunday that Kerry lost first 4 games of 2013 League and still had a pretty good season, can't remember those losses. That was the year of freezing cold weather up to the middle of April. Hay and silage imported from France!! if I remember correctly. Our first win in the league came against Cork in Tralee. It was 2°C getting into my car at 4pm with an easterly wind!! We bate Tyrone in Healy park by 1 point which kept us up.
Was that the Cork game when Galvin came on and straight away they sent on O'Leary and the first thing that happened was the two buckos getting into a brawl. Did O'Leary see red for it or was it just a yellow flashed to both. I can't remember exactly but I certainly remember being in a packed stand in ASP and it getting very heated between the big Kerry crowd and the Cork fans.
That oinseach in the sambro was down in the front row and was going berserk turning around to all of us like he was going to take us all! Ah sure any day you beat Cork is a good day.
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Post by thehermit on Mar 3, 2022 21:39:38 GMT
This is an old chestnut and I don't agree at all. Firstly, Kerry is only middling in terms of population. It's also one of the remotest counties. Furthermore, Kerry have been at the business end year in, year out for over a hundred years. No other county has had to travel to HQ anywhere near as often and you can't expect vast hordes every single time. Different when you're a newly emerging county and it's still a novelty. And for all that, I think we hold our own. Granted, Mayo have great support, hunger is a great sauce, but who else outdoes us with any regularity? Someone earlier referenced the Dublin v Galway AI S/F of 2018. The attendance that day was 55,000. I mentioned at the time that, allowing 50,000 of those to be Dubs, it would be roughly the equivalent of 5,000 Kerry supporters turning up for an AI semi-final in Killarney. We're not that bad, lads. But we are Kerry, we should be better. Like a man that goes out and dresses differently on a Saturday night, golden rule in business, got to do something to stand out from the crowd to get attention from the ladies, thinking outside the box, be noticed and having pride in one's identity and where you are from. Ah jeez lad don't be saying your another fan of that bloody book The Game! Never mind that peacocking s*ite Paul Galvin has a lot to answer for - hold on, always talking about being stuck in Mayo and design now talking about fashion. It must be the man himself  |
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Post by john4 on Mar 3, 2022 22:04:55 GMT
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_National_Football_League_(Ireland)That was the year of freezing cold weather up to the middle of April. Hay and silage imported from France!! if I remember correctly. Our first win in the league came against Cork in Tralee. It was 2°C getting into my car at 4pm with an easterly wind!! We bate Tyrone in Healy park by 1 point which kept us up.
Was that the Cork game when Galvin came on and straight away they sent on O'Leary and the first thing that happened was the two buckos getting into a brawl. Did O'Leary see red for it or was it just a yellow flashed to both. I can't remember exactly but I certainly remember being in a packed stand in ASP and it getting very heated between the big Kerry crowd and the Cork fans.
That oinseach in the sambro was down in the front row and was going berserk turning around to all of us like he was going to take us all! Ah sure any day you beat Cork is a good day.
I couldn't be sure about that. I was in the terrace but it's quite possible!! It reached a point with the 2 of them that they only needed to be in the same parish and some one of the 2 of them would be offended by it. O'Leary was 1 tough cookie. A right hard man but by all accounts from people that know him, a gentleman. T'oSé did an interview with him last year which I found very entertaining. |
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Post by thepromisedland on Mar 3, 2022 22:21:26 GMT
But we are Kerry, we should be better. Like a man that goes out and dresses differently on a Saturday night, golden rule in business, got to do something to stand out from the crowd to get attention from the ladies, thinking outside the box, be noticed and having pride in one's identity and where you are from. Ah jeez lad don't be saying your another fan of that bloody book The Game! Never mind that peacocking s*ite Paul Galvin has a lot to answer for - hold on, always talking about being stuck in Mayo and design now talking about fashion. It must be the man himself Don't worry hermit, I'm no player at all, I'm only out to meet The One. I'm as genuine and as sincere as you'll get. I'm not a young spring chicken anymore!! You are right, that book on The Game is pure s***e, a present of it was given to me of that 5 years show, I threw it into the fire straight away, as it's a bad example to romance. Would you believe, I'm distantly related to Mr. P.G. I don't particularly like what he stands for. I'm my own man.😅🤣😆💯👍. Sorry to disppoint you! I'm not P.G.😅😆🤣🤪😬 |
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Post by thehermit on Mar 3, 2022 22:31:58 GMT
Was that the Cork game when Galvin came on and straight away they sent on O'Leary and the first thing that happened was the two buckos getting into a brawl. Did O'Leary see red for it or was it just a yellow flashed to both. I can't remember exactly but I certainly remember being in a packed stand in ASP and it getting very heated between the big Kerry crowd and the Cork fans.
That oinseach in the sambro was down in the front row and was going berserk turning around to all of us like he was going to take us all! Ah sure any day you beat Cork is a good day.
I couldn't be sure about that. I was in the terrace but it's quite possible!! It reached a point with the 2 of them that they only needed to be in the same parish and some one of the 2 of them would be offended by it. O'Leary was 1 tough cookie. A right hard man but by all accounts from people that know him, a gentleman. T'oSé did an interview with him last year which I found very entertaining. Cheers I'll give a listen to that. Yeah he was some hard boyo alright isn't he a tree surgeon or something like that. I remember him doing a preview of the infamous game from 2020 on the radio the day before and talking about how he wasn't a great man for the gym, the muscles were built up from the day job. Ah Noel was the perfect pantomime villain, I was sorry in that sense the day he retired. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2022 22:44:53 GMT
If I remember correctly in 2013 we went the second half of our game against Mayo in Castlebar without scoring and first half against dublin the following week in killarney without scoring, that was a full 70 mins straight without a score although in 2 different games.
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Post by thehermit on Mar 3, 2022 23:01:29 GMT
If I remember correctly in 2013 we went the second half of our game against Mayo in Castlebar without scoring and first half against dublin the following week in killarney without scoring, that was a full 70 mins straight without a score although in 2 different games. Yeah I was at that Dublin game and remember that well. Fitzy never seemed too pushed about the League in those first 3 years |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2022 2:11:27 GMT
If I remember correctly in 2013 we went the second half of our game against Mayo in Castlebar without scoring and first half against dublin the following week in killarney without scoring, that was a full 70 mins straight without a score although in 2 different games. Yeah I was at that Dublin game and remember that well. Fitzy never seemed too pushed about the League in those first 3 years [br ya it was a strange league, we were all excited to see what Fitzmaurice could bring us after Jack. 2013 the year of the gathering, we played Cavan in the allireland quarter final and we looked crap, it was an awful game, the semifinal was a very good game but bad result. |
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Post by Ballyfireside on Mar 4, 2022 3:11:59 GMT
If I remember correctly in 2013 we went the second half of our game against Mayo in Castlebar without scoring and first half against dublin the following week in killarney without scoring, that was a full 70 mins straight without a score although in 2 different games. Personifies the rivalry, 'Ciarogues' the pair of 'em, pity we more remember the fishing though there was a bit of ball played too, entertainment was always guaranteed - those were the days my friend! |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2022 15:15:58 GMT
If I remember correctly in 2013 we went the second half of our game against Mayo in Castlebar without scoring and first half against dublin the following week in killarney without scoring, that was a full 70 mins straight without a score although in 2 different games. Personifies the rivalry, 'Ciarogues' the pair of 'em, pity we more remember the fishing though there was a bit of ball played too, entertainment was always guaranteed - those were the days my friend! that's true. Is it just me or did the league seem harder back then? |
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Post by gaelicden on Mar 4, 2022 15:59:59 GMT
Gooch mentioned on League Sunday that Kerry lost first 4 games of 2013 League and still had a pretty good season, can't remember those losses. That was the year of freezing cold weather up to the middle of April. Hay and silage imported from France!! if I remember correctly. Our first win in the league came against Cork in Tralee. It was 2°C getting into my car at 4pm with an easterly wind!! We bate Tyrone in Healy park by 1 point which kept us up. Bate Tyrone by a point to move onto 6 points but could still have been relegated only for the Dubs and Paul Mannion, he kicked an equalising score deep into injury time to draw with Donegal, leaving them on 5 points and relegated in our place. Had they held out, we'd have been relegated with a -19 scoring difference, well behind Cork (-6), Donegal (in this instance +1), and Mayo (+3) who would all have finished with 6 points each. Cork would fall into this trap 3 years later, relegated on 6 points and a crap scoring difference and they haven't been back near the top tier since. 2022 so far is like 2013 but with Kerry and Dublin reversed. Dublin play Tyrone next, beat Tyrone and there's a chance. Maybe they might need the return favour of an equalising point by ourselves against Tyrone in a few weeks time. Here's the highlights of Dublin saving our bacon. |
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Post by Ballyfireside on Mar 4, 2022 18:42:40 GMT
Personifies the rivalry, 'Ciarogues' the pair of 'em, pity we more remember the fishing though there was a bit of ball played too, entertainment was always guaranteed - those were the days my friend! that's true. Is it just me or did the league seem harder back then? When boys were men, harder men? |
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Post by dc84 on Mar 13, 2022 11:09:31 GMT
Big day in the relegation end of things monaghan dublin and Tyrone all looking for points. Dublin in particular feels like they are at a big crossroad I know people might point to mayo going down doing them no harm but different circumstances they were relegated with 5 points and crucially-1 score difference they were competitive in most of those games so mood music wouldn't have been that bad.
The big thing for me is will some more of dublins older players have the stomach for d2 football ? Playing less games on tv smaller grounds (Parnell pk) it won't Excatly be Hollywood. Fitzsimons and Cooper are still their best defenders will they decide to hang up the boots?
Monaghan are on borrowed time I think if they escape this year which will be tough Donegal then newbridge next week and dubs to finish out they will go next year just too many good players wrong side of 30. I predict monaghan and dublin will go down unless they win today.
Big day for Derry and roscommon today in d2 as well only one of them will go up I think Galway will do enough I feel.
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