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Post by thehermit on Mar 1, 2022 14:57:11 GMT
Just looking at the remaining fixtures and League table you would think Tyrone would be well up on home soil for driving another stake into Dublin. Donegal might not be too bothered about getting a win in Croker given they should be safe anyway but lets say Dublin lose to Tyrone and beat Donegal then they are going into a final game away to Monaghan with both counties needing a win to avoid the drop. I still can't see Dublin going down, I'm sure they'll get the usual dodgy ref decisions to swing a game when it really matters - yet its not as fanciful a prospect as it was a month ago. No harm if they did drop and were given a good serving of humility. Would still expect them to be there or there abouts come the summer with the players to come back. But remember too that no team coming down to D2 has won an All Ireland in many a long year I can't see dublin going down either, the gaa won't allow it after pumping nearly 30 million into them over the last number of years. Wait for a dodgy red card to a Tyrone player, probably a Nial Morgan and a load of very soft frees and a penalty for dublin. dublin always lived off of the soft free their reffs used to give them. When oh when did we become so cynical Kingdomboy  |
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Post by ciarrai74 on Mar 1, 2022 15:34:29 GMT
Hello lads [Horsebox/The Hermit/Kingdom]. Hope all are keeping well. I finally joined here[couldn't have my old username. 'GreenAndGold74].
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Post by royalkerryfan on Mar 1, 2022 16:05:27 GMT
Dublin are going down lads,
Both themselves and Tyrone need a win in two weeks and Tyrone would love nothing more than sending them down.
Yes they'll bounce back up but it's some indictment that the 6 time all ireland champions of the last 7 years are relegated.
Now I know posters want to keep them up etc but I don't.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Mar 1, 2022 16:11:48 GMT
I can't see dublin going down either, the gaa won't allow it after pumping nearly 30 million into them over the last number of years. Wait for a dodgy red card to a Tyrone player, probably a Nial Morgan and a load of very soft frees and a penalty for dublin. dublin always lived off of the soft free their reffs used to give them. When oh when did we become so cynical Kingdomboy Dubs won't get much mercy from Dgal I'm afraid and if Kildare is the benchmark then we are in for another cracker. With the AI champs already disposed of at the weekend this would be just the notch in the belt to light the Dgal fire. Many question Bonnar but in fairness none of the losses can are attributable to him IMO. They are a tight bunch and what is often forgotten is the sheer depth and quality of raw sports culture and consequent expertise up here, it has always been one big playground, I'd say there is more sport here than anywhere else on the planet, stems from creativity - there are instances of it being quenched elsewhere and NKs lack of county players is hardly a coincidence? I think not and believe you me, I have the scars to prove it, I had GAA articles rejected by the Ballydonoghue Parish Magazine, the same publication that recently prematurely announced the death of a well known national politician who wasn't exactly a friend of theirs. They even refused to withdraw the offending material at the time and word is the victim is still none the wiser while the said news still spreads around the world. Imagine! Ballythefireside Quote of the day - Power corrupts and absolute power absolutely corrupts |
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Post by ciarrai74 on Mar 1, 2022 16:19:46 GMT
It's almost hard to believe the once mighty Dubs could be relegated.
I'm sure many County Boards will be disappointed from a financial aspect if Dublin go down.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2022 16:23:00 GMT
I can't see dublin going down either, the gaa won't allow it after pumping nearly 30 million into them over the last number of years. Wait for a dodgy red card to a Tyrone player, probably a Nial Morgan and a load of very soft frees and a penalty for dublin. dublin always lived off of the soft free their reffs used to give them. When oh when did we become so cynical Kingdomboy I know, its bad isn't it 🤪 |
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Post by horsebox77 on Mar 1, 2022 17:45:21 GMT
When oh when did we become so cynical Kingdomboy I know, its bad isn't it 🤪 You can take the boy from the cynicism of HS but can’t take the HS cynicism from the boy 👦 |
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Post by horsebox77 on Mar 1, 2022 17:46:08 GMT
Dublin are going down lads, Both themselves and Tyrone need a win in two weeks and Tyrone would love nothing more than sending them down. Yes they'll bounce back up but it's some indictment that the 6 time all ireland champions of the last 7 years are relegated. Now I know posters want to keep them up etc but I don't. I’m inclined to agree with you, like the old premiership saying, no team is too big to go down, unfortunately for the Dublin team, they have Tyrone, Donegal and Monaghan. With two of these games away and worse against two teams that also need the points, I can’t see Dubkin getting two points against Tyrone in Omagh and as you alluded to, Tyrone would only love to put the boot in when given half the chance. It may come down to the last game and a dog fight against Monaghan with both teams needing points to stay up. What is crucial is and most haven’t mentioned is that Kildare have them in a head to head if they finish level, this mean that a draw in any of the remaining games may not even be enough, they have to win all three. I can’t see this occurring so, ya, I think they are is serious trouble and favourites to drop, the Kildare game may be the most significant. |
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Post by Ballyfireside on Mar 1, 2022 18:39:20 GMT
It's almost hard to believe the once mighty Dubs could be relegated. I'm sure many County Boards will be disappointed from a financial aspect if Dublin go down. Personally I'd be of the 'may the best team win school' but everyone will want to keep ploughing the Kildare furrow, and being stoked up might be just the medicine our Blues brothers need when we all get down to business. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2022 19:12:05 GMT
I know, its bad isn't it 🤪 You can take the boy from the cynicism of HS but can’t take the HS cynicism from the boy 👦 ain't that the thruth 😂 |
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Post by horsebox77 on Mar 1, 2022 19:44:28 GMT
Hello lads [Horsebox/The Hermit/Kingdom]. Hope all are keeping well. I finally joined here[couldn't have my old username. 'GreenAndGold74]. Great forum here as have done lots of reading recently on the threads. Proper knowledgeable folks unlike that other place we used write on. The family is reuniting... 😁.. it is great to have us move in block.. we're years interacting, it's great to find a common table to continue to converse and maintain contact. |
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Post by mg72 on Mar 1, 2022 19:44:51 GMT
Just looking at the remaining fixtures and League table you would think Tyrone would be well up on home soil for driving another stake into Dublin. Donegal might not be too bothered about getting a win in Croker given they should be safe anyway but lets say Dublin lose to Tyrone and beat Donegal then they are going into a final game away to Monaghan with both counties needing a win to avoid the drop. I still can't see Dublin going down, I'm sure they'll get the usual dodgy ref decisions to swing a game when it really matters - yet its not as fanciful a prospect as it was a month ago. No harm if they did drop and were given a good serving of humility. Would still expect them to be there or there abouts come the summer with the players to come back. But remember too that no team coming down to D2 has won an All Ireland in many a long year From Dublins own point of view, I don't think it'd be the end of the world for them if they go down. If they spend a year or two rebuilding in division 2, I reckon they'll come back nearly as strong as they were in the last decade or so. Hopefully I'm proved wrong though 😬 |
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Post by ciarraimick on Mar 1, 2022 22:26:31 GMT
If Dublin go down I would think they will come straight back up. However looking at the fixtures even if Tyrone beat them they might still stay up. Donegal are not great travellers in the league and Dublin should beat them in Croker. Then they gave Monaghan in last game and 4 points might save them depending on results
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2022 22:37:15 GMT
If Dublin go down I would think they will come straight back up. However looking at the fixtures even if Tyrone beat them they might still stay up. Donegal are not great travellers in the league and Dublin should beat them in Croker. Then they gave Monaghan in last game and 4 points might save them depending on results if Tyrone beat them Mick they'd have to hammer Donegal and Monaghan because of the points difference, or does it go on wins against? |
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Post by horsebox77 on Mar 1, 2022 22:42:11 GMT
Head to head first but if more than two finish on same points, then scoring average comes into play.
The first round draws and the one point allocated though means Dublin may have to win all three.. more so as Kildare have them on a head to head
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2022 22:42:14 GMT
Hello lads [Horsebox/The Hermit/Kingdom]. Hope all are keeping well. I finally joined here[couldn't have my old username. 'GreenAndGold74]. Great forum here as have done lots of reading recently on the threads. Proper knowledgeable folks unlike that other place we used write on. welcome greenandgold74, fair play to you for joining the rest of us refugees. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2022 22:43:54 GMT
Head to head first but if more than two finish on same points, then scoring average comes into play. The first round draws and the one point allocated though means Dublin may have to win all three.. more so as Kildare have them on a head to head that's right, so if Tyrone win it could be curtains 🤔 |
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Post by horsebox77 on Mar 1, 2022 22:46:54 GMT
Head to head first but if more than two finish on same points, then scoring average comes into play. The first round draws and the one point allocated though means Dublin may have to win all three.. more so as Kildare have them on a head to head that's right, so if Tyrone win it could be curtains 🤔 More or less yes, as they would both have Dublin on a head to head. The next round of fixtures could be the deciding round at both sides of the table |
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Post by clarinman on Mar 1, 2022 23:02:39 GMT
Head to head first but if more than two finish on same points, then scoring average comes into play. The first round draws and the one point allocated though means Dublin may have to win all three.. more so as Kildare have them on a head to head It may come down to Kildare Monaghan game in round 6. If Kildare win that, Dublin will need to get to 6 points. If Monaghan win, 4 points may do for Dublin if Kildare don't pick up anymore points. |
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Post by ciarraimick on Mar 1, 2022 23:28:23 GMT
Spot on Horsebox. You just wrote my post for me. Welcome abooarf Ciarraí 74.
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Post by ciarraimick on Mar 1, 2022 23:32:44 GMT
Sorry I meant Clarinman posted what I was thinking. If Kildare win no more and Monaghan just beat Kildare the a win for Dublin v Monaghan would be enough for Dubs to survive with 4 points
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2022 11:27:44 GMT
Head to head first but if more than two finish on same points, then scoring average comes into play. The first round draws and the one point allocated though means Dublin may have to win all three.. more so as Kildare have them on a head to head It may come down to Kildare Monaghan game in round 6. If Kildare win that, Dublin will need to get to 6 points. If Monaghan win, 4 points may do for Dublin if Kildare don't pick up anymore points. kildare are away to Armagh, so they could possibly get a draw, Kildare were good against us after a shaky start, they could have got something out of the Tyrone game as well. Usually I'd be looking at ulster teams away and I'd be thinking that'll be tough games but the last few years they don't seem to be taking the league that seriously, so the dubs have a great chance even though they're playing poorly. |
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Post by dc84 on Mar 2, 2022 12:18:27 GMT
It may come down to Kildare Monaghan game in round 6. If Kildare win that, Dublin will need to get to 6 points. If Monaghan win, 4 points may do for Dublin if Kildare don't pick up anymore points. kildare are away to Armagh, so they could possibly get a draw, Kildare were good against us after a shaky start, they could have got something out of the Tyrone game as well. Usually I'd be looking at ulster teams away and I'd be thinking that'll be tough games but the last few years they don't seem to be taking the league that seriously, so the dubs have a great chance even though they're playing poorly. Also Ulster teams are for the most part overrated let's be honest I'd be shocked if the 4 provinces aren't represented in semis. At least 3 of Tyrone, kerry, dublin and mayo will be there you would bet. Monaghan aren't great and don't have a whole pile missing, Donegal flater to deceive and with an ageing Murphy are vulnerable. Derry and armagh have made steady progress but wont win an ai anytime soon id wager and are at about the level of kildare,Galway and roscommon. Tyrone are a bit ahead of everyone in Ulster and look to me as not going anywhere just like kerry and mayo dublin will surely get their act together whether this year or shortly. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2022 16:22:01 GMT
kildare are away to Armagh, so they could possibly get a draw, Kildare were good against us after a shaky start, they could have got something out of the Tyrone game as well. Usually I'd be looking at ulster teams away and I'd be thinking that'll be tough games but the last few years they don't seem to be taking the league that seriously, so the dubs have a great chance even though they're playing poorly. Also Ulster teams are for the most part overrated let's be honest I'd be shocked if the 4 provinces aren't represented in semis. At least 3 of Tyrone, kerry, dublin and mayo will be there you would bet. Monaghan aren't great and don't have a whole pile missing, Donegal flater to deceive and with an ageing Murphy are vulnerable. Derry and armagh have made steady progress but wont win an ai anytime soon id wager and are at about the level of kildare,Galway and roscommon. Tyrone are a bit ahead of everyone in Ulster and look to me as not going anywhere just like kerry and mayo dublin will surely get their act together whether this year or shortly. that's true. |
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Post by Ballyfireside on Mar 2, 2022 20:58:28 GMT
It's almost hard to believe the once mighty Dubs could be relegated. I'm sure many County Boards will be disappointed from a financial aspect if Dublin go down. Welcome aboard - you have big shoes to fill with your fellow immigrants breathing new life into this forum, they appear to like it and it likes them - how bad is that? |
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Post by givehimaball on Mar 2, 2022 22:49:41 GMT
In light of all the talk about Dublin being in transition and having to bring through new players I think it's worth pointing out an interesting contrast with Roscommon who have won 3 league games and drew their other 1 [albeit in Division 2] have given 16 players their senior intercounty debut this year.
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Post by Kerryman Randy Savage on Mar 2, 2022 22:53:09 GMT
It's almost hard to believe the once mighty Dubs could be relegated. I'm sure many County Boards will be disappointed from a financial aspect if Dublin go down. I dont understand this talk about the loss of money and Dublin attendance. Ignoring the Covid age, the attendance is dwindling like the new time in Leinster. This year the Ladies Leinster Final is on the same day as the men's Leinster final to massage the attendance figures so it doesnt slump under 40k. The All Ireland semi-final v Galway was on a Saturday evening in 2018 and didn't sell out. Dublin fans have become accustomed to success so will not be wasting 40€ on a ticket to see the likes of Longford ship a hiding in the quarter final, and rather wait for the final. I dont blame them, its a natural reaction to getting milked by the GAA for years. We can all agree the All Ireland final is a sell out whoever plays, but apart from Dublin v Kerry (championship knockout) and Dublin v Mayo (championship knockout), what other game would sell out Croker? |
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Post by horsebox77 on Mar 3, 2022 8:48:36 GMT
An Ulster final with one novel side would push it close, if Derry or Armagh for example got that far this year then, yes I could realistically see 60K or there abouts but agree wouldn't be to the rafters jammed same as a Kerry, Mayo or Dublin combination.
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Post by ciarraimick on Mar 3, 2022 9:34:29 GMT
Dublin can fill the stadia as they have big numbers and close proximity. Dublin Kerry is box office so might fill it. Kerry Mayo would nt fill croke park bar a final because Kerry supporters still not great travellers bar finals. We have improved yes but always outnumbered 3 or 4 to one especially if playing Mayo. Last two semi finals v Mayo in 2017 drew 63000 and 53000 but the majority were Mayo. Mayo the best fans for support in the country. We are one of the worst I'm afraid.
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Post by piggott on Mar 3, 2022 10:47:53 GMT
Gooch mentioned on League Sunday that Kerry lost first 4 games of 2013 League and still had a pretty good season, can't remember those losses.
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