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Post by Kerryman Randy Savage on Aug 1, 2021 17:40:29 GMT
I've heard from one of the competing counties that a hurling semi final ticket is 50, 10 for kids. Imagine we will get fleeced too
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Post by dc84 on Aug 1, 2021 18:06:31 GMT
Kind of my point they are still the best team there and probably most likely to win it as they are the only team ( excepting 4 or 5 of our lads) that has done it ! The gap has definitely narrowed they have beaten the teams left by 6 pts in last 3 finals have they slipped by 2 or 3 since then I think so question is have any of the others improved by 3 or 4 points to bridge the gap?
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Post by taggert on Aug 1, 2021 18:22:45 GMT
Tyrone have to be navigated first but I did offer myself the luxury, or torture, of thinking who might pick up Con and Ciaran if we get that far. Of course they will have similar questions at the other end. Kilkenny is the hammer that needs to be hammered though as he both creates and finishes with aplomb. He battered the smaller Begley in the league in what was a physical mismatch that had me wondering what were the brainstrust on the line possibly thinking.
Anyway, sonmething for a future day perhaps....
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Post by royalkerryfan on Aug 1, 2021 18:28:33 GMT
RTÉ trying to spin a yarn that Dublin are there for the taking. Dublin showed once they conceded the goal they could switch it on when required. If I was Mayo I'd have some restless nights. It will be a massacre. Dublin have a whiff of Kerry 09 where they are planning to peak after the provincial final. There will be no Leinster winner outside Dublin this decade. 20 points while playing poorly. The other counties are reaping what they sowed. Dublin haven't massacred anyone this year and they won't against Mayo either. Cillian OConnors loss is huge now as that Dunlin team don't look right to me.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Aug 1, 2021 18:31:24 GMT
Tyrone have to be navigated first but I did offer myself the luxury, or torture, of thinking who might pick up Con and Ciaran if we get that far. Of course they will have similar questions at the other end. Kilkenny is the hammer that needs to be hammered though as he both creates and finishes with aplomb. He battered the smaller Begley in the league in what was a physical mismatch that had me wondering what were the brainstrust on the line possibly thinking. Anyway, sonmething for a future day perhaps.... This is the key to bearing Dublin IF we get that far Matching Con and Kilkenny. Breen might be the man for Kilkenny not sure about Con. Maybe Foley...
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Post by colinsworth1 on Aug 1, 2021 20:07:54 GMT
We tend to over think the defensive side just like Kildare today who’s offensive Side was the main reason they lost today It’s the offensive side i .e scoring that will be the killer blow we seem to be emphasizing that this year which gives me hope
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Post by dc84 on Aug 1, 2021 20:13:44 GMT
We tend to over think the defensive side just like Kildare today who’s offensive Side was the main reason they lost today It’s the offensive side i .e scoring that will be the killer blow we seem to be emphasizing that this year which gives me hope Very true the reason we were knocked out by cork last year was we didn't score enough and dublin in the first final we left 2-2 handy enough ones behind us in first half. It is always the scores we concede that are highlighted not the misses up front that are remembered.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Aug 1, 2021 20:17:23 GMT
Tyrone have to be navigated first but I did offer myself the luxury, or torture, of thinking who might pick up Con and Ciaran if we get that far. Of course they will have similar questions at the other end. Kilkenny is the hammer that needs to be hammered though as he both creates and finishes with aplomb. He battered the smaller Begley in the league in what was a physical mismatch that had me wondering what were the brainstrust on the line possibly thinking. Anyway, sonmething for a future day perhaps.... This is the key to bearing Dublin IF we get that far Matching Con and Kilkenny. Breen might be the man for Kilkenny not sure about Con. Maybe Foley... Agree on Breen on Kilkenny but not sure about Foley on O’Callaghan. I’d worry about Foley once O’Callaghan gets possession. Foley isn’t the best at twisting and turning or changing direction which O’Callaghan will target. Would Beaglaoich be the man? He’s playing very well recently. He was well beaten by Kilkenny though so size and strength is a problem although he’s bigger than Tom O’Sullivan who marked him in 2019. Otherwise are we looking at brining Morley back in or going with Tom O’Sullivan again? I know it’s not important now as we have to beat Tyrone and Dublin have to overcome Mayo but it is an interesting and very important question.
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Post by dc84 on Aug 1, 2021 20:30:16 GMT
This is the key to bearing Dublin IF we get that far Matching Con and Kilkenny. Breen might be the man for Kilkenny not sure about Con. Maybe Foley... Agree on Breen on Kilkenny but not sure about Foley on O’Callaghan. I’d worry about Foley once O’Callaghan gets possession. Foley isn’t the best at twisting and turning or changing direction which O’Callaghan will target. Would Beaglaoich be the man? He’s playing very well recently. He was well beaten by Kilkenny though so size and strength is a problem although he’s bigger than Tom O’Sullivan who marked him in 2019. Otherwise are we looking at brining Morley back in or going with Tom O’Sullivan again? I know it’s not important now as we have to beat Tyrone and Dublin have to overcome Mayo but it is an interesting and very important question. Maybe we should think about mccurry,mcshane,Donnelly,McKenna ,mcgreary and canavan first? which when you write them down are a serious proposition. I don't think mcshane is right yet and don't think he will start. Watch the first half of the 2019 semi final if you think i am wrong...
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 1, 2021 21:18:48 GMT
So have Kerry moved that much further ahead of Tyrone since the semi final of 2019 that the final v Dublin is being discussed.
Its the sort of hubris that leads to a fall.
There are reasons to believe that Kerry are better than in 2019 certainly...mainly because of a bit of new blood and lads filling out etc.
What about Tyrone under new management post MH? Have they improved too.
One thing sure is that they value possession and they will look to retain the ball from their own kickout.
There was some excellent long range scores in the ulster final. You will be well battle hardened after winning ulster. Can we describe Kerry as battle hardened after the Munster campaign?
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Post by taggert on Aug 1, 2021 21:42:28 GMT
Agree on Breen on Kilkenny but not sure about Foley on O’Callaghan. I’d worry about Foley once O’Callaghan gets possession. Foley isn’t the best at twisting and turning or changing direction which O’Callaghan will target. Would Beaglaoich be the man? He’s playing very well recently. He was well beaten by Kilkenny though so size and strength is a problem although he’s bigger than Tom O’Sullivan who marked him in 2019. Otherwise are we looking at brining Morley back in or going with Tom O’Sullivan again? I know it’s not important now as we have to beat Tyrone and Dublin have to overcome Mayo but it is an interesting and very important question. Maybe we should think about mccurry,mcshane,Donnelly,McKenna ,mcgreary and canavan first? which when you write them down are a serious proposition. I don't think mcshane is right yet and don't think he will start. Watch the first half of the 2019 semi final if you think i am wrong... We have all said if we get that far so come off your high horse. Its a forum, not a national broadsheet.
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Post by colinsworth1 on Aug 1, 2021 21:48:25 GMT
Tyrone saw what happened when Cork applied the physical pressure up to water break they can do that for a lot longer They will put it up to us for longer but hopefully if we stay working on the scoring return the shot selection keeping the scoreboard ticking over we will prevail . Mayo going to give Dublin a huge rattle and may well turn them over but again Unless they have acquired a kicking coach since last year they are going no where . Ideally we go through Tyrone then Dublin en route to Sam But the way Dublin are playing it could be Kerry v Mayo if we get past Tyrone
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Post by taggert on Aug 1, 2021 21:48:46 GMT
There is a thread on the semi which everyone will contribute too. Thats nit this thread. Jesus wept, you need permision here now to ask a forward looking question, even when you caveat it with "if we get that far". Depressing.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Aug 1, 2021 21:50:24 GMT
Agree on Breen on Kilkenny but not sure about Foley on O’Callaghan. I’d worry about Foley once O’Callaghan gets possession. Foley isn’t the best at twisting and turning or changing direction which O’Callaghan will target. Would Beaglaoich be the man? He’s playing very well recently. He was well beaten by Kilkenny though so size and strength is a problem although he’s bigger than Tom O’Sullivan who marked him in 2019. Otherwise are we looking at brining Morley back in or going with Tom O’Sullivan again? I know it’s not important now as we have to beat Tyrone and Dublin have to overcome Mayo but it is an interesting and very important question. Maybe we should think about mccurry,mcshane,Donnelly,McKenna ,mcgreary and canavan first? which when you write them down are a serious proposition. I don't think mcshane is right yet and don't think he will start. Watch the first half of the 2019 semi final if you think i am wrong... I think the Tyrone forwards are easier to match up with our backs, Foley on Donnelly and Beaglaoich on McCurry with O’Sullivan on Bradley if he starts. McKenna in the half forward line is very dangerous too while McGeary and Meyler will do a lot of defending. Possibly White on McKenna and Breen and Crowley/Murphy picking up the other two but holding back a bit when we’re in possession to protect us on the counter if we’re turned over.
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Post by Control5 on Aug 1, 2021 22:49:53 GMT
I am going to lock this thread for a few days so that the game v Tyrone is discussed on the other thread.
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Post by Control5 on Aug 2, 2021 20:13:44 GMT
Unlocked now
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Post by blacksheep21 on Aug 2, 2021 20:40:49 GMT
With murchan and small back, Dublin look much more dangerous now. Cluxton, mannion, and mcdaid the main absentees from last year. Dublin timing their run nicely and won’t lack motivation in the remaining games.
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Post by kingdomofciar on Aug 3, 2021 0:05:34 GMT
With size of Murchan in Dublins backline, surely this can be exploited.
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Post by Moderator on Aug 3, 2021 0:13:35 GMT
Only one Non-Kerry game to discuss now:
Mayo v Dublin
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Post by Leathama on Aug 3, 2021 18:27:44 GMT
Looks like Hill 16 will be open for the Dublin vs Mayo Football Semi Final. Not sure about Kerry vs Tyrone.
Doesn't seem like it will be open for the Hurling Semi Finals this weekend.
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Post by onlykerry on Aug 3, 2021 19:27:32 GMT
Opening Hill 16 for the Dublin Mayo game is pure pandering to the Dubs - with the crowd limited to 24,000 there is no need to open the terraces to any significant degree.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 12, 2021 8:58:06 GMT
Opening Hill 16 for the Dublin Mayo game is pure pandering to the Dubs - with the crowd limited to 24,000 there is no need to open the terraces to any significant degree. So much for social distancing. Incredible.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 12, 2021 8:58:27 GMT
Darragh oSe
When I look at Mayo now, my first thought is that you have to hand it to James Horan. When he came back on board as manager at the end of 2018, everybody could see that the best days were over for that great Mayo team. That was the Newbridge Or Nowhere year, where they went out to Kildare before the championship was even in July.
Look at the platoon of good soldiers who have walked out the door since then. David Clarke, Keith Higgins, Chris Barrett, Ger Cafferkey, Donal Vaughan, Tom Parsons, Séamie O’Shea, Andy Moran. Look at the injuries that have taken out Jason Doherty and Brendan Harrison for the last two championships and Cillian O’Connor for this one. That’s more or less two thirds of the team that started the 2017 All-Ireland final.
And then look at Horan’s record in his second stint – All-Ireland semi-final in his first year, All-Ireland final in his second and now another All-Ireland semi-final in his third. Everybody – and I include myself in this – had written them off for a while. I didn’t see how you could turn over that many players in such a short time and still stay at the top of the game.
Transition is hard. It’s a delicate process for a manager to handle. I don’t believe for a second that every one of those players decided by themselves that it was time to walk away. I presume Horan made up a few of their minds for them. That’s how these things work.
My last year was 2009 and over that winter, I made up my mind that the time had come. I was happy enough with it. You have to call a spade a spade eventually and I wasn’t going to fool myself. I was going to be 35 when the next championship rolled around and knew the reality. So I went to meet Jack O’Connor and his selectors to tell them the news.
On the way there, I was thinking of a famous incident in Tralee one time where there was a fella playing for one of the clubs who, let’s say, wasn’t the most popular man to have around the place. He was a divisive sort of a character, always getting in rows and annoying people.
Mayo’s Conor Loftus and Diarmuid O’Connor react as referee David Gough awards Kildare a late free during the All-Ireland SFC qualifier at St Conleth’s Park in Newbridge in 2018. Photograph: James Crombie/Inpho Mayo’s Conor Loftus and Diarmuid O’Connor react as referee David Gough awards Kildare a late free during the All-Ireland SFC qualifier at St Conleth’s Park in Newbridge in 2018. Photograph: James Crombie/Inpho When he suddenly announced one day that he was moving to America, there were mixed feelings around the place. On the one hand, nobody was sad to see him go. On the other, they knew they’d have to throw him a going away party or it would only cause more grievance and strife.
They had obviously come to the same conclusion as I had over that winter. Time’s up, Darragh. Next! So that’s what they did. They threw him a party and made a fuss of him and wished him all the best on his travels. Gave him a great send-off altogether. Such a great send-off, in fact, that halfway through the night, so touched by all the love and affection was he that he stood up on his stool and declared that he had decided not to go at all!
I was laughing thinking of this on the way to see Jack and the lads. I was anticipating all the nice things they were going to say to me. I knew right well that somewhere along the way, the prospect of giving it one more year would come up. We were All-Ireland champions, there were new lads who needed to be brought along, all that stuff.
I had my bit prepared in my head -– “Ah, that’s very good of ye to say so, lads. Very good of ye. But my mind is made up. Ye can try all ye like but you won’t be changing it. The time comes for everyone and this is my time.” I wasn’t going to be like the man in Tralee. I was going to move on, regardless of how nice they were to me.
As it turned out, I needn’t have worried. I told them what I was thinking and they wished me all the best and that was that. They had no more a notion of asking me to stay on than they had of sending me to the moon. They had obviously come to the same conclusion as I had over that winter. Time’s up, Darragh. Next!
That’s what transition involves. Jack O’Connor knew where he wanted to go with his team and Horan, you can be sure, came into his second stint with Mayo knowing the same. He made sure that the original agreement was for four years. When you look at the way they dismantled Galway in the second half of the Connacht final, there’s no doubt they can be delighted with where they are in Year Three.
He was basically saying, ‘There’s a job going here – either you get yourself into the shape to do it or someone else will’ I predicted that Galway would beat them that day. And although it looked that way at half-time, you could only be impressed by how relentless Mayo were from the minute the second half started. Time and time again, they ran at Galway and powered through them. They looked like the Mayo team of old.
That’s why I tip my hat to Horan. Transition periods are supposed to last a lot longer than this. It’s a very rare thing to be able to bring about a massive turnover in players like that and get back to the same rung of the ladder in the same shape. All those young lads are fit and strong and athletic enough to survive at this level already. That’s a massive tribute to those players, first and foremost. But it’s some sign of Horan’s management too.
Mayo’s Ryan O’Donoghue and Finnian Ó Laoi of Galway during the Connacht SFC Final at Croke Park. Photograph: Lorraine O’Sullivan/Inpho Mayo’s Ryan O’Donoghue and Finnian Ó Laoi of Galway during the Connacht SFC Final at Croke Park. Photograph: Lorraine O’Sullivan/Inpho It tells you a few things. It tells you his standards are sky high and his expectations are sky high too. He wasn’t giving young lads a chance just for the sake of it or to get experience. He was basically saying, ‘There’s a job going here – either you get yourself into the shape to do it or someone else will.’
When you look at lads like Oisín Mullen, Pádraig O’Hora, Tommy Conroy and Ryan O’Donoghue, that’s what has got them to this point. Outside of Mayo, nobody knew any of these guys three years ago. Horan has them in the physical shape to play at the top level but also the mental shape.
Conroy had a poor first half against Galway. He had to be very close to seeing the curly finger at half-time. Mayo were five points down and couldn’t afford to be carrying any passengers at that stage. And what did he do? The first chance he got in the second half, he went off on a run and scored a brilliant point. Take someone else off, boss. I’m doing fine here.
O’Donoghue has had to take over the free-taking from Cillian O’Connor. That’s some job to land on a young lad in his second season. But it hasn’t taken a hair out of him. He has missed one free in three games and that was at the end of the Leitrim match when they were a long way away out the gap. He buried his penalty the last day as well and scores plenty from play. The Dubs are the biggest test but he has passed everything with flying colours so far.
Transition is hard for a manager but it’s a tricky thing for the players too. It isn’t a simple job coming in after one of the best Mayo teams there has ever been. That list of players I had at the start includes some of the most popular footballers that ever played in red and green. You’re talking about players that are loved in Mayo.
So there’s no two ways about it – if you’re coming in after them, you are going to be compared to them and judged by the standards they reached and the success they had. Your mistakes are going to be scrutinised in a way that actually has nothing to do with you.
Mayo haven’t beaten Dublin in league or championship since 2012 – hardly any of these Dublin players have any idea what it’s like to lose to them A defender who gets taken for 1-2 in the first half straight away has people longing for Keith Higgins. An inside forward who can’t make the ball stick makes an instant hero of Andy Moran. It’s not fair but it’s just how things go. It happens in the aftermath of all great teams when they fall away. Plenty of the Dublin team are getting it these days too.
I do think those Mayo young lads have one advantage though. For all the great things achieved by the team they’re replacing, they still left room for this generation to do what they couldn’t. There’s still that All-Ireland to win.
Mayo’s Tommy Conroy is challenged by Matthew Tierney of Galway during the Connacht SFC Final at Croke Park. Photograph: Lorraine O’Sullivan/Inpho Mayo’s Tommy Conroy is challenged by Matthew Tierney of Galway during the Connacht SFC Final at Croke Park. Photograph: Lorraine O’Sullivan/Inpho That always gives Horan a carrot to hold in front of them. You think you’re up there? Why not go further? Living up to the standards of the previous team is only a stepping stone. The job Horan has given them is to surpass everything that went before.
Plenty of people think they will take Dublin this weekend but I have my doubts. Mayo haven’t beaten Dublin in league or championship since 2012 – hardly any of these Dublin players have any idea what it’s like to lose to them. I don’t think there’s much in it but until the Dubs show some bit of wobble with a game on the line, they’re always going to be the safe bet.
Mayo have handled their transition well and they are a coming force. Anyone can see it. But they still have a bit to go to beat Dublin. I don’t see it happening. Not yet.
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Post by buck02 on Aug 13, 2021 11:08:25 GMT
Tomorrow will tell us for sure if news of Dublin's demise has been greatly exaggerated.
For all talk of Dublin playing poorly in Leinster, you could also point to Mayo's 2nd half against Clare and first half against Galway and if something like that happens again Dublin will probably make too much hay for Mayo to come back from.
If Mayo can get 2 goals and keep Dublin to 1 or less they will have a chance. But I would still go for Dublin something like 1-18 to 2-13.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 13, 2021 13:32:11 GMT
I can envisage Con and Kilkenny combination setting up about 3 first half goals to grab the initiative early.
And Dublin know how to win games from the front.
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Post by kerryexile on Aug 13, 2021 17:14:35 GMT
It is very difficult to call the Dublin vs Mayo game but I agree basically with Mickmack and Buck02 with slight variation in the detail.
Mayo are coming out of Div. 2, have had a lot of retirements and are without their most valuable player. but like all Mayo teams they have some very good young players who will not be intimidated by the challenge. They have nothing to lose.
Dublin appear to be in decline. A lot of people including some egotistical journalists have remarked on their apparent inability to score goals. This is a very naive opinion. All summer we have seen O'Callaghan, making space inside the 20 metre line and then submissively fisting over the bar - keeping the powder dry. The goals may come when needed. The other thing about Dublin is that even if the appetite is waning and the legs are tiring one thing that continues to increase and that is experience. I think Dublin will be satisfied if the score is close enough at halftime. Then in the third quarter O'Callaghan will be let off the leash and they will manufacture (rather than create) a couple of goals and in the fourth quarter use their vast experience to manage the game and get the win even if they bore us to death in the final period. Because of the effect of the water breaks, and the experience of Dublin, they may delay the onslaught 'till the final quarter.
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Post by blacksheep21 on Aug 13, 2021 18:06:10 GMT
I can’t see how this is in anyway a close game. Mayo will be competitive for a spell but I expect a 6-8 point win for Dublin. Mayo don’t have the forwards to hurt Dublin and also lack real impact off the bench. The Dublin decline is marginal but Mayo are also a weaker team than last year as a result of injuries.
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Post by john4 on Aug 13, 2021 18:30:05 GMT
I can’t see how this is in anyway a close game. Mayo will be competitive for a spell but I expect a 6-8 point win for Dublin. Mayo don’t have the forwards to hurt Dublin and also lack real impact off the bench. The Dublin decline is marginal but Mayo are also a weaker team than last year as a result of injuries. Just can't see it either. Even if Mayo found themselves in front with time running out, I couldn't see them have the composure, even the arrogance to see it out. They tick a lot of the boxes needed to beat Dublin, but again between the ears is where I think they'll get caught.
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Post by veteran on Aug 13, 2021 18:42:38 GMT
It is high time Aiden O’Shea delivered an above average performance against Dublin.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 13, 2021 19:08:15 GMT
Robbie Hennelly is back in goals. Its amazing after all the car crash stuff that they havent uncovered another option for goalie.
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