kodie
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Post by kodie on Jan 17, 2021 23:14:56 GMT
Valentia Young Islanders looking to amalgamate at Senior Level in 2021. Who are the contenders that they will go to see they are joined with Skeelig Rangers at underage. Very worrying times for teams in South Kerry by all accounts
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Post by mossie on Jan 17, 2021 23:44:06 GMT
sad to see
fair play to the veterans in their 40s who have kept togging to ensure they fielded he last few years, Templenoe veterans had to do it also a few years back until the present crop came through
hard to see how Valentia can come back out of this but lets hope they can
Did this happen to them way back too - Mick OConnell played for Waterville??
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Post by Kerryman 2 on Feb 5, 2021 21:18:15 GMT
I see Valentia are having EGM tomorrow night want club is taken them
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Post by mossie on Feb 7, 2021 17:29:18 GMT
tough times in Iveragh
how many clubs gone now over 20 years?
Sneem\Derrynane is an amalgamation
St Michaels\Foilemore is an amalgamation
Valentia is in serious bother
Had Portmagee had a team seperate to Skellig Rangers in times past?
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Post by Moderator on Feb 7, 2021 22:25:00 GMT
Deleted a few posts based entirely on hearsay.
Let's wait for some sort of announcement regarding whatever path forward is chosen.
Until then, please refrain from adding to rumours.
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Post by mossie on Feb 8, 2021 0:01:45 GMT
good policy mod
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Post by clubman on Feb 11, 2021 20:50:30 GMT
In all fairness Renard have had big numbers coming through for the last 20 years and haven't been further than division 3 in that time or even got close to a south Kerry final. They have a lot to do before dominating SK. I do agree that they are not in need of this move though, I haven't heard anything about this for the last few days, Renard did have a egm the other night but no stories emerged from it
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Post by Ballyfireside on Feb 11, 2021 21:21:20 GMT
150,000 in tourism have lost their jobs but there are brighter days ahead, the future isn't cancelled.
Covid accelerated the Internet way of life, what may have taken 10 years took 10 months and I wonder of the extent of change that such evolution will have on rural depopulation - how much repopulation?
Will things be any different as they return towards 'normality', new normality?
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Post by hurlingman on Feb 12, 2021 10:22:34 GMT
I would have thought as Valentia will have no team then players would be free to join whoever they wanted to. What if someone didnlt want to join Renard? Doe that mean he can't play for anyone else?
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Post by Premier on Feb 12, 2021 11:06:14 GMT
I would have thought as Valentia will have no team then players would be free to join whoever they wanted to. What if someone didnlt want to join Renard? Doe that mean he can't play for anyone else? I think the logic was if they were to go together they were more likely to come back if that was the case when their numbers were more sustainable. If they dispersed everywhere then they could just get lost to the club. I read something about the Valentia members wanted to go to a game to support their players, which obviously couldn’t really happen if half of them were playing for one team and the other half against them
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Post by seangalvin on Feb 14, 2021 14:56:03 GMT
In all fairness Renard have had big numbers coming through for the last 20 years and haven't been further than division 3 in that time or even got close to a south Kerry final. They have a lot to do before dominating SK. I do agree that they are not in need of this move though, I haven't heard anything about this for the last few days, Renard did have a egm the other night but no stories emerged from it Just to clarify for the forum renard have not had any egm yet as of today and little to no information is being made available to club members
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Post by innyvalleyrambler on Feb 14, 2021 23:07:44 GMT
How is it every week there is a different line as to where Valentia are going. First Dromid then Waterville then Renard then back across the bridge to Portmagee. Valentia please just decide and leave it be what it is. God be with the days Valentia and indeed Valentia B ruled the roast in South Kerry at a time when most of the other areas where ravaged by emigration. Its sad to see them come to this but please decide go with it once and for all!
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Post by politicalviews on Feb 16, 2021 12:41:07 GMT
Has there been any update ?
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Feb 16, 2021 21:00:07 GMT
Did they not already merge with stacks last year?
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Post by seangalvin on Feb 20, 2021 16:44:35 GMT
While not a member of either renard or valentia gaa club I have to express dissapointment in renard's decision. They've now gone and basically kicked their younger players in the teeth and said we'll find better players then ye. It seems like a weak chairman was persuaded by a few people pulling strings up top and because of this we will no doubt be seeing renard fellas jumping ship and personally I wouldn't blame them. If your own club gives up on you, you owe nothing to that club.
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Post by seangalvin on Feb 20, 2021 18:36:12 GMT
I know for a fact that this is not an amalgamation rather it is valentia players transferring to renard. The team will be know as renard, wear renard jerseys, play games in renard and valentia fellas must pay membeship to renard. I don't understand how but apperently they can leave at any stage they wish and is it reassessed on a year by year basis. It's rather like renard are acting as a charity case until valentia are back to full strength.
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Post by seangalvin on Feb 20, 2021 18:57:39 GMT
What teams will take renard young players? Will there players working away still keep playing with valard , sad day renard were a good club .was it the hiding the Mary's gave then last September ? Players got Manager the sack now got valard a new move for player power. Read my previous post again as you seem to lack the understanding I gave. It was valentia that looked for this day one nothing to do with the accusations you hence mention.
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Post by seangalvin on Feb 20, 2021 19:15:40 GMT
Valentia wanted to play with portmagee renard were second choice just think renard left there players down big time Renard really did leave them down which is unfortunate as looking at that underage system coming through I'd put it in the top 4 or 5 in the county as you've fellas that are well used to winning and that mindset would drastically improve that senior team who have consistently underperformed in recent years. However the big guns in renard don't seem to want these young players to progress and are clearly sending signals of intent that they have no interest in them. I know if I was a younger lad and this happened to my club I'd have the transfer papers in the next morning.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Feb 20, 2021 20:12:36 GMT
Renard players should transfer to Valentia. Problems solved 😅
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Post by innyvalleyrambler on Feb 20, 2021 22:18:45 GMT
When Valentia are back to full strength!! You must be off your rocker! Valentia aint coming back - everyone in South Kerry knows Valentia don't have the underage teams they say they have. For the most part of 10 years they have been fielding Under 12 teams with players from all parts of the country on holidays to the island. The last throw of the empire has come Valentia is RIP. Time they saw that and not be brining other clubs down, let your players go to where they want...
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Feb 20, 2021 22:20:00 GMT
Renard have let their young players down so bad that the club should be disbanded and their pitch should be salted. An effigy of killian young should be burned aswell
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Post by clubman on Feb 20, 2021 22:55:06 GMT
You would swear renard were gaining 8 or 9 first teamers. I still couldn't see them beating St Mary's or dromid in the sk championship. Those 2 are still well ahead of the rest. I'd expect a bedding in period for this new team and it may be 2 or 3 years before they gel and compete
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Feb 20, 2021 23:43:14 GMT
Valentia wanted to play with portmagee renard were second choice just think renard left there players down big time Renard really did leave them down which is unfortunate as looking at that underage system coming through I'd put it in the top 4 or 5 in the county as you've fellas that are well used to winning and that mindset would drastically improve that senior team who have consistently underperformed in recent years. However the big guns in renard don't seem to want these young players to progress and are clearly sending signals of intent that they have no interest in them. I know if I was a younger lad and this happened to my club I'd have the transfer papers in the next morning. Is Renard’s underage really that good? What years/age groups would they have had that played in division one of the county league?
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Post by seangalvin on Feb 21, 2021 0:07:38 GMT
Renard really did leave them down which is unfortunate as looking at that underage system coming through I'd put it in the top 4 or 5 in the county as you've fellas that are well used to winning and that mindset would drastically improve that senior team who have consistently underperformed in recent years. However the big guns in renard don't seem to want these young players to progress and are clearly sending signals of intent that they have no interest in them. I know if I was a younger lad and this happened to my club I'd have the transfer papers in the next morning. Is Renard’s underage really that good? What years/age groups would they have had that played in division one of the county league? They have undoubtedly dominated south kerry underage for the past number of years. I know there was a minor renard teams beating stacks and laune rangers a year or two ago. They also have a number in and around county teams such as Cathal O'Shea, Aodhan O'Neill and a number of others.
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Post by clubman on Feb 21, 2021 1:26:48 GMT
Renard have been strong at underage and have had good numbers for many years now. It hasn't translated to senior level at all. They've been in division 4 for ages now and I don't even remember them making a sk league final in the last 20 years not to mind a championship final. When they rise up to division 2 at least or get near a sk final then I might start to believe they can win trophies. They have a good bit to go yet
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Post by seangalvin on Feb 21, 2021 1:49:51 GMT
Renard have been strong at underage and have had good numbers for many years now. It hasn't translated to senior level at all. They've been in division 4 for ages now and I don't even remember them making a sk league final in the last 20 years not to mind a championship final. When they rise up to division 2 at least or get near a sk final then I might start to believe they can win trophies. They have a good bit to go yet I agree the transition from minor to senior within renard seems to be poor I think that can be blamed on throwing lads into the mix too early. They had numerous minor players playing in that south kerry game v st mary's
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Post by kodie on Feb 21, 2021 11:59:25 GMT
I think the moderator could look into a few of these accounts. They seem to be the same person commenting on it. I dont know any background to this Kenmore did it for few years. So I say fair play to Renard may make them stronger in long run. Forward thinking I believe.
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Post by clubman on Feb 21, 2021 12:56:15 GMT
Did Kilgarvan and Tousist get up and running again? Realistically its hard to see Valentia coming back down the line. The days of big families in rural areas is gone. You dont often see a family with more than 2-3 kids compared to 7 or 8 in times past. Whats happening to Valentia now is sad to see but it will be happening more down the line in sk. Theres already 2 amalgamations before this. Dromid & Waterville have poor numbers and at some stage will most likely come together as a last resort. Back when i was a minor there were no teams joined up, every single team in sk had a team of their own and thats not all that long ago. Rural Ireland is slowly eroding
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Post by mossie on Feb 21, 2021 13:57:11 GMT
Did Kilgarvan and Tousist get up and running again? Realistically its hard to see Valentia coming back down the line. The days of big families in rural areas is gone. You dont often see a family with more than 2-3 kids compared to 7 or 8 in times past. Whats happening to Valentia now is sad to see but it will be happening more down the line in sk. Theres already 2 amalgamations before this. Dromid & Waterville have poor numbers and at some stage will most likely come together as a last resort. Back when i was a minor there were no teams joined up, every single team in sk had a team of their own and thats not all that long ago. Rural Ireland is slowly eroding Kilgarvan are at their strongest in decades in football , didnt field for about 2 years at adult, have a very good team now and decent numbers. strong hurling team too won intermediate in 2018 and 2019 and had entered div 1 of the county hurling league in 2020 but COVID struck They rebounded very well, emigration hit them hard for a spell I asked this before, did Valentia fold for a short period in the 1950s, Mick O'Connell play for Waterville for a period??
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Post by veteran on Feb 21, 2021 15:14:30 GMT
Mossie, you are right when you suggest that Mick O’Connell played with Waterville at one stage . It may have been at the end of the sixties or early seventies. I am not sure of the background. Perhaps he got a transfer to Waterville due to his friendship with Mick O’Dwyer or perhaps the Valentia club folded for a while. Waterville were so strong at the time that they competed in the county championship on their own for a while. If my memory serves me right, they nearly pulled it off, competing in two consecutive finals? I suppose if you had those two boyos playing for you you would give lip to any team. Two incomparable footballers.
I am sure there are some on the forum , particularly from the Deep South , who could enlighten us further. Our old friend Kerrygold could surely help but doesn’t seem to contribute anymore. Hope you are well Kerrygold.
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