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Post by clubman on Feb 21, 2021 16:19:48 GMT
To the best of my knowledge Mick o Connell transfered to waterville for about 2 or 3 years before returning. Valentia didn't disband in that time and I'm not sure if there was a falling out or what. Mick O Connell would be well known for being a headstrong character so it might have been something very small that caused him to move. Waterville lost 3 County finals in a row in the late sixties, all to east kerry I think. Not sure how many of those Connell played in. I think players in those times moved around a bit more than nowadays. Sure O Dwyer played for Dromid for a spell
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Post by politicalviews on Feb 21, 2021 19:54:06 GMT
It is a sign of the times that Valentia have had to play for Renard. From what I hear it is only the start of it as numbers in South Kerry decrease. Even Skellig Rangers had received I think 2 players from Ballinskelligs but only 1 of them has actually played yet. More and more clubs will be joining for the simple fact that numbers are not strong enough.
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Post by Moderator on Feb 21, 2021 22:12:35 GMT
I think the moderator could look into a few of these accounts. They seem to be the same person commenting on it. I dont know any background to this Kenmore did it for few years. So I say fair play to Renard may make them stronger in long run. Forward thinking I believe. More posts deleted from multiple accounts and probably the same person.
This thread is close to being locked...
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Post by Moderator on Apr 4, 2021 4:40:01 GMT
Thread re-opened as I understand there has been some developments.
Those informed of such developments can post the news.
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Post by clubman on Apr 6, 2021 16:51:11 GMT
My understanding is that Renard pulled out of the deal. Valentia then approached another club who rejected them. Finally approached a third club who also refused to join. It appears they are back where they started now with nobody willing to take them on. They will likely be forced to plod along again as they were. Apparently they had a meeting where they had 18 players. Thats probably as good as many of the other teams down here.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Apr 7, 2021 8:52:20 GMT
Why don't they just let the players scatter as they wish?!
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Post by clubman on Apr 7, 2021 10:19:58 GMT
I think the theory was that if they all stayed together then they could possibly reform in 4 or 5 years when more numbers come through. If they all went to different clubs then that would be near impossible to reverse. Also if they could stick together and manage to field a b team or whatever for 1 game a year then they could keep the club name going. I don't see numbers like that coming through anyway so most likely if they disbanded that would be that unfortunately. For want of a better word, they have pimped themselves out to various clubs and its backfired. More than likely either of the 2 latest clubs to reject them would have taken them if they hadnt done a deal of sorts with Renard which obviously went up in smoke. Have any other clubs like that disbanded in recent memory? I know Kilgarvan did a very bried split but any others?
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Post by horsebox77 on Apr 7, 2021 10:36:06 GMT
CLUBMAN:
Brick Rangers the football club of Abbeydorney disbanded in the mid 90's.
In the early 90's even though in the lower tier league divisions, they had four players in the Kerry Panel. Bernard McElligott, Conor Kearney, Tom Connell and Pat Slattery. These four along with the Pats and Ardfert lads back boned St. Brendan's 1992 County Final team that lost to Mid Kerry.
After disbanding, McElligott and Connell lined out with Blennerville, Kearney joined Laune Rangers and won an all ireland club on the forty. Don't know did Slattery kick any ball after that...
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Post by hurlingman on Apr 8, 2021 6:43:34 GMT
I think the theory was that if they all stayed together then they could possibly reform in 4 or 5 years when more numbers come through. If they all went to different clubs then that would be near impossible to reverse. Also if they could stick together and manage to field a b team or whatever for 1 game a year then they could keep the club name going. I don't see numbers like that coming through anyway so most likely if they disbanded that would be that unfortunately. For want of a better word, they have pimped themselves out to various clubs and its backfired. More than likely either of the 2 latest clubs to reject them would have taken them if they hadnt done a deal of sorts with Renard which obviously went up in smoke. Have any other clubs like that disbanded in recent memory? I know Kilgarvan did a very bried split but any others? You would think if they could they'd be better off trying to feild a B team in the likes of a Barret or Cahill Cup etc just to keep things going. The idea thye had made no scene imo. If they had joined Renard for example. What would happen if Renard started to become successful? Would lads really then want to go back?
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Post by hurlingman on Apr 8, 2021 6:46:27 GMT
CLUBMAN: Brick Rangers the football club of Abbeydorney disbanded in the mid 90's. In the early 90's even though in the lower tier league divisions, they had four players in the Kerry Panel. Bernard McElligott, Conor Kearney, Tom Connell and Pat Slattery. These four along with the Pats and Ardfert lads back boned St. Brendan's 1992 County Final team that lost to Mid Kerry. After disbanding, McElligott and Connell lined out with Blennerville, Kearney joined Laune Rangers and won an all ireland club on the forty. Don't know did Slattery kick any ball after that... If the talk is true Brick Rangers could be making a come back soon. They really were a very odd club. I don't think they were ever higher than Div 4 or Novice, yet had four lads you mention who played at every level with Kerry for a few years and bar Kearney the others never played again.
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Post by seangalvin on Apr 8, 2021 12:54:47 GMT
The terms of the deal between renard and valentia fell through due to valentia wanting to field a team in a 'b' competition which would require the players gone to renard to come back and play in this competition. It seems valentia had renard by the thumb but it turned back to bite them. They approached waterville who unanimously rejected and Dromid didn't even entertain the idea. I've heard they have come looking back to renard but they are just rumours for now and I can see them either working out a deal with skelling rangers or completly disbanding
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Post by fairplay on May 1, 2021 21:58:28 GMT
just an update on the valentia situation.they have seemed to have exhausted all their options with renard not taking them on permission to play but would on transfer basis.The sad situation is one of the best rural clubs in the last 30 years is going downwards.the clubs they spoke with all wanted transfer only.Skellig was the obvious place for them as they all have played underage with them.South Kerry have already lost the sullivans to Stacks but would not want to lose the likes of John Curran,Jim Lynch and others ,all decent players.Hopefully they can do a deal with Skellig for the present.The oyjrt choice is open area which would mean loss of club status.
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Post by Moderator on May 2, 2021 1:54:31 GMT
Here's what "fairplay" just posted...I'm very wary of new posters coming on to this thread and will not hesitate to delete posts and members. I have copied the exact post, errors/typos and all as is.
"just an update on the valentia situation.they have seemed to have exhausted all their options with renard not taking them on permission to play but would on transfer basis.The sad situation is one of the best rural clubs in the last 30 years is going downwards.the clubs they spoke with all wanted transfer only.Skellig was the obvious place for them as they all have played underage with them.South Kerry have already lost the sullivans to Stacks but would not want to lose the likes of John Curran,Jim Lynch and others ,all decent players.Hopefully they can do a deal with Skellig for the present.The oyjrt choice is open area which would mean loss of club status."
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Post by hurlingman on May 13, 2021 7:09:03 GMT
It seem Valentia are going to field a team in Div 6 of the county league this year.
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Post by fairplay on May 17, 2021 9:06:41 GMT
it is great to see valentia fielding a team again.my scources in south kerry tell me that the island club will be up and running with good numbers in 2 years time.at the moment some of the senior players have come together to keep it going.The strange thing about it all is that there is 3 players being talked about that they are going to Dromid Pearses at the same time.Hard to make sense of all the information but hopefully the valentia club stays going
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Post by kodie on May 17, 2021 11:00:27 GMT
Valentia saga rumbles on hearing from my sources down South that the 4 or 5 Valentia players may be going to Dromid. Saga not over yet.
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Post by iveragh on May 17, 2021 11:12:04 GMT
Valentia saga rumbles on hearing from my sources down South that the 4 or 5 Valentia players may be going to Dromid. Saga not over yet. that is correct, 4 of there best players have joined Dromid Pearses, thrown everything up in a mess again for valentia.
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Post by innyvalleyrambler on May 17, 2021 20:58:18 GMT
Going by Kerry Sports Hub 4 of Valentia's best players are heading to Dromid. Yet Valentia are fielding a team for 2021 tight on numbers and can afford their 4 best players to jump ship. This is like Suduko! Hard to know whos doing the maths down in Valentia at all.
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Post by goonised on May 18, 2021 6:42:36 GMT
A farce but not surprising with the way things are run down there.
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Post by hurlingman on May 18, 2021 15:12:24 GMT
A farce but not surprising with the way things are run down there. The whole thing makes no sense. How can some lads be alble to move clubs but others can't? What happens if they don't want to go back? Is it like the time John Paul Leahy from Ballyduff when he as such went ''on loan'' to Tarbert for a season?
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Post by clubman on May 18, 2021 20:26:49 GMT
Its my understanding that there are 3 players moving. Despite what the papers say there is no hope of Valentia fielding a team in the county league either way. They counted up the numbers but apparently were adding in a few older lads and a few more that have little interest in the game. That was never going to work realistically. They tried to move as a group and that didnt work so if any fella is serious about playing then he has to move to a different club In all fairness they have ploughed away for several years but this day was always on the cards. I dont think underage numbers are too strong but then again that goes for most clubs down here.
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Post by mossie on May 18, 2021 20:57:28 GMT
So Clubman, Valentia wont be in Division 6??
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Post by hurlingman on May 19, 2021 7:33:56 GMT
Its my understanding that there are 3 players moving. Despite what the papers say there is no hope of Valentia fielding a team in the county league either way. They counted up the numbers but apparently were adding in a few older lads and a few more that have little interest in the game. That was never going to work realistically. They tried to move as a group and that didnt work so if any fella is serious about playing then he has to move to a different club In all fairness they have ploughed away for several years but this day was always on the cards. I dont think underage numbers are too strong but then again that goes for most clubs down here. Did it ay they were going to enter the B county league thi year? If they do plan on having a team that might be the way to go. Even if it's for a year or two.
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Post by clubman on May 19, 2021 8:12:04 GMT
So Clubman, Valentia wont be in Division 6?? If there was a chance that they would be fielding a team in the county league then the few players wouldnt be going anywhere. Might try field for 1 game to keep the name going most likely
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Post by clubman on May 19, 2021 8:13:37 GMT
Its my understanding that there are 3 players moving. Despite what the papers say there is no hope of Valentia fielding a team in the county league either way. They counted up the numbers but apparently were adding in a few older lads and a few more that have little interest in the game. That was never going to work realistically. They tried to move as a group and that didnt work so if any fella is serious about playing then he has to move to a different club In all fairness they have ploughed away for several years but this day was always on the cards. I dont think underage numbers are too strong but then again that goes for most clubs down here. Did it ay they were going to enter the B county league thi year? If they do plan on having a team that might be the way to go. Even if it's for a year or two. One game is all they would need to play to keep the club alive. I can imagine there will be a few 40 somethings coming out of retirement to keep the club status. Time will tell
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Post by hurlingman on May 19, 2021 10:30:05 GMT
Did it ay they were going to enter the B county league thi year? If they do plan on having a team that might be the way to go. Even if it's for a year or two. One game is all they would need to play to keep the club alive. I can imagine there will be a few 40 somethings coming out of retirement to keep the club status. Time will tell IF they want to do that you would think playing in the likes of the Barrett or Cahill Cup just to keep things going for a few years. It would make more scene imo then tying to field a week in week out for the county league.
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