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Post by peanuts on Aug 12, 2021 10:44:41 GMT
12 teams in Co Minor Championship. 4 clubs - Laune Rangers, Glenflesk, Stacks & Crokes. 8 divisional teams - North K, St Brendans, West K, St Kierans, East K, Mid K, South K & Kenmare District. Is that u-17 or u-18 |
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Post by goforit2 on Aug 12, 2021 15:35:58 GMT
12 teams in Co Minor Championship. 4 clubs - Laune Rangers, Glenflesk, Stacks & Crokes. 8 divisional teams - North K, St Brendans, West K, St Kierans, East K, Mid K, South K & Kenmare District. Is that u-17 or u-18 U17. Good format proposed. 3 groups of 4 teams. Draw this evening. Group games start on 18/ 19th Sept. Games every weekend. Final down for 23rd October. |
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Aug 12, 2021 16:42:46 GMT
U17. Good format proposed. 3 groups of 4 teams. Draw this evening. Group games start on 18/ 19th Sept. Games every weekend. Final down for 23rd October. Is it going to be like the Senior hurling championship, 2 best group winners go straight to the semi finals while the other group winner and 3 runners go into a quarter final? |
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Post by goforit2 on Aug 12, 2021 22:10:39 GMT
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Post by crokes86 on Aug 17, 2021 23:37:07 GMT
Interesting championship this year players to watch for next years Kerry minors
1 Sean Collins Kerins O Rahillys
2 Jake Foley Kerins O Rahillys
3 Jack O Neill Castlegregory
4 Kieran O Donnell St Michaels Foilmore
5 Colm Browne Austin Stacks
6 Liam Evans Keel
7 Togor Silong Austin Stacks
8 Jack Clifford St Michaels Foilmore
9 Eoghan Kelly Glenflesk
10 Jer Brosnan Moyvane
11 Odhran Ferris Ardfert
12 Alex Hennigan Dr Crokes
13 Cormac Dillon Duagh
14 Paddy Lane Austin Stacks
15 Ian O Sullivan St Michaels Foilmore
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Post by crokes86 on Aug 17, 2021 23:49:41 GMT
2nd Team
1 Aivaras Uosis Dingle
2 Sam Buckley Fossa
3 Keelan O Shea Kilcummin
4 Oisin Birmingham Laune Rangers
5 Eddie Healy Listowel Emmets
6 Darragh O’Connor Kenmare
7 Jack Murphy Austin Stacks
8 Thomas Ashe Annascaul
9 Dylan Buckley John Mitchels
10 Donnagh O Sullivan Dromid Pearses
11 Jack Fogarty Kilcummin
12 Sean Barrett Na Gaeil
13 James Fitzgerald Lispole
14 Oisin Breen Sneem
15 Damien Hogan Austin Stacks
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Post by crokes86 on Aug 18, 2021 0:24:24 GMT
My U16 team for 2022
1 Oisin O’Halloran Ardfert
2 Cian O Connor Rathmore
3 Keelan O Shea Kilcummin
4 Shane Clifford Laune Rangers
5 Cian O Brien Milltown
6 Padraig O Halloran Austin Stacks
7 Keelan Best Ardfert
8 Daniel Kirby Austin Stacks
9 Shane Gilroy Ballymac
10 Evan Boyle Ballyduff
11 Sean Doolan Kilcummin
12 Ronan Carroll Austin Stacks
13 Daniel Dineen Rathmore
14 Paddy Lane Austin Stacks
15 Darragh Clifford Laune Rangers
2nd Team
1 Rian Brosnan Firies
2 Shaun Wren Tarbert
3 Donnacha Horgan Austin Stacks
4 Rory Breen Beaufort
5 Finn O Neill Ardfert
6 Charlie O Sullivan Laune Rangers
7 Padraig Moynihan Rathmore
8 Luke Fitzgerald Austin Stacks
9 Evan Brennan Desmonds
10 Harry Wallace Ardfert
11 Eoin O Connell Laune Rangers
12 Darragh O Keefe Moyvane
13 Darragh O Sullivan Skellig Rangers
14 Tomas Kennedy Kerins O’Rahillys
15 Fionn McDonagh Ardfert
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Post by kerryboyo on Aug 19, 2021 0:56:13 GMT
Too early to be talking about 2023
I’d go with something like this basing it off how north kerry and south kerry shaking up
Sean Collins
Kieran O Donnell Jake Foley Jack Murphy
Liam Evans Colm Browne Eoghan Kelly
Jack Clifford Darragh O Connor
Donagh O Sullivan Odhran Ferris Eddie Healy
John Burke Ian O Sullivan Cormac Dillon
Foley And Browne the best man markers in the county that age Foley has done jobs on ferris,Eoghan hassett,Luke Crowley,And Cormac Dillon
Browne has also done great jobs Luke Crowley Odhran Ferris aswell as John Burke,Donagh O Sullivan Dylan Roche
They partnered eachother at full back and centre back aswell with the CBS side who won the u15 Munster title 2 years ago worked really well together I can’t see anyone else snapping 3&6 off them..,
Odhran Ferris could’ve played and started for the minors this year but opted to play soccer for the summer
Dillon,Clifford,Evans Will add experience to this side from being involved this year
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Post by crokes86 on Aug 21, 2021 9:23:23 GMT
Yes both backs are very good and will start
As usual we will have good forwards
I forgot John Burke Laune Rangers
Ferris Dillon Donagh Evan Boyle and Paddy Lane 2 good u16s next year could be subs Oisin Breen no shortage of forwards
Who will partner Jack Clifford midfield is the question
Eoghan Kelly Tomas Ashe even maybe Daniel Kirby possibly
Liam Evans will be No 3 or No 6 They will build it around him
Foley will be 2 and Brown 5 or 7
Collins in goals I would think
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Post by crokes86 on Aug 21, 2021 14:21:18 GMT
Something like
1 Sean Collins
Aivaras Uosis or Oisin O’Halloran sub keeper
2 Jake Foley 3 Liam Evans 4 Kieran O Donnell
5 Colm Browne 6 Darragh O’Connor 7 Eddie Healy
Jack Murphy Togor Silong and Keelan Best will be close
8 Jack Clifford 9 Daniel Kirby
Tomas Ashe and Eoghan Kelly will be subs
10 Donagh O Sullivan 11 Odhran Ferris 12 Evan Boyle
Eoghan Kelly an option at 12 and John Burke
13 Cormac Dillon 14 Paddy Lane 15 Ian O’Sullivan
James Fitzgerald Oisin Breen and Aaron Carey are options here
Larry Nolan another keeper and James Hoare
Backs: Jack O Neill Sean Brosnan Keelan O Shea Evan Brennan Padraig O Halloran for the bench
Midfield: Aaron Kennelly Niall O Brien Dylan Buckley
Forwards: Ger Brosnan Sean Barrett Darragh O Keefe Alex Hennigan Cian Kennedy Ronan Carroll Tomas Kennedy Damien Hogan
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Aug 21, 2021 15:01:45 GMT
Cork minors were destroyed by Tyrone today in the semi final, 23 points to 1-6. That was actually a poor Cork minor team as obviously shown today but also in the second half against us and for 3 quarters of the Munster final against Limerick. Makes our first half performance against them all the more disappointing. I still think if set up a bit differently Kerry could have been there or thereabouts along with Tyrone and Meath.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Aug 21, 2021 15:08:35 GMT
Something like 1 Sean Collins Aivaras Uosis or Oisin O’Halloran sub keeper 2 Jake Foley 3 Liam Evans 4 Kieran O Donnell 5 Colm Browne 6 Darragh O’Connor 7 Eddie Healy Jack Murphy Togor Silong and Keelan Best will be close 8 Jack Clifford 9 Daniel Kirby Tomas Ashe and Eoghan Kelly will be subs 10 Donagh O Sullivan 11 Odhran Ferris 12 Evan Boyle Eoghan Kelly an option at 12 and John Burke 13 Cormac Dillon 14 Paddy Lane 15 Ian O’Sullivan James Fitzgerald Oisin Breen and Aaron Carey are options here Larry Nolan another keeper and James Hoare Backs: Jack O Neill Sean Brosnan Keelan O Shea Evan Brennan Padraig O Halloran for the bench Midfield: Aaron Kennelly Niall O Brien Dylan Buckley Forwards: Ger Brosnan Sean Barrett Darragh O Keefe Alex Hennigan Cian Kennedy Ronan Carroll Tomas Kennedy Damien Hogan 16 or 17 of the players mentioned are only u16 next year. Maximum 3 or 4 of those will be panellists. As shown since the first year of minor moving to u17 in 2018 only the very best 2 or 3 from the year below will make the extended minor panel. There was 4 in 2018, 2 in 2019, 2 in 2020 and 3 in 2021 as far as I can remember. |
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Post by veteran on Aug 21, 2021 15:25:01 GMT
Tyrone were hugely impressive in that match today. No sign of a viral infection with those boys.
Where does that leave our 2021 minor crop?
Of course , it may mean that this is a generational Tyrone minor team which maybe a forerunner of a revival of senior glory. That thought doesn’t help the digestion.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Aug 21, 2021 15:49:57 GMT
Tyrone were hugely impressive in that match today. No sign of a viral infection with those boys. Where does that leave our 2021 minor crop? Of course , it may mean that this is a generational Tyrone minor team which maybe a forerunner of a revival of senior glory. That thought doesn’t help the digestion. I’d actually fancy Meath to beat that Tyrone team in the final. |
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Post by gaelicden on Aug 21, 2021 15:57:35 GMT
Tyrone were hugely impressive in that match today. No sign of a viral infection with those boys. Where does that leave our 2021 minor crop? Of course , it may mean that this is a generational Tyrone minor team which maybe a forerunner of a revival of senior glory. That thought doesn’t help the digestion. First off, I don't think we'll be brushing dust off a certain J. Brolly piece of the 2014 vintage any time soon. Additionally, of course the 2021 minors will feel "what if?" about their campaign. Would they have beaten Tyrone today? Frankly, no one will ever know. Remember they're only 16/17 years old, they still have a chance of redemption at U20 level and hopefully a few will graduate to senior level later on in the decade, I'll consider that a success. Just like the Dubs at senior level, we've won our fair share of Minor titles in the 2010s, so it's not like it's the end of the world. As long as players of decent inter county standard are still coming through regularly (with underage Intercounty success or without), that's what matters. Lastly, it's kind of freaky how some of our main rivals during our good times (Offaly -Early 1980s, Tyrone - 2000s) seem to have decent teams at both U20 and Minor this year respectively. Ominous ain't it🤔🤔😰 |
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Post by john4 on Aug 21, 2021 16:20:31 GMT
The strength and conditioning of the Tyrone boys are on another level.
It's the way forward for success at this age group. Power and stamina are vital.
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Post by mafi97 on Aug 21, 2021 17:19:01 GMT
The strength and conditioning of the Tyrone boys are on another level. It's the way forward for success at this age group. Power and stamina are vital. Up to a point. I get scared when I hear too much emphasis on S+C for this age group - especially when Minor is now U-17 (with which, I totally disagree). The true story of the impact of S+C in Leinster Schools Rugby has not yet been acknowledged (publicly). Us Celts just do not mature physically as early other ethnic groups. Even compared with our nearest neighbours, our underaged rugby teams are not nearly as powered physically. At U-17, the emphasis should be on skill development, technique and game awareness. I forecast that within 3/5 years the question of S+C for younger age cohorts will become a major issue. |
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Post by john4 on Aug 21, 2021 18:29:36 GMT
The strength and conditioning of the Tyrone boys are on another level. It's the way forward for success at this age group. Power and stamina are vital. Up to a point. I get scared when I hear too much emphasis on S+C for this age group - especially when Minor is now U-17 (with which, I totally disagree). The true story of the impact of S+C in Leinster Schools Rugby has not yet been acknowledged (publicly). Us Celts just do not mature physically as early other ethnic groups. Even compared with our nearest neighbours, our underaged rugby teams are not nearly as powered physically. At U-17, the emphasis should be on skill development, technique and game awareness. I forecast that within 3/5 years the question of S+C for younger age cohorts will become a major issue. This is somewhat of a dilemma. I don't think that the Tyrone boys were anymore skillful than the Cork boys. But I think it was their physical strength and athleticism that saw them deny Cork. Let's remember that all these Cork boys are in around 6' tall down the middle but just couldn't match the Tyrone power. The dilemma here is that power will get you a long way at underage but it's at senior level when the skills of football really have to be there and nearly all teams are in the same physical condition these boys could be found wanting. We've seen it for years that there is no direct link between minor success and senior. I agree, without a good foundation of skills, the joy will be short-lived. |
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Post by gaelicden on Aug 21, 2021 23:24:03 GMT
The strength and conditioning of the Tyrone boys are on another level. It's the way forward for success at this age group. Power and stamina are vital. Up to a point. I get scared when I hear too much emphasis on S+C for this age group - especially when Minor is now U-17 (with which, I totally disagree). The true story of the impact of S+C in Leinster Schools Rugby has not yet been acknowledged (publicly). Us Celts just do not mature physically as early other ethnic groups. Even compared with our nearest neighbours, our underaged rugby teams are not nearly as powered physically. At U-17, the emphasis should be on skill development, technique and game awareness. I forecast that within 3/5 years the question of S+C for younger age cohorts will become a major issue. Reminds me of when I was 17. Most of the lads in the year talked about 3 things; girls, drink, and Gym. They'd talk about being in the Gym at weekends, during the evenings etc. Others talked about getting memberships where either: A) they had no Gym at their GAA club B) not an active member of a GAA club I won't get into the talk about protein shakes and bars yet, but if you can tell by now, I didn't give a toss about Gyms and S&C. One week anyway our school got a lend of testing equipment from one of the universities (think it was UL), tested various stuff that I can't even begin to remember about, but it was mostly strength, height, weight, fitness etc. Spent a PE session doing those and class performance presented to us the following week (with individual names removed unless we wanted to know how we did). Let's just say the class results were good, fitness good, weight good, strength - excellent. I then noticed one set of results had been put in wrong which didn't include them in the overall class performance. I recognised them to be my own. Fitness (bleep test) - excellent, weight- not great, strength - what strength? 😂😂. Now whether they put them in wrong intentionally (like the HSE and Covid cases less than 5) or not I'll never know. Years ago you wouldn't be the only one in the class like that, but the culture has changed dramatically. You're practically the weird one now for being able to buy clothes cheaper😂 (can't hardly get jeans my size because my type apparently doesn't exist anymore/ wears skinny jeans only). I'm a few years older now, not any taller, weigh a bit more than at 17 although the GP would probably still be concerned (Not bad/Not great) and I still haven't stepped inside the door of a Gym. During my teen years, I never felt the need to "bulk up" as people put it. One lad in my year at 14 was "bulking up" and taking Protein shakes, yeah he looked bigger than everyone in the year but at what cost? He's young, his body is only beginning development at that stage. For me, I just wanted to play football but even I noticed that S&C was seeping in at U16/minor level. I remember a divisional championship final a few years back where a wing forward was played at corner back at the behest of myself because of his size and strength, not because of his ability as a defender. We lost that day having been a few points up with 10 mins to go. Tactically, the opposition figured out the weaklink in defence and knocked us for 2 goals in succession and yet I still wasn't brought on to have a go. That happened a couple of times that year, I was perceived grand for the regulation rounds but not big enough for the showpiece event. I knew my place then and I wasn't coming back. They tried to convince me to come back but the passion for playing was gone. I should note this was during the 2010s, I'm not that old. Like many on here, I am concerned about S&C on younger cohorts. I've seen the way it's changed first hand at these levels. They told me to lift some weights at 15. At 15 I was only half way through puberty (like everyone else), I've no control over my body at that age and even at 17 I still didn't have control, I was still naturally growing. I'd personally feel that you could mess up somewhere trying to build muscle while still a teenager than when you're in your early twenties and have naturally fully developed. It's concerning now, especially when Intercounty Minor Level is U17. In the eyes of the Law, they're still children, they're still growing up, still developing. You can't legally bet on Intercounty Minor matches and yet they're allowed to be on strength and conditioning programmes that really only the likes of Sean O'Shea or David Clifford (maybe also some U20s) should be on. But it had to have started somewhere though, as kids we all tried to emulate our heroes, kicking the ball the way they kicked the ball, catching a high ball etc. We're easily swayed and once teams started "bulking up" and with the addition of tight fit jerseys making them more prominent, you can easily idolise to be as strong as them/bulk up. Coaches don't help either when they too are watching these senior players become even stronger and want to copy the process, whether it suits their team/players or not. In all, I'm not saying it's wrong to be big and strong at 16/17 (Intercounty Minor or club). To some, it comes naturally. But to others we shouldn't be trying to speed up the process. Let them develop naturally first and once they're in their late teens (19) and early twenties, let them enter that process. I'm certain though that coaches (managers, S&C coaches) won't want it to be like that. |
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Post by kerryboyo on Aug 21, 2021 23:26:31 GMT
Up to a point. I get scared when I hear too much emphasis on S+C for this age group - especially when Minor is now U-17 (with which, I totally disagree). The true story of the impact of S+C in Leinster Schools Rugby has not yet been acknowledged (publicly). Us Celts just do not mature physically as early other ethnic groups. Even compared with our nearest neighbours, our underaged rugby teams are not nearly as powered physically. At U-17, the emphasis should be on skill development, technique and game awareness. I forecast that within 3/5 years the question of S+C for younger age cohorts will become a major issue. Reminds me of when I was 17. Most of the lads in the year talked about 3 things; girls, drink, and Gym. They'd talk about being in the Gym at weekends, during the evenings etc. Others talked about getting memberships where either: A) they had no Gym at their GAA club B) not an active member of a GAA club I won't get into the talk about protein shakes and bars yet, but if you can tell by now, I didn't give a toss about Gyms and S&C. One week anyway our school got a lend of testing equipment from one of the universities (think it was UL), tested various stuff that I can't even begin to remember about, but it was mostly strength, height, weight, fitness etc. Spent a PE session doing those and class performance presented to us the following week (with individual names removed unless we wanted to know how we did). Let's just say the class results were good, fitness good, weight good, strength - excellent. I then noticed one set of results had been put in wrong which didn't include them in the overall class performance. I recognised them to be my own. Fitness (bleep test) - excellent, weight- not great, strength - what strength? 😂😂. Now whether they put them in wrong intentionally (like the HSE and Covid cases less than 5) or not I'll never know. Years ago you wouldn't be the only one in the class like that, but the culture has changed dramatically. You're practically the weird one now for being able to buy clothes cheaper😂 (can't hardly get jeans my size because my type apparently doesn't exist anymore/ wears skinny jeans only). I'm a few years older now, not any taller, weigh a bit more than at 17 although the GP would probably still be concerned (Not bad/Not great) and I still haven't stepped inside the door of a Gym. During my teen years, I never felt the need to "bulk up" as people put it. One lad in my year at 14 was "bulking up" and taking Protein shakes, yeah he looked bigger than everyone in the year but at what cost? He's young, his body is only beginning development at that stage. For me, I just wanted to play football but even I noticed that S&C was seeping in at U16/minor level. I remember a divisional championship final a few years back where a wing forward was played at corner back at the behest of myself because of his size and strength, not because of his ability as a defender. We lost that day having been a few points up with 10 mins to go. Tactically, the opposition figured out the weaklink in defence and knocked us for 2 goals in succession and yet I still wasn't brought on to have a go. That happened a couple of times that year, I was perceived grand for the regulation rounds but not big enough for the showpiece event. I knew my place then and I wasn't coming back. They tried to convince me to come back but the passion for playing was gone. I should note this was during the 2010s, I'm not that old. Like many on here, I am concerned about S&C on younger cohorts. I've seen the way it's changed first hand at these levels. They told me to lift some weights at 15. At 15 I was only half way through puberty (like everyone else), I've no control over my body at that age and even at 17 I still didn't have control, I was still naturally growing. I'd personally feel that you could mess up somewhere trying to build muscle while still a teenager than when you're in your early twenties and have naturally fully developed. It's concerning now, especially when Intercounty Minor Level is U17. In the eyes of the Law, they're still children, they're still growing up, still developing. You can't legally bet on Intercounty Minor matches and yet they're allowed to be on strength and conditioning programmes that really only the likes of Sean O'Shea or David Clifford (maybe also some U20s) should be on. But it had to have started somewhere though, as kids we all tried to emulate our heroes, kicking the ball the way they kicked the ball, catching a high ball etc. We're easily swayed and once teams started "bulking up" and with the addition of tight fit jerseys making them more prominent, you can easily idolise to be as strong as them/bulk up. Coaches don't help either when they too are watching these senior players become even stronger and want to copy the process, whether it suits their team/players or not. In all, I'm not saying it's wrong to be big and strong at 16/17 (Intercounty Minor or club). To some, it comes naturally. But to others we shouldn't be trying to speed up the process. Let them develop naturally first and once they're in their late teens (19) and early twenties, let them enter that process. I'm certain though that coaches (managers, S&C coaches) won't want it to be like that. agree with everything you said here . |
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Post by KY50 on Aug 22, 2021 10:15:26 GMT
We probably need to review our strategy for underage development, worked well over the past 7 or 8 years but other counties are now evolving [Tyrone, Meath, Cork] and we need to keep ahead of the game.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 22, 2021 10:22:34 GMT
We probably need to review our strategy for underage development, worked well over the past 7 or 8 years but other counties are now evolving [Tyrone, Meath, Cork] and we need to keep ahead of the game. You have to identify what you want to get out of underage. Is it e.g. winning titles or producing players for senior? These are neither completely the same nor completely different things. |
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 22, 2021 11:15:10 GMT
We probably need to review our strategy for underage development, worked well over the past 7 or 8 years but other counties are now evolving [Tyrone, Meath, Cork] and we need to keep ahead of the game. You have to identify what you want to get out of underage. Is it e.g. winning titles or producing players for senior? These are neither completely the same nor completely different things. In the recent minor final v Derry, Derry were not noticeably bigger or stronger. They were better at executing the basic skill of passing the ball to a better placed colleague. And at creating and taking scores |
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Post by crokes86 on Aug 22, 2021 12:14:10 GMT
Only guys not of the age I see making the panel definitely is Daniel Kirby Evan Boyle and Paddy Lane
Maybe 2 on the bench 5 possibly
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Post by aaron97 on Sept 27, 2021 22:20:43 GMT
Lane definitely should be on the panel in my eyes
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