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Post by Whosinmidfield on Jan 4, 2021 19:17:45 GMT
Who's likely to replace Kelly now as sub keeper? Eoghan O’Brien of Churchill is probably the most likely being the other keeper on the panel at the moment. Shane Murphy won’t come back to be sub keeper. Whoever is picked to start for the u20 team from Mark Kelliher of Glenflesk and Devon Burns of Na Gaeil will surely be involved as the third keeper for experience. They are two fantastic young keepers with great potential. I find it very hard to pick between them but I think I’ve a preference for Burns although Kelliher being a year older has an advantage in their battles for the coming year. I think they are at least as good as O’Brien even now but might be a bit too young and inexperienced to have involved unexpectedly in a big championship game. Neither started for their divisional sides in the Co Championship because East Kerry and Brendans had two of the Kerry Senior panel’s goalkeepers in Shane Ryan and O’Brien. I don’t think there’s any other keeper good enough to be involved.
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Post by pillar on Jan 4, 2021 19:52:01 GMT
The late Weeshie Forgarty built a fabulous database of kerry players at all grades which is to be found at www.terracetalk.com/kerry-football/Unfortunately nobody has taken this over and continued his work - the last updates are back in 2017. Does anybody know the status/ownership of this database and whether or not it could be continued by the county board, supporters club or other interested party. Seems such a shame to let his work slip into disuse. Just let TCB Chairman or PRO know - they will know best how to channel it so that it is maintained and also kept under control, i.e. it is part of their system, otherwise it could again fall by the way side. May also have a role in Library ref but it needs to the channelled through TCB methinks. Id imagine Radio Kerry might have an input into it with the Terrace Talk branding.
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Post by Premier on Jan 4, 2021 21:43:42 GMT
Who's likely to replace Kelly now as sub keeper? Eoghan O’Brien of Churchill is probably the most likely being the other keeper on the panel at the moment. Shane Murphy won’t come back to be sub keeper. Whoever is picked to start for the u20 team from Mark Kelliher of Glenflesk and Devon Burns of Na Gaeil will surely be involved as the third keeper for experience. They are two fantastic young keepers with great potential. I find it very hard to pick between them but I think I’ve a preference for Burns although Kelliher being a year older has an advantage in their battles for the coming year. I think they are at least as good as O’Brien even now but might be a bit too young and inexperienced to have involved unexpectedly in a big championship game. Neither started for their divisional sides in the Co Championship because East Kerry and Brendans had two of the Kerry Senior panel’s goalkeepers in Shane Ryan and O’Brien. I don’t think there’s any other keeper good enough to be involved. O’Brien is the clear number 2 ahead of the 2 lads at u20, Kelliher is a big man but his kick outs wouldn’t be half as good as O’Brien’s. It’s a shame that Murphy isn’t there to challenge Ryan, he fits more the mould of the modern keeper with kick outs and the flight of them but that ship might have sailed. He is only about 27 though
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Post by mossie on Jan 4, 2021 22:16:43 GMT
Eoghan O’Brien of Churchill is probably the most likely being the other keeper on the panel at the moment. Shane Murphy won’t come back to be sub keeper. Whoever is picked to start for the u20 team from Mark Kelliher of Glenflesk and Devon Burns of Na Gaeil will surely be involved as the third keeper for experience. They are two fantastic young keepers with great potential. I find it very hard to pick between them but I think I’ve a preference for Burns although Kelliher being a year older has an advantage in their battles for the coming year. I think they are at least as good as O’Brien even now but might be a bit too young and inexperienced to have involved unexpectedly in a big championship game. Neither started for their divisional sides in the Co Championship because East Kerry and Brendans had two of the Kerry Senior panel’s goalkeepers in Shane Ryan and O’Brien. I don’t think there’s any other keeper good enough to be involved. O’Brien is the clear number 2 ahead of the 2 lads at u20, Kelliher is a big man but his kick outs wouldn’t be half as good as O’Brien’s. It’s a shame that Murphy isn’t there to challenge Ryan, he fits more the mould of the modern keeper with kick outs and the flight of them but that ship might have sailed. He is only about 27 though wasnt Murphy harshly dropped for a super 8 match? v Monaghan I think O'Brien the pick of the names mentioned above for me outside of Murphy Burns is a superb prospect as a hurling goalkeeper as well
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Post by Ballyfireside on Jan 5, 2021 2:29:30 GMT
Just let TCB Chairman or PRO know - they will know best how to channel it so that it is maintained and also kept under control, i.e. it is part of their system, otherwise it could again fall by the way side. May also have a role in Library ref but it needs to the channelled through TCB methinks. Id imagine Radio Kerry might have an input into it with the Terrace Talk branding. Probably, if it is theirs as opposed to the good man's himself. Last time I met him was in Omagh as he was finishing his pint before heading back south. Tyrone would be mad for his type, they also have a fondness for Cinnéide - not so hot on Spillane though and I have absolutely no idea why - what could he have ever done to upset such easy going folk? Ah sure someone has to stir the pot when we have shag all else to fall out about in the GAA world. Off point I know but I sensed little appetite for new year greetings, ah maybe more in tone with things and we are probably enduring a period of damage limitation, probably the same everywhere, people are definitely stepping up their adherence to guidelines though. News of a friend of a friend who mentioned to a medic in the course of a consultation for something entirely different that he wasn't feeling the best - after a few probing questions apparently the good doc's diagnosis was that anyone feeling great at the moment is more likely to have an issue, I suppose in other words if society is out of kilter then people will be out of kilter. If people feel isolated now just think what rural isolation is like, and that will never reverse. And that I can never see Dublin being split, therein lies probably the greatest challenge the GAA has ever faced. Ah still, we'll get over that once we get this hoor of a virus sorted. BTW how many sleeps to the next game? Where is Tomaisín Annascaul when you need him - someone said he could count up to 100! And hey, the following is a really brilliant article from today's Indo, puts the tallies of families winning Celtic Crosses in order, some real surprises, a January blues tonic though the headline is not entirely apt, and I hope that genetics hoor at TCD who once doubted The Kerry Ingredient philosophy is still tuned in, he might learn something! Dublin's latest All-Ireland sees McCarthys top football's family fortunes
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Post by Galway breeze on Jan 5, 2021 13:49:44 GMT
Tom Parson retired he was a greater player. Will we see a number of players retiring this year? There are changes coming up in the Kerry County Board later this year. On reflection how do people feel this five year term has gone was it successful or is there a feeling of uncertainty as to where things have gone.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Jan 5, 2021 17:29:35 GMT
Tom Parson retired he was a greater player. Will we see a number of players retiring this year? There are changes coming up in the Kerry County Board later this year. On reflection how do people feel this five year term has gone was it successful or is there a feeling of uncertainty as to where things have gone. What Parsons went through doesn't bear thinking about and it looks like even he couldn't get back on terms. If it is TCB's performance you are talking about well you need a score card - looks like Currans was the big win. On Donie issue not so sure but now up to PK to redeem. Fitzy said the rebuild takes time and that they got. I honestly think Kerry football is in a better place than our county team is telling us but then again I am not so close to things, though being too close isn't ideal either. I suppose if it wasn't for Oz we might have bagged a few more Sams and there may never have been a Dublin takeover - who knows?
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Post by Premier on Jan 6, 2021 0:11:16 GMT
Enright retired now too
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Post by john4 on Jan 6, 2021 0:20:42 GMT
Dara Roche has been brought into the squad. Good.
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Post by Premier on Jan 6, 2021 9:11:59 GMT
Dara Roche has been brought into the squad. Good. Is he the only one?
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Post by john4 on Jan 6, 2021 9:42:28 GMT
Dara Roche has been brought into the squad. Good. Is he the only one? Eoghan O'Brien Churchill, is in aswell, "A couple of other prominent Kerry players are currently contemplating their futures at inter-county level". according to the examiner,
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Post by Galway breeze on Jan 6, 2021 10:33:39 GMT
Struggling in defence and midfield and we have two defenders retiring and yet another forward joins the panel not sure if this is helping defending.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Jan 6, 2021 10:48:47 GMT
Eoghan O'Brien Churchill, is in aswell, "A couple of other prominent Kerry players are currently contemplating their futures at inter-county level". according to the examiner, Eoghan O’Brien was involved at the start of last year as well. So Roche and someone mentioned Eddie Horan earlier as well, anyone else brought in and anyone dropped? I personally don’t think Roche is Kerry standard. I’m not too sure what the point of bringing him in is. PK didn’t bring him in last year when he was showing better form than he did last year so what has changed I wonder? Eddie Horan could have potential, more so in the half forward line I would say. Who could they be referring to in the Examiner? Tommy Walsh the most likely to retire. Hopefully David Moran stays on. Could James O’Donoghue be considering calling it a day?
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Post by playitfair on Jan 6, 2021 16:35:22 GMT
Struggling in defence and midfield and we have two defenders retiring and yet another forward joins the panel not sure if this is helping defending. Well, we didn't have that many forwards up in the Park last November.
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Post by greengold35 on Jan 6, 2021 17:23:27 GMT
Eoghan O'Brien Churchill, is in aswell, "A couple of other prominent Kerry players are currently contemplating their futures at inter-county level". according to the examiner, Eoghan O’Brien was involved at the start of last year as well. So Roche and someone mentioned Eddie Horan earlier as well, anyone else brought in and anyone dropped? I personally don’t think Roche is Kerry standard. I’m not too sure what the point of bringing him in is. PK didn’t bring him in last year when he was showing better form than he did last year so what has changed I wonder? Eddie Horan could have potential, more so in the half forward line I would say. Who could they be referring to in the Examiner? Tommy Walsh the most likely to retire. Hopefully David Moran stays on. Could James O’Donoghue be considering calling it a day? I understand that Paul O’Shea has been called up to senior panel also.
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Post by eastwarrior on Jan 6, 2021 19:13:50 GMT
Eoghan O’Brien was involved at the start of last year as well. So Roche and someone mentioned Eddie Horan earlier as well, anyone else brought in and anyone dropped? I personally don’t think Roche is Kerry standard. I’m not too sure what the point of bringing him in is. PK didn’t bring him in last year when he was showing better form than he did last year so what has changed I wonder? Eddie Horan could have potential, more so in the half forward line I would say. Who could they be referring to in the Examiner? Tommy Walsh the most likely to retire. Hopefully David Moran stays on. Could James O’Donoghue be considering calling it a day? I understand that Paul O’Shea has been called up to senior panel also. I would assume Paul would be left play the u20 championship when it comes down too it. A brilliant bright player for the future but can’t see him having an impact on the senior panel this season coming.
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Jan 7, 2021 11:46:25 GMT
Rumours abound that there is another defender thinking of walking away.
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Post by Sam kerry on Jan 7, 2021 17:46:04 GMT
Surprised not to see Donal OSullivan named as a new addition to Kerry , has he been called up already.?
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Jan 7, 2021 19:20:44 GMT
Surprised not to see Donal OSullivan named as a new addition to Kerry , has he been called up already.? No he hasn’t. He has suffered a lot with injuries which kept him out of this year’s u20 campaign and county championship. A call up wouldn’t really be deserved after playing no serious level football since 3 u20 games in 2019. He’s a player I have great time for though and I see a future for him in the Senior Kerry jersey. What he needs to do is make the East Kerry team next year which will be made easier if Spa win the intermediate and have a standout county championship.
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Post by kerryeastcoastusa on Jan 7, 2021 19:38:31 GMT
Surprised not to see Donal OSullivan named as a new addition to Kerry , has he been called up already.? No he hasn’t. He has suffered a lot with injuries which kept him out of this year’s u20 campaign and county championship. A call up wouldn’t really be deserved after playing no serious level football since 3 u20 games in 2019. He’s a player I have great time for though and I see a future for him in the Senior Kerry jersey. What he needs to do is make the East Kerry team next year which will be made easier if Spa win the intermediate and have a standout county championship. [br I believe Donal is Kenmare District. I rate him very highly also but agree very unlucky with injury. Hopefully a full year injury free and next year he will be primed for an active role.
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Post by himself on Jan 7, 2021 19:43:17 GMT
Kenmare district no longer exists. Kilgarvan are now part of East Kerry. My understanding is that he and John Mark Foley were injured this year or they would have been part of the East Kerry panel
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Jan 7, 2021 22:28:09 GMT
Reportedly a total 5 players have been brought. The 4 already discussed as well as Brian Leonard (Castleisland Desmonds). It is obvious Leonard came onto the management’s radar after his performance for St Kierans against East Kerry marking David Clifford. On the night he restricted him to 1-1 and the 2 scores Clifford got were moments of brilliance that no defender could do anything about. He’s worth a look in my opinion. Backs can be harder to judge than forwards at club level so I think it’s good to bring in backs that show some promise that we’d hope could potentially be rough diamonds. Someone please correct me if I’m wrong but I think he’s 23. He never made a minor, u20 or junior panel.
I’m a bit disappointed the management didn’t bring in another back or two or three for a look. Bring them in and see if they could be developed. I’d much prefer that than seeing the likes of Dara Roche being brought in. I can’t understand how Dan O’Donoghue isn’t on the panel. Also Jack McGuire is worth a look.
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Post by kerryeastcoastusa on Jan 7, 2021 23:54:22 GMT
Kenmare district no longer exists. Kilgarvan are now part of East Kerry. My understanding is that he and John Mark Foley were injured this year or they would have been part of the East Kerry panel I didn’t realize that had happened ... by god they were strong enough without adding more clubs to the district.
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Post by pillar on Jan 8, 2021 0:52:14 GMT
Reportedly a total 5 players have been brought. The 4 already discussed as well as Brian Leonard (Castleisland Desmonds). It is obvious Leonard came onto the management’s radar after his performance for St Kierans against East Kerry marking David Clifford. On the night he restricted him to 1-1 and the 2 scores Clifford got were moments of brilliance that no defender could do anything about. He’s worth a look in my opinion. Backs can be harder to judge than forwards at club level so I think it’s good to bring in backs that show some promise that we’d hope could potentially be rough diamonds. Someone please correct me if I’m wrong but I think he’s 23. He never made a minor, u20 or junior panel. I’m a bit disappointed the management didn’t bring in another back or two or three for a look. Bring them in and see if they could be developed. I’d much prefer that than seeing the likes of Dara Roche being brought in. I can’t understand how Dan O’Donoghue isn’t on the panel. Also Jack McGuire is worth a look. If I'm not mistaken Brian Leonard is a son of the late Eugene.A garda based in Castleisland he played inter county for Limerick but passed away sadly playing for the Desmonds in 2001.His father was a tough defender, so hopefully he's a chip off the old block.His sister Aisling was a great defender with the Kerry Ladies Footballers around 2010 to 2016 as well.
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Post by Galway breeze on Jan 8, 2021 9:24:53 GMT
I have noticed people saying that PK has brought in players to have a look at them. If I’m correct there has been a ban on collective sessions for the last four weeks and county training not to resume until 15th jan but now this is push out until February at the least. My question is how can management look at players if they are not playing games? And if they are playing games they need to stop immediately. No management can judge a player on a few weeks training, the player needs time to settle in to the panel and put in a inter county season.
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Post by onlykerry on Jan 8, 2021 9:48:00 GMT
I have noticed people saying that PK has brought in players to have a look at them. If I’m correct there has been a ban on collective sessions for the last four weeks and county training not to resume until 15th jan but now this is push out until February at the least. My question is how can management look at players if they are not playing games? And if they are playing games they need to stop immediately. No management can judge a player on a few weeks training, the player needs time to settle in to the panel and put in a inter county season. When people say a lad has been brought in they probably mean the lad is "in the fold" and has been given a strength and conditioning plan along with being part of the group chat. Collective training (in person) is not a feauture of the squad development at this time but that does not stop prospects from being developed with programs and online sessions.
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Post by hurlingman on Jan 8, 2021 10:02:37 GMT
Rumours abound that there is another defender thinking of walking away. You'd think there will be at least one of Tommy Walsh, David Moran, JOD will call it a day as well
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Post by kot on Jan 8, 2021 10:29:15 GMT
Tom Parson retired he was a greater player. Will we see a number of players retiring this year? There are changes coming up in the Kerry County Board later this year. On reflection how do people feel this five year term has gone was it successful or is there a feeling of uncertainty as to where things have gone. What Parsons went through doesn't bear thinking about and it looks like even he couldn't get back on terms. If it is TCB's performance you are talking about well you need a score card - looks like Currans was the big win. On Donie issue not so sure but now up to PK to redeem. Fitzy said the rebuild takes time and that they got. I honestly think Kerry football is in a better place than our county team is telling us but then again I am not so close to things, though being too close isn't ideal either. I suppose if it wasn't for Oz we might have bagged a few more Sams and there may never have been a Dublin takeover - who knows? Currans was a big win but for the last county board. That's a bit like giving David Moyes credit for United's success in 2013 For me they haven't maximised the potential of the work by the development squads and fantastic minor teams we have. They seem a bit all over the place from the outside looking in. The 2012 Dublin minor team by 2017 had contributed in winning 4 all Irelands. The best of the 2014 Kerry minor team by 2019 had only appeared in one despite being supplemented by 4 more minor winning teams. No U20 / U21 team success. No strategy to stop the likes of Mark O'Shea from leaving the way the Dubs have shielded themselves. Although I guess it goes back to the old addage of full time CEOs and professionals in roles that comes with lopsided funding. We have guys who are in the top roles but on a part time basis. This regime is a poor imitation of the last one. And before you ask, I am definitely NOT a Crokes man!
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Post by Galway breeze on Jan 8, 2021 11:24:44 GMT
Onlykerry, maybe I’m not in tune with today’s football but assessment and selection of players from a gym program and home does not make sense. IMO players can only demonstrate their football games sense and skills playing the game. No gym program or home based fitness can provide the information a selector needs to bring a player onto a inter county panel. From the outside looking in I hope it’s not the same program that has been delivered over the last seven years as players look totally unconditioned for inter county football, some club players are looking more conditioned. Hopefully I don’t sound harsh.
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Post by john4 on Jan 8, 2021 13:52:34 GMT
Onlykerry, maybe I’m not in tune with today’s football but assessment and selection of players from a gym program and home does not make sense. IMO players can only demonstrate their football games sense and skills playing the game. No gym program or home based fitness can provide the information a selector needs to bring a player onto a inter county panel. From the outside looking in I hope it’s not the same program that has been delivered over the last seven years as players look totally unconditioned for inter county football, some club players are looking more conditioned. Hopefully I don’t sound harsh. Every other year the county championship would be ran off after the inter-county has ended and new players who might perform well at county championship level would be considered as capable of competing at a higher level would be brought in. This year and last season have been extraordinarily different and new players are being brought in (I'm assuming) based on their strengths overall during last year. I don't know Dara Roche from Adam, but I think he's got the game for this, I hope he gets an opportunity to play.
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