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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2020 10:44:41 GMT
And they both still lose to Dublin by 6-10 points if they had 6 to 10 points? When have they last beaten Kerry by 6 to 10 points in League or C'ship. I'm not disputing Dublins dominance at the top table but is hammering any of the perennial also rans like W'meath, Laois, Meath and Cavan really a surprise? Its boring and hopeless for those teams but I woukd expect a fit and firing Kerry to rinse all those teams. Yes, Cavan won Ulster but could have lost all their games in Ulster, sone of which were against distinctly average teams. The truth is, if we hadn't taken our eye badly off the ball against Cork, a majority on this forum would be very confident of beating Tipp and Mayo (today), and quietly confident of beating Dublin in a final. Thats not me saying the 'funding' and 'Croke park for home games' are not real issues - they are and are compounded by the growing population in Dublin - but I do think we can topple Dublin. We lost by 6 points last year and got hammered in a league game in 2018. I guess we were competitive for a spell so that makes it ok. It is not all about Kerry either. 16 out of 17 Leinsters tells its own story but sure let’s pretend that it is cyclical and any day now other teams will start winning
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2020 10:49:29 GMT
I hope Dublin win the final by at least 15 points Dublin winning margin in finals and semi finals,excluding yesterday, is much much less.Taken to replays,last minute points.The Dublin invincibility is built in Leinster where there is no one to threaten them,and teams beaten before a ball is thrown in.An argument can be made for an open draw.Id imagine an away trip to Castlebar,Omagh,Ballybofey,Killarney would be a better experience for them than a routine pasting of poor old Wicklow in Croker!! The last competitive semi final for Dublin was in 2016. By competitive I mean the game was not over after 45 minutes and for most of those games it was over at half time. I guess losing by less than 10 is an achievement these days
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Post by Mickmack on Dec 6, 2020 11:02:45 GMT
So we're basically advocating surrender? You want the GAA to keep funding Dublin to the same level as they have since 2007. You dont want to split Dublin. Have you a solution? Maybe you are happy with the current situation continuing into the future where Dublin win 4 out of every 5 indefinitely?
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Post by taggert on Dec 6, 2020 11:14:11 GMT
6 to 10 points? When have they last beaten Kerry by 6 to 10 points in League or C'ship. I'm not disputing Dublins dominance at the top table but is hammering any of the perennial also rans like W'meath, Laois, Meath and Cavan really a surprise? Its boring and hopeless for those teams but I woukd expect a fit and firing Kerry to rinse all those teams. Yes, Cavan won Ulster but could have lost all their games in Ulster, sone of which were against distinctly average teams. The truth is, if we hadn't taken our eye badly off the ball against Cork, a majority on this forum would be very confident of beating Tipp and Mayo (today), and quietly confident of beating Dublin in a final. Thats not me saying the 'funding' and 'Croke park for home games' are not real issues - they are and are compounded by the growing population in Dublin - but I do think we can topple Dublin. We lost by 6 points last year and got hammered in a league game in 2018. I guess we were competitive for a spell so that makes it ok. It is not all about Kerry either. 16 out of 17 Leinsters tells its own story but sure let’s pretend that it is cyclical and any day now other teams will start winning Who is saying its cyclical, apart from Bernard Brogan? The dogs in the street know the GAA has overinvested in Dublin - and that is most manifest in Leinster. The Leinster council have conveniently turned a blind eye to it. I stand by what I said that that Dublin would not beat us by any more than a couple of points. I agree with your broader point that its not just about Kerry or Dublin, despite both having 66 All Irelands between them, and only Galway, Cork and Meath with more than 5!! As for Leinster, Dublin have won it 59 times - opponents Westmeath 1, Laois 6, Meath 21. They have always held a relative upper hand in Leinster save for Meaths 8 titles in 15 years, the GAA have all but killed Leinster for probably the next 2 decades.
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Post by Mickmack on Dec 6, 2020 11:14:25 GMT
So we're basically advocating surrender? and might i add.. i dont see splitting up Dublin as surrender. If there was a cempetition authority they would have called out this situation long ago. If a county has one third of the population and is given two thirds of funding from GAA apart from massive sponsorship then its hardly a surprize that they will have a never ending stream of top athletes. So what if Mayo could have won it in 2016 or Kerry in 2019. Normal service would resume then for another 5 years before some other team snuck one. Is that your idea of competition. This situation was entirely predictible from around 2010. Its certainly no surprise to me anyway.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Dec 6, 2020 11:59:04 GMT
And they both still lose to Dublin by 6-10 points if they had You don't know this (and it's nearly beside my point).
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2020 12:04:25 GMT
Why don’t you answer Micks question. He predicted exactly this outcome 7 or 8 years ago. You have disagreed with him the entire time. No doubt you will be the first to congratulate Dublin on their six in a row in a few weeks time😜
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Post by playitfair on Dec 6, 2020 12:23:51 GMT
Just a couple of observations about Dublin and their dominance which the GAA HQ need to consider now:
- Dublin are a really good team, probably the greatest that ever played the game but it is without doubt that they do have every advantage going as well and these advantages are many; - I am not sure splitting Dublin in two is the answer, does anyone really want both Dublin teams in the final every year. I am not sure the ratings would be that high for that one; and - If something is not done, who is going to go and watch football matches and sponsor football teams, even Dublin's sponsorship will drop.
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Post by Mickmack on Dec 6, 2020 12:34:53 GMT
- I am not sure splitting Dublin in two is the answer, does anyone really want both Dublin teams in the final every year. I would watch if twas a competitive game. Heres food for thought. Robbie McDaid is the same age as Jack McCaffrey, John Small. Ciaran Kilkenny, Paul Mannion etc. He would be a well establised county man in any other county.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2020 16:01:50 GMT
No doubt, we’ll be seeing some of that famous Dublin wit soon enough with their calls to split Mayo
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Post by gaelicden on Dec 6, 2020 16:04:30 GMT
Seeing what's happening right now, what happened to Kerry in 2020? It's just looks worse for us by the game
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Post by taggert on Dec 6, 2020 16:10:04 GMT
Above all it shows how bad Cork are and how bad we were for failing to swat them aside. We decorated Mayo in the summer of 2019 afterall....
Donegal and Kerry will have been sickened this weekend.
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Post by john4 on Dec 6, 2020 16:23:08 GMT
Tipperary's physical conditioning is not at this level. Men v boys. Cork were a disaster and we were worse. PK & Co. will rightly be sick watching how this side of the draw is playing out.
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Post by taggert on Dec 6, 2020 16:28:20 GMT
Both semi's over after 20 mins or so...
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Post by gaelicden on Dec 6, 2020 16:29:02 GMT
Donegal might be sickened, but we're filling up buckets of puke. Our worst championship year since 1993, and yet our conquerers and and their conquerers are equally humiliated in the following rounds. If this was association football, PK would have his P45 by now.
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Post by Mickmack on Dec 6, 2020 16:45:35 GMT
The pro Donie Buckley brigage will say; If only PK could have worked with him we would be as good as Mayo are now.
The anti Donie Buckley brigade with say: Look at how good Mayo are now without Dinie Buckley.
Yawn.
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Post by john4 on Dec 6, 2020 16:46:38 GMT
Dublin will rip Mayo apart, Tipp have had about 10 goal chances. Mayo are only average
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Post by pillar on Dec 6, 2020 16:51:39 GMT
Yell have to stop torturing yourselves lads.The Cork game is done and dusted and the onus now on players and management is to respond to it in the proper way in 2021.What happens in subsequent games doesn't make us any better or worse.Only ones that can control that is the management and team.Let 2021 judge itself!!
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Post by Mickmack on Dec 6, 2020 16:54:12 GMT
Dublin will rip Mayo apart, Tipp have had about 10 goal chances. Mayo are only average Mayo beat Galway and Tipp mainly by gaining possession from turnovers. 3.06 in the first half per Oisin McConville came from Tipp losing possession. Dublin will not be as accomodating.
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Post by gaelicden on Dec 6, 2020 17:05:31 GMT
3-13 won us an all Ireland final in 2007. It's also what mayo conceded tonight. Dublin's defence will be a bit more tight than Tipp's I believe. It could be a 2006 type final on the cards.
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Post by taggert on Dec 6, 2020 17:34:02 GMT
Dublin will rip Mayo apart, Tipp have had about 10 goal chances. Mayo are only average Here is the thing tho., did Mayo set up today like they intend to set up in the against Dublin (in the final)? I suspect not. Unlike the teams sent out by Bonner and Keane for example, Mayo took to the field confident they would outrun, outmuscle and outscore their inferior opponents over 70 mins and didn't complicate matters by wearing a tactical straitjacket. And so it proved. I dont doubt that were they playing in this manner against Dublin today, they would have shipped at least 3 goals in the opening quarter. The time to use intricate and/or restrictive tactics is when you really need them, not when you dont. Job done and its another shot at the title for Mayo.
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Post by veteran on Dec 6, 2020 17:37:30 GMT
Tipperary embarrass Cork and Mayo embarrass Tipperary. In the meantime, Kerry sit at home chewing the cud.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Dec 6, 2020 17:54:26 GMT
The pro Donie Buckley brigage will say; If only PK could have worked with him we would be as good as Mayo are now. The anti Donie Buckley brigade with say: Look at how good Mayo are now without Dinie Buckley. Yawn. Why didn't you watch today's game Mick? As regards Donie, we don't know who couldn't work with who, maybe Donie couldn't work with PK, maybe neither could work with the other? How did Donie get on with the management team and did the relationship between him and PK bear on that? My own take is that those involved should have been able to deliver for the county within those constraints, and especially the players. If they couldn't then it was decisions they disagreed on and where the evidence suggests PK was wrong, is wrong and will be wrong again. Donie Buckley was universally liked, not because he is a street angel, but because he mastered the art of tacking without fouling, one of the hallmarks of the code, and through which he bettered many players, Kerry and Mayo a like. As that isn't good enough then there is a bigger problem here and which only adds to the task of winning Sam. In my previous comment on this thread re the gap with Dublin, this would be one of the numerous factors that separates teams, i.e. uncontrollable and controllable. My fear is that members of what is arguably the greatest Kerry team ever will not climb Hogan and that is truly soul destroying. We just had 2 unpretty AI semis and while I think both victors kept a bit of powder dry, one couldn't be sure the final will be much different given how Mayo's defense opened itself up. They are a promising team that will entertain and big decisions were made, just like Cody did with the Cats when it had to be done. The GAA has some great days and which is as a result of the right and generally hard decisions being made. Are we Kerry, men or boys? We need to man up.
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Post by pillar on Dec 6, 2020 18:40:24 GMT
The pro Donie Buckley brigage will say; If only PK could have worked with him we would be as good as Mayo are now. The anti Donie Buckley brigade with say: Look at how good Mayo are now without Dinie Buckley. Yawn. Why didn't you watch today's game Mick? As regards Donie, we don't know who couldn't work with who, maybe Donie couldn't work with PK, maybe neither could work with the other? How did Donie get on with the management team and did the relationship between him and PK bear on that? My own take is that those involved should have been able to deliver for the county within those constraints, and especially the players. If they couldn't then it was decisions they disagreed on and where the evidence suggests PK was wrong, is wrong and will be wrong again. Donie Buckley was universally liked, not because he is a street angel, but because he mastered the art of tacking without fouling, one of the hallmarks of the code, and through which he bettered many players, Kerry and Mayo a like. As that isn't good enough then there is a bigger problem here and which only adds to the task of winning Sam. In my previous comment on this thread re the gap with Dublin, this would be one of the numerous factors that separates teams, i.e. uncontrollable and controllable. My fear is that members of what is arguably the greatest Kerry team ever will not climb Hogan and that is truly soul destroying. We just had 2 unpretty AI semis and while I think both victors kept a bit of powder dry, one couldn't be sure the final will be much different given how Mayo's defense opened itself up. They are a promising team that will entertain and big decisions were made, just like Cody did with the Cats when it had to be done. The GAA has some great days and which is as a result of the right and generally hard decisions being made. Are we Kerry, men or boys? We need to man up. I'm struggling with the best Kerry team ever being mismanaged part
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Post by Galway breeze on Dec 6, 2020 19:07:03 GMT
Mayo took the leg off the gas in the second half but need to clean up their act defensively or they will be beaten by Dublin before halftime. This Kerry team is the greatest of all time that’s some statement to come out with Bally. Don’t hear too many counties screaming to get Donie on board. His days are number as an inter county coach but will be a good asset at club level.
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Post by boherbee on Dec 6, 2020 19:15:33 GMT
3-13 won us an all Ireland final in 2007. It's also what mayo conceded tonight. Dublin's defence will be a bit more tight than Tipp's I believe. It could be a 2006 type final on the cards. Mayo have got through to the All Ireland too easily this year ( not their fault, of course ) . The same thing happened to them in 2004 and 2006 , they weren’t good enough to be competing in an All Ireland final and they paid the price in the final. They got dog’s abuse after that even though they had maximised their resources by getting to the finals.
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Post by onlykerry on Dec 6, 2020 21:09:55 GMT
Two of the most depressing All Ireland Semi Finals I have ever seen - Kerry and Donegal have a lot to answer for. Is this the first time that only 1 top tier (Mayo were demoted after all) has made it to the All Ireland semi finals. Agree it is not Mayo's fault that they have found themselves in a final, reminds me of the Tyrone run in 2018.
Unless Dublin produce a sub par performance (like Kerry V Cork) the final will be another pedestrian and boring affair. That Mayo defence will not live with a Dublin team playing to their ability.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Dec 6, 2020 21:35:06 GMT
Why didn't you watch today's game Mick? As regards Donie, we don't know who couldn't work with who, maybe Donie couldn't work with PK, maybe neither could work with the other? How did Donie get on with the management team and did the relationship between him and PK bear on that? My own take is that those involved should have been able to deliver for the county within those constraints, and especially the players. If they couldn't then it was decisions they disagreed on and where the evidence suggests PK was wrong, is wrong and will be wrong again. Donie Buckley was universally liked, not because he is a street angel, but because he mastered the art of tacking without fouling, one of the hallmarks of the code, and through which he bettered many players, Kerry and Mayo a like. As that isn't good enough then there is a bigger problem here and which only adds to the task of winning Sam. In my previous comment on this thread re the gap with Dublin, this would be one of the numerous factors that separates teams, i.e. uncontrollable and controllable. My fear is that members of what is arguably the greatest Kerry team ever will not climb Hogan and that is truly soul destroying. We just had 2 unpretty AI semis and while I think both victors kept a bit of powder dry, one couldn't be sure the final will be much different given how Mayo's defense opened itself up. They are a promising team that will entertain and big decisions were made, just like Cody did with the Cats when it had to be done. The GAA has some great days and which is as a result of the right and generally hard decisions being made. Are we Kerry, men or boys? We need to man up. I'm struggling with the best Kerry team ever being mismanaged part Just saying that this team is in my opinion the all-time best Kerry team in the making, and be that right or wrong, in the context of the conversation we must assume that it could be the case. In fact if they were the worst ever they are still entitled to all the controllable factors being, well controlled - the right thing should be done. PK was deemed not to need Donie-like input back in the spring, now he is - the only thing that changed is that he was proven wrong, very. This is not an incidental issue, even Dwyer admits to making a few of them and nobody is infallible, but this is a fundamental issue.
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Post by gaelicden on Dec 6, 2020 22:36:31 GMT
Pat Gilroy on the Sunday Game there, says Cork and Kerry should join up , I hope he's joking.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2020 23:08:27 GMT
Pat Gilroy on the Sunday Game there, says Cork and Kerry should join up , I hope he's joking. The likes of Gilroy could not give a f*ck about the rest of the country. As long as Dublin win, that’s all that matters
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