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Post by royalkerryfan on Oct 24, 2020 17:31:12 GMT
Calm down lads. Beating a second string Donegal whose minds are on next week hardly makes them favourites for Sam. Of the 15 who started today, there were only 6 starters from the Tyrone game last weekend. One of these 6 was Patton in goals. 3 of the remaining 5 were subbed off by Donegal. The 9 players who were dropped/rested were Michael Murphy Eoghan Ban Gallagher Neil McGee Ryan McHugh Hugh McFadden Paul Brennan Peadar Mogan Niall O’Donnell Anyone getting excited about anything based on the match today would need their head examined. Job done today, nice to get another league title to add to the books, most importantly no injuries, good to get game-time into the legs, even if it was probably nearer to a challenge match than a championship match in terms of intensity. Very little in the world at the minute to get excited about if this team excites me and I'm confident that they can do the business.
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Post by givehimaball on Oct 24, 2020 18:02:12 GMT
Of the 15 who started today, there were only 6 starters from the Tyrone game last weekend. One of these 6 was Patton in goals. 3 of the remaining 5 were subbed off by Donegal. The 9 players who were dropped/rested were Michael Murphy Eoghan Ban Gallagher Neil McGee Ryan McHugh Hugh McFadden Paul Brennan Peadar Mogan Niall O’Donnell Anyone getting excited about anything based on the match today would need their head examined. Job done today, nice to get another league title to add to the books, most importantly no injuries, good to get game-time into the legs, even if it was probably nearer to a challenge match than a championship match in terms of intensity. Very little in the world at the minute to get excited about if this team excites me and I'm confident that they can do the business. Fair enough - maybe I was a bit harsh. It was good to get the win and there were a lot of decent performances, but I think there will be a massive difference between the Donegal that played today and the Donegal we will see against Tyrone next week. If we meet Donegal down the road in the championship I expect them to be a very very different animal compared to what they produced today.
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Post by veteran on Oct 24, 2020 18:26:19 GMT
It was good to win, always is, and it was very gratifying to win a national title, always is. It means that these lads now have a NFL medal, the first one for some of them. It was also heartening to see David receive the trophy. Clearly, the captaincy is not burdensome for this guy. I don't think anybody expected it to be so.
On the other side of the balance sheet it is important to remember that this was little more than a Donegal team composed mainly of their reserves. It is a shame that this game was not played back in March when the game would have been much more meaningful, so that we could then likely have drawn some firm conclusions about the respective merits of the teams.
How good were Kerry? They were putrid in the first quarter. They decided to replicate the opening half of the Monaghan game, playing with most of the team in their own half, including their crack forwards, conceding short kicks out to Donegal while Donegal craftily made us go long against the breeze. I find that type of football aesthetically repellent but I need to acknowledge that it is a legitimate tactic. The problem from a Kerry standpoint is that , without sounding too superior, is a style of play alien to us. Therefore we are not good at it. On the other hand, the likes of Tyrone and Donegal are at this gambit for a very long time. They have repeatedly practiced and fine tuned it with the result that now it is their instinctive modus operandi.
The easiest thing in the world is to tell lads, when you do not have the ball I want you all to drift back. I am sure Tyrone and Donegal would tell you there is lot a more to it than that. You must drift back purposefully with each player having a defined task. Otherwise it is just helter skelter with everybody responsible and nobody responsible. I suspect that takes a lot of coaching. For example there were several examples in that drivel laden opening quarter when we saw a Donegal player receiving possession totally unmarked and then perhaps two or three Kerry players descending on him and all he had to do was flick it on to another Donegal player, inevitably unmarked because a coterie of players had swarmed towards the first Donegal player. I don't imagine that is how blanket defending is supposed to work. As I said, it takes practice and practice and more practice. I feel we are not there yet but of course we should be wiser after the Cork game.
In any case , it would appear that during the water break management took the opportunity to remind themselves and the team that this barren style is stultifying us, look we have forwards of the first rank, therefore let us open this game up and see what happens. What happened was that in the second quarter Kerry scored two goals and four or five points and that matters essentially had reached a conclusion by half time.
It looks very likely that the backs will start against Cork as they started today. In any event we do not have as many choices back there as we have up front. I am not sure who was marking Ciaran Thompson. Who ever it was, Peter Crowley?, came off second best in that duel.
I imagine David Moran will start against Cork but not sure of his partner.
The forward line up is the biggest enigma, mainly because we are not sure of the fitness status of Paul, James, Stephen and Adrian Spillane I suppose. Almost certainly, Tony has played himself on to the team. I am delighted for him. I wonder has Michael Burns played himself off the team? An easy block down was effected on a lazy kick of his today and I don't think he has done enough over the two games. Ronan Buckley's retention I imagine, he has done fairly well in both games, is contingent on injuries to other players. Ditto Dara Moynihan, even though Dara could be retained regardless.
The mystery man is Paudie Clifford. One of the most consistently outstanding players over the past two years in Kerry got three minutes the last day and none today. Could it be be that Peter is a stubborn man and will not be influenced by public opinion? Could it be that Paudie will be his secret weapon against Cork?
Conor Lane had an easy game to referee but he brandished two blacks and one yellow all of the dubious variety.
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Post by Mickmack on Oct 24, 2020 18:47:25 GMT
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Post by Mickmack on Oct 24, 2020 18:48:52 GMT
the last few minutes of the league game with Dublin ultimately decided the 2020 league title.
Its still all about beating Dublin
Congrats to Kerry.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Oct 24, 2020 18:55:47 GMT
Very little in the world at the minute to get excited about if this team excites me and I'm confident that they can do the business. Fair enough - maybe I was a bit harsh. It was good to get the win and there were a lot of decent performances, but I think there will be a massive difference between the Donegal that played today and the Donegal we will see against Tyrone next week. If we meet Donegal down the road in the championship I expect them to be a very very different animal compared to what they produced today. I agree completely, Donegal are a top 3 side in my opinion. If they win next week I'd fancy them to run Dublin very close in a semi final maybe even beat them.
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Post by taggert on Oct 24, 2020 19:51:40 GMT
A lot of references to knowing what certain guys can do/bring etc but I think that doesnt apply this year at all. And Im glad it doesn't. We are going with those who are fit and in form, as opposed to those who are not. We dont have a 2 month hiatus to the c'ship, like we normally do post League. I do not see Geaney et Al featuring v Cork in 2 weeks time. The starting team for said game, probably only has 3 places requiring a decision: # 6 - Peter, who was poor today or Gavin Crowley. # 9 - Diarmuid or AN Other # 10 - Burns or Stephen O'Brien and the latter for me.
I see all other spots nailed on per the last 2 games, and rightly so.
As Sherwood can play anywhere centrally, he is one that I do hope is available should we progress to a semi.
A few bonuses today - a trophy, no injuries, no long journey, fellas maintaining form and fitness. I think the fully fledged Donegal team will give Dublin a right go in an All Irl semi, I dont see either stumbling on the way to that point.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Oct 24, 2020 20:09:38 GMT
A lot of references to knowing what certain guys can do/bring etc but I think that doesnt apply this year at all. And Im glad it doesn't. We are going with those who are fit and in form, as opposed to those who are not. We dont have a 2 month hiatus to the c'ship, like we normally do post League. I do not see Geaney et Al featuring v Cork in 2 weeks time. The starting team for said game, probably only has 3 places requiring a decision: # 6 - Peter, who was poor today or Gavin Crowley. # 9 - Diarmuid or AN Other # 10 - Burns or Stephen O'Brien and the latter for me. I see all other spots nailed on per the last 2 games, and rightly so. As Sherwood can play anywhere centrally, he is one that I do hope is available should we progress to a semi. A few bonuses today - a trophy, no injuries, no long journey, fellas maintaining form and fitness. I think the fully fledged Donegal team will give Dublin a right go in an All Irl semi, I dont see either stumbling on the way to that point. I don’t think you can write off players that are carrying injuries like that. If I was Peter Keane I would still be starting Sherwood, Barry, O’Brien and Geaney against Cork if they are injury free and can get a few training sessions under their belt with Adrian Spillane and O’Donoghue on the 26. On Peter Crowley I’d agree he had some poor moments today. I think we would still be better off with Gavin Crowley at centre back. I’m also not sure about Foley corner back. I’d have much more confidence in Jack Sherwood there.
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Post by taggert on Oct 24, 2020 20:33:04 GMT
I said 6, 9 and 10 are up for grabs and therefore Sherwood - if fit, Barry and O'Brien may well start. Barry and OBrien finished today so I see them as fit and in form. I will be amazed if either PG or JOD are in the reckoning as neither have form or fitness. I firmly believe that both these players have long since played their best football for Kerry and neither have the stamina or fitness for the modern game. Bit part players for me.
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Post by southward on Oct 24, 2020 20:58:37 GMT
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Post by clarinman on Oct 24, 2020 21:07:13 GMT
I said 6, 9 and 10 are up for grabs and therefore Sherwood - if fit, Barry and O'Brien may well start. Barry and OBrien finished today so I see them as fit and in form. I will be amazed if either PG or JOD are in the reckoning as neither have form or fitness. I firmly believe that both these players have long since played their best football for Kerry and neither have the stamina or fitness for the modern game. Bit part players for me. The last few posters seem to have Ronan Buckley as a starter. I don't see that. I think you will see Jack Barry coming in either half forward or midfield with diarmuid o Connor moving to half forward. I think you will see one of Burns or Moynihan with Stephen O'Brien coming in at 15. Burns has been poor the last 2 games but was outstanding in the county championship. Taggert is writing off Paul Geaney who scored 4 points from play in the all Ireland replay last year. If he's fit, I would start him.
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Post by kerryexile on Oct 24, 2020 21:39:11 GMT
I don't agree with Veteran. Things are very different this year. Teams will not be able to rehearse moves and tactics for months. This was clear last week against Monaghan. While Monaghan put up a spirited performance they did not have enough homework done to deal with the craft of Kerry. If they were training all summer it would have been a different game. So teams will be doing what they have to do in an uncomplicated way. Kerry did that today.
I agree with Taggert about the Cork game, The team will line out more or less as we have seen in the 2 league games. After that, if we prevail which I expect we will, we will have (with all due respect) a relatively easy game. I do think we will see Geaney and/or a few others get a chance then. Even later on, with 20 minutes to go in an AIF Peter could pull any of many experienced players off the bench to steady the ship.
On another note on a cursory glance at the internet the only other time that Kerry won a national league on Kerry soil was in 1932 when the final was in Killarney against Cork. Today's win is an important stepping stone.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Oct 24, 2020 22:05:11 GMT
I think Geaney deserves more respect. An absolutely top class footballer for many years now. At his peak when he was our main man I think he was in the top 5 players in the country. Last year he had a fantastic year and wasn’t too far away from an All Star. Since Peter Keane took over he has been asked to come back in defence a lot and he has done so and very well. A real unselfish leader of ours in my opinion who has to start if available. I’d be going for a full forward line of Geaney, Clifford and Brosnan.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2020 22:13:51 GMT
Geaney had an outstanding 2019 and reinvented his game to some extent as a result of Clifford being the main one. Having said that, he is not fit at the moment so unlikely to start.
O brien will definitely start and I think diarmuid o Connor plays wing forward. Like others I am not convinced by Foley and I think Peter Crowley struggled a bit today. However I wouldn’t be the biggest Gavin Crowley fan either.
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Post by taggert on Oct 24, 2020 22:25:48 GMT
Again, read my post. I'm not disputing PGs previous performances, I'm talking about the here and now. I suspect Peter Keane couldn't give a monkeys about the past few years - all he cares about is now and the next 2 months. I'm not forgetting his replay performance nor am I blinded by his profligacy in the drawn game where he let 2-2 after him. I stand by what I said, Paul and James best days for Kerry, at the business end, are well and truly behind them, in my opinion. Peter is forging the right balance and having in DC and TB, these are the 2 finishers in the full fwd line. Moynihan and Buckley add the graft while Seanie and Stephen can bring pace, power and carrying. I dont believe PG or JOD strengthens that unit.
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Post by mossie on Oct 25, 2020 1:27:07 GMT
Paul Geaney finished the 2019 championship very strong for kerry, different type of player in recent times to what he was a few years back
if he is fit, injury free we need him
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2020 4:28:24 GMT
Plenty on here wanted geaney and Moran dropped over the last couple of years. They will eventually be right on this.
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Post by taibhse on Oct 25, 2020 9:27:14 GMT
Jack Barry will surely start in the middle. David Moran is still our strongest ball winner. However, he has lost a lot of pace and gets dispossessed too often. I would go so far as to say he frustratingly slows down play sometimes. For the Cork game, my six forwards would be O’Connor - O’Shea – O’Brien and Brosnan – Clifford – Geaney. (assuming all are fit).
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Oct 25, 2020 9:43:06 GMT
I think I have seen David Moran dispossessed once.
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Post by Mickmack on Oct 25, 2020 9:49:10 GMT
I think I have seen David Moran dispossessed once. Taking the ball into the tackle and losing possession was a big weakness but he stopped doing that in the last few years to a big extent. Of course with Kerry a point up in injury in the drawn final he did it again. Dublin equslised frkn it.
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Post by taggert on Oct 25, 2020 10:02:38 GMT
Jack Barry will surely start in the middle. David Moran is still our strongest ball winner. However, he has lost a lot of pace and gets dispossessed too often. I would go so far as to say he frustratingly slows down play sometimes. For the Cork game, my six forwards would be O’Connor - O’Shea – O’Brien and Brosnan – Clifford – Geaney. (assuming all are fit). Keane wants higher workrate and physicality from his 6 forwards and thats why Moynihan and Buckley will start. Seanie and Clifford are bankers. TonyB looks a cert for me so that leaves Burns, Stephen and Diarmuid (if jackB gets the midfield berth) vying for the number 10 shirt. Cork is 2 weeks away and it would be both extremely difficult and risky for ANYONE to come in from the relative cold.
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Post by taibhse on Oct 25, 2020 10:40:55 GMT
I think I have seen David Moran dispossessed once. Taking the ball into the tackle and losing possession was a big weakness but he stopped doing that in the last few years to a big extent. Of course with Kerry a point up in injury in the drawn final he did it again. Dublin equslised frkn it. David has been a great servant to Kerry and he still brings a lot of ‘horsepower’ to the team. His performance against Mayo in that replay was close to the best I have ever seen. It just seems to me that lads now seem to anticipate that he is going to take a touch or two, so they will chase where they might otherwise not bother. I thought I saw that in the Tyrone game. Still our first choice midfielder.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2020 10:58:15 GMT
Moran takes responsibility, never hides and sometimes that means things goes wrong as he has to take risk . Most midfielders just hand pass the ball or kick it sideways as quickly as they can.
I know which I prefer.
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Post by peanuts on Oct 25, 2020 11:38:54 GMT
Jack Barry will surely start in the middle. David Moran is still our strongest ball winner. However, he has lost a lot of pace and gets dispossessed too often. I would go so far as to say he frustratingly slows down play sometimes. For the Cork game, my six forwards would be O’Connor - O’Shea – O’Brien and Brosnan – Clifford – Geaney. (assuming all are fit). Keane wants higher workrate and physicality from his 6 forwards and thats why Moynihan and Buckley will start. Seanie and Clifford are bankers. TonyB looks a cert for me so that leaves Burns, Stephen and Diarmuid (if jackB gets the midfield berth) vying for the number 10 shirt. Cork is 2 weeks away and it would be both extremely difficult and risky for ANYONE to come in from the relative cold. I think O’Connor will almost certainly start, whether that’s wing forward or midfield. If he starts wing forward it would probably be at the expense of Buckley.
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Post by mossie on Oct 25, 2020 12:05:08 GMT
Jack Barry will surely start in the middle. David Moran is still our strongest ball winner. However, he has lost a lot of pace and gets dispossessed too often. I would go so far as to say he frustratingly slows down play sometimes. For the Cork game, my six forwards would be O’Connor - O’Shea – O’Brien and Brosnan – Clifford – Geaney. (assuming all are fit). people used criticise Dara O'Se as well for slowing down the play
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Post by veteran on Oct 25, 2020 12:25:23 GMT
I have just read that article by Comical Joe courtesy of Mickmack. I thought that man had been put out to grass.
The comical one talks about a parallel universe in which an entire half of football passes by in Fitzgerald Stadium without David Clifford scoring from play. If David scored in Fitzgerald Stadium yesterday it would have been the greatest achievement ever recorded in sport and accordingly would justify all the hyperbole coming his way.
As for the hype impacting on David, water of a duck’s back I expect. On the other hand it may discommode some teammates.
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Post by greengold35 on Oct 25, 2020 12:28:04 GMT
Jack Barry will surely start in the middle. David Moran is still our strongest ball winner. However, he has lost a lot of pace and gets dispossessed too often. I would go so far as to say he frustratingly slows down play sometimes. For the Cork game, my six forwards would be O’Connor - O’Shea – O’Brien and Brosnan – Clifford – Geaney. (assuming all are fit). people used criticise Dara O'Se as well for slowing down the play Possession is 9/10ths of the law - given the defensive structures that most teams now employ , quick ball from midfield /half back is much tougher to execute now than, say, 8/10 years ago; David Moran is still one of the best kick passers we have given the opportunity.
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Post by trevor73 on Oct 25, 2020 14:19:14 GMT
Delighted with the performance especially the work rate. We don’t look as porous in defence and if we can solve that we are a match for anybody. Pace and fitness is so important and Gavin White makes a huge difference. Tony Brosnan and David Clifford in the same forward line is magical. We keep producing forwards of the utmost class. I’d always be wary of Cork but if we can’t beat them then we are not good enough to win an all Ireland.
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Post by Chinatown on Oct 26, 2020 8:56:36 GMT
I feel like we have more strength in the forward line, anyone could be converted to half back line. Often think Stephen OB would be a nightmare at W back for any w forward. That said would we be exposed
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Post by taibhse on Oct 26, 2020 10:25:15 GMT
I feel like we have more strength in the forward line, anyone could be converted to half back line. Often think Stephen OB would be a nightmare at W back for any w forward. That said would we be exposed Stephen definitely has the engine to play wing back, but he lacks the technique of how to tackle correctly and has picked up a few cards in that respect during his career. He does his share of the work but not a defender by nature.
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