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Post by colinsworth1 on Dec 21, 2020 0:55:57 GMT
All i want for Christmas is a footballing midfield pair for Kerry For too long Fenton and McCarthy have had little or no defending to do ,yesterday you saw in the first half where Fenton and Mc Carthy were asked to track back that’s a rarity and they struggled with this novelty Only Problem is Rouane and Loftus could not score and both got tired in second half. Love to see Fenton and Mc Carthy having to run back and defend.
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Post by veteran on Dec 21, 2020 11:17:10 GMT
Ah come on now Bally , you keep on beating this drum that the manager should have a senior medal in his pocket. Not so long ago I gave you Dr. Eamon O’Sullivan , Jack O’Connor , Pat O’Shea, Further afield you have Eugene McGee, Mickey Harte , Sean Boylan, John O’Mahony . Very likely there are others that elude me now. In hurling you have Fr. O’Brien in Cork, Fr. Maher in Kilkenny, I forget the name of the hotelier who managed Wexford to win their last All-Ireland, Michael Bond , Cyril Farrell etc etc.
Time to change your tune Bally!
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Post by veteran on Dec 21, 2020 11:45:20 GMT
Some contributors here are correctly saying we need to unearth talent. You can never have too many fresh faces who are talented enough for inter county fare.
In this context , I am baffled about one player in particular , Paudie Clifford. In my opinion, when you consider his consistently outstanding displays over the past two county championship campaigns, in addition to his displays in the junior All-Ireland in 2019 , he was a stand out candidate for serious consideration for the senior team. Indeed , the evidence seemed to be he a was a natural fit for the modern , indefatigable half forward line. Yet , as far as we know , he only got a few minutes at the end of a few competitive games.
Contrast Paudie to Ronan Buckley for example. Without shooting out the lights , Ronan did reasonably well with his couple of opportunities , and showed promise of more to come. but on the evidence of the past two local campaigns I felt Paudie was well ahead of him. So, my question is how did Ronan and indeed others, e.g. Brian O’Beaglaigh, leapfrog Paudie for a place in the half forward line?
It maybe that Paudie is not good enough for this level of competition but how was this conclusion arrived at? What was seen in training? Perhaps there were challenge games about which we are not aware? I acknowledge the importance of the form shown in training but should it supersede , for example , displays in the competitive environment of the county championship which historically has been the breeding ground for prospective Kerry seniors ? It is one thing rooting up trees in Currans but a different animal might be needed in the unforgiving cauldron of inter county matches.
Peter , if you are reading this please come in!
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Post by Ballyfireside on Dec 21, 2020 15:41:24 GMT
Ah come on now Bally , you keep on beating this drum that the manager should have a senior medal in his pocket. Not so long ago I gave you Dr. Eamon O’Sullivan , Jack O’Connor , Pat O’Shea, Further afield you have Eugene McGee, Mickey Harte , Sean Boylan, John O’Mahony . Very likely there are others that elude me now. In hurling you have Fr. O’Brien in Cork, Fr. Maher in Kilkenny, I forget the name of the hotelier who managed Wexford to win their last All-Ireland, Michael Bond , Cyril Farrell etc etc. Time to change your tune Bally! Your list has notable names for and against the argument and while it isn't a hard and fast rule, it is better if they have been there. Look at the serial ones - Heffo, Dwyer, Cody, Gavin, etc - my point is that managing top teams requires top management and that should be made available to them, all else being equal. Could we have played Cork differently?
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Post by sullyschoice on Dec 21, 2020 21:30:32 GMT
Ah come on now Bally , you keep on beating this drum that the manager should have a senior medal in his pocket. Not so long ago I gave you Dr. Eamon O’Sullivan , Jack O’Connor , Pat O’Shea, Further afield you have Eugene McGee, Mickey Harte , Sean Boylan, John O’Mahony . Very likely there are others that elude me now. In hurling you have Fr. O’Brien in Cork, Fr. Maher in Kilkenny, I forget the name of the hotelier who managed Wexford to win their last All-Ireland, Michael Bond , Cyril Farrell etc etc. Time to change your tune Bally! Liam Griffin from the Ferrycarrig Hotel is the man you are thinking of
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Post by veteran on Dec 21, 2020 21:45:34 GMT
Ah come on now Bally , you keep on beating this drum that the manager should have a senior medal in his pocket. Not so long ago I gave you Dr. Eamon O’Sullivan , Jack O’Connor , Pat O’Shea, Further afield you have Eugene McGee, Mickey Harte , Sean Boylan, John O’Mahony . Very likely there are others that elude me now. In hurling you have Fr. O’Brien in Cork, Fr. Maher in Kilkenny, I forget the name of the hotelier who managed Wexford to win their last All-Ireland, Michael Bond , Cyril Farrell etc etc. Time to change your tune Bally! Liam Griffin from the Ferrycarrig Hotel is the man you are thinking of [/quote Yes that’s the man . Thanks for that.
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Post by Ard Mhacha on Dec 22, 2020 10:28:37 GMT
I agree totally that Dublin are a professional team. Acknowledging their professional status, then they are a mediocre professional side. We always had this vague picture of what a professional Gaelic football team would be like, the creativity of Barcelona, Brazil. Unfortunately they have turned out to be Germany, technically perfect and mechanical, once described by Ron Atkinson as being "results machines" with little entertainment value. It almost appears that it is a chore that they must get done before they go home to their families. I agree with what Pillar said - there are serious chinks in that Dublin side. Mayo walked into the disastrous tactic of bringing the ball into the full forward line. The swarm suffocated them. They had numerous chance to take points from 25 metres out. Once again the vast majority Dublin scores came from the D. When Mayo were putting it up to them in the first half Dublin's accuracy was not as high as when they are coasting. They are very beatable by a team who has the freedom to make decisions on the hoof and knows what "the jugular" means. I agree with that. A results machine. Although Dublin are very good at what they do, they just don’t excite me watching them. There’s no room for risk taking, spontaneity or sprinkles of genius. I recall some of the scores Maurice Fitzgerald scored, Stephen O’Neill, and Steven McDonnell for us. Points from the sideline, outside of the boot, etc. Colin Corkery got some beautiful scores for a few seasons. Ciaran McDonald sprayed lovely passes for Mayo. David Clifford is great to watch these days. Things that get you shaking your head in astonishment. You don’t get that with this Dublin team.
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Post by glengael on Dec 22, 2020 11:13:50 GMT
If Mayo manage to win, it will be the biggest upset ever in an All Ireland Final, no question or doubt that. Bigger than 1982? Yes veteran, it would have been far bigger than 1982. In 82 Kerry were an ageing team and the gap was closing, as Offaly had demonstrated in the years just prior to that. Dublin have revitalised their team each season and stayed ahead, not by huge winning margins sometimes, but still staying ahead of the posse.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Dec 22, 2020 11:41:24 GMT
In terms of the style and ease of viewing, with recent retirements there are fewer Dublin players I particularly enjoy watching.
Some of their very best players aren't that easy on the eye. The kicking style of Ciarán Kilkenny is kind of ugly, and Con O'Callaghan isn't a kicker of fine points.
I think Brian Howard's fielding is probably what I find most appealing on the eye, and his kicking... and to a lesser extent the point scoring of Fenton and Rock.
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Post by Mickmack on Dec 22, 2020 11:53:37 GMT
They probably subjugate their own natural skills in the interest of the team.
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Post by Mickmack on Dec 22, 2020 11:54:10 GMT
James McCathy is great to watch. All the skills.
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Post by veteran on Dec 22, 2020 16:06:02 GMT
Yes veteran, it would have been far bigger than 1982. In 82 Kerry were an ageing team and the gap was closing, as Offaly had demonstrated in the years just prior to that. Dublin have revitalised their team each season and stayed ahead, not by huge winning margins sometimes, but still staying ahead of the posse. Glengael, an aging team? Not sure about that. You must remember that a large swathe of that team went on to win three more All-Irelands. In the build up to that final, as I painfully remember , there were no if this or that happens , there was unanimity that Kerry were untouchable.. It was only as time elapsed that people started to say that Offaly had given them a run for their money in the previous two years. In other words hindsight kicked in. It was a monumental upset. But of course this is one man’s opinion.
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Post by Kingdomson on Dec 22, 2020 16:39:49 GMT
There are some interesting observations from many now long-term users on these boards over the last couple of days. Much I agree with, some sort of, and more I don’t but thanks to all for making it so interesting to keep checking in, it’s great to have such a forum and hear opinions to make one think.
I personally don’t see any side gaining supremacy over Dublin, certainly not in any meaningful long term way, and any one off defeat of Dublin will not diminish the monopoly they most certainly now have on the annexation of All Ireland titles. It is a numbers game in so many ways and it is only going one way.
There are perhaps only a couple of sides that might defeat Dublin but make no mistake we’re in crumbs from the table territory here. Any defeat of the Dubs is just kicking a can down the road at this stage and means most likely, a Dublin side doubles down and comes back highly motivated to put another string of titles together. What mountains or should this be gentle hills are left for Dublin to hunt down? Well overhauling Kerry’s position of pre-eminence as the market leaders in All Ireland wins is certainly doable in the next 10 years. Everyone knows the question or certainly it will become harder to ignore – what to do about Dublin? The answer and the impact on trying to create a more competitive inter-county model for the future will be fascinating to observe.
What of Kerry? I’ve heard our management criticised (alright they a bad day – it happens – it even happened to the very best in this current century so far - Jim Gavin against Donegal in 2014). Our defence always seems to get a kicking from critics and far too easily. Perhaps from fewer on here but our forwards always seem to be treated more like the golden boys who folks are more reluctant to blame but praise far too much, too easily, and far too soon in some cases when nothing is really proven yet. There have been some exceptional performances but the lack of consistency among our forwards is perhaps the major reason Sam did not reside here last year (2019) and failed to push on this year.
I think Kerry’s inefficiency in front of goals and posts has been most pronounced in their championship defeats over the past 4 years at least. What did Kerry leave behind them in terms of scores in last years drawn final (3-1X?) and I know we had a lot more wide’s the second day out against Dublin too and this year against Cork it was simply shocking and sub-standard for any All Ireland pretender. We have some good potential but there is awful lot to prove from our Kerry forwards going into 2021 and the area that needs most improvement for me. Across the board we have been found to be mentally weak with it comes down to the crunch and our game management shocking and these are all attributes that need immediate fixing. For this observer Kerry have it all to improve on – is it too much to do in a short space of time given the schedule next year? It’s why Dublin is the surer bet to make it a 7-in-a-row come 2021.
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to All!
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Post by Mickmack on Dec 22, 2020 21:18:43 GMT
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Marc O Se | Mayo get no luck against Dublin thanks to weak refereeing Avatar ByMarc O Se - 20/12/2020
We are running out of superlatives to describe this Dublin team. Six All-Ireland titles in a row, six of their players now joining my uncle Páidí in the record books with their eight Celtic Crosses. The magnificent five that we were so proud of down in Kerry has now become the magnificent 11 – and there are probably more medals in the future for them.
You cannot take anything away from Dublin. They are a phenomenal team, the greatest to ever play the game. In Stephen Cluxton, James McCarthy and Brian Fenton, they have three of the greatest leaders to ever play the game.
For Mayo to have stood any chance, they needed every break going. They needed the rub of the green – and they needed the referee to be strong. They didn’t get that.
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David Coldrick had three minutes to forget at one of the most crucial stages of that match last night. Firstly, he neglected to give Jonny Cooper a black card when he committed the very foul for which the black card was brought in.
And, a couple of minutes later, he took no action when Mick Fitzsimons took Lee Keegan out with a shoulder into the chest.
It is the biggest game of the year and you need your officials to be strong. And they simply weren’t strong enough last night.
Players self-evaluate their performances after a match – and officials do too. I think when this game is reviewed, they will know it was not good enough.
Cooper should have been sent to the sin-bin when Aidan O’Shea looked like he was bearing down on goal. In a situation like that in soccer, when you are blatantly pulled down while bearing down on goal, it is a red card. In our game, it should be a black card, plain and simple.
It is why it was brought in, to eradicate incidents like Sean Cavanagh pulling down Conor McManus a few years ago, O’Shea wins the ball, takes on his man, is bearing down on goal. And he is taken out of it. And just a tick for Cooper. A couple of minutes later, Fitzsimons catches Keegan with a reckless challenge.
When players are going for a shoulder, it has to be a side-to-side challenge. I got sent off once against Cork because I mistimed my shoulder charge in much the same way that Fitzsimons did yesterday, and I ended up before the CCCC in Croke Park.
But Fitzsimons got away with it. Now, in that instance, probably Coldrick should have received some assistance from his officials.
It might seem as if I am nit-picking, taking out two decisions over 77 minutes of football. But the simple fact of the matter is that those were two huge calls that directly influenced this All-Ireland final.
And both of them were wrong.
And that is simply not good enough. Not when players are putting so much into the game. They deserve better.
Mayo did so much right in that game, especially in the first half. But the fact remains that the team who are going to eventually beat this Dublin side are going to need the rub of the green. They are going to need a couple of big calls to go for them. And Mayo didn’t get that last night.
I am not being bitter. There is so much to admire in this Dublin team and the job that Dessie Farrell has done. Some people might think it would be easy taking the reins from Jim Gavin; in reality it was anything but.
However, Dessie has done a remarkable job, because he has changed very little. It is much of the same as far as this team is concerned.
He maintained the competitive edge within the panel.
Brian Howard and Paul Mannion, who would walk into any other county team, had been left on the bench.
They both came on last night with a point to prove – and were instrumental in Dublin claiming their sixth All-Ireland title in a row.
And it seems like this Dublin team are determined to smash any last record that we have left in Kerry.
Not content with six of their side equalling Páidí and the magnificent five with their eight Celtic Crosses, the Dubs now have the record of fastest goal in an All-Ireland final, eclipsing another Kerry record that had stood since 1962.
Dean Rock’s finish was so clever, but the goal was all about James McCarthy. To me, he is the key to this Dublin team, the man who makes everything tick.
He’s just a phenomenal talent, driving the team forward. But they have exceptional players all over the field. Con O’Callaghan is every defender’s nightmare. His movement and his power make him almost impossible to mark.
And Dublin play on the edge.
Dublin play on the edge, but there is nothing wrong with that. Pic: INPHO/Ryan Byrne There’s nothing wrong with that. I played on a Kerry team that lived on the edge, with the likes of Paul Galvin, my brother Darragh, Tom O’Sullivan and Aidan O’Mahony. All great teams do.
But when you do that, sometimes you expect to be punished. Dublin got away with a couple of incidents that went over the line in the second half Saturday and that had a big influence on this result.
The result might well have been the same even if Cooper was sent to the sin-bin for 10 minutes, as he should have been. But the point is that we will never know.
James Horan has a lot to be proud of from his team’s performance on Saturday.
The likes of Oisin Mullin and Ryan O’Donoghue looked like they were playing in their fifth All-Ireland final, not their first.
The future is bright for Mayo football, even if this was yet more heartbreak.
They will be back again, because that is all they know. They are defiant. And resolute. When they look back on the video, they will see that they did so much right, especially in the first half. But once again, it just wasn’t enough.
The Mayo players shouldn’t be too harsh on themselves.
But I believe the level of officiating will have to come under intense scrutiny.
In a game of such fine margins, you just cannot get two such big calls wrong.
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Post by Mickmack on Dec 23, 2020 22:06:10 GMT
Yes veteran, it would have been far bigger than 1982. In 82 Kerry were an ageing team and the gap was closing, as Offaly had demonstrated in the years just prior to that. Dublin have revitalised their team each season and stayed ahead, not by huge winning margins sometimes, but still staying ahead of the posse. Glengael, an aging team? Not sure about that. You must remember that a large swathe of that team went on to win three more All-Irelands. In the build up to that final, as I painfully remember , there were no if this or that happens , there was unanimity that Kerry were untouchable.. It was only as time elapsed that people started to say that Offaly had given them a run for their money in the previous two years. In other words hindsight kicked in. It was a monumental upset. But of course this is one man’s opinion. 1980 v Offaly in the semi was a shootout and ended 4.15 to 4.10. Two wide open defenses. Micko applied surgery for the final. 1981 was a dog fight till Jackos goal put Kerry on the high road to quoto Micheal oHehir. So the 1982 final should have been approached with the utmost caution especially after Cork nearly won in Munster in the drawn game which was nerve wracking. However, the semi final between Offaly and Galway was a very poor game. Reffed by Weeshie. I was up on the Cusack at that match and i remember thinking how did Offaly go back so much on 1980 and 1981. Offaly were dreadful that day. Galway should have won it. Of course Offaly were pulling their punches we know how. They were brilliant in the final in what was a great game of football.
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Post by colinsworth1 on Dec 29, 2020 23:28:45 GMT
Getting back to the keep ball period to mitigate the. Loss of a player through black card It s a good tactic but tough to watch Does anyone agree with me that we need to try the 45 M line violation rule so that once the advancing team crosses the 45 then they cannot go backwards over it again . I think this would result in much less lateral and backward passing it would force teams to go for score more frequently It would make it more risky to play keep ball And it would result in more turnovers more contact It would result in more football and less running away It’s easy to implement easy to referee Any one agree with me ? I think it’s a game changer and better all around for the game A good fit team can keep possession for way too long not good for game not good to watch
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Post by Moderator on Dec 30, 2020 4:32:20 GMT
Inadvertent double post from colinsworth1 deleted.
On the over-and-back restrictions on the 45m line...do you mean the team's own, defensive 45m line or the attacking 45m line? Or both?
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Post by colinsworth1 on Dec 30, 2020 15:18:27 GMT
100 % the attacking or opposition 45 M line
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Post by southward on Dec 30, 2020 18:04:03 GMT
Getting back to the keep ball period to mitigate the. Loss of a player through black card It s a good tactic but tough to watch Does anyone agree with me that we need to try the 45 M line violation rule so that once the advancing team crosses the 45 then they cannot go backwards over it again .I think this would result in much less lateral and backward passing it would force teams to go for score more frequently It would make it more risky to play keep ball And it would result in more turnovers more contact It would result in more football and less running away It’s easy to implement easy to referee Any one agree with me ? I think it’s a game changer and better all around for the game A good fit team can keep possession for way too long not good for game not good to watch Once who crosses it? Presumably all 15 aren't crossing the line in unison.
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Post by colinsworth1 on Dec 31, 2020 2:31:09 GMT
Once the advances past the opposition 45 M line they cannot pass punch or carry it back behind it again otherwise a free kick
Nothing to do with the players it about the ball The exact same as the half court violation in basketball except in this case it’s the 45 m line Not hard to ref it you may say why do we need another rule This would be worth we’ll trialing in the league I think it would create a more level playing field Think how brutal is to watch a team working the ball out of defense and smartly up to the opposition 21 or the D and then with the slightest pressure Turn back and pass it back field to their own 45 and try rebuild again This is what the super fit teams are doing and it works And often deployed while a player is in black card as it slows the game down The 45 m rule would force players to shoot or be turned over and deliver a lot more one on one contests that we all love I’m not convinced about the advance mark maybe this is a good substitute for the advanced mark or a stand alone rule
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Post by colinsworth1 on Dec 31, 2020 2:33:43 GMT
Getting back to the keep ball period to mitigate the. Loss of a player through black card It s a good tactic but tough to watch Does anyone agree with me that we need to try the 45 M line violation rule so that once the advancing team crosses the 45 then they cannot go backwards over it again .I think this would result in much less lateral and backward passing it would force teams to go for score more frequently It would make it more risky to play keep ball And it would result in more turnovers more contact It would result in more football and less running away It’s easy to implement easy to referee Any one agree with me ? I think it’s a game changer and better all around for the game A good fit team can keep possession for way too long not good for game not good to watch Once who crosses it? Presumably all 15 aren't crossing the line in unison. Once the ball crosses the 45
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Post by onlykerry on Dec 31, 2020 12:53:04 GMT
Once who crosses it? Presumably all 15 aren't crossing the line in unison. Once the ball crosses the 45 I would be more inclined to say the half way line to begin with - once a team takes the ball accross the half way line they cannot take the ball back into their own half. This would give an incentive to the defence to push out to squeeze a team between the 45 and half way line giving some space inside hopefully. It would also increase the risk of the team in possession playing keep ball in their own half as a slip up would present a turnover in a dangerous position.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Dec 31, 2020 14:20:53 GMT
If our game is beginning to resemble basketball why do we think bringing in basketball rules will make it less like basketball?
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Post by colinsworth1 on Dec 31, 2020 15:10:49 GMT
If our game is beginning to resemble basketball why do we think bringing in basketball rules will make it less like basketball? We’re borrowing ideas from soccer AFL and Rugby What’s wrong with a rule that works great in basketball That forces one to shoot and keep going forward not backwards But if your happy enough with what your watching on Telly now with all the Keep ball on what is a huge field Then leave well enough alone .
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Dec 31, 2020 15:46:10 GMT
If our game is beginning to resemble basketball why do we think bringing in basketball rules will make it less like basketball? We’re borrowing ideas from soccer AFL and Rugby What’s wrong with a rule that works great in basketball That forces one to shoot and keep going forward not backwards But if your happy enough with what your watching on Telly now with all the Keep ball on what is a huge field Then leave well enough alone . My opinion is that the penny had dropped that overly defensive football is losing football and coaching innovation will naturally improve the game. What was wrong with the drawn AIF in 2019?
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Post by john4 on Dec 31, 2020 16:10:21 GMT
We’re borrowing ideas from soccer AFL and Rugby What’s wrong with a rule that works great in basketball That forces one to shoot and keep going forward not backwards But if your happy enough with what your watching on Telly now with all the Keep ball on what is a huge field Then leave well enough alone . My opinion is that the penny had dropped that overly defensive football is losing football and coaching innovation will naturally improve the game. What was wrong with the drawn AIF in 2019? 13 a side matches would improve the game imo, more space to play, harder to close down defensively. I think this was mentioned here or elsewhere previously
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Post by dano on Dec 31, 2020 18:31:47 GMT
I think Collinsworth1's idea is worth a try. No borrowing rules from anyone really. Basketball, AFL, Hurling Soccer are all based on the same concept. Try to score more than your opponent and try to prevent them from scoring more than you. If there are rules that will make the game flow and easier to watch then use them. The fitness level of Dublin and their Keep ball tactic go hand in hand.They are not the only ones using the latter but they are more successful at it due to the super fitness. Happy New Year everyone!
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Dec 31, 2020 19:02:27 GMT
I think Collinsworth1's idea is worth a try. No borrowing rules from anyone really. Basketball, AFL, Hurling Soccer are all based on the same concept. Try to score more than your opponent and try to prevent them from scoring more than you. If there are rules that will make the game flow and easier to watch then use them. The fitness level of Dublin and their Keep ball tactic go hand in hand.They are not the only ones using the latter but they are more successful at it due to the super fitness. Happy New Year everyone! The keep ball tactics is a reaction to over defensive (losing) football. I repeat: was there anything amiss with the AIF in 2019?
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Post by colinsworth1 on Dec 31, 2020 21:21:13 GMT
The 2019 drawn was a cracker no argument there we could do with more like that. In a close game like that at the late stages where no team has built a significant lead then players are not inclined to slow down the attack and go back field over the 45 . I counted 4 times Dublin done that in the last 20 minutes on that game not too excessive really here but they were chasing for a lot of the second half .
The 45 M rule was suggested before but not sure if it was trialed in games the advanced mark etc got more attention I really think its got potential. If you consider that most fans love the contact the battles one on one the forward motion not the backward retreat. The 45 M rule give you all that It give defenders a better chance too in that if the advancing team stay outside the 45 then they have less chance of scoring and if the ball comes inside the 45 then they feel they have a restricted space where they can put pressure on the attackers within a defined space albeit its still is a huge space. Defenders would love it , Fans would too , forwards may feel a bit more pressure to shoot rather than recycle all the time , Club team s. Would love it in that it reduces the size of the field at certain parts of the game and help cut down on the running to a limited extent
so now when you see a ball inside the 45 your either going to see a shot soon or a good turn over not just a repetitive backwards and forwards kicking running and passing . Remember Basketball brought this a step further when they introduced a shot clock of 24 seconds to shoot when in possession. We don’t need that yet but the fans entertainment is important too.
but looking back at that 2019 game we had them rattled made a few error s. and it cost us plenty reason for optimism and when we do finally win another AI out will make it all the more special Look at mayo s deep trawl of the county and the harvest of youth it got this year we need to do the same there has to be more talent out there that were not seeing in the county panel
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Post by dano on Dec 31, 2020 22:20:26 GMT
The 2019 Draw was the closest anyone came to dethroning the Dubs. Kerry had it won only for the amazing reserve of stamina the Dubs seem to find late in EVERY game. The 14 man effort was remarkable in that game, and in my opinion, the replay could only go one way. Kerry lost it the day of the draw. I agree with Annascaul that the keep ball tactic wouldn't and couldn't work that day for Dublin. Kerry didn't let it.
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