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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jan 1, 2021 4:07:59 GMT
I think the game is tinkered with far too often. I think the forward mark is an example of that. By the time it was brought in the game had largely moved on from the (losing) blanket.
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Post by onlykerry on Jan 1, 2021 11:50:40 GMT
All sports have issues with the evolution of their game particularly with the more professionalism being adopted. Looking at how other sports deal with the issues they encounter is not a bad thing, adopting them blindly is. Some in rugby are questioning the number of subs and this is yet another area where GAA could have a look. We all know Dublin have a massive panel and that the subs bench plays a large role in their energy in the last 10-15 minutes of a game. It is no longer a 15 v 15 game as we have heard it said - counties need a panel of 26 to win the AI and the subs bench needs to have game winners on it. This also allows fresh players to be introduced late in a game in key positions. If the GAA wants to level the playing field and make competitions competitive they need to look at how to limit certain advantages - neutral venues, mitigating population advantages, even allocation of central funding, neutral referees (perceived and real) - these are the things that need to be corrected before any thought to splitting or otherwise tampering with the traditional boundaries.
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Post by kerryeastcoastusa on Jan 1, 2021 13:41:45 GMT
I think the game is tinkered with far too often. I think the forward mark is an example of that. By the time it was brought in the game had largely moved on from the (losing) blanket. I think the GAA really need to sit down and think long and hard about what they want from Gaelic football as a spectacle. I would consider myself a huge football fan however watched more club games this year than inter county because I found the club games more enjoyable. Over coached Possession based football for a neutral is boring as a spectacle. It’s hugely impressive that the players are able to implement such high levels of skill and football intelligence but as entertainment I feel it is losing all appeal. The GAA needs to create an environment geared more towards core skills than athletes in my opinion. It’s very difficult to implement rule change to bring about this as there seems to be unintended consequences associated with a lot of the well meaning changes ( forward mark being one - everyone loves long kick-passing into the full forward line but really we got non risky high percentage chips into the rest of the forward and the a free shot at goal. Having said that I would like to propose two items for consideration and put forward the argument for each 1. Change the 4 step rule to 3 second - you need to make a play (hop, solo after 3 seconds in possession. I think this would be easier for the ref to manage and also give the defender more clarity on when to make the tackle on the ball. It would also help the smaller nippier defenders as all too often now big strong footballers are waiting for defenders to make a move before bursting past them and then taking the hop or solo. And most importantly of all this needs to be fully implemented by the refs something that isn’t with the 4 step rule currently 2. Define and implement the tackle once and for all. No pulling of the hand/arm, no light tugging of the jersey, it needs to be open hand on the ball. Making the player in possession make a play every 3 secs would help this. You get your opportunity when the ball is being played. One more radical item to consider would also be to really rule out blanket defenses ( I know they don’t really seem to be in favor currently) but we still get teams putting a lot of players behind the ball (Kerry included) leading to boring over and back which the pundits refer to as probing. Implement a rule where each teams needs to maintain a minimum 4 players(excluding goalie) in each half of the field at all times. Allow a 10 second grace period or transition time whereby team maybe have less if a player momentarily sprints into the other half to collect the ball or follows the play.. minor breaches of this rule are not game changing in any way but it would prevent teams setting up basketball style on their own 45 to block out space and prevent scoring opportunities. Again this might seem difficult to monitor for the referee but I would argue the linesman should manage this and again minor breaches are not on issue hence the transition/grace period of 10 secs. It is more designed to prevent systematic blanket defense setup. The penalty for breaching would be a free on the 21 in front of the goals.
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Post by colinsworth1 on Jan 1, 2021 17:38:53 GMT
I think the first two ideas have merit But the third one about maintaining 4 players on each side of the half way seems too much rule change too much manipulation and too difficult to enforce for linesmen and. for referees .
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Post by colinsworth1 on Jan 3, 2021 1:34:34 GMT
I’m not yet looking for Dublin to split as I still think they are beatable and others need to step up and become more organized Now within Leinster there. Is a problem and say after 15 years of winning. Leinster titles then what some thing has to be done re the Leinster championship
They need to come out of croke park more often. And play in the provincial pitches around the country when appropriate To play the super running stretch the field game then they need the big pitch and the home crow help too
But above all we need refs that Are not afraid to make the big calls when merited In 2016 when late in the game Peter Crowley was knocked out Kevin Mc Mcmenamin in a blindside charge that. Did not even get a free this was a game changer No free given Fitzsimmons Takes out Lee Keegan in the recent AI another no call. Surely worth a free in or possibly a card red or yellow Donaghy fouled by Rory Carroll in the square clearly and graphically shown by the examiner the following day after a perfectly floated super ball by Paul Galvin Again no call. I’m sure many here can list a good few more late late no calls. That would have possibly given a different result in finals and semi finals The over the top fouls continue at critical times in defense why ? Because they get away with it there is no sanction It’s not sour grapes its.a fact that keeps happening it just makes the country’s best team even harder to beat .
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Post by skybluezone on Jan 4, 2021 14:59:11 GMT
I’m not yet looking for Dublin to split as I still think they are beatable and others need to step up and become more organized Now within Leinster there. Is a problem and say after 15 years of winning. Leinster titles then what some thing has to be done re the Leinster championship They need to come out of croke park more often. And play in the provincial pitches around the country when appropriate To play the super running stretch the field game then they need the big pitch and the home crow help too But above all we need refs that Are not afraid to make the big calls when merited In 2016 when late in the game Peter Crowley was knocked out Kevin Mc Mcmenamin in a blindside charge that. Did not even get a free this was a game changer No free given Fitzsimmons Takes out Lee Keegan in the recent AI another no call. Surely worth a free in or possibly a card red or yellow Donaghy fouled by Rory Carroll in the square clearly and graphically shown by the examiner the following day after a perfectly floated super ball by Paul Galvin Again no call. I’m sure many here can list a good few more late late no calls. That would have possibly given a different result in finals and semi finals The over the top fouls continue at critical times in defense why ? Because they get away with it there is no sanction It’s not sour grapes its.a fact that keeps happening it just makes the country’s best team even harder to beat . Just to pick up on a couple of your points above. On Leinster being uncompetitive, I agree. But do you think Kerry would do the same in Leinster as Dublin are currently doing? To my mind they would. In 2015, Kerry beat Kildare (then Leinster's 2nd best team) by a score of 7.16 to 10 points if memory serves. Incredible, In an All Ireland 1/4 final. That's a 27 point beating. So, what's the real issue here. The Dublin beast or the ineptitude of Kildare and Meath? Incidentally, Meath beat Wicklow by 28 less than 2 months ago in Leinster. Make of that what you will in terms of the big picture. God knows what Wicklow think. But I don't remember Andy McEntee referencing it on The Sunday Game. Is Munster uncompetitive? Traditionally it has been the least competitive of all. Will be interesting to see the power of money now that Mike Ashley is on board. On the Croke Park thing, agree, even for optics it would be better for Dublin to come out of Croker. Not sure it will make a pile of difference, but can see your point. As it stands Dublin usually play Leinster QF out of Dublin, Leinster semi at home (Croke Park) and Leinster final is always in CP, as it should be. In Super 8 scenario, it would help if Dublin didn't play 2 games in CP. But I would prefer if Dublin CB dug their heels in and said ok we are playing our home match in Parnell and our neutral game in CP, same as everyone else. Would be some craic if Mayo were the away team trying to fit all their fans into Parnell. Not to mention the loss of revenue. But you reap what you sow. On referee decisions. Crowley v McManaman shoulder was difficult to call without the benefit of a replay. So to think it was overlooked deliberately is a stretch. I was in the upper Davin and thought it was a great legitimate hit. So did most in real time. On Keegan v Mick Fitz, I watched that on telly, and again thought what a great hit. On the replay it was obvious that Mick didn't catch him squarely, so yes free in and possibly a yellow, despite there being no ill intent. But to listen to some calling for a straight red is bonkers. Donaghy v O'Carroll has been a war zone for a number of games and trying to tell who the original offender is on any tussle is a minefield. Kieran is no back number when it comes to the dark arts you'll agree? As an aside, he's really growing into the analysis role on Sky. I like him, never thought I'd say that! I note you didn't reference the most controversial call of all in the recent final. McDaid black card. He stood his ground and McLoughlin knew exactly what he was doing by running straight at him. At HT analysis, Tomas (who in fairness gave Dublin a fair shake until recently) was actually saying that it was a black, and then tied himself up in knots trying to justify why it was a black. Oisin McConville eventually called Tomas out and said it wasn't a black, that McDaid was entitled to stand his ground. Tomas then mumbled something and looked v sheepish. Even the half time thing, when Philly got a dig in the back of the head from O'Shea, and was pinned by Higgins, was laughed off as Mayo standing up to Dublin. Boot on other foot, there would have been a right furore if it was Philly doing the digging. Agree? So the point is that as fans we all have moments that we look back on and say oh we were robbed etc etc. I had it myself last year when I wondered how in the name of God did O'Sullivan stay on the pitch, especially after what Cooper was sent off for. Gough was on the spot, he knew it, only thing I can think of was he bottled it because of all the pressure from Kerry before the game about Gough belonging to a Dublin club etc. As a Kerryman you surely held your breath thinking that O'Sullivan is a goner here? In fact the only time in modern history that I thought a ref deliberately set out to screw a team (Aldridge in '78 is too long ago to count) was Conor Lane in last years replay. Not a scoreable free for Dublin in 70 mins. Think about that. Just one example was Kilkenny being dragged and everyone stopped and waited for the free. Lane waved play on and resulted in a score to Kerry. I think Clifford also elbowed or hit Murchan with a forearm to the face in the build to that Kerry point as well. Again overlooked. Anyway, I'm not sure your conspiracy theory holds up re refs decisions. You win some, you lose some.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jan 4, 2021 15:29:12 GMT
Why should Leinster Final always be at GAA HQ?
I think Dublin CB could do worse than a bit of PR via looking to have games at PP.
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Post by skybluezone on Jan 4, 2021 21:35:21 GMT
Why should Leinster Final always be at GAA HQ? I think Dublin CB could do worse than a bit of PR via looking to have games at PP. On the basis that it's the most suitable stadium in Leinster from a travel and accommodation of supporters perspective. It's not long ago that Meath and Kildare always relished an opportunity to play there. If Dublin weren't as good as they are now all counties in Leinster would be clamouring to play there.
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Post by colinsworth1 on Jan 5, 2021 2:47:19 GMT
I’m not yet looking for Dublin to split as I still think they are beatable and others need to step up and become more organized Now within Leinster there. Is a problem and say after 15 years of winning. Leinster titles then what some thing has to be done re the Leinster championship They need to come out of croke park more often. And play in the provincial pitches around the country when appropriate To play the super running stretch the field game then they need the big pitch and the home crow help too But above all we need refs that Are not afraid to make the big calls when merited In 2016 when late in the game Peter Crowley was knocked out Kevin Mc Mcmenamin in a blindside charge that. Did not even get a free this was a game changer No free given Fitzsimmons Takes out Lee Keegan in the recent AI another no call. Surely worth a free in or possibly a card red or yellow Donaghy fouled by Rory Carroll in the square clearly and graphically shown by the examiner the following day after a perfectly floated super ball by Paul Galvin Again no call. I’m sure many here can list a good few more late late no calls. That would have possibly given a different result in finals and semi finals The over the top fouls continue at critical times in defense why ? Because they get away with it there is no sanction It’s not sour grapes its.a fact that keeps happening it just makes the country’s best team even harder to beat . Just to pick up on a couple of your points above. On Leinster being uncompetitive, I agree. But do you think Kerry would do the same in Leinster as Dublin are currently doing? To my mind they would. In 2015, Kerry beat Kildare (then Leinster's 2nd best team) by a score of 7.16 to 10 points if memory serves. Incredible, In an All Ireland 1/4 final. That's a 27 point beating. So, what's the real issue here. The Dublin beast or the ineptitude of Kildare and Meath? Incidentally, Meath beat Wicklow by 28 less than 2 months ago in Leinster. Make of that what you will in terms of the big picture. God knows what Wicklow think. But I don't remember Andy McEntee referencing it on The Sunday Game. Is Munster uncompetitive? Traditionally it has been the least competitive of all. Will be interesting to see the power of money now that Mike Ashley is on board. On the Croke Park thing, agree, even for optics it would be better for Dublin to come out of Croker. Not sure it will make a pile of difference, but can see your point. As it stands Dublin usually play Leinster QF out of Dublin, Leinster semi at home (Croke Park) and Leinster final is always in CP, as it should be. In Super 8 scenario, it would help if Dublin didn't play 2 games in CP. But I would prefer if Dublin CB dug their heels in and said ok we are playing our home match in Parnell and our neutral game in CP, same as everyone else. Would be some craic if Mayo were the away team trying to fit all their fans into Parnell. Not to mention the loss of revenue. But you reap what you sow. On referee decisions. Crowley v McManaman shoulder was difficult to call without the benefit of a replay. So to think it was overlooked deliberately is a stretch. I was in the upper Davin and thought it was a great legitimate hit. So did most in real time. On Keegan v Mick Fitz, I watched that on telly, and again thought what a great hit. On the replay it was obvious that Mick didn't catch him squarely, so yes free in and possibly a yellow, despite there being no ill intent. But to listen to some calling for a straight red is bonkers. Donaghy v O'Carroll has been a war zone for a number of games and trying to tell who the original offender is on any tussle is a minefield. Kieran is no back number when it comes to the dark arts you'll agree? As an aside, he's really growing into the analysis role on Sky. I like him, never thought I'd say that! I note you didn't reference the most controversial call of all in the recent final. McDaid black card. He stood his ground and McLoughlin knew exactly what he was doing by running straight at him. At HT analysis, Tomas (who in fairness gave Dublin a fair shake until recently) was actually saying that it was a black, and then tied himself up in knots trying to justify why it was a black. Oisin McConville eventually called Tomas out and said it wasn't a black, that McDaid was entitled to stand his ground. Tomas then mumbled something and looked v sheepish. Even the half time thing, when Philly got a dig in the back of the head from O'Shea, and was pinned by Higgins, was laughed off as Mayo standing up to Dublin. Boot on other foot, there would have been a right furore if it was Philly doing the digging. Agree? So the point is that as fans we all have moments that we look back on and say oh we were robbed etc etc. I had it myself last year when I wondered how in the name of God did O'Sullivan stay on the pitch, especially after what Cooper was sent off for. Gough was on the spot, he knew it, only thing I can think of was he bottled it because of all the pressure from Kerry before the game about Gough belonging to a Dublin club etc. As a Kerryman you surely held your breath thinking that O'Sullivan is a goner here? In fact the only time in modern history that I thought a ref deliberately set out to screw a team (Aldridge in '78 is too long ago to count) was Conor Lane in last years replay. Not a scoreable free for Dublin in 70 mins. Think about that. Just one example was Kilkenny being dragged and everyone stopped and waited for the free. Lane waved play on and resulted in a score to Kerry. I think Clifford also elbowed or hit Murchan with a forearm to the face in the build to that Kerry point as well. Again overlooked. Anyway, I'm not sure your conspiracy theory holds up re refs decisions. You win some, you lose some. [/ Conspiracy theories? I mentioned The Concussion inducing hit on Peter Crowley’s head The frontal hit on Lee Keegan The in the Square no call on Rory Carroll drag down on Donaghy I never mentioned Phillys eye Gouge Or the assault on Mickey Ned I’m sure there a lot more examples by other posters here recent late fouls not penalized or penalized properly But if you’d rather consider them as conspiracy theories that are not factual that ok you are fully entitled to live in your own alternative reality . Happy New Year
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jan 5, 2021 8:05:02 GMT
Why should Leinster Final always be at GAA HQ? I think Dublin CB could do worse than a bit of PR via looking to have games at PP. On the basis that it's the most suitable stadium in Leinster from a travel and accommodation of supporters perspective. Maybe the most convenient for the Dubs. Hardly the most convenient for, say, Laois. How come Munster and Connacht don't seem to have to play their finals in the "convenient" stadium? The only reason I can see to play a LF in CP is to boost GAA coffers for investment in the game. Or maybe boost Leinster Council coffers for whatever they do with the money. But I wonder to what extent that is true when there were 41K at the last Leinster Final - still a big crowd... but on sporting need I don't accept that the LF should always be at CP.
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Post by skybluezone on Jan 5, 2021 9:23:20 GMT
On the basis that it's the most suitable stadium in Leinster from a travel and accommodation of supporters perspective. Maybe the most convenient for the Dubs. Hardly the most convenient for, say, Laois. How come Munster and Connacht don't seem to have to play their finals in the "convenient" stadium? The only reason I can see to play a LF in CP is to boost GAA coffers for investment in the game. Or maybe boost Leinster Council coffers for whatever they do with the money. But I wonder to what extent that is true when there were 41K at the last Leinster Final - still a big crowd... but on sporting need I don't accept that the LF should always be at CP. Well the Munster hurling final was played in Semple every year for 130+ years and nobody seemed to have an issue, whether Tipp were playing or not. In fact it was commonly regarded as one of the great days in Irish sport. I presume it was held there because of biggest and best stadium, best pitch, ease of access etc? A bit like Croke Park. To be fair, Munster now has a couple of stadia that could justifiably claim to compete with Semple.I don't think anywhere in Leinster could compete with CP. I also don't believe any stadium in Leinster bar CP could compete with the top 3 or 4 arenas in Munster. Also unsure that any other stadium in Leinster could accommodate 41k crowd, but we are on the road to locking supporters out anyway once Dublin declare Parnell as their home ground. Portlaoise is 50 mins away from Dublin City centre so hardly a major inconvenience. Listen we are going down a rabbit hole here and if it makes everyone feel better then take the Leinster final out of CP too. We'll just use it for All Irelands and concerts. Interesting that the only thing you picked up on in my post was the home of the Leinster final.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jan 5, 2021 10:30:10 GMT
Maybe the most convenient for the Dubs. Hardly the most convenient for, say, Laois. How come Munster and Connacht don't seem to have to play their finals in the "convenient" stadium? The only reason I can see to play a LF in CP is to boost GAA coffers for investment in the game. Or maybe boost Leinster Council coffers for whatever they do with the money. But I wonder to what extent that is true when there were 41K at the last Leinster Final - still a big crowd... but on sporting need I don't accept that the LF should always be at CP. Well the Munster hurling final was played in Semple every year for 130+ years and nobody seemed to have an issue, whether Tipp were playing or not. In fact it was commonly regarded as one of the great days in Irish sport. I presume it was held there because of biggest and best stadium, best pitch, ease of access etc? A bit like Croke Park. To be fair, Munster now has a couple of stadia that could justifiably claim to compete with Semple.I don't think anywhere in Leinster could compete with CP. I also don't believe any stadium in Leinster bar CP could compete with the top 3 or 4 arenas in Munster. Also unsure that any other stadium in Leinster could accommodate 41k crowd, but we are on the road to locking supporters out anyway once Dublin declare Parnell as their home ground. Portlaoise is 50 mins away from Dublin City centre so hardly a major inconvenience. Listen we are going down a rabbit hole here and if it makes everyone feel better then take the Leinster final out of CP too. We'll just use it for All Irelands and concerts. Interesting that the only thing you picked up on in my post was the home of the Leinster final. I don't have to comment on everything in a post to comment on a post. You are dead right on grounds in Leinster actually. Pitiful options for larger crowds.
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Post by clarinman on Jan 5, 2021 11:44:17 GMT
Maybe the most convenient for the Dubs. Hardly the most convenient for, say, Laois. How come Munster and Connacht don't seem to have to play their finals in the "convenient" stadium? The only reason I can see to play a LF in CP is to boost GAA coffers for investment in the game. Or maybe boost Leinster Council coffers for whatever they do with the money. But I wonder to what extent that is true when there were 41K at the last Leinster Final - still a big crowd... but on sporting need I don't accept that the LF should always be at CP. Well the Munster hurling final was played in Semple every year for 130+ years and nobody seemed to have an issue, whether Tipp were playing or not. In fact it was commonly regarded as one of the great days in Irish sport. I presume it was held there because of biggest and best stadium, best pitch, ease of access etc? A bit like Croke Park. To be fair, Munster now has a couple of stadia that could justifiably claim to compete with Semple.I don't think anywhere in Leinster could compete with CP. I also don't believe any stadium in Leinster bar CP could compete with the top 3 or 4 arenas in Munster. Also unsure that any other stadium in Leinster could accommodate 41k crowd, but we are on the road to locking supporters out anyway once Dublin declare Parnell as their home ground. Portlaoise is 50 mins away from Dublin City centre so hardly a major inconvenience. Listen we are going down a rabbit hole here and if it makes everyone feel better then take the Leinster final out of CP too. We'll just use it for All Irelands and concerts. Interesting that the only thing you picked up on in my post was the home of the Leinster final. That is not true. The venue for the Munster hurling final changes depending on the two participants. Tipperary, Cork and Limerick have reciprocal arrangements with the venue alternating every time two of those teams meet. A neutral venue is chosen if Clare or Waterford make the final. There have been exceptions like the 1987 Tipperary Cork final and replay being played in Killarney.
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Post by onlykerry on Jan 5, 2021 12:04:07 GMT
For the record - since 2001 venue of Munster Hurling Final Semple Stadium - 11 (including one replay) Pairc Ui Chaoimh - 6 (unavailable due to renovations some years) Gaelic Grounds - 4 Fitgerald Stadium hosted Hurling finals occassionaly before that and you have to go way back to the 1930's for a final outside of these four venues. In the past 110 years Thurles (only Semple Stadium since 1972) has hosted about 50 finals including replays. Gaelic Grounds in Limerick hosted 10 finals in a row from 1961 to 1970.
The fact Munster has more decent stadia helps the spreading out of games.
The lack of decent alternatives in Leinster is a pity and is perhaps another indicator of the Dublin centric mentality in the GAA.
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Post by skybluezone on Jan 5, 2021 14:11:23 GMT
Just to pick up on a couple of your points above. On Leinster being uncompetitive, I agree. But do you think Kerry would do the same in Leinster as Dublin are currently doing? To my mind they would. In 2015, Kerry beat Kildare (then Leinster's 2nd best team) by a score of 7.16 to 10 points if memory serves. Incredible, In an All Ireland 1/4 final. That's a 27 point beating. So, what's the real issue here. The Dublin beast or the ineptitude of Kildare and Meath? Incidentally, Meath beat Wicklow by 28 less than 2 months ago in Leinster. Make of that what you will in terms of the big picture. God knows what Wicklow think. But I don't remember Andy McEntee referencing it on The Sunday Game. Is Munster uncompetitive? Traditionally it has been the least competitive of all. Will be interesting to see the power of money now that Mike Ashley is on board. On the Croke Park thing, agree, even for optics it would be better for Dublin to come out of Croker. Not sure it will make a pile of difference, but can see your point. As it stands Dublin usually play Leinster QF out of Dublin, Leinster semi at home (Croke Park) and Leinster final is always in CP, as it should be. In Super 8 scenario, it would help if Dublin didn't play 2 games in CP. But I would prefer if Dublin CB dug their heels in and said ok we are playing our home match in Parnell and our neutral game in CP, same as everyone else. Would be some craic if Mayo were the away team trying to fit all their fans into Parnell. Not to mention the loss of revenue. But you reap what you sow. On referee decisions. Crowley v McManaman shoulder was difficult to call without the benefit of a replay. So to think it was overlooked deliberately is a stretch. I was in the upper Davin and thought it was a great legitimate hit. So did most in real time. On Keegan v Mick Fitz, I watched that on telly, and again thought what a great hit. On the replay it was obvious that Mick didn't catch him squarely, so yes free in and possibly a yellow, despite there being no ill intent. But to listen to some calling for a straight red is bonkers. Donaghy v O'Carroll has been a war zone for a number of games and trying to tell who the original offender is on any tussle is a minefield. Kieran is no back number when it comes to the dark arts you'll agree? As an aside, he's really growing into the analysis role on Sky. I like him, never thought I'd say that! I note you didn't reference the most controversial call of all in the recent final. McDaid black card. He stood his ground and McLoughlin knew exactly what he was doing by running straight at him. At HT analysis, Tomas (who in fairness gave Dublin a fair shake until recently) was actually saying that it was a black, and then tied himself up in knots trying to justify why it was a black. Oisin McConville eventually called Tomas out and said it wasn't a black, that McDaid was entitled to stand his ground. Tomas then mumbled something and looked v sheepish. Even the half time thing, when Philly got a dig in the back of the head from O'Shea, and was pinned by Higgins, was laughed off as Mayo standing up to Dublin. Boot on other foot, there would have been a right furore if it was Philly doing the digging. Agree? So the point is that as fans we all have moments that we look back on and say oh we were robbed etc etc. I had it myself last year when I wondered how in the name of God did O'Sullivan stay on the pitch, especially after what Cooper was sent off for. Gough was on the spot, he knew it, only thing I can think of was he bottled it because of all the pressure from Kerry before the game about Gough belonging to a Dublin club etc. As a Kerryman you surely held your breath thinking that O'Sullivan is a goner here? In fact the only time in modern history that I thought a ref deliberately set out to screw a team (Aldridge in '78 is too long ago to count) was Conor Lane in last years replay. Not a scoreable free for Dublin in 70 mins. Think about that. Just one example was Kilkenny being dragged and everyone stopped and waited for the free. Lane waved play on and resulted in a score to Kerry. I think Clifford also elbowed or hit Murchan with a forearm to the face in the build to that Kerry point as well. Again overlooked. Anyway, I'm not sure your conspiracy theory holds up re refs decisions. You win some, you lose some. [/ Conspiracy theories? I mentioned The Concussion inducing hit on Peter Crowley’s head The frontal hit on Lee Keegan The in the Square no call on Rory Carroll drag down on Donaghy I never mentioned Phillys eye Gouge Or the assault on Mickey Ned I’m sure there a lot more examples by other posters here recent late fouls not penalized or penalized properly But if you’d rather consider them as conspiracy theories that are not factual that ok you are fully entitled to live in your own alternative reality . Happy New Year You paint a picture where all decisions go for Dublin, whether it be Mayo or Kerry they are playing. And refs are not strong enough to award frees against Dublin. Agreed? Which to me is veering into conspiracy theory land. The point of my reply was to show instances in the recent past where Kerry got the rub of the green in refereeing decisions. I think you need to rethink your idea of alternative reality. And a Happy New Year to you and yours.
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Post by skybluezone on Jan 5, 2021 14:17:21 GMT
For the record - since 2001 venue of Munster Hurling Final Semple Stadium - 11 (including one replay) Pairc Ui Chaoimh - 6 (unavailable due to renovations some years) Gaelic Grounds - 4 Fitgerald Stadium hosted Hurling finals occassionaly before that and you have to go way back to the 1930's for a final outside of these four venues. In the past 110 years Thurles (only Semple Stadium since 1972) has hosted about 50 finals including replays. Gaelic Grounds in Limerick hosted 10 finals in a row from 1961 to 1970. The fact Munster has more decent stadia helps the spreading out of games. The lack of decent alternatives in Leinster is a pity and is perhaps another indicator of the Dublin centric mentality in the GAA. Thanks for this. Nice to get the facts. Certainly when I was growing up it was always Semple. I have a feeling the venue is moved around now since 2018 due to the round robin format in Munster. Which isn't a bad thing I suppose. Semple hosting 50 finals since 1972 confirms my point that nobody seriously had a problem with it being held in Semple even when Tipp are involved, which was a lot.
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Post by onlykerry on Jan 5, 2021 14:29:05 GMT
For the record - since 2001 venue of Munster Hurling Final Semple Stadium - 11 (including one replay) Pairc Ui Chaoimh - 6 (unavailable due to renovations some years) Gaelic Grounds - 4 Fitgerald Stadium hosted Hurling finals occassionaly before that and you have to go way back to the 1930's for a final outside of these four venues. In the past 110 years Thurles (only Semple Stadium since 1972) has hosted about 50 finals including replays. Gaelic Grounds in Limerick hosted 10 finals in a row from 1961 to 1970. The fact Munster has more decent stadia helps the spreading out of games. The lack of decent alternatives in Leinster is a pity and is perhaps another indicator of the Dublin centric mentality in the GAA. Thanks for this. Nice to get the facts. Certainly when I was growing up it was always Semple. I have a feeling the venue is moved around now since 2018 due to the round robin format in Munster. Which isn't a bad thing I suppose. Semple hosting 50 finals since 1972 confirms my point that nobody seriously had a problem with it being held in Semple even when Tipp are involved, which was a lot. Please re-read my comment - Stadium only called Semple since 1972. Thurles venue has hosted Munster Final about 50 times in past 110 years - less than 50% of the finals played in Thurles.
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Post by skybluezone on Jan 6, 2021 0:13:38 GMT
Thanks for this. Nice to get the facts. Certainly when I was growing up it was always Semple. I have a feeling the venue is moved around now since 2018 due to the round robin format in Munster. Which isn't a bad thing I suppose. Semple hosting 50 finals since 1972 confirms my point that nobody seriously had a problem with it being held in Semple even when Tipp are involved, which was a lot. Please re-read my comment - Stadium only called Semple since 1972. Thurles venue has hosted Munster Final about 50 times in past 110 years - less than 50% of the finals played in Thurles. Apologies my mistake.
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