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Post by Ballyfireside on Jul 11, 2021 1:34:31 GMT
Funny auld contest, I'd sense Tipp Hurling tactics made 'em hard to shake off and they used the threat of injuries to quieten/frighten us but that was tried before and with the same null result - damage limitation.
I'm hardly the best judge of the game though in fairness I try to enjoy it in the moment, then take another look to analyse. Today will hardly be watched again so on the face of it I'd say it was a run out, are Mgt looking to see what clicks in a given scenario, and doubt David helped Paudie get selected now put to bed, his role is inventive on a par with Clux and Michael Murphy, bearing in mind it is a process of which they are but a part if a vital one.
Tipps was a charitable penalty and that red carded punch that was it Crowley got didn't have to hit the spot, raise the fist and you go home early - reffing is hard, and as is commentating!
Pitch was amazing, Thurles never disappoints since the time they reseeded and the crossbar was a foot out of kilter.
TW arose again I hear you say, maybe he will tip the balance and recover the 3 or 4 we missed out on? Was it my imagination or was he looking like a brick * house type thoroughbred racehorse, all 6'6" of, well Super Sub 2.0?
Ballythefireside News Desk awaits Vets report! What does Mandad think of wan Tommy?
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Post by dc84 on Jul 11, 2021 8:58:53 GMT
We always looked in control of thst game it was a case of job done against a very defensive tipp. The Sandy haired cavalry of tommy walsh and k.spillane livened things up again upon their introduction great assets to have. I think Paul Murphy showed well when he came on he is a wonderful foot passer which is something lacking perhaps in half backline, penalty was soft but a bit annoying he got that far!
I think we will see a more energetic performance the next day I don't think there will be any let up ! And why would there be the blood and bandage are going to be making thier way over the county bounds once again I hope Pk o shea Clifford et al give them the warm welcome they deserve !
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Post by Kerryman Randy Savage on Jul 11, 2021 10:01:29 GMT
Good to get through the game with no injuries. O'Brien needs to sharpen his shooting skills. Apart from the first 10 minutes and the black card 10 minutes we looked totally in control. I was surprised Tipp had a free man for a kick out when Kerry had the 2 extra players at the time. Ryan did very well except for one kickout in the second half. Some nice block downs and nice to see. Great to see Paul Murphy getting some game time again.
I'm surprised that Michael Duignan thinks punching a player in the lower back isn't a red card. I hope when Offaly club players start doing that, they rely on Michael's tweet to avoid a red. Quinlivan deserved red, it was a closed fist. I'd rather he just pushed him and stayed on the field. You don't push someone with a closed fist and you don't push someone that low. Even a ref as poor as last night had no option.
The black card was also questionable according to the Twitter brigade. Is the third man challenge off the ball not a black? Or did the cameras miss the blatant off the ball foul when Kerry attacked?
I doubt we will see that referee for a while, if ever. Hopeless... hopeless. Now to concentrate on the old enemy. I hope to get tickets for that and witness the unbeaten run in Killarney continue.
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Post by veteran on Jul 11, 2021 10:18:41 GMT
We were fairly pedestrian most of the time, there were no demands from the opposition to be otherwise, but when we solved the Tipp defensive conundrum we sparkled and the issue was decided by halftime. David's goal of course was the back breaker. it was a beautiful strike after receiving from Gavin White. Gavin's adventure's forward are now more sensible and economical, in the sense that after shimmying past a couple of opponents he has become aware that there must some snipers free, rather than heedlessly going on further. What deadlier sniper to tic tac with than Clifford the younger.
Once more David picks up the obligatory yellow card for being buffeted off the ball. Refereeing standards continue to skyrocket!
One got the impression that a crucial Tipp tactic was not to concede an early goal but concede they did and that probably was game, set and match to us. In fairness to Tipperary, they did not concede anther goal. This was done by parking a couple of carriages in front of the Kerry goal. That is a legitimate tactic but only if the game is closely contested. When the opposition streak eight or nine points ahead it becomes redundant as a tactic. Without being offensive , I suppose that was the height of their ambition, and truthfully they did defend tenaciously and effectively at times, but , significantly, the margin was eleven points at the end. As the margin widened would it not be prudent to play ball into what was a strong full forward line, on paper at least. Talking about that full forward line, Jason and Brian rarely have their highly rated opponents a sniff, while Brian Fox took Tom O'Sullivan on a circuit of Semple Stadium. That was costly.
The penalty looked dubious to me. There was a consensus that the offence was committed outside the line , a metre one of the commentators said. Frankly, I am not sure of the location of the foul but my gripe is that the main propellant for the Tipp man falling was Sean O'Shea throwing himself at his feet to block the ball rather than any slight contact from behind. Either way it was a present.
Gavin Crowley was much more authoritative than against Clare. Talking about Gavin , I was sad to see Michael Quinlivan get a red card, foolishly earned. That often happens when fine players become frustrated at not being able to influence a game .
Assuming he was not injured, I was surprised to see Mike Breen replaced . Presumably it was to give Paul a run, which was no more than he deserved. Selection for the final in that position will be interesting.
Our midfield was dominant for most of the game with David having his best game for a long time. I have no doubt he will be lining up against Ian Maguire.
I thought Sean O'Shea was outstanding when he needed to be. Paudie Clifford has now become an indispensable member of the team. That is amazing progress in such a short space of time. Would have been useful against Cork last year! Could not resist that barb! Michael Burns just never got into the game.
In spite of what some people here think, I feel Killian is better value coming off the bench, at least while we have the likes of Stephen and Paul still available. Usually the game has opened up on his entry and bringing him in with Tommy is further likely to add to the mayhem.
So, a workmanlike performance. What needed to be done was done , seemingly without sustaining any injuries. More serious business lies around he corner. Surely, we will not suffer from the same complacency as last year? Remember, the sight of the Kerry jersey is capable of driving Cork footballers mad. A mad Cork footballer can be dangerous.
P.S. Whatever the merits or demerits of Tadgh Morley's recent cards, he will have to smarten up his approach. Leaving his colleagues a man short considerably strays away from being smart. In addition, referees maybe slow to give him the benefit of the doubt in future.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jul 11, 2021 10:46:46 GMT
I didn't see the incident but guessing Quinlivan's red was for the sort of thing TÓS got sent off for against Tipp a few years back?
In other words a totally harmless incident but technically a red?
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Post by tpo on Jul 11, 2021 10:51:05 GMT
Paul Early kept going on about Gavin's pass for David's goal being foul, I can't see his point
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Post by buck02 on Jul 11, 2021 10:56:59 GMT
It must have been tough on the Tipp players to be training for the last few months - as Munster Champions to go out and play totally devoid of any attacking ploy must have been frustrating for their players. I only realized reading Veterans report that it was Quinlavan who was sent off, from my vantage point I thought it was Sweeney - but my point is I can understand his frustration. I can remember 3 balls being kicked into the 2 they players they left inside Kerrys half. And not one of them was an aerial contest. One would have thought that a Tipp attacking game plan would have involved isolating Quinlavan and Sweeney inside on Jason and Begley and hitting them early and high.
For Kerry it was a case of getting in and out of Thurles without injuries and suspensions and getting more game time into the players. Cork will probably set up something similar in 2 weeks time - although maybe they might only play with 12 men behind the ball instead of 13. Similarly should Tyrone win Ulster they will surely revert to type against Kerry in an All Ireland semi final. So this might have been a useful lesson for the team.
I agree with Veteran that Killian Spillane is best suited to playing the impact sub role. If he can continue to get 2 or 3 points in the last 25 minutes of a game that will be invaluable when it comes to the crunch game.
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Post by peanuts on Jul 11, 2021 11:54:57 GMT
Paul Early kept going on about Gavin's pass for David's goal being foul, I can't see his point He also initially said that Morley’s foul was a body collide (which it clearly wasn’t) and then said it was for taking a player out of it (which isn’t a black card offense). Sick of having commentators not knowing the blacks card rule, however many years later.
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Post by peanuts on Jul 11, 2021 11:59:20 GMT
I didn't see the incident but guessing Quinlivan's red was for the sort of thing TÓS got sent off for against Tipp a few years back? In other words a totally harmless incident but technically a red? He definitely gave Crowley a ‘dunt’ into the kidney area, hard to tell if it was a closed fist or the forearm. Hard to tell as well if it was an over reaction by Crowley or not. A yellow would have sufficed but it was silly by Quinlivan.
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Post by greengold35 on Jul 11, 2021 12:01:42 GMT
I didn't see the incident but guessing Quinlivan's red was for the sort of thing TÓS got sent off for against Tipp a few years back? In other words a totally harmless incident but technically a red? Happened directly in front of me - Quinlivan used a closed fist to the back - ref had no choice but to issue a red.
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Post by dc84 on Jul 11, 2021 12:08:27 GMT
I didn't see the incident but guessing Quinlivan's red was for the sort of thing TÓS got sent off for against Tipp a few years back? In other words a totally harmless incident but technically a red? He definitely gave Crowley a ‘dunt’ into the kidney area, hard to tell if it was a closed fist or the forearm. Hard to tell as well if it was an over reaction by Crowley or not. A yellow would have sufficed but it was silly by Quinlivan. A dunt to the kidneys can be a very painful one in my experience! I think he went down easy myself tho...
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Post by kot on Jul 11, 2021 13:13:12 GMT
Like many cannot understand many (including paul earley’s) take on some of the incidents. Quinlivan, the second he went in i said to myself “hes off”. And the black card, the ball was offloaded... player continuing his run and was checked. And going on about whites pass? Honestly!
Now, on to the game. Workmanlike is the biggest compliment i could pay. Nothing very inspiring aside from some flashes of magic from clifford and o shea. (Aside from the goal that point they combined for early in 2nd half was glorious). I hope and expect a massive improvement in a couple of weeks.
Watched Cork, my god it was an awful game. We should be righting some wrongs in a serious fashion if we are serious about going on to bigger things.
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Post by Corner Back on Jul 11, 2021 18:59:02 GMT
Does anyone know if Sky are repeating the full game at any stage during the week
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Post by Kerryman Randy Savage on Jul 11, 2021 20:00:15 GMT
Does anyone know if Sky are repeating the full game at any stage during the week I imagine they are as they had the Kerry v Clare game on demand at some stage.
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Post by gaelicden on Jul 11, 2021 20:27:49 GMT
Does anyone know if Sky are repeating the full game at any stage during the week I imagine they are as they had the Kerry v Clare game on demand at some stage. Just checked the sky box, it's there on demand until Saturday
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Post by Ballyfireside on Jul 12, 2021 0:19:44 GMT
We were fairly pedestrian most of the time, there were no demands from the opposition to be otherwise, but when we solved the Tipp defensive conundrum we sparkled and the issue was decided by halftime. David's goal of course was the back breaker. it was a beautiful strike after receiving from Gavin White. Gavin's adventure's forward are now more sensible and economical, in the sense that after shimmying past a couple of opponents he has become aware that there must some snipers free, rather than heedlessly going on further. What deadlier sniper to tic tac with than Clifford the younger. Once more David picks up the obligatory yellow card for being buffeted off the ball. Refereeing standards continue to skyrocket! One got the impression that a crucial Tipp tactic was not to concede an early goal but concede they did and that probably was game, set and match to us. In fairness to Tipperary, they did not concede anther goal. This was done by parking a couple of carriages in front of the Kerry goal. That is a legitimate tactic but only if the game is closely contested. When the opposition streak eight or nine points ahead it becomes redundant as a tactic. Without being offensive , I suppose that was the height of their ambition, and truthfully they did defend tenaciously and effectively at times, but , significantly, the margin was eleven points at the end. As the margin widened would it not be prudent to play ball into what was a strong full forward line, on paper at least. Talking about that full forward line, Jason and Brian rarely have their highly rated opponents a sniff, while Brian Fox took Tom O'Sullivan on a circuit of Semple Stadium. That was costly. The penalty looked dubious to me. There was a consensus that the offence was committed outside the line , a metre one of the commentators said. Frankly, I am not sure of the location of the foul but my gripe is that the main propellant for the Tipp man falling was Sean O'Shea throwing himself at his feet to block the ball rather than any slight contact from behind. Either way it was a present. Gavin Crowley was much more authoritative than against Clare. Talking about Gavin , I was sad to see Michael Quinlivan get a red card, foolishly earned. That often happens when fine players become frustrated at not being able to influence a game . Assuming he was not injured, I was surprised to see Mike Breen replaced . Presumably it was to give Paul a run, which was no more than he deserved. Selection for the final in that position will be interesting. Our midfield was dominant for most of the game with David having his best game for a long time. I have no doubt he will be lining up against Ian Maguire. I thought Sean O'Shea was outstanding when he needed to be. Paudie Clifford has now become an indispensable member of the team. That is amazing progress in such a short space of time. Would have been useful against Cork last year! Could not resist that barb! Michael Burns just never got into the game. In spite of what some people here think, I feel Killian is better value coming off the bench, at least while we have the likes of Stephen and Paul still available. Usually the game has opened up on his entry and bringing him in with Tommy is further likely to add to the mayhem. So, a workmanlike performance. What needed to be done was done , seemingly without sustaining any injuries. More serious business lies around he corner. Surely, we will not suffer from the same complacency as last year? Remember, the sight of the Kerry jersey is capable of driving Cork footballers mad. A mad Cork footballer can be dangerous. P.S. Whatever the merits or demerits of Tadgh Morley's recent cards, he will have to smarten up his approach. Leaving his colleagues a man short considerably strays away from being smart. In addition, referees maybe slow to give him the benefit of the doubt in future. Re Brian Fox took Tom O'Sullivan on a circuit of Semple Stadium, same done Jason previously - but both scored. Have mgt have instructed 'em to mark, follow, the man at all costs? Your spot on re Morley, he looks innocent but refs will go with the flow on this one, they often have limited view and have to make game determining calls. Just like Gavin punchbag, penalty that wasn't a penalty, etc. Ballythefireside Quota of the day - England thought Euro Championship final was a hit the butt of the pailing post of an empty goals, and they won!
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Post by sullyschoice on Jul 12, 2021 22:22:00 GMT
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Post by sullyschoice on Jul 12, 2021 22:25:40 GMT
My club did a fundraiser for public defibrillators. Doing a virtual puck from Clontarf to Semple Stadium. Myself and the eldest fella were there to "prove" we reached our finish line.
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