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Post by markisback on Sept 16, 2021 10:45:56 GMT
I don’t think Tyroneperson and Dermot have posted here since Tyrone’s great win. Perhaps, is is because one or two people have made them unwelcome. That is a shame. I have posted and haven’t been made unwelcome. Had one minor difference of opinion with an individual over the Covid issue, but that’s minor stuff and I have to say that I really enjoy reading all the comments from people who seem to love football as much as I do myself. |
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Post by markisback on Sept 16, 2021 10:53:41 GMT
Darragh O'Se All-Ireland finals are merciless occasions. They don’t care who you are or what you’ve been through or how far you’ve come. They are over so quickly that there’s no time for anything other than cold, calculated professionalism. You either turn up ready for business or you spend the winter wondering what happened to you. I always watch finals with a few fundamental questions in my head. Who has grasped what’s needed here? Which team has turned up with a clear idea of what has to be done to come out the other side of it smiling? How many players on either side truly get it? The glaring difference on Saturday night was that so many more Tyrone players were tuned into the terms and conditions of the final. There was a game to be won and they went and did it. They didn’t try anything they shouldn’t have. Go back to the semi-final and think of how Niall Morgan tried three different long kick passes with the outside of his boot and sprayed them everywhere, including out over the sideline. In the final, he was a different player. It wasn’t about big Hollywood passes, showing off how good a footballer he was. It was professional, precise, no-messing kind of stuff. That went right through the team for Tyrone. Their two big midfielders didn’t do anything more hectic or special than compete for high ball around the middle and move it on. I was a bit amused afterwards to hear everyone raving about Conn Kilpatrick’s catch to set up the second Tyrone goal. It was like the Roy Keane line about not clapping for the postman because he gets the envelope through the letterbox. That’s why he was in the team. There’s a difference between being desperate to score and being serious enough about it to do the right thing to guarantee it It was a good catch, don’t get me wrong. And he moved the ball onto Conor McKenna smartly and quickly. But if he had done anything less than that, you’d be asking questions. Big hardy midfielders are there to catch the ball and give it on to the smaller, quicker, more skilful lads. Especially in an All-Ireland final. To be fair, that’s one of the big changes to Tyrone since Brian Dooher and Feargal Logan took over. They have brought in Kilpatrick and Brian Kennedy and given them the job of being an option long down the field for Morgan’s kick-outs. If you look at where Kilpatrick took that catch, it was midway between the Mayo 65 and 45. If you went back through the past five years under Mickey Harte, you’d struggle to find many Tyrone kick-outs that landed in that area. 'Think about Aidan O’Shea’s kick in the first half, coming out on the loop onto his good left foot. He was too casual about it and pulled it wide on the near side.' Photograph: Tommy Dickson/Inpho There’s a simplicity to it that can be hard to beat. Stand your 6ft5in midfielder at centre-forward and ping the ball down on top of him. As good a catch as it was, Kilpatrick had his two feet on the ground when he took it. This is my point – you use the weapons you have to their fullest effect. You don’t have to be flashy, you don’t have to be spectacular. Just be good at the things that matter. Great strengths After the Kerry game, it was so obvious that one of Tyrone’s great strengths was their ability to handpass out of tight situations. The way McKenna went straight for goal from Kilpatrick’s pass to draw the defence before flicking away to his left for McCurry was a prime example of it. He had two defenders and the goalkeeper coming to poleaxe him but he waited until it was definitely going to hurt to squeeze out the handpass. If you watch it again, you can see that he doesn’t look over to telegraph it – he makes sure McCurry is going to have every chance and every bit of space he can eke out to palm the ball home. That is what you need to do. Total maximisation of the opportunity. Nobody did anything amazing, but all four players involved did the thing they have practiced in training a thousand times. How many kick-outs has Conn Kilpatrick caught in his life? How many times has Conor McKenna done drills that involved drawing defenders to create space before getting the handpass away? How many times has Darren McCurry made that sprint to the back post to finish off a move? I’d say they’re all nearly bored doing those basic things by this stage. And yet, when the chance came and the right thing had to be done, all that practice and training clicked into place and they buried Mayo without having to even think about what they were doing. This is where Mayo fell down, in my eyes. I would exempt Lee Keegan from any criticism because you could see he understood the rules of engagement. Straight after McCurry’s goal, he took it upon himself to get forward and strike a point. Lee Keegan with his daughter Lile at Croke Park: The Mayo veteran had total certainty about what was needed and he went out and showed it. You can’t say that for some of the other Mayo players. Photograph: James Crombie/Inpho Lee Keegan with his daughter Lile at Croke Park: The Mayo veteran had total certainty about what was needed and he went out and showed it. You can’t say that for some of the other Mayo players. Photograph: James Crombie/Inpho Go back and watch his kick for it – he was 40 metres out and had to cut across the ball to get the right swerve on it but he did it with no fuss. A minute later, he won a free to bring the margin back to three. He had total certainty about what was needed and he went out and showed it. You can’t say that for some of the other Mayo players. I felt at times that they hadn’t a true understanding of where the game stood and how easily it was getting away from them. They were missing chances by not taking them seriously enough. I know that probably comes across as a stupid thing to say – it’s an All-Ireland final and there was nothing in their lives that they were taking more seriously right at that moment. But there’s a difference between being desperate to score and being serious enough about it to do the right thing to guarantee it. And if you go back and look at some of the Mayo misses in the second half especially, they came about because of bad execution of straightforward skills. Think about Aidan O’Shea’s kick in the first half, coming out on the loop onto his good left foot. He was too casual about it and pulled it wide on the near side. Think about Conor Loftus coming in off the left in the second half when it was 1-10 to 0-10. He was too rushed with his shot and cut across the ball and screwed it way wide on the far side. Crucial time Now if you took either of those guys onto a pitch and told them you wanted them to show young players how to kick a point from where they kicked those ones, they’d make them nine times out of 10. They would go through their kicking action, they would steady themselves and make sure of their footing and they would more than likely split the posts. But they made a mess of their kicks here. You don’t have to play cat and mouse with the goalkeeper. You don’t have to pick out the postage stamp in the top corner Same with Ryan O’Donoghue and his penalty. You could see throughout the game that O’Donoghue was embracing the big stage. Of all the Mayo forwards, he was fighting to get into the game. He wanted the ball. He went out there absolutely convinced he had the beating of the Tyrone defence. I love that about him – it’s one of his great attributes. He doesn’t care who he’s playing, he’s going to go for it and let them know all about it. But that only counts for something as long as you do what you’re there for. And although he kicked his frees pretty well, he missed his penalty at an absolutely crucial time in the game. And worse, he missed it by not being professional and clinical about it. Go back over the penalties that have been scored in big Croke Park matches in the last five or six years. Cillian O’Connor, Diarmuid Connolly, Peter Harte. None of them was flamboyant or technically complicated. They all went with the low shot pulled into the near corner. That’s where you can get the most power just through your natural body shape. You don’t have to play cat and mouse with the goalkeeper. You don’t have to pick out the postage stamp in the top corner. All you have to do is drill a low shot a foot inside the post and it won’t matter a damn what the goalie does. Why can’t you keep your head and do the basics right when it really matters in an All-Ireland final? I know it’s all a matter of inches and that O’Donoghue’s shot only shaved the outside of the post. Half a foot to the left and it would have been hailed by everyone as a brilliant penalty for a young fella to have the balls to pull off in an All-Ireland final. But you get the same number of points on the scoreboard for one that goes in the bottom corner so why wouldn’t you just do the simple thing and go and mark your man for the kick-out? All-Ireland finals are about finding the simplest route to the Sam Maguire. I have seen them lost because fellas were thinking about All Stars. I have seen them coughed up because fellas wanted to prove a point to management or because they wanted to show that they can do miraculous things. But at the end of the day, they come down to who was able to show that they could do the right thing at the right time. Everything else is beside the point. The job for Mayo now is to work out why they weren’t able to do it. Why can’t you keep your head and do the basics right when it really matters in an All-Ireland final? What is it that you’re going out to achieve that stops you executing these skills that you know you have? O’Shea and Loftus and O’Donoghue and all the rest of them have kicked plenty of scores in their lives. They’re not poor footballers. They’re every bit as good as the Tyrone players who walked up the steps of the Hogan Stand. They just didn’t show it when it mattered. They have another winter now to come up with the reasons for that. I agree with Darragh about the Conn Kilpatrick catch. He certainly took it well and did the right thing when he got the ball but, it was just a catch. It makes great tv but I always thought that fielding a ball was just one of a number of equally important skills in football. That’s why I was very opposed to the introduction of the mark a few years ago. The rationale was to encourage more high catches, but that never seemed to me to be worth breaking up the flow of the game. Also I just don’t understand why anyone should get a free kick just for catching the ball. I have to accept that the mark hasn’t had quite as much effect on the game as I first feared but I am still not a fan of it. |
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 16, 2021 11:18:46 GMT
I don’t think Tyroneperson and Dermot have posted here since Tyrone’s great win. Perhaps, is is because one or two people have made them unwelcome. That is a shame. I have posted and haven’t been made unwelcome. Had one minor difference of opinion with an individual over the Covid issue, but that’s minor stuff and I have to say that I really enjoy reading all the comments from people who seem to love football as much as I do myself. I'd say this All Ireland win took the supporters by surprise. I am always curious about what the Protestant community make of it all. I wonder do they watch it. |
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Post by southward on Sept 16, 2021 11:49:20 GMT
I have posted and haven’t been made unwelcome. Had one minor difference of opinion with an individual over the Covid issue, but that’s minor stuff and I have to say that I really enjoy reading all the comments from people who seem to love football as much as I do myself. I'd say this All Ireland win took the supporters by surprise. I am always curious about what the Protestant community make of it all. I wonder do they watch it. Maybe secretly. Curtains closed and headphones  |
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Post by veteran on Sept 16, 2021 12:14:00 GMT
Markisbaxk I notice that you do continue to post here but I specifically referenced Tyroneperson and Dermot. Tyroneperson in particular because the threatened to leave the forum after a heated encounter with another contributor . It is a shame if he carries out that threat because his contributions were always reasonable. Outside posters enrich the forum.
As regards the Kilpatrick high catch, there was a time when that was routine and therefore not newsworthy. Sadly, it is a fading art . Therefore , when executed in the style of Conn Kilpatrick it commands attention and of course when it leads to a goal the attention is heightened . Now even a chest high catch is shamefully rewarded with a mark. As an oldtimer, I feel the soaring catch is possibly the essence of football.
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Post by Dermot on Sept 16, 2021 12:27:02 GMT
I don’t think Tyroneperson and Dermot have posted here since Tyrone’s great win. Perhaps, is is because one or two people have made them unwelcome. That is a shame. Hi Veteran, tbf Ive been too busy celebrating and watching re-runs of Conor McKenna's no look pass for the McCurry goal  ... what a play that was - incredible. Cant wait to next year now .... It will be some competition. Feel extremely sorry for Mayo and whatever about the validity of the curse, its true in their heads.... I honestly dont think they'll win it until you know what... I hope Im wrong as it would be nice for him to see it. |
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Post by Dermot on Sept 16, 2021 12:33:27 GMT
I have posted and haven’t been made unwelcome. Had one minor difference of opinion with an individual over the Covid issue, but that’s minor stuff and I have to say that I really enjoy reading all the comments from people who seem to love football as much as I do myself. I'd say this All Ireland win took the supporters by surprise. I am always curious about what the Protestant community make of it all. I wonder do they watch it. There were two on our bus down to the match but thats probably not the norm.. Some do watch it for sure but a good few (DUP types) detest everything about the GAA as it is seen like the Irish Language in that its always seen as "keeping the Irish in the Irish". |
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Post by upmidkerry on Sept 16, 2021 12:58:15 GMT
Hi I think the process for finding a Kerry manager should not be with the people who employ these people the whole time.
They seem to pick people who have none or very little management experience and also putting people in power who have never won anything. Winning is a habit and you become good at winning as a coach and player.
I think that in the Tyrone game our coaching style played into there hands and thats down to poor management and poor preparation.
The transition from defence to attach were poor and too slow.
The transition from attach to defence was poor and too slow.
The players at this level need to understand game management but also does the manager, Tyrone dont have the same quality of player as us in Kerry. But they tick all the boxes in the other areas and learn from there mistakes like the loss in Killarney, down to good management and preparation.
Our conditioning was poor how were 4-5 players cramping the whole time.
Taking the ball into the tackle.
Make sure not to concede goals. One incident where 2 of our players ran out to the sideline to track a player down he passed the ball over the two players and they went in and scored a goal. Any good manager at that level who is aware of spatial awareness would know when the ball is wide leave it wide man mark or play zonal when the ball comes into the zone not when its not in danger. You protect the goals at all time and force them to kick 20 points instead of conceding 2 goals and 14 points.
20 scores is harder to get than 16.
We have no set patterns of play for vital parts of the game like basketball, rugby etc. How do we not have a plan with a minute left to go in a game so the ball goes to a then b then c and then d and pops out to sean o shea for the winning score or for the draw in extra time. Sinful, poor preparation and game management.
We are also expecting too much from our forwards when half of them are tracking back. Its hard in todays game to carry players who are not 100 mobile. David Moran, Jack Barry, Paul Geaney, their men are getting passed them the whole time creating overlaps and opportunities at the other end. Common sense would tell you that.
How many times will we go with playing people in vital positions that have never played here before or have little experience of playing there. Paul Murphy is excellent but is not a centre back or a stopper which is required at centre back.
In goal you need a goalie who has experience of playing there and making the right decision at the right time. Shane Ryan is very good but not at this level he makes the basic mistakes time and time again when you have Shane Murphy who the coach doesn't get on.
Did people ever listen to Roy Keane, he didn't like half the Man Utd players but when they put on the jerseys they all played for the jerseys, we need to have the best players playing for Kerry and this hasn't always been the way. Regardless of who the player is the job of the manager is to bring them in and and give the the chance and its by these rules and if it doesn't work out thats fine.
Last point development squad managers etc like the county managers jobs, its all down to who you know, not how you have done as a coach its a closed circle and this needs to stop and get the right people in the right position and less about who you are.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Sept 16, 2021 14:58:22 GMT
I don’t think Tyroneperson and Dermot have posted here since Tyrone’s great win. Perhaps, is is because one or two people have made them unwelcome. That is a shame. I have posted and haven’t been made unwelcome. Had one minor difference of opinion with an individual over the Covid issue, but that’s minor stuff and I have to say that I really enjoy reading all the comments from people who seem to love football as much as I do myself. Not your finest comment Veteran and by unanimous agreement. I have a few Red Hand pals, some through the GAA who would find your remark distasteful, moreover from a man of your 'vast experience and educational pedigree', our guardian angel who held a conspiracy theory on all things Covid some months back. I didn't expect you to jump in with the bully crowd, so you got just rewards, there was no crowd! Ballythefireside Quote of the day, courtesy of Mícheál Ó Muircheartaigh - Say it as it is, not as you'd like it to be, and then you can't be criticised. He also advocated of An taobh eile, and where everyone is entitled to give their side. Take a leaf out of wise men's book Vet, never too late to learn, from my auld segotia Mícheál and myself!!! |
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Post by markisback on Sept 17, 2021 9:33:26 GMT
I have posted and haven’t been made unwelcome. Had one minor difference of opinion with an individual over the Covid issue, but that’s minor stuff and I have to say that I really enjoy reading all the comments from people who seem to love football as much as I do myself. I'd say this All Ireland win took the supporters by surprise. I am always curious about what the Protestant community make of it all. I wonder do they watch it. a Some do Mickmack. I know a number who really enjoy watching the matches on TV but there would be societal pressures on them not to go to matches or to acknowledge it. As with the North generally the Protestant community is divided between the die hard anti-GAA people, people who aren’t hostile but it just isn’t a part of their lives and those who enjoy the games even if they feel the ethos of the GAA doesnt really reflect them. |
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Post by markisback on Sept 17, 2021 15:06:14 GMT
Markisbaxk I notice that you do continue to post here but I specifically referenced Tyroneperson and Dermot. Tyroneperson in particular because the threatened to leave the forum after a heated encounter with another contributor . It is a shame if he carries out that threat because his contributions were always reasonable. Outside posters enrich the forum. As regards the Kilpatrick high catch, there was a time when that was routine and therefore not newsworthy. Sadly, it is a fading art . Therefore , when executed in the style of Conn Kilpatrick it commands attention and of course when it leads to a goal the attention is heightened . Now even a chest high catch is shamefully rewarded with a mark. As an oldtimer, I feel the soaring catch is possibly the essence of football. Sorry Veteran, I wasn’t taking issue with you. Just making the point that I personally hadn’t been made to feel unwelcome and wanted to say how much I enjoy talking football with likeminded people on this forum. I see Dermot posted again above, so hopefully no-one feels unwelcome. As regards the high catch, it is certainly a skill which a lot of people really enjoy seeing. I just don’t think we need to break up the flow of the game to have high catches in the game. This applies even more so to chest high catches and I agree entirely with your view that catching a ball at chest height and being rewarded with a free shot at goal is shameful. |
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Post by southward on Sept 17, 2021 16:07:04 GMT
Markisbaxk I notice that you do continue to post here but I specifically referenced Tyroneperson and Dermot. Tyroneperson in particular because the threatened to leave the forum after a heated encounter with another contributor . It is a shame if he carries out that threat because his contributions were always reasonable. Outside posters enrich the forum. As regards the Kilpatrick high catch, there was a time when that was routine and therefore not newsworthy. Sadly, it is a fading art . Therefore , when executed in the style of Conn Kilpatrick it commands attention and of course when it leads to a goal the attention is heightened . Now even a chest high catch is shamefully rewarded with a mark. As an oldtimer, I feel the soaring catch is possibly the essence of football. Sorry Veteran, I wasn’t taking issue with you. Just making the point that I personally hadn’t been made to feel unwelcome and wanted to say how much I enjoy talking football with likeminded people on this forum. I see Dermot posted again above, so hopefully no-one feels unwelcome. As regards the high catch, it is certainly a skill which a lot of people really enjoy seeing. I just don’t think we need to break up the flow of the game to have high catches in the game. This applies even more so to chest high catches and I agree entirely with your view that catching a ball at chest height and being rewarded with a free shot at goal is shameful.Strange, I've yet to hear of anyone - player, manager, pundit or supporter that isn't against this. The mark, that is, not the high catch. It's one of those things that nobody wants, yet it remains in the game. Why? |
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 17, 2021 17:01:00 GMT
Sorry Veteran, I wasn’t taking issue with you. Just making the point that I personally hadn’t been made to feel unwelcome and wanted to say how much I enjoy talking football with likeminded people on this forum. I see Dermot posted again above, so hopefully no-one feels unwelcome. As regards the high catch, it is certainly a skill which a lot of people really enjoy seeing. I just don’t think we need to break up the flow of the game to have high catches in the game. This applies even more so to chest high catches and I agree entirely with your view that catching a ball at chest height and being rewarded with a free shot at goal is shameful.Strange, I've yet to hear of anyone - player, manager, pundit or supporter that isn't against this. The mark, that is, not the high catch. It's one of those things that nobody wants, yet it remains in the game. Why? I like the mark from the kickout. In 2008 final for example Tyrone didnt bother jumping with Darragh for possession from kickouts. Far easier and more profitable to wait till he returned to the ground and surround him and have him penalised for holding or rip the ball from him. Like those bears at the river catching the salmom leaping! On the other hand i hate the 'forward mark'. An abomination. |
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Post by southward on Sept 17, 2021 20:22:22 GMT
Strange, I've yet to hear of anyone - player, manager, pundit or supporter that isn't against this. The mark, that is, not the high catch. It's one of those things that nobody wants, yet it remains in the game. Why? I like the mark from the kickout. In 2008 final for example Tyrone didnt bother jumping with Darragh for possession from kickouts. Far easier and more profitable to wait till he returned to the ground and surround him and have him penalised for holding or rip the ball from him. Like those bears at the river catching the salmom leaping! On the other hand i hate the 'forward mark'. An abomination. Yes, of course, I should have said the forward mark. No issue with the other one. |
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 18, 2021 10:36:19 GMT
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Post by markisback on Sept 18, 2021 12:27:50 GMT
I like the mark from the kickout. In 2008 final for example Tyrone didnt bother jumping with Darragh for possession from kickouts. Far easier and more profitable to wait till he returned to the ground and surround him and have him penalised for holding or rip the ball from him. Like those bears at the river catching the salmom leaping! On the other hand i hate the 'forward mark'. An abomination. Yes, of course, I should have said the forward mark. No issue with the other one. Agreed. I have no problem with one mark from a kickout. My initial fear was that the game would disintegrate into a series of marks and become like netball. To be fair this hasn’t happened. I meant to be clear that it was really the forward mark I was talking about. It just feels wrong to me that a player can get what is effectively a free kick for catching the ball. |
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 18, 2021 15:57:22 GMT
In the 7 finals Dublin lost since 2012, Mays subs scored 4 points. The opposition scored 1.12.
Mayo lost 4 of those finals by a point.
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 27, 2021 21:44:57 GMT
Yes, of course, I should have said the forward mark. No issue with the other one. Agreed. I have no problem with one mark from a kickout. My initial fear was that the game would disintegrate into a series of marks and become like netball. To be fair this hasn’t happened. I meant to be clear that it was really the forward mark I was talking about. It just feels wrong to me that a player can get what is effectively a free kick for catching the ball. Hi Markisback Could you outline whether Tyrone intercounty players are allowed to play any club football between say april through to August while they were with the county panel. Also does the same policy apply to minor and under 20 intercounty players. Apart from the county championship, are there many other competitions for club players....such as county league or divisional competitions. Sorry for all the questions....i am just curious about how much football inter county players play in Tyrone |
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 29, 2021 13:27:05 GMT
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Post by hatchetman on Sept 29, 2021 18:42:59 GMT
Paddy Tally certainly talks a good game.
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Post by markisback on Oct 3, 2021 9:19:54 GMT
Agreed. I have no problem with one mark from a kickout. My initial fear was that the game would disintegrate into a series of marks and become like netball. To be fair this hasn’t happened. I meant to be clear that it was really the forward mark I was talking about. It just feels wrong to me that a player can get what is effectively a free kick for catching the ball. Hi Markisback Could you outline whether Tyrone intercounty players are allowed to play any club football between say april through to August while they were with the county panel. Also does the same policy apply to minor and under 20 intercounty players. Apart from the county championship, are there many other competitions for club players....such as county league or divisional competitions. Sorry for all the questions....i am just curious about how much football inter county players play in Tyrone Mickmack, the impression I get is that there might be more football played in Kerry particularly by the senior championship players and those selected for divisional sides. No senior divisional football in Tyrone. Which championship you play in depends on your league status, so all division one teams play in the senior championship etc. Other than the championship the main competition is the All County Football League played between May and September. 16 teams in Division one, so quite a lot of football to be played. I’m a bit out of the loop this year but think county players are largely released back to play for their clubs. |
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Post by Mickmack on Oct 3, 2021 10:12:49 GMT
Thanks for that markisback.
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Post by markisback on Oct 3, 2021 13:24:31 GMT
Thanks for that markisback. Should have said as well, championship is on a straight knockout basis. |
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Post by Ballyfireside on Oct 3, 2021 16:26:00 GMT
Thanks for that markisback. Should have said as well, championship is on a straight knockout basis. I was at Eoghan Rua v Ahayaran Sat night, I sensed Healy Park was a bit open for it, maybe early stages but such extra space invites 'against the run of play' and Eoghan Rua's 2 goals might have been the story of the game. Now it was my first ever Tyrone club game and I would only know a handful of players - still St Mickey narrowed it a bit on one occasion, or was it that Sky couldn't fit their camera any other place in the world, other than on the side line. |
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Post by markisback on Oct 3, 2021 20:03:37 GMT
Should have said as well, championship is on a straight knockout basis. I was at Eoghan Rua v Ahayaran Sat night, I sensed Healy Park was a bit open for it, maybe early stages but such extra space invites 'against the run of play' and Eoghan Rua's 2 goals might have been the story of the game. Now it was my first ever Tyrone club game and I would only know a handful of players - still St Mickey narrowed it a bit on one occasion, or was it that Sky couldn't fit their camera any other place in the world, other than on the side line. Hope you enjoyed the game Bally. I’m sure you’d have preferred to be down watching a bit of Kerry championship action but hopefully the Tyrone championship was at least an enjoyable way of passing the time. |
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Post by Ballyfireside on Oct 3, 2021 20:07:14 GMT
I was at Eoghan Rua v Ahayaran Sat night, I sensed Healy Park was a bit open for it, maybe early stages but such extra space invites 'against the run of play' and Eoghan Rua's 2 goals might have been the story of the game. Now it was my first ever Tyrone club game and I would only know a handful of players - still St Mickey narrowed it a bit on one occasion, or was it that Sky couldn't fit their camera any other place in the world, other than on the side line. Hope you enjoyed the game Bally. I’m sure you’d have preferred to be down watching a bit of Kerry championship action but hopefully the Tyrone championship was at least an enjoyable way of passing the time. Behind enemy lines! Joke was to watch for AI medals in my change! |
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Post by markisback on Oct 3, 2021 22:02:43 GMT
Hope you enjoyed the game Bally. I’m sure you’d have preferred to be down watching a bit of Kerry championship action but hopefully the Tyrone championship was at least an enjoyable way of passing the time. Behind enemy lines! Joke was to watch for AI medals in my change! No enemies in the GAA Bally. I’m afraid Tyrone are far from the point where we need to check our change for AI medals, but just happy to have got an AI win this year. Makes the depression that always follows the end of the Championship and the start of winter a bit more bearable. |
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Post by Ballyfireside on Oct 3, 2021 23:57:55 GMT
Behind enemy lines! Joke was to watch for AI medals in my change! No enemies in the GAA Bally. I’m afraid Tyrone are far from the point where we need to check our change for AI medals, but just happy to have got an AI win this year. Makes the depression that always follows the end of the Championship and the start of winter a bit more bearable. No enemies of c and no winter where you have Sam. The only medals that matter are next years and as we all agreed in Omagh Sat night the future never looked better in terms of competitiveness - it would be a v smart man or a complete fool who could now talk of who is in a Tier 1 as no matter where you draw the line the next team is only a smigen away and that is all guess work anyway. The only thing that boggles me is how Tyrone are is it 9/1 along with Mayo to win Sam while us and Dubs are 6/4, and what with Fitzy says of more to come from you lot - I think that maybe you are the ones that have the greatest scope to improve but anyway it is good that there is so much uncertainty and which only means excitement, upset the apple cart, etc, maybe Leitrim will play Carlow in next years AI final though someone said 'twould have to be played in Lourdes as 'twould be a miracle! Omagh was enjoyable, players didn't look big but maybe the big field and handy crowd had that effect? A fellow spectator spoke of clubs struggling to make the numbers - like Mickmack's curiosity, is Tyrone similar to Kerry and other 'down the country' counties in that respect? I am always keen on this type of stuff - my pet project is looking at the non-playing issues that affect the GAA and then that as a barometer of other aspects of our community, economy, etc. It is a key subject really, e.g. that it manages to stay amateur despite the rocketing of standard and so the commitment it takes to win. Cork hurler and now backroom man Diarmuid 'The Rock' O'Sullivan once had it at 150 hours a month for inter-county players, i.e. a 40 hour week on it's own, before a lad puts a slice of bread on the table. This then kicks off the Dublin financing topic, also fellas going to Oz and the aforementioned demise of rural clubs. I suppose the silver lining of Covid might reverse this trend with the shift to working remotely but in a way it only disguises an underlying issue, e.g. how many counties/clubs/players have no realistic chance of ever winning a medal, even though their contribution to the GAA is at least the same, maybe even greater if you add in the uphill struggle to motivate people. Tyrone knew such times - didn't St Mickey start training in a car park? - now look where you are, Centre of Excellence, etc. What always amazes me is how into the GAA the women are up there, and they know their stuff I can tell you - I've seen a few laddos being pout in their place and it wasn't on the team if ya with me! |
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Post by markisback on Oct 5, 2021 11:31:52 GMT
No enemies in the GAA Bally. I’m afraid Tyrone are far from the point where we need to check our change for AI medals, but just happy to have got an AI win this year. Makes the depression that always follows the end of the Championship and the start of winter a bit more bearable. No enemies of c and no winter where you have Sam. The only medals that matter are next years and as we all agreed in Omagh Sat night the future never looked better in terms of competitiveness - it would be a v smart man or a complete fool who could now talk of who is in a Tier 1 as no matter where you draw the line the next team is only a smigen away and that is all guess work anyway. The only thing that boggles me is how Tyrone are is it 9/1 along with Mayo to win Sam while us and Dubs are 6/4, and what with Fitzy says of more to come from you lot - I think that maybe you are the ones that have the greatest scope to improve but anyway it is good that there is so much uncertainty and which only means excitement, upset the apple cart, etc, maybe Leitrim will play Carlow in next years AI final though someone said 'twould have to be played in Lourdes as 'twould be a miracle! Omagh was enjoyable, players didn't look big but maybe the big field and handy crowd had that effect? A fellow spectator spoke of clubs struggling to make the numbers - like Mickmack's curiosity, is Tyrone similar to Kerry and other 'down the country' counties in that respect? I am always keen on this type of stuff - my pet project is looking at the non-playing issues that affect the GAA and then that as a barometer of other aspects of our community, economy, etc. It is a key subject really, e.g. that it manages to stay amateur despite the rocketing of standard and so the commitment it takes to win. Cork hurler and now backroom man Diarmuid 'The Rock' O'Sullivan once had it at 150 hours a month for inter-county players, i.e. a 40 hour week on it's own, before a lad puts a slice of bread on the table. This then kicks off the Dublin financing topic, also fellas going to Oz and the aforementioned demise of rural clubs. I suppose the silver lining of Covid might reverse this trend with the shift to working remotely but in a way it only disguises an underlying issue, e.g. how many counties/clubs/players have no realistic chance of ever winning a medal, even though their contribution to the GAA is at least the same, maybe even greater if you add in the uphill struggle to motivate people. Tyrone knew such times - didn't St Mickey start training in a car park? - now look where you are, Centre of Excellence, etc. What always amazes me is how into the GAA the women are up there, and they know their stuff I can tell you - I've seen a few laddos being pout in their place and it wasn't on the team if ya with me! I suppose given the number of All Irelands they have won between them and their domination throughout the history of the GAA it is only to be expected that Kerry and the Dubs will be favourites. In any case Tyrone have won a modest four All Irelands and Mayo seem to have a real difficulty getting over the line even though they have had some really exceptional teams in the recent past. I don’t think either Tyrone or Mayo would have any cause for complaint about the odds. In any case, the favourites tag is one which Tyrone have not worn well, so I’m not too unhappy with the odds Bally. |
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Post by Ballyfireside on Oct 5, 2021 13:29:25 GMT
No enemies of c and no winter where you have Sam. The only medals that matter are next years and as we all agreed in Omagh Sat night the future never looked better in terms of competitiveness - it would be a v smart man or a complete fool who could now talk of who is in a Tier 1 as no matter where you draw the line the next team is only a smigen away and that is all guess work anyway. The only thing that boggles me is how Tyrone are is it 9/1 along with Mayo to win Sam while us and Dubs are 6/4, and what with Fitzy says of more to come from you lot - I think that maybe you are the ones that have the greatest scope to improve but anyway it is good that there is so much uncertainty and which only means excitement, upset the apple cart, etc, maybe Leitrim will play Carlow in next years AI final though someone said 'twould have to be played in Lourdes as 'twould be a miracle! Omagh was enjoyable, players didn't look big but maybe the big field and handy crowd had that effect? A fellow spectator spoke of clubs struggling to make the numbers - like Mickmack's curiosity, is Tyrone similar to Kerry and other 'down the country' counties in that respect? I am always keen on this type of stuff - my pet project is looking at the non-playing issues that affect the GAA and then that as a barometer of other aspects of our community, economy, etc. It is a key subject really, e.g. that it manages to stay amateur despite the rocketing of standard and so the commitment it takes to win. Cork hurler and now backroom man Diarmuid 'The Rock' O'Sullivan once had it at 150 hours a month for inter-county players, i.e. a 40 hour week on it's own, before a lad puts a slice of bread on the table. This then kicks off the Dublin financing topic, also fellas going to Oz and the aforementioned demise of rural clubs. I suppose the silver lining of Covid might reverse this trend with the shift to working remotely but in a way it only disguises an underlying issue, e.g. how many counties/clubs/players have no realistic chance of ever winning a medal, even though their contribution to the GAA is at least the same, maybe even greater if you add in the uphill struggle to motivate people. Tyrone knew such times - didn't St Mickey start training in a car park? - now look where you are, Centre of Excellence, etc. What always amazes me is how into the GAA the women are up there, and they know their stuff I can tell you - I've seen a few laddos being pout in their place and it wasn't on the team if ya with me! I suppose given the number of All Irelands they have won between them and their domination throughout the history of the GAA it is only to be expected that Kerry and the Dubs will be favourites. In any case Tyrone have won a modest four All Irelands and Mayo seem to have a real difficulty getting over the line even though they have had some really exceptional teams in the recent past. I don’t think either Tyrone or Mayo would have any cause for complaint about the odds. In any case, the favourites tag is one which Tyrone have not worn well, so I’m not too unhappy with the odds Bally. Ah no choice anyway as it is punters who make favourites, maybe the less we talk of odds the better after hearing a now very brave Conn Kilpatrick on TV last night! Still I don't think it is just the historic numbers that determines the odds, though the bigger Dublin population might have more gamblers. What's the story re the (player) numbers in Tyrone - emigration, rural depopulation, etc? Do clubs have the same issues as 'down the country' clubs? It is a somewhat different landscape. You live in Kerry? - what is the 'competition' from other sports in Ulster like, I'd be familiar with Dgal but I am more focusing on the 6 counties where it may be easier to spot trends - how does the picture compare to say rural and then urban Ireland? I have a bit of the hurling picture, if only because Antrim are Kings and you have an odd localised bit in other counties, e.g. Burt in Donegal and of course Letterkenny's St Eunans being a bigger urban club with a few blow-ins from stronger small ball counties. I saw some good hurling matches here this past while, skill level is there, just the numbers really that is holding things back, the 'hurling bug' is thriving and making gradual progress, sheer quality of the code is the key of course, hurling folk are 'die'hards' like no other, you'd see 'em walking up the road with their camáns, proud as punch, all ages - making a statement alright, 'em lean enough hoors, well blooded and if body language is anything to do go by they know what they are about! I met a Tyrone bunch of small ballers of a day, hardy folk and across the genders too and which is hardly surprising - personally I often dreaded seeing a camán is a Red Hand, ah only joking of course, of course!! |
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... what a play that was - incredible.
