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Post by diego on Oct 31, 2021 23:18:27 GMT
Your report on the Austin Stacks vs Kenmare game also lauded the Stacks defence. In both reports, I got the impression that it was good old fashioned tight marking. It would be great to see it coming back. Is this correct or do they pack the defence? The positioning of KD late in the game when EK were down to 14 would not in itself mean they were putting men behind the ball. It appears that there are a few players that must be “brought in” by Jack. Had a good view of them in the first half the last night and Dylan Casey was touch tight to D Clifford while Stacks had a sweeper standing about 10 yards ahead of the pair of them meaning EK playmakers like Paudie Clifford had no pocket to feed the ball in to DC. Conor Jordan was usually the one in the sweeper role. One strange point of the evening was that there seemed to be different rules for different teams when it came to dressing room access at half time. St Kierans and East Kerry were left out in the cold - and in EK's case the monsoon - while their opponents had left the arena. Didn't look like prep for the 2nd half would be easy in those conditions for East Kerry, and the 3rd quarter did prove to be a non-event for them. Best team definitely won in the end, but this did look a bit unfair so would be curious to know the story behind it.
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Post by john4 on Oct 31, 2021 23:53:55 GMT
The Stacks players have been discussed but did anyone else give Jack something to think about with their performances? Particularly from the losing sides as obviously none of those players will be seen again this championship. I liked the cut of Adam O'Donoghue, St. Kierans. Big man, mobile, plenty football. He battled hard and led the fight to KOR all the ways to the end.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Nov 1, 2021 5:57:39 GMT
Brendans Dingle Crokes Stacks Dingle to beat KOR? A bit surprised at that. Were KOR not impressive over the weekend Recent results against Dingle are poor, the men from the west always come out on top.
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Post by Mickmack on Nov 1, 2021 8:40:07 GMT
Half time score Kenmare 0.07 Brendans 1.01 Kenmare totally dominant in the first 10 minutes and were 3 points up. Brendans then got a goal when a hand got to a shot for a point and deflected it past the keeper. The rest of the half was even enough. Diarmaid oConnors well taken penalty was expertly saved by Fitzgibbon. Kenmare finished stronger in the half but it looks like Brendans will have the breeze in the second half. Game played in the wind and rain. Kenmare look to have more quality in the forward line but its a day for big hearts and it can go either way. It was Duggan who took the penalty I believe. Diarmuid was fouled for it. You are correct...sorry about that.
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Post by thehermit on Nov 1, 2021 13:06:41 GMT
it was a poor enough game played in poor conditions horse, not a whole pile to report really, we won it without playing well, I expected a lot more from mid Kerry, saying that Sean O'Brien stood out, I thought Jack O'Connor was good as was Pa Kilkenny. For us Gavin Curran in goals , the 2 Tom Sullivans Mikey Geaney and Durrant were very good Paul Geaney is a mystery, he shows flashes of genius followed by taking on a crazy shot or pass, Billy O'Connor was a calming influence when he came on. Did you go to the Shannon rangers or St Brendans games horse? No i didn’t, came off the night shift and was on the way back to Churchill, for the U15 county semi final against Mid Kerry, these games along with the minors are way way more enjoyable. Was just near Hermits homeland when the call came through that the game was off, so went home had the breakie and got some kip. Listened to snippets on Radio Keery, but truth be told you could have guessed the north divisional team results. Actually Hermit, now with Kieran’s, Feale and Shannon Rangers out there is no reason to delay the North Kerry Championship, I see no reason why this couldn’t proceed from Sunday week. Yes why not! It really was a terrible weekend for NK. We expected both to be beaten but when you look at the meagre scorelines they put up it is really startling how off the pace they seemed. Conditions obviously played their part but on this form what odds on a united NK senior divisional side replacing the two Rangers next year???
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Post by Ballyfireside on Nov 1, 2021 13:45:45 GMT
No i didn’t, came off the night shift and was on the way back to Churchill, for the U15 county semi final against Mid Kerry, these games along with the minors are way way more enjoyable. Was just near Hermits homeland when the call came through that the game was off, so went home had the breakie and got some kip. Listened to snippets on Radio Keery, but truth be told you could have guessed the north divisional team results. Actually Hermit, now with Kieran’s, Feale and Shannon Rangers out there is no reason to delay the North Kerry Championship, I see no reason why this couldn’t proceed from Sunday week. Yes why not! It really was a terrible weekend for NK. We expected both to be beaten but when you look at the meagre scorelines they put up it is really startling how off the pace they seemed. Conditions obviously played their part but on this form what odds on a united NK senior divisional side replacing the two Rangers next year??? You would need to do the sums on it; how do they compare with opponents, maybe if we merged and became unbeatable we might be harder to split than the Dubs - so careful what we wish for. BTW what happened Jason to be substituted?
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Nov 1, 2021 13:59:47 GMT
Even if they joined up I’d still see North Kerry as one of the weakest teams in the championship. It would be some improvement though as currently they’re both just so far off the standard.
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Post by The16thMan on Nov 1, 2021 17:50:00 GMT
How did James Ó Donoghue play. He did nt retire last year. He said he was taking a break. Maybe he l be back in Jack's plans. Adam Ó Donoghue was a good minor as was Cormac Coffey (KOR). Dylan Casey def deserves a chance and I hear Jack ó Shea (Stacks playing great ball) but maybe we have too many small players. I listened to that game on radio. I don't know much about David Clifford's red card but I've noticed before when things not going his way he gets narky. Hopefully he l cop on a bit or otherwise it will cost him and Kerry. Joe Ó Connor seems to be a real find. Let's hope he can do it at county level. JOD was terrible, he shot many wides and at 1 stage a shot with his right leg just inside the 45 from the left hand side went out over the sideline on the opposite side level with the 45. Best in the game I thought were for Legion Kieran Slattery, Jamie O Sullivan, Conor Keane and Padraig Lucey when introduced. For Spa, Shane Cronin, Ryan O Carroll & Evan Cronin impressed. It was a very defensive game so not a lot of brilliant individual performances to go off. Ref did not help though, Seamus Mulvihill was very whistle happy and must have forgotten that there is an advantage rule in gaelic football.
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Post by greengold35 on Nov 1, 2021 18:31:12 GMT
How did James Ó Donoghue play. He did nt retire last year. He said he was taking a break. Maybe he l be back in Jack's plans. Adam Ó Donoghue was a good minor as was Cormac Coffey (KOR). Dylan Casey def deserves a chance and I hear Jack ó Shea (Stacks playing great ball) but maybe we have too many small players. I listened to that game on radio. I don't know much about David Clifford's red card but I've noticed before when things not going his way he gets narky. Hopefully he l cop on a bit or otherwise it will cost him and Kerry. Joe Ó Connor seems to be a real find. Let's hope he can do it at county level. JOD was terrible, he shot many wides and at 1 stage a shot with his right leg just inside the 45 from the left hand side went out over the sideline on the opposite side level with the 45. Best in the game I thought were for Legion Kieran Slattery, Jamie O Sullivan, Conor Keane and Padraig Lucey when introduced. For Spa, Shane Cronin, Ryan O Carroll & Evan Cronin impressed. It was a very defensive game so not a lot of brilliant individual performances to go off. Ref did not help though, Seamus Mulvihill was very whistle happy and must have forgotten that there is an advantage rule in gaelic football. The problem with this particular ref is that he thinks the patrons who attend are coming to see him, not the competing teams!!
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Post by firiesfists1 on Nov 1, 2021 18:59:58 GMT
JamesO kept trying all through but is a long way back from the lethal forward of 6-7 years ago. Kieran Slattery did an excellent job on Darragh Moynihan and had a much bigger influence on the game than Darragh. The big Lucey lad changed the game in Legions favour just when it seemed Spa were gaining the upper hand. Dan O Donoghue was really impressive for Spa and continued to drive the team forward.
Overall the standard in a dry evening was below what one would expect but it certainly was exciting. The aforementioned Ref while getting many calls right also gave frees that were questionable and then missed frees that were obvious.
The rule where the 5 chosen penalty takers have to go again in Sudden death is a strange one and for me I would much prefer a point kicking contest to decide the result. However it did create high drama at the end.
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Post by veteran on Nov 1, 2021 19:40:47 GMT
Kerryexile, you asked about Austin Stacks methodology in defence. As you suggest it was a combination of glue like marking and numbers back, As regards the numbers back , they appear to be very organized with guys having a particular job. On the other hand , they were so superbly conditioned that when an East Kerry attack was thwarted they transitioned in the blink of an eyelid. But for me it was their “inside the jersey” marking that was most appealing.
As regards prospects for Kerry? Dylan Casey and Joseph O’Connor are an obvious duo. I have also been hugely impressed by Eanna O’Conchoir(spelling?), Luka Brosnan and Adam Donoghue . The latter is a fine cut of a lad, long striding and eats up the ground . Jack O’Shea was terrific on Saturday night but is not the biggest back you will see. Do we need another back of his size ? Perhaps he is so good that can overcome that handicap. I would like to see more of him. Maybe lads on the forum who have seen him play often would like to comment. I did not see Spa’s game over the weekend but I have always been impressed by Dan O’Donoghue at half back. I have seen Liam Carey play twice recently for Beaufort and he is a beautiful footballer but perhaps a bit injury prone. A lot of football to be played yet.
I forgot to mention in my match report that there was a massive crowd present on Saturday night.
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Post by horsebox77 on Nov 1, 2021 19:55:34 GMT
May I ask if anyone knows why Spa's Liam Kearney did not line out at centre field for the Killarney side.
Similar name, Liam Carey for Beaufort/Mid Kerry, how did he play against Dingle?
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Nov 1, 2021 20:07:31 GMT
May I ask if anyone knows why Spa's Liam Kearney did not line out at centre field for the Killarney side. Similar name, Liam Carey for Beaufort/Mid Kerry, how did he play against Dingle? Liam Kearney if I heard correctly has picked up an injury and will be out for a few months. Liam Carey didn’t play against Dingle due to injury.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Nov 1, 2021 20:21:27 GMT
Kerryexile, you asked about Austin Stacks methodology in defence. As you suggest it was a combination of glue like marking and numbers back, As regards the numbers back , they appear to be very organized with guys having a particular job. On the other hand , they were so superbly conditioned that when an East Kerry attack was thwarted they transitioned in the blink of an eyelid. But for me it was their “inside the jersey” marking that was most appealing. As regards prospects for Kerry? Dylan Casey and Joseph O’Connor are an obvious duo. I have also been hugely impressed by Eanna O’Conchoir(spelling?), Luka Brosnan and Adam Donoghue . The latter is a fine cut of a lad, long striding and eats up the ground . Jack O’Shea was terrific on Saturday night but is not the biggest back you will see. Do we need another back of his size ? Perhaps he is so good that can overcome that handicap. I would like to see more of him. Maybe lads on the forum who have seen him play often would like to comment. I did not see Spa’s game over the weekend but I have always been impressed by Dan O’Donoghue at half back. I have seen Liam Carey play twice recently for Beaufort and he is a beautiful footballer but perhaps a bit injury prone. A lot of football to be played yet. I forgot to mention in my match report that there was a massive crowd present on Saturday night. When it comes to prospects for Kerry I agree Dylan Casey and Joe O’Connor are really putting their hands up. I’ve always liked Eanna O’Conchuir too. It didn’t work out for him when he was looked at in 2018 but I think he deserves another chance. Dan O’Donoghue has been outstanding for East Kerry in the last 2 championships. I thought he should definitely have been on the panel last year and the year before too. Jack will surely have more interest in him than Peter did. I’m a fan of Evan Cronin from Spa, he might be worth a place on the panel. I’ve always rated Daniel O’Brien highly and apparently he was one of East Kerry’s better performers? I think Jack should have him on the panel. Of the 2 North Kerry sides, could anyone at it say if Barry Mahony or Michael Foley impressed? Gavin Curran the Dingle goalkeeper is a good goalkeeper.
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Post by mossie on Nov 1, 2021 20:39:58 GMT
third year in a row Legion and St Brendans clash if I am not mistaken??
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Post by veteran on Nov 1, 2021 21:06:31 GMT
Gavin O’Brien was not on the Kerins O’Rahillys panel on Saturday night . Why I wonder?
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Post by mossie on Nov 1, 2021 21:49:28 GMT
Gavin O’Brien was not on the Kerins O’Rahillys panel on Saturday night . Why I wonder? injured Veteran
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Post by Mickmack on Nov 1, 2021 21:58:34 GMT
Ó Cinnéide: It will be very interesting over the next five, ten years to see what happens in Milltown, Ballymac, Churchill, Listry, Firies. They are the growth areas in Kerry.
John O'Dowd
October 28 2021 06:00 AM
WHEN Dara Ó Cinnéide speaks it is always worth listening. One of the deep thinkers on gaelic football in his beloved Kingdom, the former Kerry great is fascinated by the changing demographics within the county, and he has pinpointed several growth areas that must be watched with interest in the next ten to fifteen years.
At the moment, there is only the remotest possibility that another rural club will emulate An Ghaeltacht’s county championship victories of 2001 and 2003, and as East Kerry and other divisional outfits become more powerful, will the big town clubs even start to suffer?
Witnessing the four semi-finalists in the minor championship over the weekend – East Kerry against North Kerry, and Mid Kerry versus St Kierans – would add to those concerns.
“What will be very interesting over the next five, ten, fifteen years in Kerry is what’s going to happen in Milltown, Ballymac, Churchill, Listry, Firies? They are the growth areas in Kerry. That’s where people are building houses and taking out mortgages, that’s where the demographic is exploding by 192 per cent and 300 per cent in certain cases,” he said.
“Killarney and Tralee, you’ll not get any rural person to feel any sympathy for them. They have unrestricted access to players. We are bound by parish rule here. If you’re born in Killarney, you can play for three or maybe four clubs. If you’re born in Tralee, you can play for any one of four clubs. As recently as a couple of years ago, we lost a number of players to Dingle because they were living just inside the Dingle border. Likewise, they probably feel the same way about us.
“Na Gaeil this year, I’m sure, would take your right arm to win an intermediate. There is a sense of our story in them, even though they’re an urban club. They’re moving nicely up the ranks, novice, junior, intermediate, will they get to senior? They definitely have the population and the demographic, they have the organisation behind them, they now have two county players, and they have a strong Gaelcholaiste, Scoil Mhic Easmainn school base around them as well.
“They are an interesting club to study. But the fascinating clubs over the next ten years are going to be the Milltowns, the Listrys, the Churchills, the Firies, the Ballymacs, their figures at primary schools are significant. So the challenge for Kerry GAA is to look at that and say: How do we get them facilities? Can we get all these primary school boys playing football for their senior clubs and, if so, how is that going to impact on our facilities? Do we need to provide more for them?”
The 2004 All-Ireland-winning captain was almost spellbound by a presentation made to clubs recently by Joe Crowley of the Kerry County Committee, who had made a detailed examination of boys’ school attendances over the last 15 years and the amount of footballers that progressed from primary level all the way up through the ranks. Ó Cinnéide takes up the story.
“Joe has compiled a load of facts and figures about school attendances, of all boys, what happened between the years 2005 and 2020. How many boys attended every national school in Kerry? The follow-on from that was what clubs do those boys from the national schools represent? In some cases, you could play for two or three clubs. And then what’s happening in 2020, and how many of those players are active club members, club players, in their club teams?
“There were shocking findings there, surprising in a good way and surprising in a bad way. One of the big stats that jumped out was that the primary school kids of Listowel town, who would primarily play for Emmets in the long-term, of 2005, by 2020, seven per cent of them were actively playing for Listowel Emmets.
“We talk about South Kerry and all the problems that they have, in terms of demographics, and rural decay, their figures are stark in terms of the amount of players that they have coming out of the primary schools and secondary schools, but they’re the best in the county in terms of player retention, because they all hang in there, and they still manage to field teams at senior level, because of necessity more than anything else.
“At the moment, (An Ghaeltacht) are fielding teams at under-7, under-9, under-11, under-13, under-15, under-17, under-20, junior and senior, and there aren’t many rural clubs that can say that without amalgamating. We’re just about holding on to the edge of the cliff, in terms of our figures, in terms of our participation, where we are at.”
Holding on to the edge of the cliff. How many clubs have already fallen off? How many more will do so in the next few years? Plenty of food for thought for everybody who loves Kerry football on the long, winter nights ahead.
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Post by kerryexile on Nov 1, 2021 22:18:22 GMT
Diego and Veteran. Thanks for clarifications.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2021 22:31:43 GMT
How did James Ó Donoghue play. He did nt retire last year. He said he was taking a break. Maybe he l be back in Jack's plans. Adam Ó Donoghue was a good minor as was Cormac Coffey (KOR). Dylan Casey def deserves a chance and I hear Jack ó Shea (Stacks playing great ball) but maybe we have too many small players. I listened to that game on radio. I don't know much about David Clifford's red card but I've noticed before when things not going his way he gets narky. Hopefully he l cop on a bit or otherwise it will cost him and Kerry. Joe Ó Connor seems to be a real find. Let's hope he can do it at county level. JOD was terrible, he shot many wides and at 1 stage a shot with his right leg just inside the 45 from the left hand side went out over the sideline on the opposite side level with the 45. Best in the game I thought were for Legion Kieran Slattery, Jamie O Sullivan, Conor Keane and Padraig Lucey when introduced. For Spa, Shane Cronin, Ryan O Carroll & Evan Cronin impressed. It was a very defensive game so not a lot of brilliant individual performances to go off. Ref did not help though, Seamus Mulvihill was very whistle happy and must have forgotten that there is an advantage rule in gaelic football. Evan Cronin is an animal of an athlete and has plenty of football, he's a good size of a fella as well, East Kerry really missed him from what I could see.
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Post by thehermit on Nov 2, 2021 12:49:49 GMT
FYI, the County Final is down to be played on Sunday 5 Dec. I was wondering about when it was penciled in for so thought others might not know either. Apparently the Centre of Excellence in Currans is being opened officially by Uachtarán Larry McCarthy the day before.
Just curious what will such a late Co final date will mean for participation in the Club All Ireland? Surely the Munster Club championship will be well up and running by then? Isn't the Clare football final on this weekend for example?
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Post by allrounder on Nov 2, 2021 12:54:32 GMT
FYI, the County Final is down to be played on Sunday 5 Dec. I was wondering about when it was penciled in for so thought others might not know either. Apparently the Centre of Excellence in Currans is being opened officially by Uachtarán Larry McCarthy the day before. Just curious what will such a late Co final date will mean for participation in the Club All Ireland? Surely the Munster Club championship will be well up and running by then? Isn't the Clare football final on this weekend for example? 2021 AIB Munster GAA Football Senior Club Championship Round Date Venue Referee Report QF 1 Kilmurry Ibrickane or Éire Óg Ennis (Clare) V Moyle Rovers, Clonmel Commercials, JK Brackens or Loughmore Castleiney (Tipperary) 4/12 or 5/12 Clare venue QF 2 Newcastle West (Limerick) V The Nire, Gaultier, Ballinacourty or Rathgormack (Waterford) 4/12 or 5/12 Limerick venue SF 3 Douglas, Castlehaven, Clonakilty or St. Finbarr’s (Cork) V Clare or Tipperary 18/12 or 19/12 SF 4 Kerry V Limerick or Waterford 18/12 or 19/12 Final 15/1 or 16/1
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Nov 2, 2021 16:39:39 GMT
Does anyone know if Okunbor took part in the warm up for Brendans last Sunday or when he’ll be available? Also does anyone know at what stage is the injury Mark O’Connor picked up in his last game over in Australia? 3 games to win a championship for Dingle, he’ll surely be tempted if he’s injury free.
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Post by thehermit on Nov 2, 2021 18:00:13 GMT
Thanks for that info all-rounder.
Do I take it they've scrapped the calendar year club All Ireland for this season anyway the Covid situation?
When was that initially meant to kick in? I assume with the split season next year it will finally happen?
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Nov 4, 2021 14:11:38 GMT
Any word on matches being streamed this weekend?
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Post by Kerry GAA Officer on Nov 5, 2021 10:47:43 GMT
Thanks to Atlantic Oils, Geaney Oils and Horgan's Centra Ardfert we are streaming 2 games this weekend from the Garvey Group SFC
Sat, 06 Nov, Venue: Austin Stack Park, (Qtr Final), Dingle V Kerins O’Rahillys 17:00, Kingdom Video Productions on video. Commentators Gary O’Sullivan & Marc Ó Sé
Sun, 07 Nov, Venue: Fitzgerald Stadium, (Qtr Final), Templenoe V Dr. Crokes 12:45 JC O’Shea on video. Commentators Gary O’Sullivan & Aidan Clifford
The games are priced at €5 each.
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Post by kerryboyo on Nov 5, 2021 23:35:35 GMT
Rahillys Stacks Brendans Crokes
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Post by Ballyfireside on Nov 6, 2021 0:21:58 GMT
I have to settle for the Donegal County Final on Sunday, a great prospect with favourites Glenties/St Conals facing Letterkenny's St Eunan's and who are going for the double, having taken out favourites Setanta in the hurling last weekend.
I recall a discussion on here re how the Covid upset was throwing up a few surprises last year, even in the nags; even in the AI series with the rank outsiders of the 4 semi-finalists prevailing and neither of the two hot favourites making the final.
'Long may that trend continue' I hear my Eunan's boys pray tonight as they lie in their beds, thought it is a big ask - still He works in mysterious ways!
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Post by horsebox77 on Nov 6, 2021 8:46:57 GMT
Ya for me Crokes will pip Templenoe although it may not be as big a margin as some predict.
Brendans and Stacks should have the beating of Legion and South Kerry, the second game will bring on the Brendans and they could push for their first final since 92.
The hardest to call is the clash of Dingle and Strand Road. Good head to heads here. Moran vs Barry Dan, the two Tom Sulivans on Hayes and Savage, Coffey on Geaney, think Dingle may move Matthew Flaherty on Tommy. ..Dingle look better on paper, but i give a hesitant vote to the Narries to just about squeek home. Wouldn't be surprised to see ET here.
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Post by thehermit on Nov 6, 2021 9:06:17 GMT
Crokes Brendans Rockies Dingle
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