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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2022 22:42:40 GMT
While frustrating to see slow Kerry play, I think worth bearing in mind that Kerry tried direct running plenty of times against Tyrone last year and were swallowed whole. The direct running game can be too predictable at times and patience is often required.
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Post by ciarraimick on Jan 5, 2022 22:45:54 GMT
I listened to game on radio so I got a biased view from Timmy and Ambrose. I don't think we can réad anything on this game as Limerick were very poor. According to the 2 boys Paudie was excellent and all the backs did well but I don't think we can really judge Kerry until league starts.
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Post by veteran on Jan 5, 2022 22:52:57 GMT
Fine report Hermit. The easy approach is to go the match and keep all your observations to yourself. It takes a bit of an effort to recall detail to transmit to supporters who are not fortunate enough to be there. I would urge others to do as Hermit did tonight. Take the trouble to give a report. The more reports we get the more balance we get. We all have our biases and blind spots.
In any case Hermit, from listening to Radio Kerry you seem to have provided us with all the salient points. Extremely grateful for your significant input.
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Post by thehermit on Jan 5, 2022 22:59:21 GMT
While frustrating to see slow Kerry play, I think worth bearing in mind that Kerry tried direct running plenty of times against Tyrone last year and were swallowed whole. The direct running game can be too predictable at times and patience is often required. True enough and unlike the plan A and if that doesn't work try plan A more approach to the Tyrone match, I hope the new management team appreciate that sometimes a good long kick pass into space (or the arms of an unmarked Clifford) might be the key to victory! |
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Post by thehermit on Jan 5, 2022 23:01:08 GMT
Fine report Hermit. The easy approach is to go the match and keep all your observations to yourself. It takes a bit of an effort to recall detail to transmit to supporters who are not fortunate enough to be there. I would urge others to do as Hermit did tonight. Take the trouble to give a report. The more reports we get the more balance we get. We all have our biases and blind spots. In any case Hermit, from listening to Radio Kerry you seem to have provided us with all the salient points. Extremely grateful for your significant input. Praise from Caesar 
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Post by kerryboyo on Jan 5, 2022 23:01:20 GMT
Lads are overhyping Okunbor too much give the lad some time everytime I’ve went into my phone this evening a picture of him winning a throw in as the only worth thing he did this evening is everywhere . Relax a bit the lad had a good game against cork under 20 was poor agaisnt kildare, wasn’t a great minor
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Post by Mickmack on Jan 5, 2022 23:10:23 GMT
Well as the hot Bushmills percolates my bones and brain and slowly defrosts my iced core I might as well give my two cents on tonight's proceedings. The bitter cold meant the Kerry jersey was buried deep deep beneath many layers of wool (and Christmas pudding - seriously I never remember putting so much weight on any Christmas before). But I rambled up to the half way line on the terrace side and with the constant thought "its the eve of Little Christmas and only a Limerick B team on the field" I still dwelt on the satisfaction of being able to see a Kerry game in person. If one thing has come out of this pandemic, its appreciating the joy of going to live sporting events. I'll never take the simple pleasure of being able to go to a game for granted again. As for the match itself, well Kerry started brightly and had it won within ten minutes. Its clear some of the older guard came with the attitude that we need to sow a few seeds of doubt in the new Bainisteoir's head if he's thinking of relegating us to the sub bench or worse. That was particularly the case with the Dingle man. You felt he was fighting toot and nail to prove he was not yesterday's man just yet. I felt Paul was an impressive performer all night. Stephen showed energy too but the Clifford's were a class apart on the field tonight. You'd swear it was their first outing and they were trying desperately to impress skeptics. Paudie was the standout of the brothers and the Kerry team in all. I felt I could detect an early determination to right the fact he was seconded bested by Tyrone when it mattered most last season. But maybe that's reading too much into a performance before Christmas has even ended. Some of David's scores were, as usual, sublime but he showed some great commitment too. With the game long won he still tracked back to dispose a Limerick man on the Kerry side of the half way. And he was vocal at the water break and even in the dugout once substituted. There was also some beautiful kicking passing, long and accurate into the full forward line and Killian was responsible for a couple that landed sweetly into David's hands. They briefly warmed up a bitter night. But after all that it is hard to pick out much else for special mention. I was watching keenly all the new debutantes put honestly there was not much to report on. Limerick were so outclassed that making any judgement of the defence is hard. O Donoghue, Warren and Breen did little wrong but nothing too noteworthy. However a couple of times in the early minutes Limerick made dangerous forays into the Kerry goalmouth and it was worryingly noticeable how much our full back line was caught out of position and left the door open. The midfield did their job without any serious test. While there's naturally a lot of insert in Okunbor's performance I can't honestly say I saw anything that deserves special mention for the half he played. Much the same for the rake of substitutes that started to come on from the start of the second half on. Of the lot Tony Brosnan was the shinning light and he kicked a couple of lovely scores. But Ó Beaglaíoch, Savage, O Shea, Roche and Gammel did little to grab the crowds attention. Burns came on two and harsh as this probably sounds given the context of the game - but I felt if he was looking to make Jack think, he didn't succeed too well. I'm not sure he is inter-county standard at this stage given all the chances he's had. So a 23 point win but nothing to make you dream of a homecoming in Denny St next July. As someone already mentioned above, Kerry - despite the impressive scoreline - were often too slow and ponderous. Its infuriating (but increasingly common) to see Kerry players run onto a ball and then (almost by instinct now) check their run, turn and look behind them for someone to pass to. Direct running, pace and accuracy that's surely the road to glory?! As for how the year might pan out based on tonight, well tomorrow never knows as the great musical geniuses of the 20th Century once sang. Anyway so ends my first match report for the Kerry GAA forum. Be kind! Go hiontach ar fad. |
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Post by Ballyfireside on Jan 5, 2022 23:15:20 GMT
I was there. Despite the big winning margin, Kerry were poor I thought. Very slow and ponderous with no one willing to take it on. Paudie Clifford was the exception, he really is a brilliant footballer. I couldn’t pick out anyone else who impressed. Based on tonight, midfield won’t be Okunbor’s position anyway. 'Of the Kerry newcomers, both Warren and midfielder Stefan Okunbor were withdrawn at half-time, their early calling ashore linked to the fact that their respective clubs, Gneeveguilla and Na Gaeil, are in Munster club final action the weekend after next.' |
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Jan 5, 2022 23:21:36 GMT
I was there. Despite the big winning margin, Kerry were poor I thought. Very slow and ponderous with no one willing to take it on. Paudie Clifford was the exception, he really is a brilliant footballer. I couldn’t pick out anyone else who impressed. Based on tonight, midfield won’t be Okunbor’s position anyway. 'Of the Kerry newcomers, both Warren and midfielder Stefan Okunbor were withdrawn at half-time, their early calling ashore linked to the fact that their respective clubs, Gneeveguilla and Na Gaeil, are in Munster club final action the weekend after next.' Yes he only played a half but my impression was based on the game and even before the game is that if he’s to contribute it will be in one of the back six positions rather than midfield. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2022 23:31:53 GMT
Lads are overhyping Okunbor too much give the lad some time everytime I’ve went into my phone this evening a picture of him winning a throw in as the only worth thing he did this evening is everywhere . Relax a bit the lad had a good game against cork under 20 was poor agaisnt kildare, wasn’t a great minor Most people from what I can tell are saying he has a way to go yet and i have seen very little hype surrounding him. I think people are curious to see how he adapts but are also realistic. |
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Post by Mickmack on Jan 5, 2022 23:35:16 GMT
Lads are overhyping Okunbor too much give the lad some time everytime I’ve went into my phone this evening a picture of him winning a throw in as the only worth thing he did this evening is everywhere . Relax a bit the lad had a good game against cork under 20 was poor agaisnt kildare, wasn’t a great minor Most people from what I can tell are saying he has a way to go yet and i have seen very little hype surrounding him. I think people are curious to see how he adapts but are also realistic. I'd call it cautiously pessimistic hype. |
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Post by thehermit on Jan 5, 2022 23:39:07 GMT
'Of the Kerry newcomers, both Warren and midfielder Stefan Okunbor were withdrawn at half-time, their early calling ashore linked to the fact that their respective clubs, Gneeveguilla and Na Gaeil, are in Munster club final action the weekend after next.' Yes he only played a half but my impression was based on the game and even before the game is that if he’s to contribute it will be in one of the back six positions rather than midfield. Well during the first half he was frequently drifting back to centre back, or more accurately he took up position in front of centre back. In fact on a couple of occasions I saw Breen and him gesture to each other so that when one went forward, the other minded the shop and vice-versa.
I agree with other posters we are expecting too much too soon, we have the disappointment of Tommy from 2016 to temper our thoughts. Let him back with Na Gaeil and maybe see how he does then later in the League coming in off the bench. If he manages to secure a substitute spot for Kerry this summer he will be doing very well.
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Post by Kingdomson on Jan 5, 2022 23:41:00 GMT
Well as the hot Bushmills percolates my bones and brain and slowly defrosts my iced core I might as well give my two cents on tonight's proceedings. The bitter cold meant the Kerry jersey was buried deep deep beneath many layers of wool (and Christmas pudding - seriously I never remember putting so much weight on any Christmas before). But I rambled up to the half way line on the terrace side and with the constant thought "its the eve of Little Christmas and only a Limerick B team on the field" I still dwelt on the satisfaction of being able to see a Kerry game in person. If one thing has come out of this pandemic, its appreciating the joy of going to live sporting events. I'll never take the simple pleasure of being able to go to a game for granted again. As for the match itself, well Kerry started brightly and had it won within ten minutes. Its clear some of the older guard came with the attitude that we need to sow a few seeds of doubt in the new Bainisteoir's head if he's thinking of relegating us to the sub bench or worse. That was particularly the case with the Dingle man. You felt he was fighting toot and nail to prove he was not yesterday's man just yet. I felt Paul was an impressive performer all night. Stephen showed energy too but the Clifford's were a class apart on the field tonight. You'd swear it was their first outing and they were trying desperately to impress skeptics. Paudie was the standout of the brothers and the Kerry team in all. I felt I could detect an early determination to right the fact he was seconded bested by Tyrone when it mattered most last season. But maybe that's reading too much into a performance before Christmas has even ended. Some of David's scores were, as usual, sublime but he showed some great commitment too. With the game long won he still tracked back to dispose a Limerick man on the Kerry side of the half way. And he was vocal at the water break and even in the dugout once substituted. There was also some beautiful kicking passing, long and accurate into the full forward line and Killian was responsible for a couple that landed sweetly into David's hands. They briefly warmed up a bitter night. But after all that it is hard to pick out much else for special mention. I was watching keenly all the new debutantes put honestly there was not much to report on. Limerick were so outclassed that making any judgement of the defence is hard. O Donoghue, Warren and Breen did little wrong but nothing too noteworthy. However a couple of times in the early minutes Limerick made dangerous forays into the Kerry goalmouth and it was worryingly noticeable how much our full back line was caught out of position and left the door open. The midfield did their job without any serious test. While there's naturally a lot of insert in Okunbor's performance I can't honestly say I saw anything that deserves special mention for the half he played. Much the same for the rake of substitutes that started to come on from the start of the second half on. Of the lot Tony Brosnan was the shinning light and he kicked a couple of lovely scores. But Ó Beaglaíoch, Savage, O Shea, Roche and Gammel did little to grab the crowds attention. Burns came on two and harsh as this probably sounds given the context of the game - but I felt if he was looking to make Jack think, he didn't succeed too well. I'm not sure he is inter-county standard at this stage given all the chances he's had. So a 23 point win but nothing to make you dream of a homecoming in Denny St next July. As someone already mentioned above, Kerry - despite the impressive scoreline - were often too slow and ponderous. Its infuriating (but increasingly common) to see Kerry players run onto a ball and then (almost by instinct now) check their run, turn and look behind them for someone to pass to. Direct running, pace and accuracy that's surely the road to glory?! As for how the year might pan out based on tonight, well tomorrow never knows as the great musical geniuses of the 20th Century once sang. Anyway so ends my first match report for the Kerry GAA forum. Be kind! I look forward to many more reports from you! Well done for writing this up and for going to support our lads. |
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Post by ciarraimick on Jan 5, 2022 23:50:40 GMT
On Okunbar. Give him time. As a minor he was not an exceptional footballer. He was a great athlete
I don't think he s going to make it as a midfielder persais but he might make it at full back or half back as he has good hands and has pace. I sometimes think we get carried away with guys coming home from Oz. While Kennelly came home and won a Sam and an all star i believe he was lucky enough to win the all star and he was average enough. Tommy came back a lesser player than when he left but was still worth his place on panel.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Jan 5, 2022 23:50:50 GMT
Fine report Hermit. The easy approach is to go the match and keep all your observations to yourself. It takes a bit of an effort to recall detail to transmit to supporters who are not fortunate enough to be there. I would urge others to do as Hermit did tonight. Take the trouble to give a report. The more reports we get the more balance we get. We all have our biases and blind spots. In any case Hermit, from listening to Radio Kerry you seem to have provided us with all the salient points. Extremely grateful for your significant input. Praise from Caesar Aithníonn ciaróg ciaróg eile! BTW great stuff hermit, and all without a single big word - I think it is now fair to say you are a fully paid up and very welcome member of the club! Avoid an unusual and unfamiliar word just as you would a reef - Julius CaesarBTW what vintage was the Bush? P.S. Has Jason Foley got seriously stronger - sure looks like he is now a somewhat different proposition in that respect? And now maybe 'tis the paranoia breaking out in me but that error has Clubbers get everyone's contact details - still broadcast was great! |
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Post by Hicser on Jan 5, 2022 23:59:49 GMT
Well as the hot Bushmills percolates my bones and brain and slowly defrosts my iced core I might as well give my two cents on tonight's proceedings. The bitter cold meant the Kerry jersey was buried deep deep beneath many layers of wool (and Christmas pudding - seriously I never remember putting so much weight on any Christmas before). But I rambled up to the half way line on the terrace side and with the constant thought "its the eve of Little Christmas and only a Limerick B team on the field" I still dwelt on the satisfaction of being able to see a Kerry game in person. If one thing has come out of this pandemic, its appreciating the joy of going to live sporting events. I'll never take the simple pleasure of being able to go to a game for granted again. As for the match itself, well Kerry started brightly and had it won within ten minutes. Its clear some of the older guard came with the attitude that we need to sow a few seeds of doubt in the new Bainisteoir's head if he's thinking of relegating us to the sub bench or worse. That was particularly the case with the Dingle man. You felt he was fighting toot and nail to prove he was not yesterday's man just yet. I felt Paul was an impressive performer all night. Stephen showed energy too but the Clifford's were a class apart on the field tonight. You'd swear it was their first outing and they were trying desperately to impress skeptics. Paudie was the standout of the brothers and the Kerry team in all. I felt I could detect an early determination to right the fact he was seconded bested by Tyrone when it mattered most last season. But maybe that's reading too much into a performance before Christmas has even ended. Some of David's scores were, as usual, sublime but he showed some great commitment too. With the game long won he still tracked back to dispose a Limerick man on the Kerry side of the half way. And he was vocal at the water break and even in the dugout once substituted. There was also some beautiful kicking passing, long and accurate into the full forward line and Killian was responsible for a couple that landed sweetly into David's hands. They briefly warmed up a bitter night. But after all that it is hard to pick out much else for special mention. I was watching keenly all the new debutantes put honestly there was not much to report on. Limerick were so outclassed that making any judgement of the defence is hard. O Donoghue, Warren and Breen did little wrong but nothing too noteworthy. However a couple of times in the early minutes Limerick made dangerous forays into the Kerry goalmouth and it was worryingly noticeable how much our full back line was caught out of position and left the door open. The midfield did their job without any serious test. While there's naturally a lot of insert in Okunbor's performance I can't honestly say I saw anything that deserves special mention for the half he played. Much the same for the rake of substitutes that started to come on from the start of the second half on. Of the lot Tony Brosnan was the shinning light and he kicked a couple of lovely scores. But Ó Beaglaíoch, Savage, O Shea, Roche and Gammel did little to grab the crowds attention. Burns came on two and harsh as this probably sounds given the context of the game - but I felt if he was looking to make Jack think, he didn't succeed too well. I'm not sure he is inter-county standard at this stage given all the chances he's had. So a 23 point win but nothing to make you dream of a homecoming in Denny St next July. As someone already mentioned above, Kerry - despite the impressive scoreline - were often too slow and ponderous. Its infuriating (but increasingly common) to see Kerry players run onto a ball and then (almost by instinct now) check their run, turn and look behind them for someone to pass to. Direct running, pace and accuracy that's surely the road to glory?! As for how the year might pan out based on tonight, well tomorrow never knows as the great musical geniuses of the 20th Century once sang. Anyway so ends my first match report for the Kerry GAA forum. Be kind! Well done Hermit, yourself and Veteran have a journalistic skill to record your thoughts while at the same time the knowledge of the game to make the read interesting, I don’t think there was anything to be gained from tonight’s game other than it’s Jacks first run out. It’s all about the players getting to know him and his coaches methods, This Kerry team will destroy weak opposition, it’s when they come up against the good hardcore teams that will do anything to win is when we’ll know what they are at. Last year we failed but just barely, I’m not sure if this cup will give us much more other than prep for the league but still it’s good to have it for this purpose, |
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Post by onlykerry on Jan 6, 2022 0:29:35 GMT
My fingers are just about able to move enough to comment - thought I was well wrapped up for ASP but it was bitterly cold there tonight. Turned up at the gate to discover it was ticket only and had to go onto my phone to buy a ticket - several others were in the same (or worse - no phones) predicament.
As other have commented it was over very early from a competitive point of view - some good scoring but under no pressure so not much of a test. Limerick managed only six points - three in each half and Kerry scored well particularly in the first half.
What is evident is the JOC play book with possession being king - the first two minutes of the game saw the ball over and back the pitch between the half way line and the Limerick 45, This was repeated throughout the game where the shout of don't force it could be heard being shouted out loudly by players I think.
Limerick went man for man with no sweeper and it was a big ask for some of there squad. I counted only 5 Limerick subs kicking about at half time (one had been called into action in the first half) so their squad was fairly limited.
Hard to pick much of meaning from the game but we did seem open at the back on a few occasions which would have been punished by a better side so plenty to work on there. Was also concerned to see Shane Murphy let a long ball bounce on his 14 mt line and go over the bar - it was a speculative kick from out the field and there was no danger of any outfield player getting the ball but Shane just left it bounce. He was also fortunate not to be caught when he was way out the field (needlessly) when Limerick got a turnover and kicked (wide) from distance towards an unguarded net. On the plus side his kick outs were very good and he regularly picked out Kerry players with accuracy.
Great to have football back to go to and hopefully we have a long and successful season in 22.
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Post by horsebox77 on Jan 6, 2022 0:53:26 GMT
Well as the hot Bushmills percolates my bones and brain and slowly defrosts my iced core I might as well give my two cents on tonight's proceedings. The bitter cold meant the Kerry jersey was buried deep deep beneath many layers of wool (and Christmas pudding - seriously I never remember putting so much weight on any Christmas before). But I rambled up to the half way line on the terrace side and with the constant thought "its the eve of Little Christmas and only a Limerick B team on the field" I still dwelt on the satisfaction of being able to see a Kerry game in person. If one thing has come out of this pandemic, its appreciating the joy of going to live sporting events. I'll never take the simple pleasure of being able to go to a game for granted again. As for the match itself, well Kerry started brightly and had it won within ten minutes. Its clear some of the older guard came with the attitude that we need to sow a few seeds of doubt in the new Bainisteoir's head if he's thinking of relegating us to the sub bench or worse. That was particularly the case with the Dingle man. You felt he was fighting toot and nail to prove he was not yesterday's man just yet. I felt Paul was an impressive performer all night. Stephen showed energy too but the Clifford's were a class apart on the field tonight. You'd swear it was their first outing and they were trying desperately to impress skeptics. Paudie was the standout of the brothers and the Kerry team in all. I felt I could detect an early determination to right the fact he was seconded bested by Tyrone when it mattered most last season. But maybe that's reading too much into a performance before Christmas has even ended. Some of David's scores were, as usual, sublime but he showed some great commitment too. With the game long won he still tracked back to dispose a Limerick man on the Kerry side of the half way. And he was vocal at the water break and even in the dugout once substituted. There was also some beautiful kicking passing, long and accurate into the full forward line and Killian was responsible for a couple that landed sweetly into David's hands. They briefly warmed up a bitter night. But after all that it is hard to pick out much else for special mention. I was watching keenly all the new debutantes put honestly there was not much to report on. Limerick were so outclassed that making any judgement of the defence is hard. O Donoghue, Warren and Breen did little wrong but nothing too noteworthy. However a couple of times in the early minutes Limerick made dangerous forays into the Kerry goalmouth and it was worryingly noticeable how much our full back line was caught out of position and left the door open. The midfield did their job without any serious test. While there's naturally a lot of insert in Okunbor's performance I can't honestly say I saw anything that deserves special mention for the half he played. Much the same for the rake of substitutes that started to come on from the start of the second half on. Of the lot Tony Brosnan was the shinning light and he kicked a couple of lovely scores. But Ó Beaglaíoch, Savage, O Shea, Roche and Gammel did little to grab the crowds attention. Burns came on two and harsh as this probably sounds given the context of the game - but I felt if he was looking to make Jack think, he didn't succeed too well. I'm not sure he is inter-county standard at this stage given all the chances he's had. So a 23 point win but nothing to make you dream of a homecoming in Denny St next July. As someone already mentioned above, Kerry - despite the impressive scoreline - were often too slow and ponderous. Its infuriating (but increasingly common) to see Kerry players run onto a ball and then (almost by instinct now) check their run, turn and look behind them for someone to pass to. Direct running, pace and accuracy that's surely the road to glory?! As for how the year might pan out based on tonight, well tomorrow never knows as the great musical geniuses of the 20th Century once sang. Anyway so ends my first match report for the Kerry GAA forum. Be kind! Fair play Hermit, great report- I'd to contend with Timmy and Rosie and a battle to prevent me taking the sledge to the laptop as I'd the game purchased via "clubber", they like Limerick didn't exactly cover themselves in glory tonight. It appears tonight was a non-event but as Darragh once quoted, it may blow out any dirty petrol. With due respect to JOC I still can't fathom the sense in starting DC or Seanie when it may be more beneficial to give time to the likes of Brosnan or Roche. Still onwards to Thurles, I envisage any online frailties should be eradicated by then. |
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Post by gaelicden on Jan 6, 2022 0:58:29 GMT
The match is now up on clubber free to watch. Seemed to be no time skipping when looking at it for a few minutes.
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Post by heyjude on Jan 6, 2022 2:19:29 GMT
Few observations and notes from a bitterly cold night in Tralee:
1. It appeared to my eyes that only one back was allowed go forward with any freedom, Warren in first half and Tom Sullivan in second half. Does this point to a more solid rearguard plan? Gavin Crowley barely crossed the half way line all game along with Breen. Could be a one off but something to keep an eye on going forward.
2. I think Seanie will see a lot of time around the middle for Kerry this year.
3. We need more movement from our own kick outs.
4. Early days, but again signs of a zonal defensive system taking shape when Kerry lost the ball. Plenty of bodies back but perhaps guys not quite sure exactly where to be yet (to be expected). I spotted Tally watching the game from commentary box in second half.
5. Paudie Clifford is a serious baller.
6. Touched on in the hermit’s excellent report but David Clifford was extremely vocal during the first water break, appeared to be gesturing to the backs and keeper who were involved in a bit of a mess that presented a potential limerick goal. He really is the true leader of this team now.
Looking forward to Tipp already…
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Post by Mickmack on Jan 6, 2022 8:30:08 GMT
What is evident is the JOC play book with possession being king - the first two minutes of the game saw the ball over and back the pitch between the half way line and the Limerick 45, This was repeated throughout the game where the shout of don't force it could be heard being shouted out loudly by players I think. Very interesting! Being able to dissect a well organised defensive screen to pick off scores WHILE NOT LOSING POSSESSION is where its at. Kerry wont meet such challenges playing Munster counties though. |
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Post by ciarraimick on Jan 6, 2022 9:38:03 GMT
On Horseboxes point. I agree totally. The McGrath Cup should be about trying out players more so than the league. David Clifford and Seanie are def champi onship starters so give others a chance.
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Post by mike70 on Jan 6, 2022 9:51:16 GMT
On Horseboxes point. I agree totally. The McGrath Cup should be about trying out players more so than the league. David Clifford and Seanie are def champi onship starters so give others a chance. you don't show up on a Sunday and come with a new game plan, I think the management got it right, as I already said, season is over come july, time is critical, they gave guys plenty game time last night, managed the likes of DC well, I believe, there is a large number of that 24 out to sigerson next Wednesday, throw in missing stacks n na Gael boys the squad will be well tested again and established players will be playing. The point about SOS midfield is a good one, I think this will be the case thru the first league games, as if the stacks n na Gael progress to final that’s 13 feb , 2 league games played by then. All in all giving Jack time with the squad be it against poor opposition, but maybe we might get a good final assuming cork progress on the other side, that won’t be a bad game ahead of NFL. Good to be watching football again. |
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Post by onlykerry on Jan 6, 2022 10:31:43 GMT
On Horseboxes point. I agree totally. The McGrath Cup should be about trying out players more so than the league. David Clifford and Seanie are def champi onship starters so give others a chance. DC played the first half and Seanie the second - with Sigerson starting next week (Wednesday I believe so clashes with Tipp game) it may have been DC's only chance of some game time until the league. Seanie was deployed in midfield so this was a chance for management to see how he gets on in a new role. The panel will not be radically different from 2021 - there is not a plethora of new players to be tried out - and not everybody is available. Typically new players need a year on the fringes to get up to speed and it is becoming increasingly rare for new players to suddenly appear and make the grade. For 2022 I think the focus will be on getting that little bit more from the nearly lads of 2021 - maybe from 1-2 new players and better structures of play. |
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Post by Mickmack on Jan 6, 2022 11:11:58 GMT
What is evident is the JOC play book with possession being king - the first two minutes of the game saw the ball over and back the pitch between the half way line and the Limerick 45, This was repeated throughout the game where the shout of don't force it could be heard being shouted out loudly by players I think. Very interesting! Being able to dissect a well organised defensive screen to pick off scores WHILE NOT LOSING POSSESSION is where its at. Kerry wont meet such challenges playing Munster counties though. Just to expand on this point. This video is only 3 minutes long but it contains a goal and 2 points in that time. I hope that this is the way Kerry play this year going forward. No Tyrone player bombs forward and runs into a cul de sac between the sideine and the endline. Its all measured and probing and no Tyrone player loses possession. If Kerry adopt this approach, some of the players that started v Tyrone last year may not have the close control balls skills to do this so they may move down the pecking order as the year plays out. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2022 12:14:02 GMT
Few observations and notes from a bitterly cold night in Tralee: 1. It appeared to my eyes that only one back was allowed go forward with any freedom, Warren in first half and Tom Sullivan in second half. Does this point to a more solid rearguard plan? Gavin Crowley barely crossed the half way line all game along with Breen. Could be a one off but something to keep an eye on going forward. 2. I think Seanie will see a lot of time around the middle for Kerry this year. 3. We need more movement from our own kick outs. 4. Early days, but again signs of a zonal defensive system taking shape when Kerry lost the ball. Plenty of bodies back but perhaps guys not quite sure exactly where to be yet (to be expected). I spotted Tally watching the game from commentary box in second half. 5. Paudie Clifford is a serious baller. 6. Touched on in the hermit’s excellent report but David Clifford was extremely vocal during the first water break, appeared to be gesturing to the backs and keeper who were involved in a bit of a mess that presented a potential limerick goal. He really is the true leader of this team now. Looking forward to Tipp already… how did Murphy get on in goals? Were his kickouts any good? |
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mike70
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Post by mike70 on Jan 6, 2022 12:47:41 GMT
Very interesting! Being able to dissect a well organised defensive screen to pick off scores WHILE NOT LOSING POSSESSION is where its at. Kerry wont meet such challenges playing Munster counties though. Just to expand on this point. This video is only 3 minutes long but it contains a goal and 2 points in that time. I hope that this is the way Kerry play this year going forward. No Tyrone player bombs forward and runs into a cul de sac between the sideine and the endline. Its all measured and probing and no Tyrone player loses possession. If Kerry adopt this approach, some of the players that started v Tyrone last year may not have the close control balls skills to do this so they may move down the pecking order as the year plays out. just to add to your well made point, the most successful team of the last ten years Dublin, did not bomb forward either, patience in possession is key, exploiting the gaps when they appear. |
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Post by brigid on Jan 6, 2022 13:12:21 GMT
Brilliant report Hermit. Of course you can expect that some people will differ with some of your comments on players and that the way the game is played. But I am looking forward to reading your reports as we head for the summer.
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Post by homerj on Jan 6, 2022 13:17:19 GMT
just on the complaints about lack of new lads being tried, several of them are involved with their clubs so couldnt be picked 3 lads at stacks, and 2 more in the others. 5 new lads is a serious input added to the others who did get their chance last night. more will be seen v tipp.
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Post by ciarraimick on Jan 6, 2022 13:49:37 GMT
On the Tyrone Kerry footage true Tyrone played with intelligence while Kerry ran into the tackle. Tyrone did bomb forward at times and Dublin used to many times ala Jack Mac and Michael Dara. Our problem was running into the tackle. Tyrone and Dublin played the possession game to perfection and using width as both sidelines. We seemed to go backwards which negates the flow. Under Pat Ó Shea in 07 and 08 we played the possession game properly especially v Dubs in semi final. Bombing forward is a great move when done at the right time. Gavin White is good at it but the forwards should stretch towards the wings when he bombs forward instead of clogging up the are he running towards.
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