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Post by gaelicden on Jan 21, 2022 20:00:31 GMT
3,000 extra tickets. Decisions to be made... Should I go or not.
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Post by brucewayne on Jan 21, 2022 20:07:50 GMT
1 (GK) Shane Murphy Seán Ó Murchú Dr Crokes 2 Dan O Donoghue Donal Ó Donnchú Spa, Killarney 3 Jason Foley Jason O Foghlu Ballydonoghue 4 Tom O’Sullivan Tomas O Súilleabháin Dingle 5 Paul Murphy Pól Ó Murchú Rathmore 6 Tadhg Morley Tadhg Ó Muraile Templenoe 7 Gavin White Gabhin de Faoite Dr Crokes 8 Sean O Shea Sean O Sé Kenmare Shamrocks 9 Adrian Spillane Adrian Ó Spealáin Templenoe 10 Micheál Burns Micheal O Braoin Dr Crokes 11 Paudie Clifford Pádraig Ó Clumháin Fossa 12 Stephen O’Brien Stiofán Ó Briain Kenmare Shamrocks 13 Tony Brosnan Antóin Ó Brosnacháin Dr Crokes 14 Paul Geaney Pól Ó Geibheannaigh Dingle 15 Killian Spillane Cillian Ó Spealán Templenoe 16 (GK) Shane Ryan Seán Ó Riain Rathmore 17 David Clifford Dáithí Ó Clumháin Fossa 18 Gavin Crowley Gaibhin Ó Crualaíoch Templenoe 19 Brian Ó Beaglaoich Brian Ó Beaglaoich An Ghaeltacht 20 Graham O’Sullivan Graeme Ó Súilleabháin Piarsaigh na Dromoda 21 Dara Roche Dara Ó Róiste Glenflesk 22 Jack Savage Jeaic Savage Kerins O Rahillys 23 Greg Horan Greg Ó hÓrain Austin Stacks 24 Paul O’Shea Pól Ó Sé Kilcummin 25 Jack O’Shea Jeaic Ó Sé Austin Stacks 26 Cian Gammell Cian Ó Gammell Killarney Legion 27 Éanna Ó Conchúir Éanna Ó Conchúir An Ghaeltacht 28 Adam Donoghue Adam Ó Donnchú Castleisland Desmonds 29 Dylan Casey Dylan Ó Cathasaigh Austin Stacks Captains Name: Seán O’Shea
Officials Role | Backroom Team Names (First & Surname) Bainisteoir Jack O’Connor Roghnóir Diarmuid Murphy Roghnóir Micheál Quirke
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Post by horsebox77 on Jan 21, 2022 20:14:08 GMT
My reading is ya, it’s open seaso six one news just confirmed… open the gates, it’s open Season. I see a certain kerry gaa pundit saying on Twitter to expect changes for tomorrow’s team, change in midfield and full forward. I’ve never been a fan of “knowledge is power” malarkey but either say it and nail the colours to the mast if you have confidence in yourself and sources or just leave it to those in the know… or maybe I’m just being cranky in my old age…. He’s often at that. I remember before a Munster final in I think it was 2019 and he said there’d be a real surprise inclusion in the forwards. Ended up being Dara Moynihan which was half expected anyway. A whole new full forward line would be a big surprise. Whatever about Clifford and even Geaney, surely Killian Spillane will play. Might see a combination from Okunbor, Joe O’Connor if fit and Paul O’Shea at midfield. It’ll be interesting if there are changes. Ah well he is consistent, , I’ll give him that, a mine of information, Christ on a bike….
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Post by Sam kerry on Jan 21, 2022 20:35:28 GMT
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Post by givehimaball on Jan 21, 2022 20:37:31 GMT
I think the following are the rest of the squad members outside of the 29 listed.
Andrew Barry Dara Moynihan David Moran Diarmuid O’Connor Jack Barry Joe O'Connor Mike Breen Pa Warren Stefan Okunbor
It will be intersting to see how many of the subs are used given it's unlimited subs as it's a McGrath Cup game.
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Post by mike70 on Jan 21, 2022 20:50:51 GMT
Come the league I see of the starting 15 tomo, the following starters
4 defenders 1 maybe 2 MF 4 forwards
Some of the above due to na Gaeil in all ireland series
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jan 21, 2022 21:03:36 GMT
Forward options on the bench? F*ckin finally
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jan 21, 2022 21:31:57 GMT
Kudos for not flogging David Clifford. Very happy to see that.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jan 21, 2022 21:53:17 GMT
Water Breaks to go apparently for the league. It's a great day all round.
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Post by taggert on Jan 21, 2022 21:53:28 GMT
A championship team poses a nice headache this year and very few players guareteed a starting berth. The Goalie position up for grabs with Shane Ryan the front runner. Maybe only Tom Sullivan and Gavin White guareteed starters at the back. Midfield up for grabs and probably David Paudie and Seanie guarateed starters in forward line. Would agree with this - think Moran will start midfield cime championship, probably his last year, with a runner alongside. Will be eased back in.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Jan 21, 2022 22:16:38 GMT
A championship team poses a nice headache this year and very few players guareteed a starting berth. The Goalie position up for grabs with Shane Ryan the front runner. Maybe only Tom Sullivan and Gavin White guareteed starters at the back. Midfield up for grabs and probably David Paudie and Seanie guarateed starters in forward line. Mike Breen, David Moran and Diarmuid O’Connor would also be certain starters in my eyes. That would make 8 players guaranteed starters with 7 spots really up for grabs. Of course no player is guaranteed to start, but I’d be very surprised if those 8 aren’t starters.
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Post by thehermit on Jan 21, 2022 22:18:01 GMT
Water Breaks to go apparently for the league. It's a great day all round. Hallelujah!!!
What next? Purchasing a winning Lotto ticket before the game? Bumping into a newly single Holly Valance on the dance floor tomorrow night???
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Post by sullyschoice on Jan 21, 2022 22:27:35 GMT
Water Breaks to go apparently for the league. It's a great day all round. Hallelujah!!! What next? Purchasing a winning Lotto ticket before the game? Bumping into a newly single Holly Valance on the dance floor tomorrow night??? I heard Holly Valance was no big fan of the water break either. I really hope that is true
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Post by horsebox77 on Jan 21, 2022 23:16:02 GMT
Do you all consider Moran a guaranteed starter.. Jez this won't be popular, I'd have him no where near the starting XV .. I'd be so bold to suggest I'd struggle to find a panel place for him.
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Post by thehermit on Jan 21, 2022 23:20:38 GMT
Ah Horse stop talking nonsense, yeah he has a bit of a history of doing bird-brained stuff that has cost us - 2019 final, 2020 Munster final but he is also a great player and consistently one of the top 2-3-4 midfielders in Ireland the last decade.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Jan 21, 2022 23:25:07 GMT
The key I think is to take him off in the second half so he isn’t in the position to give the ball away in the last 10 minutes. He is a starter for me because he’s our best target for a long kickout by far and I thought he was excellent last year even in the Tyrone game when maybe others weren’t at their usual level. Remember we actually destroyed Tyrone at midfield on their own kickouts.
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Post by horsebox77 on Jan 21, 2022 23:42:10 GMT
Ah Horse stop talking nonsense, yeah he has a bit of a history of doing bird-brained stuff that has cost us - 2019 final, 2020 Munster final but he is also a great player and consistently one of the top 2-3-4 midfielders in Ireland the last decade. Ah hermit, you and K'boy only know too well my stance on it, even at club level its a young man's game, even more so in the engine room at intercounty level Don't get me wrong, I've the height of respect for the man but in all honesty I'm struggling to find a starting berth for any of the remaining 2014 lads ... yes I'm being cold but I'd be culling and starting afresh. Sentiment has no place within the confines of the white lies.
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Post by The16thMan on Jan 21, 2022 23:53:24 GMT
Seems to be great interest in this game, 5,000 would have been seen as a very big crowd pre-pandemic never mind the potential 8,000. I personally think the days of playing 'B' teams in these competitions are gone for the teams with serious ambitions. The season is now just over 6 months long so these competitions will be now used to build chemistry for the players that will play a part later in the year. Of course exceptions will be made with injury prone fellas like Moran. Jack doesn't seem to excuse fellas from the panel too easy, even if they do have Sigerson on. The only guys on the panel that have AI medals are now Geaney, SOB, Moran, Paul Murphy (Maybe missing a few but can't think of anyone else). The guys listed aren't even any of the guaranteed starters anymore. This young Kerry team will have grown up watching the 00's when Kerry won 5 AI's and will be aspiring to do the same. The fact that 95% of the panel have no medal means they have that hunger to get their 1st. Whether it's McGrath Cup or a kick around in training, they will be trying to show the management that they are the guys to bring Sam back to the Kingdom. The hurt that a lot experienced in 2019 v Dublin, 2020 v Cork and 2021 v Tyrone, where they left games after them, should drive them on even more so. Kerry are no longer a 'coming team', they are a team for now and the rest of this decade hopefully. I think it's great that Jack is fielding strong teams in these competitions, get these guys into the winning habit like Jim Gavin did with Dublin. Dublin during Jim's reign never really took their foot off a team's throat when they got there, occasionally vs Mayo and Kerry but they never let it get the better of them in the end. A characteristic Kerry have yet to develop, but they are getting there. I think Kerry will win by double figures tomorrow and hopefully some of the more unfamiliar faces can become more familiar to us tomorrow with some stand out performances along the way.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2022 0:17:58 GMT
Do you all consider Moran a guaranteed starter.. Jez this won't be popular, I'd have him no where near the starting XV .. I'd be so bold to suggest I'd struggle to find a panel place for him. I remember Aidan O'Shea bullying our midfield in the 2019 league final and then I remember Moran stamped out O'Shea in the super 8s game in killarney, I think Moran still has a place in the Kerry team horse, he's a giant and I'd have him coming in for the last 20/25 mins if he'd be up for it.
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Post by Corner Back on Jan 22, 2022 8:42:37 GMT
He’s often at that. I remember before a Munster final in I think it was 2019 and he said there’d be a real surprise inclusion in the forwards. Ended up being Dara Moynihan which was half expected anyway. A whole new full forward line would be a big surprise. Whatever about Clifford and even Geaney, surely Killian Spillane will play. Might see a combination from Okunbor, Joe O’Connor if fit and Paul O’Shea at midfield. It’ll be interesting if there are changes. Ah well he is consistent, , I’ll give him that, a mine of information, Christ on a bike…. Same guy is more of an attention seeker than a journalist
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Post by horsebox77 on Jan 22, 2022 9:17:05 GMT
Do you all consider Moran a guaranteed starter.. Jez this won't be popular, I'd have him no where near the starting XV .. I'd be so bold to suggest I'd struggle to find a panel place for him. I remember Aidan O'Shea bullying our midfield in the 2019 league final and then I remember Moran stamped out O'Shea in the super 8s game in killarney, I think Moran still has a place in the Kerry team horse, he's a giant and I'd have him coming in for the last 20/25 mins if he'd be up for it. Yes, but that is so also three years ago at this stage.
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Post by horsebox77 on Jan 22, 2022 9:17:59 GMT
Ah well he is consistent, , I’ll give him that, a mine of information, Christ on a bike…. Same guy is more of an attention seeker than a journalist You nailed it in one... yes very much inclined to agree.
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Post by thehermit on Jan 22, 2022 10:01:14 GMT
I remember Aidan O'Shea bullying our midfield in the 2019 league final and then I remember Moran stamped out O'Shea in the super 8s game in killarney, I think Moran still has a place in the Kerry team horse, he's a giant and I'd have him coming in for the last 20/25 mins if he'd be up for it. Yes, but that is so also three years ago at this stage. But your forgetting the evidence of your own eyes from only last summer too Horse.
Look, I don't think he's a 70min man anymore, but is he an option for the first 50 or the last 20 - depending on the opponents and situation absolutely.
Esp consider Barry's progress has kind of stalled in the last 2-3 years.
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Post by taggert on Jan 22, 2022 10:51:02 GMT
Horse, I do think you are raising a very good point tho on the 2014 winners and their ability to contribute in 2022.
For me, Moran for 45 minutes offers fielding, power, experience and I felt he really tailored his game last year to let the ball go early to willing runners and felt we fell apart when he left the field against Tyrone. Ironing out the brainfarts of '19 and '20 was welcome.
I'm on record over the last 2 years saying PG should categorically not be starting for Kerr. His legs are gone and the days of players being allowed stay/rest in the corner or at 14 are long long gone. In the league game v Dublin he practically needed Oxygen when he was hauled ashore and is utterly ineffectual now against the big guns running game. Exerience for last 10 mins fine but defo not a starter. Fine racking uo scires against lowly opposition but no way in last 4. People still talk about the 2019 replay v Dublin where he played well but its a long time ago now.
Stephen O'Brien a head down, blind alley merchant that shouldnt start either for me against the better teams. Game all about pace but neutered agsinst teams like Tyrone who dont offer up acres of space. Rarely if ever kicks points from distance. Could offer pace and experience for last 10 when game opens up.
Paul Murphy is an intelligent player but his size is a huge challenge against the big guns and is manifest in being turned over far too easily, incl. twice in first half v Cork last year when it was a game. Cant stop runners owing to size and suffered somewhat from being played in a few different roles - wing forward, no. 6, sweeper etc. Think his best days are behind him and not a starter for me either.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Jan 22, 2022 11:02:32 GMT
Of the 2014 crew, Moran and Geaney would be starters for me but not O’Brien or Murphy. The point is often made about Geaney not being able to track runners etc. I think as an inside forward he is more than able to fulfil this part of the game. We have 4 main inside forwards, is Geaney less able to track runners than Tony Brosnan? I think it’ll be a very close call to pick 2 from Geaney, Brosnan and Spillane but I think Geaney might have an edge based on the other 2 being more similar to each other. O’Brien unfortunately seems to have lost a bit of pace that his game was based around. An impact role might suit him. Paul Murphy I feel is up against too due to his size. Most wing forwards will have a physical advantage over him and with the other options we have that mightn’t be worth the risk. Also physicality in the half back line is key and unfortunately he falls down in that department. To be fair to him though he does bring other attributes to the table.
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Post by horsebox77 on Jan 22, 2022 11:10:36 GMT
Of the 2014 lads, I have most time for Geane6 and he would be the closest in my eyes to starting.
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Post by brigid on Jan 22, 2022 11:19:41 GMT
Why the comments about Paul Murphy's size. Paul is slightly taller (1.78m) than Eoin Murchan (1.7M) of Dublin. I know that Paul looked poor on the high balls V Cork but where the such accurate passes come from. Murchan has never been found isolated in the same way. That is because Dublin players always put pressure on the opponent who has the ball so they seldom get in a long accurate pass. Kerry players must prevent their opponents in a similar way. No pint in having speedy Kerry players unless they can achieve this.
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Post by taggert on Jan 22, 2022 11:26:25 GMT
Dublin have experience in having one very fast and small wing back for years - first JackMc and now Murchin. Our fast wing back typically runs into trouble - often the Dublin equivalents run selflessly without the ball to create space and openings. Paul does not have that pace - going forward or getting back.
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Post by taggert on Jan 22, 2022 11:33:02 GMT
Of the 2014 crew, Moran and Geaney would be starters for me but not O’Brien or Murphy. The point is often made about Geaney not being able to track runners etc. I think as an inside forward he is more than able to fulfil this part of the game. We have 4 main inside forwards, is Geaney less able to track runners than Tony Brosnan? I think it’ll be a very close call to pick 2 from Geaney, Brosnan and Spillane but I think Geaney might have an edge based on the other 2 being more similar to each other. O’Brien unfortunately seems to have lost a bit of pace that his game was based around. An impact role might suit him. Paul Murphy I feel is up against too due to his size. Most wing forwards will have a physical advantage over him and with the other options we have that mightn’t be worth the risk. Also physicality in the half back line is key and unfortunately he falls down in that department. To be fair to him though he does bring other attributes to the table. Must say I have to disagree on PG. So are we saying that he should be in because the other 2 wont track back either or would only do so as half hearted as he does? See Tyrone game. That is a nonsense for me. As an aside, I think we should have Clifford and 1 from Spillane, Brosnan and PG inside. PG would be a last 10 mins option for me. With Seanie and Paudie we need other types of players. Dont think we can accommodate 3 shooters inside the full fwd line.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Jan 22, 2022 12:00:41 GMT
Of the 2014 crew, Moran and Geaney would be starters for me but not O’Brien or Murphy. The point is often made about Geaney not being able to track runners etc. I think as an inside forward he is more than able to fulfil this part of the game. We have 4 main inside forwards, is Geaney less able to track runners than Tony Brosnan? I think it’ll be a very close call to pick 2 from Geaney, Brosnan and Spillane but I think Geaney might have an edge based on the other 2 being more similar to each other. O’Brien unfortunately seems to have lost a bit of pace that his game was based around. An impact role might suit him. Paul Murphy I feel is up against too due to his size. Most wing forwards will have a physical advantage over him and with the other options we have that mightn’t be worth the risk. Also physicality in the half back line is key and unfortunately he falls down in that department. To be fair to him though he does bring other attributes to the table. Must say I have to disagree on PG. So are we saying that he should be in because the other 2 wont track back either or would only do so as half hearted as he does? See Tyrone game. That is a nonsense for me. As an aside, I think we should have Clifford and 1 from Spillane, Brosnan and PG inside. PG would be a last 10 mins option for me. With Seanie and Paudie we need other types of players. Dont think we can accommodate 3 shooters inside the full fwd line. My point is more that tracking ability isn’t the main deciding factor when we’re selecting the full forward line. To be fair to Geaney, under PK, he was usually tasked with coming back into the defence and I thought he did that well. Speaking of Tyrone is McCurry any better of a tracker than our lads? I don’t think so. I think Geaney and Brosnan and our other inside forwards are completely capable of staying with their man. Maybe it’s more an attitude thing if we’re worried about it, make it clear that it’s unacceptable for the corner forward’s marker to score. The whole Tyrone full back line scoring against us certainly was a negative. Only having 2 inside might have merit. It might allow us to keep the 2 inside forwards as well as Seanie and Paudie up if we have 2 working wing forwards. Then again if we’ve 3 lethal inside forwards it really worries the opposition. Paudie has a phenomenal engine so maybe an up and down the pitch, picking up ball everywhere role might suit him too. It’ll be interesting to see how it develops throughout the year.
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