|
|
Post by crokes86 on Sept 22, 2021 9:35:09 GMT
2021 is done and dusted .
Whoever takes over will be looking at new players who will make it
Youth will be introduced
1 Marc Kelleher Glenflesk
2 Tom Leo O’Sullivan Dingle
3 James McCarthy Kenmare
4 Owen Fitzgerald Gneeveguilla
5 Mike Potts Dr Crokes
6 Dylan Casey Austin Stacks
7 Cian Gammell Legion
Devon Burns Na Gaeil another keeper
Dan McCarthy Kenmare Sean O’Brien Beaufort have had injuries but are promising players
Dan O’Donoghue Spa a consistent defender Eoghan O’Sullivan Legion another young player
8 Joe O’Connor Austin Stacks
9 Darragh Lyne Legion
Mark Ryan Rathmore Liam Kearney Spa the only other options here
Forwards
10 Fiachra Clifford Laune Rangers
11 Paul O’Shea Kilcummin
12 Paul Walsh Brosna
Liam Carey Beaufort is an option Eddie Horan Scartaglen Killian Falvey Annascaul are others m
13 Darragh Roche Glenflesk
14 David Shaw Dr Crokes
15 Donal O’Sullivan Kilgarvan
Evan Cronin Spa Dylan Geaney Dingle Ruaidhri O’Beaglaoich An Ghaeltacht are other options
Hopefully we can get to see some of them in the league
4 very promising minors from 2020
That stood out to me
Paudie O’Leary Gneeveguilla Oisin Maunsell Na Gaeil Keith Evans Keel Cian McMahon Dr Crokes looked very good all year and should be on the U20 panel in 22
|
|
|
|
Post by buck02 on Sept 22, 2021 10:22:14 GMT
I think we need another big man for the middle of the park. Looking at how Dublin moulded Michael Darragh McAuley into the "footballer" that he was I wonder is there room for some outside of the box thinking other than the options given above such as Darragh Lyne, Liam Kearney and so on.
Having watched some of the Kerry hurling games and seen him in action for Ardfert before I wonder would there be a case for trying to poach Fionnan Mackessy and moulding him into doing a job. He's big, strong, a good athlete and would have been in and around one of Jack O Connor minor training squads. I would say similar about Mahony from St Senans/Crotta.
Most of the forwards mentioned above are very samey. Shaw if he can get his injuries sorted is most definitely an option. Donal Sullivan again if his injuries are sorted could be an option in a few years.
I think the need for a dedicated 30 man training squad of "B players" - lads aged from 20-24 who are consistently playing well for the club and most would have played for Kerry minors or Under 20/21s. Some might not be up to it next year or the year after but might be options along the line.
|
|
mike70
Senior Member
Posts: 661
|
Post by mike70 on Sept 22, 2021 10:44:27 GMT
We need to look beyond a 30 man squad, I would think it’s more in the range of 35 to 40, with the latter 5 for the future.
You look at our current panel and beyond 23 players, the others are not at the races to make an impact at inter-county level. The current squad has been left in a poor state IMO, we have a solid 15, yes they need some work, but I think the next manager has a huge challenge in building a squad, a squad that makes our AvB games competitive and gets a team ready for battle, from this year, you can see that was definitely missing.
|
|
|
|
Post by Mickmack on Sept 22, 2021 12:41:11 GMT
Mackessy is the same age as Sean oShea.
I think if Tyrone had him he would be moulded into their team now.
He goes back from nothing which is never a bad thing.
|
|
|
|
Post by kerrybhoy06 on Sept 22, 2021 13:27:45 GMT
How many of those forwards listed above have scored consistently at county championship level?
Roche has but he has also missed a load of chances.
I had and still have big hopes for Shaw but he hasnt shown much at county championship level yet.
|
|
|
|
Post by greengold35 on Sept 22, 2021 14:14:18 GMT
I think we need another big man for the middle of the park. Looking at how Dublin moulded Michael Darragh McAuley into the "footballer" that he was I wonder is there room for some outside of the box thinking other than the options given above such as Darragh Lyne, Liam Kearney and so on. Having watched some of the Kerry hurling games and seen him in action for Ardfert before I wonder would there be a case for trying to poach Fionnan Mackessy and moulding him into doing a job. He's big, strong, a good athlete and would have been in and around one of Jack O Connor minor training squads. I would say similar about Mahony from St Senans/Crotta. Most of the forwards mentioned above are very samey. Shaw if he can get his injuries sorted is most definitely an option. Donal Sullivan again if his injuries are sorted could be an option in a few years. I think the need for a dedicated 30 man training squad of "B players" - lads aged from 20-24 who are consistently playing well for the club and most would have played for Kerry minors or Under 20/21s. Some might not be up to it next year or the year after but might be options along the line. In addition to those mentioned for midfield I would add Mike Breen & Daniel O’Brien - Breen showed a lot this year & I think O’Brien if fit would be an option around the middle - he has plied his trade as a half back but feel the freedom he would be afforded around the middle could play to his strengths. |
|
|
|
Post by Mickmack on Sept 22, 2021 14:19:29 GMT
How many of those forwards listed above have scored consistently at county championship level? Roche has but he has also missed a load of chances. I had and still have big hopes for Shaw but he hasnt shown much at county championship level yet. With respect i think the question to be asked is: How many of those can be coached to attack as a group, which includes constant movement, and retaining possession till the player in the optimal position to score is given the ball. Such players must also have a strong engine as covering back in defense is part of the job. In other words, we need Paul Galvin and Declan type of players. I think the only forwards we can rely on at the moment are DC, Killian and SOS. |
|
|
|
Post by crokes86 on Sept 22, 2021 14:37:07 GMT
I think Darragh Lyne with the right coaching
If he can add size he has a good engine good hands good in the air
Can kick a point
Paul O’Shea the same
Add them with Barry and O’Connor possibly Mackessy that 5
|
|
tpo
Senior Member
Posts: 477
|
Post by tpo on Sept 22, 2021 15:07:31 GMT
[/quote]In addition to those mentioned for midfield I would add Mike Breen & Daniel O’Brien - Breen showed a lot this year & I think O’Brien if fit would be an option around the middle - he has plied his trade as a half back but feel the freedom he would be afforded around the middle could play to his strengths.
[/quote]
Two of Tyrone's kick outs were directed at Mike Breen and was outfielded for both, so think he'd struggle at midfield
|
|
|
|
Post by kerrybhoy06 on Sept 22, 2021 16:33:46 GMT
How many of those forwards listed above have scored consistently at county championship level? Roche has but he has also missed a load of chances. I had and still have big hopes for Shaw but he hasnt shown much at county championship level yet. With respect i think the question to be asked is: How many of those can be coached to attack as a group, which includes constant movement, and retaining possession till the player in the optimal position to score is given the ball. Such players must also have a strong engine as covering back in defense is part of the job. In other words, we need Paul Galvin and Declan type of players. I think the only forwards we can rely on at the moment are DC, Killian and SOS. While I do agree with everything you have said, I guess a more correct version of my question would be: how many, if any, of the named players are standing out at county championship level. We put too much stock in lads doing well at minor level when the transition is the hardest part and a lot of the names mentioned have done little at county championship level yet |
|
|
|
Post by crokes86 on Sept 22, 2021 17:28:51 GMT
David Shaw needs more games with Kerry
One week he’s on the bench then you don’t see him
I think if he got games in a system he would be fine
He’s strong can score good hands
Play full or corner forward or bring him out to midfield as an extra man
Play him 2 inside with Clifford
|
|
|
|
Post by Whosinmidfield on Sept 22, 2021 19:15:16 GMT
Gavin Curran
Jack McGuire
Brian Leonard
Dylan Casey
Dan O’Donoghue
Daniel O’Brien
Michael Foley
Mikey Geaney
Sean Horan
Barry Mahony
Liam Kearney
Joe O’Connor
Paul O’Shea
Kevin O’Sullivan
Eddie Horan
Jack Savage
Evan Cronin
Donal O’Sullivan
David Shaw
Tomas O’Sé
That’s a list of 20 players who I think are possibilities to see league time. The majority of them won’t get it and won’t be good enough to get it but they’re are the names I’ll be looking out for in the county championship with a view to Kerry next year.
|
|
|
|
Post by hurlingman on Sept 22, 2021 19:28:55 GMT
With respect i think the question to be asked is: How many of those can be coached to attack as a group, which includes constant movement, and retaining possession till the player in the optimal position to score is given the ball. Such players must also have a strong engine as covering back in defense is part of the job. In other words, we need Paul Galvin and Declan type of players. I think the only forwards we can rely on at the moment are DC, Killian and SOS. While I do agree with everything you have said, I guess a more correct version of my question would be: how many, if any, of the named players are standing out at county championship level. We put too much stock in lads doing well at minor level when the transition is the hardest part and a lot of the names mentioned have done little at county championship level yet This has been a problem for the long time imo. A look at the Terrace Talk website, that doesn't seem to be working at the moment, you see countless lads who were stars at minor level and some even fail to make it a U21/20 level. Lads tend to be brought into the senior in their early 20s it doesn;t work out and they're not seen again. A separate issue is lads on the panel who aren't getting game time and are also not playing with their clubs. |
|
|
|
Post by hurlingman on Sept 22, 2021 19:37:36 GMT
Also people talking about Fionnan Mackessy being part of the panel next season. I might be wrong but does he even play football? Afaik he didn't play wtih Ardfert during the week.
|
|
mike70
Senior Member
Posts: 661
|
Post by mike70 on Sept 22, 2021 20:53:00 GMT
Gavin Curran Jack McGuire Brian Leonard Dylan Casey Dan O’Donoghue Daniel O’Brien Michael Foley Mikey Geaney Sean Horan Barry Mahony Liam Kearney Joe O’Connor Paul O’Shea Kevin O’Sullivan Eddie Horan Jack Savage Evan Cronin Donal O’Sullivan David Shaw Tomas O’Sé That’s a list of 20 players who I think are possibilities to see league time. The majority of them won’t get it and won’t be good enough to get it but they’re are the names I’ll be looking out for in the county championship with a view to Kerry next year. i keep saying it, it’s about building strength into our squad, look at Tyrone , they could bring anyone in and it don’t impact what they do, we need to build a 35 man squad IMO . |
|
|
|
Post by kerryman56789 on Sept 22, 2021 21:27:37 GMT
Gavin Curran Jack McGuire Brian Leonard Dylan Casey Dan O’Donoghue Daniel O’Brien Michael Foley Mikey Geaney Sean Horan Barry Mahony Liam Kearney Joe O’Connor Paul O’Shea Kevin O’Sullivan Eddie Horan Jack Savage Evan Cronin Donal O’Sullivan David Shaw Tomas O’Sé That’s a list of 20 players who I think are possibilities to see league time. The majority of them won’t get it and won’t be good enough to get it but they’re are the names I’ll be looking out for in the county championship with a view to Kerry next year. [ Jack savage should be on the kerry panel his scores most of strand road points and supply’s others scores |
|
|
|
Post by Attacking Wing Back on Sept 22, 2021 22:27:16 GMT
I would like to see Shane Murphy from the crokes back in as an option for goalkeeper. Was harshly scapegoated after the Galway Super 8's debacle in 2018. Think he is the nearest thing we have to the likes of Morgan, Beggan etc in terms of ability with kickouts.
|
|
|
|
Post by sullyschoice on Sept 22, 2021 23:05:30 GMT
Whats the story with Eoghan O Brien from Churchill. He caught my eye a year or two ago in championship. Havent heard much since
|
|
|
|
Post by glengael on Sept 23, 2021 9:27:44 GMT
The 2018 minors are only 20 now. Listening to some pundits, including Kerry pundits, you'd swear the Minor winning teams are all nearly 30 now and all we've got from them were DC & SOS. The All Ire under 20 championship has been badly disrupted over past 2 seasons so was not the most accurate reflection of what the 2018 crop can do. So lets see what they can do for their respective teams be they college and /or club over the coming seasons.
|
|
|
|
Post by greengold35 on Sept 23, 2021 10:35:04 GMT
The 2018 minors are only 20 now. Listening to some pundits, including Kerry pundits, you'd swear the Minor winning teams are all nearly 30 now and all we've got from them were DC & SOS. The All Ire under 20 championship has been badly disrupted over past 2 seasons so was not the most accurate reflection of what the 2018 crop can do. So lets see what they can do for their respective teams be they college and /or club over the coming seasons. Patience is required- Tyrone were backboned this year by 5/6 guys who won U-21 in 2015 - it takes time for guys to develop. |
|
|
|
Post by Ballyfireside on Sept 23, 2021 10:39:21 GMT
We need to ID that mean streak in laddos, ala AO'M, PG, The O'6s, etc. Remember Galvin telling us in his book of his being picked up at was it Ballincloher Cross by a 'match day car', well a 'trial day car' actually, and the auld hoor at the wheel making some comment that his passenger was 'making up the numbers', maybe thinking because this was small-ball territory if nothing else - 'I'll show teach that auld hoor a lesson' was murmured under the breath in response, and as they say the rest is history.
That was the same Cross Roads where PG and his rogueing pals used to play 'Ear To The Ground', pasting gobstoppers at oncoming traffic.
We now need to play that same game and identify the right oncoming traffic, call it The Kerry Ingredient or whatever, we need the right blend.
The Kingdom is oozing of silky skills, we just need to do as any Royal Family do and thicken the blood with a few Commoners - we need to rise the temper in a few more laddos who we previously believed were 'making up the numbers' and where we got it wrong.
We need to get ahead of the curve here, and rekindle that Kerry toughness of old and do it as young as possible. I read lately that kids raised in households that had a dog were less likely to get common infections as they grew up, i.e. was it that they were exposed to minute infection and to which they built up a natural resistance? Less of the cocooning with iPhones and more of the outdoors rolling in the muck back around Ballincloher Cross. Also 'The Gable Ball' ala Tadhgeen and where he says playing with itinerant kids toughened him up - now that's what you'd call nurturing nature and the evidence is undisputed.
Ballythefireside Quote of The Day - Their history is our future
|
|
|
|
Post by southward on Sept 23, 2021 12:21:04 GMT
The Kingdom is oozing of silky skills, we just need to do as any Royal Family do and thicken the blood with a few Commoners Wonderful metaphor in fairness. |
|
mossie
Fanatical Member
Posts: 2,433
|
Post by mossie on Sept 23, 2021 19:19:50 GMT
Whats the story with Eoghan O Brien from Churchill. He caught my eye a year or two ago in championship. Havent heard much since Yep . good keeper. impressed anytime I see him |
|
|
|
Post by dc84 on Sept 24, 2021 9:50:00 GMT
The 2018 minors are only 20 now. Listening to some pundits, including Kerry pundits, you'd swear the Minor winning teams are all nearly 30 now and all we've got from them were DC & SOS. The All Ire under 20 championship has been badly disrupted over past 2 seasons so was not the most accurate reflection of what the 2018 crop can do. So lets see what they can do for their respective teams be they college and /or club over the coming seasons. Agree here it can often take players especially defenders a while to get to where they need to be for the highest level like even the great Marc o se struggled his first few years. For me we have gotten a fair few top lads out of the minors o shea,Clifford Tom sull and Diarmuid o connor are as good as anyone in their positions We are short a few things an overall cohesiveness attacking and defending better collectively and most of all a centre back we aren't far off at all , if Clifford doesn't cramp up we beat Tyrone I reckon and id say we would'vebeat mayo they looked average enough in the final. It's fine margins at this level hopefully the new or old management team realise that its not always about having the best footballers but about having whats best for the team overall. |
|
horsebox77
Fanatical Member
Our trees & mountains are silent ghosts, they hold wisdom and knowledge mankind has long forgotten.
Posts: 1,672
|
Post by horsebox77 on Oct 4, 2021 19:27:26 GMT
Barry O'Mahony was the North Kerry C'ship stand out player in 2018 and 2019, he was man of the match in both Senan's final wins and his loss through injury cos them early doors in last year's round one.
He has bulked up and playing grest small ball with the county. Question is if push comes to shove, if he was asked to choose Would the Crotta side or the Senans side if him win out.
I hope there is a McGrath Cup next year to to give fringe players a test drive
|
|
horsebox77
Fanatical Member
Our trees & mountains are silent ghosts, they hold wisdom and knowledge mankind has long forgotten.
Posts: 1,672
|
Post by horsebox77 on Oct 4, 2021 19:55:16 GMT
I’d love if there was a McGrath Cup to try test run something like the following.
Eoghan O’Brien
James McCarthy
Stefan Okunbar
Tom Leo Sullivan
Dan O’Donoghue
Mike Breen
Dylan Casey
Joe O’Connor
Mark Foley
Eddie Horan
Paul O’Shea
Donal O’Sullivan
Tony Brosnan
David Shaw
Dylan Geaney
|
|
|
|
Post by Whosinmidfield on Oct 4, 2021 20:04:48 GMT
Barry Mahony might have a chance under Jack O’Connor in a working wing forward role. Based on Jack’s comments on the Examiner podcast, he’ll go with 2 very hard working wing forwards who can bring a bit of physicality. That could suit Mahony, who’s lacking a bit of size for midfield at Senior Inter County level.
|
|
horsebox77
Fanatical Member
Our trees & mountains are silent ghosts, they hold wisdom and knowledge mankind has long forgotten.
Posts: 1,672
|
Post by horsebox77 on Oct 4, 2021 20:11:14 GMT
Whosinmidfield, agree, having seen a lot of the Senans lad from U16's up he is a fine baller, can see and execute the right pass, he has something and an above average club player, the big question is where does the Grå lie as one cannot have two masters. Hec will have to choose one code.
He is a fine fine player and could be moulded, he was the perfect partner for Diarmuid in the minor days but mid field is not an option.
I firmly believe Seanie will end up in Mid field with Diarmuid within the next two years.
|
|
|
|
Post by Whosinmidfield on Oct 4, 2021 22:11:15 GMT
I’d love if there was a McGrath Cup to try test run something like the following. Eoghan O’Brien James McCarthy Stefan Okunbar Tom Leo Sullivan Dan O’Donoghue Mike Breen Dylan Casey Joe O’Connor Mark Foley Eddie Horan Paul O’Shea Donal O’Sullivan Tony Brosnan David Shaw Dylan Geaney Agree, I think it’d be good to see us entering the McGrath cup this year if there is one. Team I’d like to see Shane Murphy Brian Leonard Stefan Okunbor Dylan Casey Daniel O’Brien Dan O’Donoghue Graham O’Sullivan Joe O’Connor Paul O’Shea Ronan Buckley Eddie Horan Barry Mahony Evan Cronin David Shaw Donal O’Sullivan |
|
|
|
Post by kingdomsparks on Oct 5, 2021 9:53:40 GMT
Sorry to dampen the spirits lads but my sources have it that Barry O Mahony is seriously considering emigration ,he would be a serious loss to Kerry hurling and /or football not to mind his clubs Crotta and St.Senans
|
|
