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Post by Mickmack on Mar 28, 2022 7:26:09 GMT
The hurling championship is basically run off between the top 8 or 9 counties.
Thats why it gets the TV coverage.
Even at that we get a few one sided games.
The football league as it stands gives us the top football counties.
All they have to do is run the league as it is.
Race for Sam Maguire Put the teams who end up in the top 6 positions plus the two who end up top of division 2 into a pot and have a draw for 4 quarter finals. Then you have two semi finals etc.
The two who are relegated from div 1 plus the other 6 in division 2 would play off for the Next valued trophy....call in Paidi oSe cup for now.
The division 3 and 4 teams could be done on the same basis.
Every county could aspire to win the Sam Maguire if they climb through the league divisions.
There would be lots of great even games between counties of even standard.
The TV companies would be interested in televising them as they would be contests that people like to see...the way the hurling is at the moment. ...............
I think something likethis would be great. Maybe tweak it a bit to make it even more competitive.... but key point is that the league dictates who gets to play for sam maguire.
Galway and Roscommon as the top 2 in div 2 would join the top 6 in the league for the QFs .
Dublin and Kildare would play in the secondary competition this year but would be trying to get into the top 2 in div 2 next year in order to play in the sam maguire competition.
No more provincial championship and no more pointless one sided championship games where teams in div 1 play div 4 etc
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Post by onlykerry on Mar 28, 2022 15:30:09 GMT
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Mar 28, 2022 15:39:04 GMT
Should Cork be owed a home game? The reason this is happening isn't really to do with PUíR but rather Ed Sheeran.
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Post by southward on Mar 28, 2022 15:59:59 GMT
Should Cork be owed a home game? The reason this is happening isn't really to do with PUíR but rather Ed Sheeran. Absolutely should be no game owed. Cork gave away their only viable stadium for a concert, bringing the Munster championship into disrepute and they should be sanctioned. At the very least, the fixture should be taken off them. Why should Kerry lose the tie next year to accomodate them again?, this is wilful disrespect by the Cork Co Board. I'd rather see it go to Thurles or somewhere this year. You wouldn't mind so much if PUC hadn't already been closed for the redevelopment.
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Post by eternalhope on Mar 28, 2022 17:15:31 GMT
Hi everyone, long time reader of the forum but only signed up now! I'm just wondering if anyone could give a definitive summary of the 2022 championship format?
I thought I had it all sorted in my head (pre-Super 8 format), but now I see that there are 16 teams eligible to compete for Sam Maguire (i.e. all of D1 and D2). If a Division 3 team were to reach a provincial final, do they then unseat the lowest team in Division 2?
If there are teams from the 16 that don't reach their provincial final but are still part of the 16 teams mentioned at the moment, how do they enter the Championship?
Think I'm getting mixed up with the 2023 structure too - it's all getting a bit confusing! Thanks in advance!
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Post by k on Mar 28, 2022 18:48:41 GMT
Hi everyone, long time reader of the forum but only signed up now! I'm just wondering if anyone could give a definitive summary of the 2022 championship format? I thought I had it all sorted in my head (pre-Super 8 format), but now I see that there are 16 teams eligible to compete for Sam Maguire (i.e. all of D1 and D2). If a Division 3 team were to reach a provincial final, do they then unseat the lowest team in Division 2? If there are teams from the 16 that don't reach their provincial final but are still part of the 16 teams mentioned at the moment, how do they enter the Championship? Think I'm getting mixed up with the 2023 structure too - it's all getting a bit confusing! Thanks in advance! en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_All-Ireland_Senior_Football_Championship
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Post by eternalhope on Mar 28, 2022 20:01:40 GMT
Hi everyone, long time reader of the forum but only signed up now! I'm just wondering if anyone could give a definitive summary of the 2022 championship format? I thought I had it all sorted in my head (pre-Super 8 format), but now I see that there are 16 teams eligible to compete for Sam Maguire (i.e. all of D1 and D2). If a Division 3 team were to reach a provincial final, do they then unseat the lowest team in Division 2? If there are teams from the 16 that don't reach their provincial final but are still part of the 16 teams mentioned at the moment, how do they enter the Championship? Think I'm getting mixed up with the 2023 structure too - it's all getting a bit confusing! Thanks in advance! en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_All-Ireland_Senior_Football_ChampionshipThanks very much - I swear that I looked for the wikipedia page for the season a day or two ago and nothing to be found! Either it only appeared in the last while, or I'm losing it... Someone was obviously having fun with the page: "A different team to Dublin is overdue to win the Leinster football title."
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Post by givehimaball on Mar 28, 2022 20:03:19 GMT
Hi everyone, long time reader of the forum but only signed up now! I'm just wondering if anyone could give a definitive summary of the 2022 championship format? I thought I had it all sorted in my head (pre-Super 8 format), but now I see that there are 16 teams eligible to compete for Sam Maguire (i.e. all of D1 and D2). If a Division 3 team were to reach a provincial final, do they then unseat the lowest team in Division 2? If there are teams from the 16 that don't reach their provincial final but are still part of the 16 teams mentioned at the moment, how do they enter the Championship? Think I'm getting mixed up with the 2023 structure too - it's all getting a bit confusing! Thanks in advance! en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_All-Ireland_Senior_Football_ChampionshipAll teams will compete in the provincials as normal. So all 33 teams will initially compete for Sam Maguire. When a team loses before the provincial final stage, they will either go into the the Sam Maguire qualifiers - if they are in Divsion 1 or 2 next year or the Taliteann Cup - if they are in Division 3 or 4 next year. If a Division 3 or Division 4 team gets to a provincial final they get to stay at Sam Maguire level/don't get knocked down to Tailteann Cup. The plan if there are uneven numbers in the Sam Maguire qualifiers or the Tailteann Cup is preliminary round games for some/byes for others.
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Post by Moderator on Mar 28, 2022 23:02:45 GMT
The best bet for a Div 3 or 4 side to get to a provincial final might be Tipperary. They have Waterford and then Clare or Limerick.
I presume (a very dangerous tactic) that the first 8 in the Sam Maguire chase are the provincial finalists and are safe from being in a play-off. If Tipp get to the Munster Final, what teams will play-off to bring the number down to 16?
Logic might say (another very dangerous tactic) that the bottom two teams of Div 2, which would be the just-promoted Louth and Limerick teams, would play-off.
Anyone know how this might work? The calendar has 21/22 May set aside for such a play-off, with any Tailteann Cup play-off also set for that weekend.
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Post by The16thMan on Mar 28, 2022 23:31:36 GMT
Nothing to do with the actual structure but it would appear Kerry v Cork on May 7th will now be played in Killarney. Set to be confirmed this week from what I've heard. I imagine a 7pm throw in would not be viable in Killarney given there is no lights. Probably be switched to 5pm incase extra time is needed, which it shouldn't. Cork are said to be disgusted, players and management were happy enough with Páirc Uí Rinn given the pitch is a lot tighter.
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Post by diego on Mar 29, 2022 0:28:40 GMT
The best bet for a Div 3 or 4 side to get to a provincial final might be Tipperary. They have Waterford and then Clare or Limerick. I presume (a very dangerous tactic) that the first 8 in the Sam Maguire chase are the provincial finalists and are safe from being in a play-off. If Tipp get to the Munster Final, what teams will play-off to bring the number down to 16? Logic might say (another very dangerous tactic) that the bottom two teams of Div 2, which would be the just-promoted Louth and Limerick teams, would play-off. Anyone know how this might work? The calendar has 21/22 May set aside for such a play-off, with any Tailteann Cup play-off also set for that weekend. The provincial loser come in at a later round anyway so they are exempt from playoff. If there are 9 or 10 Div 1/2 teams that don't make provincial final, I haven't heard of any seedings so guessing it would be any open draw with the first 2 teams drawn out playing the preliminary game if you need to get 9 down to 8, and draw out a 2nd pairing if you need to get 10 down to 8.
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 29, 2022 7:37:34 GMT
Nothing to do with the actual structure but it would appear Kerry v Cork on May 7th will now be played in Killarney. Set to be confirmed this week from what I've heard. I imagine a 7pm throw in would not be viable in Killarney given there is no lights. Probably be switched to 5pm incase extra time is needed, which it shouldn't. Cork are said to be disgusted, players and management were happy enough with Páirc Uí Rinn given the pitch is a lot tighter. Kerry would be better off playing Cork in P U Rinn in my opinion. It could turn into a bit of a dogfight in a tight small ground.
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 29, 2022 8:02:13 GMT
After 26th June there will be just 4 teams left standing in the race for Sam Maguire this year.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2022 21:40:08 GMT
After 26th June there will be just 4 teams left standing in the race for Sam Maguire this year. we'd usually only be getting ready for a Munster final around that time. It'll all be over before the August weekend unless a replay.
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 12, 2022 7:28:22 GMT
All you need to know about the evolving football championship: how does the new format work? Advent of Tailteann Cup to modify the season before it goes through another alteration again for 2023
Colm Keys
April 12 2022 02:30 AM
All changed, changed utterly, but what kind of beauty will be born? The football championship is experiencing another change in the coming weeks with the advent of the Tailteann Cup, but the new format will last just one season before further changes are applied.
The level of change may seem straightforward for some, but not necessarily for all. So we’ve set out a series of basic questions and answers around the 2022 and 2023 championships that may help to simplify any confusion.
What’s the basis of the 2022 championship?
It is still largely running along familiar lines. The provincial championship will be as normal with London and New York restored to Connacht after missing out in the two ‘Covid’ championships. Incorporating qualifiers (Sam Maguire) and Tailteann Cup, the football championship will run from next Saturday, April 16 to Sunday, July 24, the first full initiation of the ‘split season’ that is seeing inter-county activity run uninterrupted through the first half of the year, giving much more exclusive time for clubs at the back end.
A football championship starting in mid April and running for 15 weekends, 26 weeks in all for an inter-county season, is a sharp compression.
How are the qualifiers and Tailteann Cup being integrated this year?
Again, along the same lines as previously, but already a distinction has been made on 2022 league outcomes. Division 1 and 2 teams beaten before the provincial finals will enter Sam Maguire qualifiers; Division 3 and 4 teams beaten before provincial finals will be Tailteann Cup teams. If a Division 3 or 4 team reaches a provincial final they will keep a Sam Maguire path for the year, either as All-Ireland quarter-finalists (provincial winners) or rerouted to All-Ireland second round qualifier /last 12 as beaten provincial finalists.
Two but possibly a third, a preliminary round if a Division 3 or 4 team or teams reaches a provincial final. In that scenario, there will be a preliminary round or rounds between Division 1 or 2 teams to bring the number of qualifiers down to eight for the first round proper where there would be four games.
Preliminary round teams would not be drawn from beaten provincial semi-finalists. The winners of those four Round 1 games would then play the losing provincial finalists in Round 2/last 12 with winners there (four) advancing to the All-Ireland quarter-finals to play the provincial champions.
If we were to apply provincial championship results on the basis of recent league results or the higher-placed league finish if the teams drew or didn’t meet, then the first round qualifiers would be drawn between first round/quarter-final provincial losers Galway, Armagh, Limerick, Derry and Louth and provincial semi-final losers Cork, Meath and Monaghan. As the Leinster semi-final draw isn’t yet known, Dublin and Kildare, as outgoing Division 1 teams, are projected for a Leinster final, putting Meath into first round qualifiers.
Longford, Tipperary, Sligo, London and Cavan, projected to reach provincial semi-finals on this criteria, would revert to Tailteann Cup first round.
So reach a provincial final and you stay a Sam Maguire team, no matter what division you are in?
Yes, a carrot for provincial championship progress, a place in the ‘last 12’ as before.
And the Super 8s?
Gone!
How many Tailteann Cup rounds are there?
Four but possibly a fifth, if no Division 3 or 4 team reaches a provincial final. In that scenario, there would be 17 competing teams, including New York, for the first time, who receive a bye to the Tailteann Cup quarter-finals. A preliminary round would reduce the numbers to 14 plus New York with those 14 playing off against each other, on a geographical basis (north and south) in a first round, the seven winners joining New York in Tailteann Cup quarter-finals where again geography (north and south) would come into play for the draw.
Does the Tailteann Cup have a chance?
The GAA’s big play is to fix the semi-finals in isolation on Sunday, June 19. No major games will take place in opposition, with All-Ireland hurling quarter-finals on the evening before. The likely venue is Croke Park, with TV coverage giving them added prestige. The final won’t enjoy the same billing, thoug,h as it is a Saturday evening fixture two weeks earlier than an All-Ireland final.
Why not play it on the same day as the All-Ireland final?
To release as many players back to their clubs earlier. Ticket demand could also be an issue. In time, that may change.
Some counties will be finished up early?
If there are Sam Maguire and Tailteann Cup preliminary rounds, some teams will fall by May 21/22. Otherwise, the following week for Tailteann Cup first round losers and June 4/5 for Sam Maguire first round losers.
But it all changes again in 2023?
Yes, on a number of fronts. Firstly, from 60 games this year, there will be 99 in the 2023 championship, essentially in the same time-frame.
Why the big jump?
Because post-provincial championships, the Sam Maguire and Tailteann Cup competitions will divide into two 16-team competitions and from that, those 16 will sub-divide into four round-robin groups of four in both with three games in each, 48 games.
The winners of those groups will automatically qualify for Sam Maguire/Tailteann Cup quarter-finals. The second and third teams in each group will play off to join them in the last eight. Another extra eight games, designed to keep teams ‘alive’ for long enough to avoid dead rubbers.
How will the number of teams in each competition, 16, be arrived at?
The provincial champions and beaten finalists automatically qualify as Sam Maguire teams and will be seeded 1 and 2 in the round-robin groups. After that, the four highest-placed teams (not including the eight provincial finalists) in the 2023 league will be third seeds in the round-robin groups with the next three/four highest-placed league teams fourth seeds. The 2022 Tailteann Cup winners are also entitled to a place among the Sam Maguire 16 but may be among the eight provincial finalists or promoted from Division 3.
Does being a Division 2 team after the 2023 league guarantee Sam Maguire status after provincial championships?
In 2022, it does, not in 2023, however. The 2022 Tailteann Cup winners must be accommodated as must provincial finalists who could come from Division 3 or 4. If Cavan, Offaly and Tipperary, for instance, reached their 2023 provincial finals but weren’t the 2022 Tailteann Cup winners or had promotion to Division 2 in 2023, and the Tailteann Cup winners weren’t promoted either, that could see up to four Division 2 teams lose out on the Sam Maguire qualifier round robins, including the two promoted teams from Division 3. It’s a remote prospect but is possible.
And the 16 Tailteann Cup teams?
The remaining 16 teams, again seeded according to 2023 league outcomes, though New York will be given preliminary quarter-final status where they would join three third-placed teams playing four second-placed teams. One of the third-placed round robin teams would lose out under the set of criteria used to determine ties.
Are the provincial championships diminished by it all?
Timewise, yes, as they will be completed over five weekends. But with finalists being granted 1 and 2 seeded status in the Sam Maguire round robin, the incentive to push hard is there for all.
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Post by Mickmack on May 17, 2022 7:17:26 GMT
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