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Post by pillar on Dec 19, 2020 19:38:49 GMT
Mayo have to learn to keep things simple..3 times in the last quarter they took bad shots,simple hand and foot passes going astray during the game.execution of skills must be exact...all this deflates and inflates the opposition...coupled with some scandalous refereeing decisions in opening 10 minutes of 2nd half,Cooper and Fitzsimmons should have seen black...all those things meant Dublin held the whip hand throughout.
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Post by Mickmack on Dec 19, 2020 19:40:12 GMT
This is no doubt the greatest football team every well done to them. Which Dublin team? There has been 2 or 3 since 2010
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2020 19:44:15 GMT
Depression. Neither Donegal nor Kerry even got there to put a glove on them. Dublin showed up and done what they do best. If we got there today I find it very difficult to believe that we could have brought any more. Exactly
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Post by Kerryman Randy Savage on Dec 19, 2020 20:33:02 GMT
Actually didn't even watch it. The longer the charade continues the less I care, at least there is club football.
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Post by Mickmack on Dec 19, 2020 20:50:27 GMT
Actually didn't even watch it. The longer the charade continues the less I care, at least there is club football. Personally speaking I havent enjoyed a GAA year as much in a long time. The list of enjoyable games beamed into my living room was constant. I saw all of the 7 Kerry hurling championship games whivh ended in a great final. Kerrys run in the Joe McDonagh cup may have ended in a disappointment but the game with Carlow in Tralee was as enjoyable as i have seen I recall a great game between Kenmare and Crokes in Kenmare in the club championsip ending in a high lobbing ball leading to a goal and a win for the home side. The Crokes V MidKerry game was the best game i have seen in years. The minor final between St Brendans and EK was another classic. The Tipp county hurling final was brilliant and an outrageous last second goal won the day for the underdogs The Cavan county final, draw and replay were very engaging games. Donegal and Tyrone was a great contest Tipp beating Cork was so emotional Waterford win over KK was thrilling So was Cavans win v Donegal The Kerry v Cork minor game last week was the latest in an amazing sequence of games that i got enjoyment from. In a year when our lives were diminished in many ways i am grateful to have been able to watch and enjoy all of these games from the comfort and safety of my home.
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Post by mitchelsontour on Dec 19, 2020 20:51:55 GMT
Actually didn't even watch it. The longer the charade continues the less I care, at least there is club football. Likewise checked the phone a few times while doing a few jobs around the place but couldn't be bothered watching.
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Post by mitchelsontour on Dec 19, 2020 21:14:51 GMT
Actually didn't even watch it. The longer the charade continues the less I care, at least there is club football. Personally speaking I havent enjoyed a GAA year as much in a long time. The list of enjoyable games beamed into my living room was constant. I saw all of the 7 Kerry hurling championship games whivh ended in a great final. Kerrys run in the Joe McDonagh cup may have ended in a disappointment but the game with Carlow in Tralee was as enjoyable as i have seen I recall a great game between Kenmare and Crokes in Kenmare in the club championsip ending in a high lobbing ball leading to a goal and a win for the home side. The Crokes V MidKerry game was the best game i have seen in years. The minor final between St Brendans and EK was another classic. The Tipp county hurling final was brilliant and an outrageous last second goal won the day for the underdogs The Cavan county final, draw and replay were very engaging games. Donegal and Tyrone was a great contest Tipp beating Cork was so emotional Waterford win over KK was thrilling So was Cavans win v Donegal The Kerry v Cork minor game last week was the latest in an amazing sequence of games that i got enjoyment from. In a year when our lives were diminished in many ways i am grateful to have been able to watch and enjoy all of these games from the comfort and safety of my home. No doubting that there were great games throughout the year but the difference between today and the games cited above is that there was competition and the opportunity for an underdog. However today's game had little of that, for all of Mayo's willingness and effort it had an air of inevitability about it before a ball was even kicked.
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Post by southward on Dec 19, 2020 21:27:09 GMT
Perhaps it will happen in the second half but isn’t about time Aiden O’Shea asserted himself in an All-Ireland final. Could we get rid of those basketball goals and offensive marks. Does not enhance the game in any way, Fruitless hope I suppose. Agree. But sure it's virtually a basketball game at this stage. Well, maybe a mix of that and rugby league. Actual football being eradicated from the game slowly but surely.
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Post by Mickmack on Dec 19, 2020 21:34:22 GMT
Actually didn't even watch it. The longer the charade continues the less I care, at least there is club football. Personally speaking I havent enjoyed a GAA year as much in a long time. The list of enjoyable games beamed into my living room was constant. I saw all of the 7 Kerry hurling championship games whivh ended in a great final. Kerrys run in the Joe McDonagh cup may have ended in a disappointment but the game with Carlow in Tralee was as enjoyable as i have seen I recall a great game between Kenmare and Crokes in Kenmare in the club championsip ending in a high lobbing ball leading to a goal and a win for the home side. The Crokes V MidKerry game was the best game i have seen in years. The minor final between St Brendans and EK was another classic. The Tipp county hurling final was brilliant and an outrageous last second goal won the day for the underdogs The Cavan county final, draw and replay were very engaging games. Donegal and Tyrone was a great contest Tipp beating Cork was so emotional Waterford win over KK was thrilling So was Cavans win v Donegal The Kerry v Cork minor game last week was the latest in an amazing sequence of games that i got enjoyment from. In a year when our lives were diminished in many ways i am grateful to have been able to watch and enjoy all of these games from the comfort and safety of my home. I forgot the Cork hurling final. Fantastic game And Templenoe beating Dingle back in Dingle in the county championship with club players laying it all on the line for honour of the little village even if there is no village in Templenoe. That was inspiring.
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Post by buck02 on Dec 19, 2020 21:37:11 GMT
Actually didn't even watch it. The longer the charade continues the less I care, at least there is club football. Personally speaking I havent enjoyed a GAA year as much in a long time. The list of enjoyable games beamed into my living room was constant. I saw all of the 7 Kerry hurling championship games whivh ended in a great final. Kerrys run in the Joe McDonagh cup may have ended in a disappointment but the game with Carlow in Tralee was as enjoyable as i have seen I recall a great game between Kenmare and Crokes in Kenmare in the club championsip ending in a high lobbing ball leading to a goal and a win for the home side. The Crokes V MidKerry game was the best game i have seen in years. The minor final between St Brendans and EK was another classic. The Tipp county hurling final was brilliant and an outrageous last second goal won the day for the underdogs The Cavan county final, draw and replay were very engaging games. Donegal and Tyrone was a great contest Tipp beating Cork was so emotional Waterford win over KK was thrilling So was Cavans win v Donegal The Kerry v Cork minor game last week was the latest in an amazing sequence of games that i got enjoyment from. In a year when our lives were diminished in many ways i am grateful to have been able to watch and enjoy all of these games from the comfort and safety of my home. Just as I thought the day could not get much worse I read this. The reason we all got involved in GAA was to be able to compete in games. When you were not competing you could go and watch your club or your rival parish or just go and watch a game for the fun and pass a bit of time. Its been a terrible year as a GAA person. I couldn't see my county play in the championship. Parents watched a dodgy stream of their child playing a vital game. We had to lock out loyal club members from out grounds for club games. I couldn't go to Killarney or Tralee to see a county championship game. And to top it off Dublin win 6 in a row. Bah Humbug Mickmack.
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Post by Kingdomson on Dec 19, 2020 21:43:42 GMT
Even allowing for the turnover of players to breath in new life even Dublin look bored at this stage, and were just going through the motions fully knowing they would win. Really Dublin won how they wanted, putting on a few brief spurts of extra energy here and there to get the job done. They were like a 6th former with the hand on the head of 1st year that is swinging his arms furiously but can't really land a blow. The whole thing is anti-climatic at this stage and Stephen Cluxton who indeed is one of the most influential players ever but OMG his speeches are coma inducing. Dublin for 7? I won't be betting against it.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Dec 19, 2020 21:45:30 GMT
Mayo played pure football and while the better team generally win, and congrats to Dublin for that, I am delighted that Mayo gave it their all - it was exciting until Dubs started to pull away towards the end and if they have improved then based on result we will struggle against that Mayo team. While the Dubs will be around there will be some great games to look forward to between the next 5 or so, and coming on for such challenges might be the best chance of someone toppling the Dubs in my lifetime.
I feared for 20 years old Oisin Mullin at FB but he proved he is some prospect, and as are the other debutants - great to see in a rural West of Ireland county and moreover the times that are in it.
My only gripe was that the commentators didn't tell us who had moved positions and who ended up marking who, they only let it slip that AO'6 was double marked and if we had that info we'd get more from watching on. Am I missing something here Vet - did you know what was going on off screen?
I enjoyed it and as I did numerous games this year, both hurling and football, and as others on here have said likewise (Mickmack, etc), so ta to GAA, support staff and most of all the players.
Cheer up Mayo, thanks for the music, yew have a pipeline of talent and there are good days ahead for the GAA.
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Post by Mickmack on Dec 19, 2020 22:14:20 GMT
Personally speaking I havent enjoyed a GAA year as much in a long time. The list of enjoyable games beamed into my living room was constant. I saw all of the 7 Kerry hurling championship games whivh ended in a great final. Kerrys run in the Joe McDonagh cup may have ended in a disappointment but the game with Carlow in Tralee was as enjoyable as i have seen I recall a great game between Kenmare and Crokes in Kenmare in the club championsip ending in a high lobbing ball leading to a goal and a win for the home side. The Crokes V MidKerry game was the best game i have seen in years. The minor final between St Brendans and EK was another classic. The Tipp county hurling final was brilliant and an outrageous last second goal won the day for the underdogs The Cavan county final, draw and replay were very engaging games. Donegal and Tyrone was a great contest Tipp beating Cork was so emotional Waterford win over KK was thrilling So was Cavans win v Donegal The Kerry v Cork minor game last week was the latest in an amazing sequence of games that i got enjoyment from. In a year when our lives were diminished in many ways i am grateful to have been able to watch and enjoy all of these games from the comfort and safety of my home. Just as I thought the day could not get much worse I read this. The reason we all got involved in GAA was to be able to compete in games. When you were not competing you could go and watch your club or your rival parish or just go and watch a game for the fun and pass a bit of time. Its been a terrible year as a GAA person. I couldn't see my county play in the championship. Parents watched a dodgy stream of their child playing a vital game. We had to lock out loyal club members from out grounds for club games. I couldn't go to Killarney or Tralee to see a county championship game. And to top it off Dublin win 6 in a row. Bah Humbug Mickmack. Maybe if your were living 200 miles away from Kerry you would appreciate what the point I am making. I havent seen as many games from Kerry in years. The county scene is a non event. I have forseen this day from way back. JP will probably turn Limerick into the Dubs of hurling. Its too early to say but it could well happen. So be thankful for vibrant club competitions. Happy Christmas.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Dec 19, 2020 22:41:18 GMT
Mayo ten finals since 1989 no win.
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Post by mitchelsontour on Dec 19, 2020 23:04:46 GMT
Just reading through the thread and the sad reality is that there is very little comment about individual battles or the key turning points in an All Ireland final but a realisation of the inevitable dominance of a financially manipulated team.
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Post by southward on Dec 19, 2020 23:08:38 GMT
Mayo ten finals since 1989 no win. It's a remarkable achievement in any sport. Not sure any other entity could have managed it. Puts the Dubs' 6-in-a-row in the halfpenny place, that's for sure.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Dec 19, 2020 23:57:33 GMT
Past Dublin players and officials denying that funding has played ANY role in their success will cause something to happen.
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Post by dano on Dec 20, 2020 0:19:40 GMT
I saw the Hickey article. Disrespectful enough to all others. And this constant reminding us of what champions of humanity that every single member of the squad is, ??.That aside, they played brilliantly today and their methodical wearing down of the opposition is their secret. They're catching up with us in terms of records. Roll on 2021.The Winter will be short now anyway. It could be only September!
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Post by john4 on Dec 20, 2020 0:50:17 GMT
I saw the Hickey article. Disrespectful enough to all others. And this constant reminding us of what champions of humanity that every single member of the squad is, ??.That aside, they played brilliantly today and their methodical wearing down of the opposition is their secret. They're catching up with us in terms of records. Roll on 2021.The Winter will be short now anyway. It could be only September! We will seriously need to up our game in every single department, on and off the field next year if we've any chance. None of this yerra *e but a proper professional approach to every single thing we do.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Dec 20, 2020 1:50:42 GMT
I saw the Hickey article. Disrespectful enough to all others. And this constant reminding us of what champions of humanity that every single member of the squad is, ??.That aside, they played brilliantly today and their methodical wearing down of the opposition is their secret. They're catching up with us in terms of records. Roll on 2021.The Winter will be short now anyway. It could be only September! We will seriously need to up our game in every single department, on and off the field next year if we've any chance. None of this yerra *e but a proper professional approach to every single thing we do. 'Every single thing we do' includes reinstalling DB, otherwise we won't be at that Mayo level next year. Winners wear down losers by definition - fitness + power + sensible use of energy = pressure on opponents = forced errors, etc. Mayo youngsters had no power left at the end. Comparing it to a pacemaker in a horse race to ensure a quick time, i.e. favours the best horse. Dublin don't take chances, they go full tilt from the get-go and maintain full-on pressure all the way and as Mayo also did for as long as they could - some may think Dubs only turn on the power at the end but what you are really seeing is Mayo fading and so the misinterpretation. Commentary also let slip that the physicality at MF was above the normal with Mayo giving it wellie - I think there is a policy not to show some of the hardy stuff and I noticed it plenty when we could get to games, ah well the children would be watching before 9pm - maybe that's what wrong with the youth today! Hey, I enjoyed it immensely, partly I admit out of relief that it was a tight enough game, and yes, Mayo could have done it but it would be asking a lot of lady luck - I wonder of they got a goal towards the end they might have started to dream of what might be, induce frantic, manic mayhem - can't ever recall it, well apart from a parish league game.
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Post by baurtregaum on Dec 20, 2020 4:09:25 GMT
For all the pressure that Dessie Farrell may have felt going into the game, he was still able to start with (for me) a relatively weakened team, and get to half time with a two point lead.
Howard is a class player with his best years still to come. He is an automatic starter, every time, in any other county. Dessie can afford to let him warm the bench, see which way the wind is blowing and deploy him with deadly effect in that second half. Same goes with Mannion. Imagine being the Mayo Back who saw him trotting over to you with 20 minutes to go.
Mayo would be only delighted to have Cormac Costello.
Now, people will say, 'Mayo were level at this point in the game', or 'just two points down when they made this mistake', etc. But the point is this - Dublin finished with their strongest team, and Mayo had to deal with a fresh Howard with a point to prove in that second half. No other manager, be it Keane, Bonner or whoever, can afford to take that risk.
Another positive for Farrell from this strategy is that this year guys like Bugler have integrated and gained valuable experience in the same way that Rock, McCaffery and Kilkenny did in 2013. None really shone in that final and IIRC they were subbed, but they paid back Gavin's trust a thousand-fold in the years that followed. I'm sure Bulger will do the same.
Anyway, my question is this - if Dublin had started Howard somewhere between 5 and 12, and perhaps Mannion also, what would the score have been?
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Post by pillar on Dec 20, 2020 10:00:54 GMT
I'm not so sure Dublin were as comfortable as being made out here.I felt some huge calls went their way early in the second half,namely Cooper and Fitzsimmons getting away with obvious black cards.Theres always pressure on a ref,especially when he's already flashed one black card,not to give another but by the letter of the law they were.I thought he was poor,as poor as some of Mayos turnovers.There are chinks in that Dublin team,one which our forward play can expose.Great champions they maybe but a day always comes when the ball bounces the other way,the decision goes the other way.
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Post by Mickmack on Dec 20, 2020 10:17:52 GMT
I'm not so sure Dublin were as comfortable as being made out here.I felt some huge calls went their way early in the second half,namely Cooper and Fitzsimmons getting away with obvious black cards. The resident of Dublin 3 was never going to black card 3 Dubs. He would have had to spend the night in the dog house.
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Post by shaggy04 on Dec 20, 2020 10:20:18 GMT
Dublin won at their ease. Almost like a professional team playing amateurs Semi professional actually
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Post by shaggy04 on Dec 20, 2020 10:21:26 GMT
Congratulations to Dublin and I might as well congratulate them on the next 4 also. Mayo tried but faded in the last quarter. The Dublin football team has probably broken every record at this stage in Gaelic football and some players are heading towards 9 all Ireland medals come July which overtakes the Kerry greats. This is no doubt the greatest football team every well done to them. Greatest team including AIG and Croke Park
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2020 10:44:36 GMT
Dublin have had one game in three years where the game was in doubt with 10 minutes to go. A couple more where the game was in doubt with 20 minutes to go.
And yet some people think Dublin are getting closer to the chasing pack.
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Post by veteran on Dec 20, 2020 12:07:52 GMT
Congratulations to Dublin on a well merited win. Never in doubt. Regardless of population size and financial bounty , six in a row is a remarkable achievement. If nothing else , it means that interest and appetite never wanes. As Dr. Hickey said, more about him later , they do not allow themselves to walk into a sucker punch, no hint of complacency. Kerry please copy. One should be gracious enough to at least say that their various revenue streams are being appropriately used. Would that happen in every county? In every sport? In every enterprise?
I suppose it is fair to say that Mayo did as well as most people expected. It was noticeable that three or four of their younger boys were unable or not allowed to replicate the form they had shown in previous games this year. Indeed a lot of those neophytes were substituted . Of course they were at a disadvantage at not having anything close to the reservoir of fitness which their opponents had accumulated over the years . There was also an element of stage fright. On the other hand , those young lads will benefit enormously from the experience. That is scant consolation to them this morning.
Apart from the young boys not performing on the day, Mayo had nobody in the same league as Brian Fenton, Con O’Callaghan and Ciaran Kilkenny. In that respect Paddy Duncan was a loss , injured I presume.
Now, there is the matter of Dr. Hickey. At a time of unprecedented glory for his county, he could not bring himself to say a kind word, pass a magnanimous comment about anybody or anything outside the pale. Mayo were knifed, Kerry were knifed and not even an octogenarian in the Iveragh Peninsula escaped the poisoned barb. What does this tell us about the good doctor? Perhaps, a suitable epitaph would be , “ Tons of bitterness. Not an ounce of class”.
As always, I am enthusiastic about the year that is around the corner. Nobody will convince me that we dot have the personnel to regain supremacy. A chastened and , as a consequence, a wiser management maybe the ingredient that is needed to propel us onwards. Of course it maybe senility that is the basis for my optimism but more likely it is faith and hope.
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Post by Mickmack on Dec 20, 2020 12:29:05 GMT
Dr. Hickey is honest enough the represent the views of a large contingent in Dublin.
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Post by Mickmack on Dec 20, 2020 12:35:33 GMT
Dublin have had one game in three years where the game was in doubt with 10 minutes to go. A couple more where the game was in doubt with 20 minutes to go. And yet some people think Dublin are getting closer to the chasing pack. Not starting Howard and Mannion was the equivilent of Kerry not starting SOS or David Clifford. It keep things mildly interesting till the 50th minute and kept the winning margin respectable. A 20 point win would not have been in Dublins interest.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Dec 20, 2020 13:05:05 GMT
Dublin have had one game in three years where the game was in doubt with 10 minutes to go. A couple more where the game was in doubt with 20 minutes to go. And yet some people think Dublin are getting closer to the chasing pack. Not starting Howard and Mannion was the equivilent of Kerry not starting SOS or David Clifford. It keep things mildly interesting till the 50th minute and kept the winning margin respectable. A 20 point win would not have been in Dublins interest. Emptying as many tanks as possible is the strategy methinks - so you have 2 Duracells at the death, ah yeah I see what he is at. The flaw though is that this only works when you are going to win anyway, methinks! And yes, Joe Brolly accsuing Mayo of being celebrities - they have issues and I've known a few right micks in 'em but 99% are A1 and that team last night are to be admired 100%, 1000% - pure footballers who hadn't an ounce of energy left, with on or their shields, etc! To suggest otherwise is drama queen crap, didn't see any wee farts among 'em blowing kisses.
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