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Post by Mickmack on Aug 19, 2020 18:13:40 GMT
Kieran Shannon: Token gestures do little to build trust
Yesterday, the Government and NPHET introduced a range of measures that obviously indicated that the country needs to up its game more when it comes to dealing with the threat of Covid. Picture: Brendan Moran/Sportsfile
WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 19, 2020 - 06:34 AM KIERAN SHANNON There’s a substantial difference between symbolism and tokenism.
Symbolism is meaningful. It signifies and represents a value, an idea, an ideal. Done right, it can be powerful, even beautiful. Profound.
Tokenism is something shallow. Hollow. Just ticking the box. Or, to be blunt about it, covering ass.
Sport has long appreciated the importance of symbolism, and how symbolic it itself can be. It has particularly understood that with the advent of Covid-19, at least in this country.
In March, the biggest sporting organisation in this country didn’t just shut down all games and training ahead of the Government’s lockdown but offered its main stadium, Croke Park, as a testing centre. Its clubs shopped and looked out for the more vulnerable members of its community. As the man once said, ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country. Or, as we believed at the time, we’re all in this together.
Yesterday, the Government and NPHET introduced a range of measures that obviously indicated that the country needs to up its game more when it comes to dealing with the threat of Covid.
But too many of them smacked of tokenism, not least its decision to ban spectators being present at outdoor sporting fixtures.
The rationale behind the previous limit on spectators at outdoor events had been rather hazy as it was. Over the past month, you could have 200 people at your daughter’s local U14 camogie match at a small clubfield – and no more than that in Semple Stadium, the Gaelic Grounds and Páirc Uí Chaoimh which used to be able to house over 40,000 people.
Learn more You’d have thought they could have done something like having a Venue A which could have no more than 200 people (your typical clubfield), maybe 400 at a small-sized county ground, and maybe 500 at a facility that can hold 20,000-plus.
But now there is a blanket ban on everyone. Last night, parents at that underage camogie game didn’t even know if they could watch it. If they were with the away team, were they supposed to wait in the car?
Again, sport would be happy to play its part if it felt we were all in this together. If they could see that such actions really helped. But people are sceptical. And rightly so.
A sensible, acceptable measure would have been to insist that everyone attending a public gathering has to wear a face mask. Even if the event is outdoors. It would have triggered an extra vigilance about the importance of social distancing, something that had become more lax, including at sporting events, even though there has been no evidence of transmission from people attending sporting gatherings.
If there was such data and evidence, then no one would object to what the Government announced yesterday on NPHET’s advice. No one would object to wearing a face mask and socially distancing four, six, 10 metres even in the absence of such evidence. But as Professor Jack Lambert of UCD, a consultant in infectious diseases, told The Last Word on Today FM yesterday, the Government are merely responding to numbers. Playing sport behind closed doors will not reduce the transmission of Covid. The real causes, the real clusters, are far removed from sport.
In March, the biggest sporting organisation in this country didn’t just shut down all games and training ahead of the Government’s lockdown but offered its main stadium, Croke Park, as a testing centre.
In March, the biggest sporting organisation in this country didn’t just shut down all games and training ahead of the Government’s lockdown but offered its main stadium, Croke Park, as a testing centre.
Very early on in this crisis, the real causes, the real clusters, were identified. Direct provision. Inadequate – and often inhumane – working conditions in such places as some meat factories. Yet little was done. Certainly not enough was done. And more needs to be done in those areas, and in providing a proper health service system: even now, after all those platitudes and candles lit back in the spring, we still do not truly value – and pay – our health workers. But going after sport does not make their job any easier. Instead it smacks of being a smokescreen to cover for the Government’s ineptitude to address those areas and a faulty test tracing process.
There are so many other inconsistencies with the Government’s and NPHET’s guidelines. So 30 people can play a game but only 15 can train? And does indoor sport just give up altogether? At least until September 13?
In doing away with crowds, the Government has lost some of the crowd. In playing to the galleries, it hast lost the gallery. In displaying such tokenism, it has revealed a certain symbolism: they don’t know what they’re at. You can fool some of the people…..
Covid is too serious to try to fool anyone about.
People’s adherence to public health measures had been out of a sense of collectivism more than self-interest: we’re in this together. And it has been out of trust. But now some of that trust has been eroded.
Sport may not be classified as an essential service, even though it is an industry in itself and indirectly affects other industries, including the media, which this paper and column is in. It certainly is not seen as an essential cabinet ministry, otherwise there wouldn’t be such ambiguity and confusion about yesterday evening’s new measures. But yesterday’s press conference brought to mind the famous yarn told in Brendan Ó hEithir’s Over the Bar where Sean MacBride bemoaned the lack of numbers and attentiveness at an IRA meeting in 1936.
When informed that it clashed with an All Ireland semi-final, he grumbled whether a football match could be more important than the future of the Irish Republic, prompting Máirtin Ó Cadhain to surmise, “I knew then he would never do any good in politics because he did not understand Ireland.”
So far, NPHET and the Government have done a reasonable job at handling the Covid-crisis, in no small part because of the role of sporting organisations in this country, like the GAA. But yesterday made you wonder if anyone in NPHET has ever been at a club match, and if they have ever conducted a training session.
Sport will play its part for the team. But don’t subject it to tokenism.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 19, 2020 18:20:08 GMT
Update: GAA hopes online streaming of games can continue but awaits clarification Parents of underage GAA players have been told they can still attend their child’s games Update: GAA hopes online streaming of games can continue but awaits clarification WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 19, 2020 - 14:32 PM EOGHAN CORMICAN Updated: 4.40pm
The GAA has told county boards that it hopes the live streaming of matches can continue to take place.
Tuesday's added restrictions to combat the spread of Covid-19 require all games be played without crowds present.
The GAA has already clarified that will mean a limit of 40 representatives from each club involved in a match.
But in a note sent to county boards today, the GAA says it will make the case that the attendance of personnel to stream the games online should be facilitated.
The note, seen by the Irish Examiner, read: "We are awaiting clarity on a number of issues around yesterday's government announcement (26 counties).
"Until such a time as we get contrary evidence, media/streaming can be facilitated. This may be subject to change but will be making a case that it doesn't given the added importance of having games covered that have no supporters present.
"We hope to have a holding position for clubs soon and I will share it with you all."
Earlier, the association told parents of underage GAA players that they can still attend their child’s games.
A note from the GAA, LGFA, and Camogie Association to clubs this afternoon said that until such time as clarification is provided on the issue of parents attending juvenile games, “we suggest that one parent or guardian may attend a game where they consider it necessary for the welfare of their own child”.
This advice will come as welcome news to county board officers in several counties given the raft of underage fixtures across the country scheduled for this evening and the lack of clarity as to whether parents could accompany their children to these games following yesterday’s Government announcement that all sporting fixtures must be played behind-closed-doors until September 13.
Among those games scheduled for this evening is the Waterford minor A hurling final between Ballygunner and Abbeyside at Fraher Field and while this game is being live-streamed, the correspondence from Croke Park means parents can now attend such a fixture.
For adult fixtures, the limit is 40 persons per team.
The note read: “Following last night’s government announcement, the GAA is seeking clarification on a number of issues relating to the organisation of our Gaelic Games and activities (26 Counties). As soon as we get clarity on these issues we will update our units.
"In the meantime, as games must now be played "behind closed doors", no more than 40 persons per team should be allowed access to games for the moment. This figure should include all players, management, coaches, ancillary backroom personnel and team officials. The 80 team personnel (40 per team) is in addition to essential match day personnel such as Match officials (Referees, Linesmen, Umpires), Media and event officials (stewards etc)."
It added:
"Cul Camps and team training should continue for the moment on the basis of no more than 15 people (including coaches) in a designated area of the field.
"As ever, the Association asks units and members to do their utmost to protect public health and we are very grateful for all of your efforts in this regard."
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Post by buck02 on Aug 19, 2020 19:48:05 GMT
Talk about adding to the confusion.
So if you have a 16 year old playing a game, a parent can go and watch the game.
But if you have an 18 year old playing, the parent cannot go and watch the game.
As an aside, I stumbled across a Down championship game on tg4 last weekend. I think it was being played in Newry. Now I know they are allowed more (400?) in games up the North. Well the 400 here were all squashed into the one section of the stand, between the two 65s. Absolutely no social distancing at all. I wonder what the stewards were there for.
I hope our friends in NPHET weren't watching that and it gave them an idea. Although I'd say the evening last weekend those lads and lassies in NPHET were probably in some fancy restaurant having a meal costing substially more than €9 to go along with their €100 bottle of wine.
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Aug 19, 2020 23:48:25 GMT
I am wary of wading into a debate about Covid. I have no problem with the government re-introducing or tweaking restrictions. I think the issue surrouds the obvious contrdictions in the advice. Sports beind closed doors but indoor weddigs etc.
However, I was very disappointed by the reaction of the GAA fraternity as a whole. The terse statement issued on twitter amounted to a personal call out of Dr Ronan Glynn. Even looking at some stuff today there was some club chairman giving out that the GAA opened grounds for drive in testing and this is how we are repaid.
7 clusters have resulted from spectators at sporting events according to newstalk this evening. If even 1 of those is from a GAA match then that is one too many. Also whatever measures are taken they have to be blanket and universal and not sport specific. Even at the time few weeks ago I was bemused to see the GAA they should get a special exemption and 500 spectators be allowed attend.
If numbers continue to climb or remain high I have no problem with games behind closed doors. I would go as far as to say I have no problem with both club and county for 2020 being written off if thats what it takes to rid ourselves of this wretched virus.
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Post by john4 on Aug 20, 2020 0:22:52 GMT
They could have left it at 200 spectators, with the stipulation that every spectator must wear a facemask. People would wear them.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 20, 2020 7:26:07 GMT
GAA’s blunt response to new Covid-19 advice reflects frustration
Seán Moran: Some feel like the association has now been blindsided by NPHET twice
Seán Moran
The GAA, like other sports bodies, is trying to finalise the impact of this week’s coronavirus restrictions by the Government on their activities. That, to an extent, is the problem. There are too many ambiguities in the simple order to play matches behind closed doors.
The anomalies have come thick and fast. People are allowed watch broadcasts of matches indoors in pubs but not sit out in the open air to watch games. Then there was word from the Department of Arts and Culture that outdoor events such as concerts and open-air theatre would still be able to retain the old attendance limit of 200.
“Don’t tell me that,” said one GAA official wearily, presumably unimpressed with the idea that such cultural happenings could hardly take place with no audience.
On Wednesday the association moved to clarify aspects of the new Government restrictions and recommended that one parent or guardian be allowed attend their child’s juvenile matches – an issue that had been causing confusion.
“While we await further clarification on the issue of parents attending juvenile games,” runs the association’s communique, “we suggest that one parent or guardian may attend a game where they consider it necessary for the welfare of their own child.”
By Wednesday night there was still confusion over what the Government policy on this issue would be, even though the association’s suggestion is in line with Tusla guidelines.
Blunt response As an exercise in communication, this has all been a bit of a disaster, and the GAA’s blunt response on Tuesday night in all but demanding that the State’s acting chief medical officer produce the “empirical evidence” that supported the National Public Health Emergency Team’s (NPHET) recommendation that the association curtail its match days didn’t help the situation.
It’s possible to have every sympathy for Dr Ronan Glynn as he grapples with a resurgent pandemic, but the messaging between NPHET and the Government hasn’t been sufficiently clear.
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There has been for the first time a definite rumbling that restrictions are becoming harder to sell to a public weary after six months of restrictions and anxiety.
In the circumstances, there needed to be better communication. Talking privately, GAA sources say they have been frustrated at the lack of engagement from the public health authorities.
One said that the association has been diligently doing everything asked of it and more, but had been blindsided twice now by NPHET recommendations: the first time a couple of weeks back when the hoped-for and anticipated (a Government official had confirmed as much) increase in maximum crowd size to 500 didn’t materialise, and the second time this week when even the old limit of 200 was removed.
All along the GAA’s Covid-19 Advisory Group has cautiously guided the association in the light of NPHET recommendations, and everyone had been on the same page.
The scalded tone of the request that the restrictions be explained reflects the need to be able to brief counties and volunteers on the need for measures, which is a necessary part of the “buy in” process.
Not unsympathetic Dr Glynn, who is not seen as unsympathetic to the games, having a GAA background from growing up in Claregalway and playing football, explained in a Department of Health video, which came out on Wednesday: “We’ve all seen cases in clusters linked to sporting activities, but of more concern to our public health doctors on the ground has been the number of contacts that have had to be followed up . . . as a result of socialisation around sporting activity, house parties, other social engagements and car sharing.”
Earlier on Wednesday, Minister for Communications and Green Party leader Eamon Ryan had been asked about the restrictions by Sarah McInerney on RTÉ Radio 1’s Today programme.
“The Cabinet got a similar update yesterday [Tuesday] and it’s all over the country,” he said. “Every county in the last two weeks has seen some sort of incidence. Going on memory there were about seven instances, clusters, connected to sporting events. It’s not just the match . . .
“There are health benefits around sport, and you want that, but what the health people seem to be saying – and they’re judging it as best they can, quickly – is that there is an increasing instance around sporting events, not just the event itself but the ‘before and after’, and to minimise that risk, we should restrict it to ‘behind closed doors’.”
From the GAA’s perspective this, however, is news. The association logs all of the Covid scares in the clubs and, with the tight supply of tickets, it’s impossible to imagine that non-club members would have been in attendance at events.
Another official made the point that if NPHET had data indicating a link between GAA matches and clusters of infection, could the association not have been told about it – as it would mean match-day protocols needed to be reviewed.
When asked about what many saw as the needlessly aggressive statement from the GAA on Tuesday, a different source said that it was a straightforward request that had been misinterpreted as belligerent, and that if it was a bit blunt, this was because getting NPHET’s attention has not been easy.
To an extent matters can be expected to simmer down. Club fixtures will go ahead this weekend, with Wexford hurling staging the first county final on Sunday.
It is to be hoped that what has been seen as less than ideal communication from Government and what has been seen as a petulant response – calling out Dr Glynn by name – can be addressed quickly, and both parties move on in confronting what is most importantly a public health crisis.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 20, 2020 7:27:16 GMT
Dr Glynn from Claregalway has a GAA background. I wouldnt want his job for any money.
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Post by southward on Aug 20, 2020 8:53:18 GMT
They could have left it at 200 spectators, with the stipulation that every spectator must wear a facemask. People would wear them. Count me out of that one. Not saying I'd break the law, I just wouldn't go if facemasks were required. No enjoyment in that; miserable, depressing things.
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Post by john4 on Aug 20, 2020 9:12:18 GMT
They could have left it at 200 spectators, with the stipulation that every spectator must wear a facemask. People would wear them. Count me out of that one. Not saying I'd break the law, I just wouldn't go if facemasks were required. No enjoyment in that; miserable, depressing things. You only need your eyes to watch a football match. You're not going anyway, spectators will not allowed. But there are those who would tolerate the masks for an hour. I wear 1 for 8 hours per day otherwise I won't get paid!! These are the trade-offs.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2020 9:42:50 GMT
While we are all frustrated and perhaps the GAA feel they have been blind sighted at times, I am not sure why they feel NPHET should be consulting with them more. Fianna Fail, the church and the GAA were the traditional bedrocks of Irish society. Two of them are no longer that and while the GAA holds a special place still, it is in no position to be demanding special treatment given pretty much every facet of Irish society has been impacted.
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Post by southward on Aug 20, 2020 9:48:57 GMT
Count me out of that one. Not saying I'd break the law, I just wouldn't go if facemasks were required. No enjoyment in that; miserable, depressing things. You only need your eyes to watch a football match. You're not going anyway, spectators will not allowed. But there are those who would tolerate the masks for an hour. I wear 1 for 8 hours per day otherwise I won't get paid!! These are the trade-offs. Fair enough. You have to go to work just like you have to buy food. Football is recreation though; it's about enjoyment and excitement, not about tolerating things. I couldn't enjoy anything wearing one of those yokes so no thanks. Good luck to anyone that fancies it but it's not for me.
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Post by onlykerry on Aug 20, 2020 11:54:43 GMT
7 clusters have resulted from spectators at sporting events according to newstalk this evening. If even 1 of those is from a GAA match then that is one too many. Also whatever measures are taken they have to be blanket and universal and not sport specific. Even at the time few weeks ago I was bemused to see the GAA they should get a special exemption and 500 spectators be allowed attend. If true this give some basis for the decision - publishing the information on which decisions are based would go a long way towards improving societal acceptance. What most people find frustrating is the apparent randomness of the decisions we are being asked to accept in good faith and obediently comply with. We live in an educated society where people think for themselves not a totalitarian country where we obey every government decree. You can temper peoples dissapointments and frustration if you explain yourself.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Aug 20, 2020 18:08:43 GMT
This is the first I heard that sports resulted in a Corvid case and as such there is little option. I suppose the reality is that we might all take the chance and car-share, and then there are those cooked up without transport and someone offers 'em a lift!
In theory you could have thousands at a game as not alone is it outdoors but there is plenty of space to social distance.
The worry is that confusion has those lacking presence of mind and/or indeed consideration for others, taking chances in the belief that 'it couldn't happen to me' and then they unknowingly become a vital link in the spread of this cursed thing. As someone said, 'the virus doesn't move, people do', and carry it with them!
Granted the chance may be small but the price is too high to take it.
That one can have it and now know (i.e. asymptomatic) is probably the greatest fear, again smaller chance but catastrophic consequences.
Temperatures falling will now have the damm thing rampant again facing into a winter. Still generations of old faced worse and look all the great things they did, the benefit of which we have today so in that respect we need to toughen up here.
The over-riding message is urgency over perfection - stop picking holes in government messages, they are only trying to protect us and all such persuasions know that. You might not like some politicians but they are telling us what they are telling their own families. We are all in this together and our lives are at stake - I think the vast majority are using there discretion and basic cop-on, and that is how we will win, when everybody does just that.
The main reason I go to lengths here is that I am tired of hearing minor media celebrities picking holes in common sense, leading the less informed further astray. I read one particular such 'expert' account and it was itself riddled with contradiction, making all matter of ridiculous assumption and then claiming to have solved numerous eventualities - if anyone followed such ideology we would all be gonners! Such 'experts' are blinded by their own personal ambitions, liking the sound of their own loud voice while not giving a 5h1t about you or me!
The hope is that a cure will be found and sooner rather than later, and things will be back to some form of normality.
Stay safe everybody.
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Post by kingdomofciar on Aug 20, 2020 19:43:58 GMT
Stay safe from the insanity.
The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help.
Stopping people from attending Gaa games(any games)in small numbers doesn't make any sense.
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Post by rollingstone on Aug 20, 2020 20:47:17 GMT
Mandad and Annascaul
As with previous posts, you completely ignore the facts I presented and fail to answer the very GAA specific question I asked you. Ignorance is bliss I guess.
Is it normal, reasonable or proportional that our club have now been forced to tell non-coaching parents that they now have to drop their young children off pitch side for matches and training but must return to their cars and not watch? It has come to the stage where parents are no longer allowed to congregate and watch their children play/train following the latest round of BS announced by the government. You might think it is acceptable but I certainly don’t and can’t understand how anyone would. Ditto what they’re doing to spectators for adult matches.
It is not normal and obviously does not make any sense and I wish people would stop carrying on as if it is.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 20, 2020 20:50:27 GMT
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 20, 2020 22:09:25 GMT
Is it normal, reasonable or proportional that our club have now been forced to tell non-coaching parents that they now have to drop their young children off pitch side for matches and training but must return to their cars and not watch? Its amazing that your club is going further with restrictions than NYPHET instruct.
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Post by sullyschoice on Aug 20, 2020 22:32:07 GMT
The alternative to some temporary restrictions to try and keep a lid on the recent case increases would be a return to square one.
I will gladly accept the advice of epidemiologists and virologists over disgruntled unqualified individuals whether they have agendas or are just anti everything.
If I had something wrong with the electrics in my house I would call an electrician, not someone who watched some video on Youtube
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Post by Aodhan on Aug 21, 2020 0:04:16 GMT
The alternative to some temporary restrictions to try and keep a lid on the recent case increases would be a return to square one. I will gladly accept the advice of epidemiologists and virologists over disgruntled unqualified individuals whether they have agendas or are just anti everything. If I had something wrong with the electrics in my house I would call an electrician, not someone who watched some video on Youtube Does anti-corruption count or should we all turn a blind eye?
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Post by buck02 on Aug 21, 2020 7:17:23 GMT
The alternative to some temporary restrictions to try and keep a lid on the recent case increases would be a return to square one. I will gladly accept the advice of epidemiologists and virologists over disgruntled unqualified individuals whether they have agendas or are just anti everything. If I had something wrong with the electrics in my house I would call an electrician, not someone who watched some video on Youtube If the electrician was barely finished his apprenticeship and doing the opposite that what electricians all over Europe were doing then maybe I'd think twice about calling him.
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Post by sullyschoice on Aug 21, 2020 7:34:06 GMT
The alternative to some temporary restrictions to try and keep a lid on the recent case increases would be a return to square one. I will gladly accept the advice of epidemiologists and virologists over disgruntled unqualified individuals whether they have agendas or are just anti everything. If I had something wrong with the electrics in my house I would call an electrician, not someone who watched some video on Youtube Does anti-corruption count or should we all turn a blind eye? You've lost me now.
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Post by sullyschoice on Aug 21, 2020 8:29:58 GMT
The alternative to some temporary restrictions to try and keep a lid on the recent case increases would be a return to square one. I will gladly accept the advice of epidemiologists and virologists over disgruntled unqualified individuals whether they have agendas or are just anti everything. If I had something wrong with the electrics in my house I would call an electrician, not someone who watched some video on Youtube If the electrician was barely finished his apprenticeship and doing the opposite that what electricians all over Europe were doing then maybe I'd think twice about calling him. I dont think any of the medics are newly qualified
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Post by rollingstone on Aug 21, 2020 8:46:03 GMT
Is it normal, reasonable or proportional that our club have now been forced to tell non-coaching parents that they now have to drop their young children off pitch side for matches and training but must return to their cars and not watch? Its amazing that your club is going further with restrictions than NYPHET instruct. It’s a constantly moving target Mick and short of copying and pasting the messages on here there’s not much more I can do to prove it to you. I am not posting for dramatic effect and unfortunately there will be many on here familiar with what I describe. Government guidance says under 11s shouldn’t wear masks yet I see them everywhere with them
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Post by goonised on Aug 21, 2020 10:02:13 GMT
Its amazing that your club is going further with restrictions than NYPHET instruct. It’s a constantly moving target Mick and short of copying and pasting the messages on here there’s not much more I can do to prove it to you. I am not posting for dramatic effect and unfortunately there will be many on here familiar with what I describe. Government guidance says under 11s shouldn’t wear masks yet I see them everywhere with them Bottom line is they haven't a clue. I think the carry on by the politicians in Clifden proves,its not being taken seriously.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 21, 2020 10:16:19 GMT
Its amazing that your club is going further with restrictions than NYPHET instruct. It’s a constantly moving target Mick and short of copying and pasting the messages on here there’s not much more I can do to prove it to you. I am not posting for dramatic effect and unfortunately there will be many on here familiar with what I describe. Government guidance says under 11s shouldn’t wear masks yet I see them everywhere with them One of two things arises. 1..your club is going further than NYPHET guidelines or 2..you were not aware that clarification on parents attending had been issued when you put up that post yesterday. Number 1 is a concern from child safety perspective Number 2 is understandable.. its hard to keep up.
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Post by onlykerry on Aug 21, 2020 10:36:30 GMT
The alternative to some temporary restrictions to try and keep a lid on the recent case increases would be a return to square one. I will gladly accept the advice of epidemiologists and virologists over disgruntled unqualified individuals whether they have agendas or are just anti everything. If I had something wrong with the electrics in my house I would call an electrician, not someone who watched some video on Youtube And if the electrician said you need to re-wire the whole house and live in a tent in the garden for the foreseeable future until the job is done would you seek an explaination or just do what he advises?
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Post by clubman on Aug 21, 2020 12:22:30 GMT
It’s a constantly moving target Mick and short of copying and pasting the messages on here there’s not much more I can do to prove it to you. I am not posting for dramatic effect and unfortunately there will be many on here familiar with what I describe. Government guidance says under 11s shouldn’t wear masks yet I see them everywhere with them One of two things arises. 1..your club is going further than NYPHET guidelines or 2..you were not aware that clarification on parents attending had been issued when you put up that post yesterday. Number 1 is a concern from child safety perspective Number 2 is understandable.. its hard to keep up. Sorry but the ocd in me bothered by the incorrect spelling of NPHET. Did i miss something from the government clarifying that parents could attend. I thought the GAA had asked for clarification or to allow 1 parent but there hasnt been a response yet has there?
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 21, 2020 12:30:58 GMT
One of two things arises. 1..your club is going further than NYPHET guidelines or 2..you were not aware that clarification on parents attending had been issued when you put up that post yesterday. Number 1 is a concern from child safety perspective Number 2 is understandable.. its hard to keep up. Sorry but the ocd in me bothered by the incorrect spelling of NPHET. Did i miss something from the government clarifying that parents could attend. I thought the GAA had asked for clarification or to allow 1 parent but there hasnt been a response yet has there? www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaa-recommends-one-parent-or-guardian-attend-juvenile-matches-1.4334093?mode=amp
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Post by clubman on Aug 21, 2020 12:36:08 GMT
I read that earlier, did anyone from the government actually respond to the requests or is it just what the gaa want to happen? I spose the government are up to their eyeballs in it these days so we might be waiting a while...
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Post by rollingstone on Aug 21, 2020 16:10:44 GMT
It’s a constantly moving target Mick and short of copying and pasting the messages on here there’s not much more I can do to prove it to you. I am not posting for dramatic effect and unfortunately there will be many on here familiar with what I describe. Government guidance says under 11s shouldn’t wear masks yet I see them everywhere with them One of two things arises. 1..your club is going further than NYPHET guidelines or 2..you were not aware that clarification on parents attending had been issued when you put up that post yesterday. Number 1 is a concern from child safety perspective Number 2 is understandable.. its hard to keep up. It'll be number 2 Mick. I dare say the clubs involved in the match in question were erring on the side of caution in advance of clarification. It's hard to blame them when the announcements come thick and fast and make no obvious sense. You're so right, it's very hard to keep up with it all. I also saw the more "do as I say not as I do" antics by government ministers as well. You really couldn't make it up at this stage.
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