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Post by mossie on Nov 21, 2022 19:24:19 GMT
hurlingman Crotta were also the most consistent team in the county hurling league in 2022 but for some reason didnt play the final v abbeydorney To win the NK championship after 21 years might give them the spur to win the county senior title after 55 years! Won the under 21 title in 2022 as well so all the indicators are positive If they lose Barry Mahony to the kerry footballers though it would be a setback though great win for Ballyheigue in the NK under final too Were Abbeydorney awarded that title? Make no sense whatsoever that it wasn't just refixed for another date. Yes O'Dorney were awarded the title, I dont why Crotta couldnt field and why no re-fixture so I cant really comment |
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Post by mossie on Nov 21, 2022 19:27:52 GMT
good win for Dr Crokes in the south kerry championship final
bit of a fillip for them to win it, senior hurling in the county competitions was a bit hot for them at times so this was a good way to end the season for them beating Kilgarvan in the semi final and kenmare in the final
a boost for those pushing on hurling in the Crokes
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Post by percentageplay on Jan 2, 2023 7:43:08 GMT
I see crokes have announced Aidan O'Mahony as the manager of their senior hurling team.... Sure to raise a few eyebrows!
Crokes appear to be investing in their senior squad with this appointment.
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Post by kerryexile5 on Jan 2, 2023 13:08:23 GMT
I see crokes have announced Aidan O'Mahony as the manager of their senior hurling team.... Sure to raise a few eyebrows! Crokes appear to be investing in their senior squad with this appointment. I saw him at one or two of new adult Rathmores hurling matches last year and I actually felt he would of been a good man to manage the Rathmore hurlers to give them some insight into higher standards etc. He is well tuned into on the fitness and S&C side of things so presuming they will have a separate hurling coach, from a management side of things it could be great for Crokes. Gives them a bit of added profile in the Kerry SHC now aswel. The likes of Kilmoyley have always had massive profile managers like John Meyler & Anthony Daly. |
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Post by hurlingman on Jan 2, 2023 14:37:20 GMT
Any word on if Kilgarvan will be playing in the senior championship this year?
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Post by mossie on Jan 2, 2023 15:02:40 GMT
Mahony was involved with the Dr Crokes hurlers in 2022 on the fitness side so he is not new to them
Still, I would have expected Aidan to be managing a football club team somewhere in the county so this hurling route is interesting
Dr Crokes have been strengthening their senior hurling panel, a few very good hurlers from more traditional hurling counties living and working in Killarney & East Kerry have joined them in recent seasons. Conor Bohane, Mark Heffernan and Vincent Doyle are serious hurlers. Mike Milner from Cork is with them for years, has huge experience in hurling and football and focusing on hurling last few seasons. They also have good home grown hurlers like the Lenihans, Tom Doyle who have played hurling with Kerry at under age and the present Kerry under 20 hurling squad has a few Dr Crokes lads on it like Charlie Keating, Nathian Doncel, Brian O'Connor.
It gets forgotten Killarney has a bit of hurling tradition, the old Killarney hurling club won 3 county minor hurling championships in the 1950s and a senior hurling championship in 1969. After they lost the senior hurling championship final in 1970, the club went defunct in early 1970s which was a spectacular collaspe. Dr Crokes players were centrally involved in the old Killarney hurling clubsuccesses so Crokes have had an association with hurling. There was actually no hurling team @ all in Killarney or East Kerry for the best part of 10 years until st pats east kerry formed in 1983 and then Crokes a few years later when they had enough numbers of their own started their own team
How strong can Dr Crokes be in senior hurling in 2023? They have taken a few trimmings since they went senior in 2021 but there has been a win or two in the county league and north kerry championship and only lost by a point to Abbeydorney in the 2021 county championship. They may have got some additional players who have come to live in their area to strengthen their hand and they have a few young players coming through. It is not impossible that they could cause a few surprises in 2023. All said, it really is great to have a senior hurling club in the competitions from outside North Kerry, just the 8 senior teams in north kerry had become really stale
Crokes are also fielding a junior adult team last two seasons which is a healthy sign
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Post by mossie on Jan 2, 2023 15:24:06 GMT
Any word on if Kilgarvan will be playing in the senior championship this year? No word have a few serious hurlers but am not sure they have a big enough panel to be honest for senior Going up a grade in both football and hurling with a panel only 21 players ( almost all dual) is a tall order Donal O'Sullivan if he is with kerry senior footballers would not be available for the senior hurling championship and without him and if a few players go travelling, get injured, senior could go badly wrong for them tough choice for them, they may have their eye on the munster junior club championship , stay intermediate in kerry, win t again and have another cut off the munster junior hurling A Kenmare district team at senior would be interesting backboned by Kilgarvan with a half dozen or so from Kenmare. It gets around the tight panel issue Kilgarvan have , kenmare and kilgarvan play together in hurling underage pretty much from under 15 upwards, they should work together at adult in the senior championship |
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Post by kerryexile5 on Jan 3, 2023 1:39:01 GMT
Any word on if Kilgarvan will be playing in the senior championship this year? Can’t see it, footballing is the stumbling block. I think the aim would be to have Tralee Parnells to win intermediate and go up Senior in 2024 and you have a 10 team SHC. The 8 North Kerry hurling parishes A Killarney hurling team A Tralee hurling team Close up shop and even if Crokes and Parnells are not winning no relegation, sure I think Ballyheigue went about 10 years without winning a single match up until this year which is madness when you think of it. |
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Post by hurlingman on Jan 3, 2023 6:47:05 GMT
Any word on if Kilgarvan will be playing in the senior championship this year? No word have a few serious hurlers but am not sure they have a big enough panel to be honest for senior Going up a grade in both football and hurling with a panel only 21 players ( almost all dual) is a tall order Donal O'Sullivan if he is with kerry senior footballers would not be available for the senior hurling championship and without him and if a few players go travelling, get injured, senior could go badly wrong for them tough choice for them, they may have their eye on the munster junior club championship , stay intermediate in kerry, win t again and have another cut off the munster junior hurling A Kenmare district team at senior would be interesting backboned by Kilgarvan with a half dozen or so from Kenmare. It gets around the tight panel issue Kilgarvan have , kenmare and kilgarvan play together in hurling underage pretty much from under 15 upwards, they should work together at adult in the senior championship I've long felt there should be divisional teams in the championship. Kenmare and Kilgarvan as South Kerry, St Pats and Rathmore could be East Kerry etc While I'm not sure if it's true or not but I've heard the North Kerry teams wouldn't allow it. Saying South Kerry players can't play in both senior and intermediate. This despite the fact in the past they'd lads on the Kerry panel playing with their own Intermediate teams. |
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Post by hurlingman on Jan 3, 2023 6:48:23 GMT
Any word on if Kilgarvan will be playing in the senior championship this year? Can’t see it, footballing is the stumbling block. I think the aim would be to have Tralee Parnells to win intermediate and go up Senior in 2024 and you have a 10 team SHC. The 8 North Kerry hurling parishes A Killarney hurling team A Tralee hurling team Close up shop and even if Crokes and Parnells are not winning no relegation, sure I think Ballyheigue went about 10 years without winning a single match up until this year which is madness when you think of it. To be fair with Ballyheigue a few years ago they wanted to drop down to Intermediate but the CB wouldn't let them. |
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Post by givehimaball on Jan 3, 2023 10:34:36 GMT
I've long felt there should be divisional teams in the championship. Kenmare and Kilgarvan as South Kerry, St Pats and Rathmore could be East Kerry etc While I'm not sure if it's true or not but I've heard the North Kerry teams wouldn't allow it. Saying South Kerry players can't play in both senior and intermediate. This despite the fact in the past they'd lads on the Kerry panel playing with their own Intermediate teams. Yeah I think there was talk of a South Kerry hurling team a few years back and the North Kerry clubs shot it down. |
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Post by hurlingman on Jan 3, 2023 21:52:56 GMT
I've long felt there should be divisional teams in the championship. Kenmare and Kilgarvan as South Kerry, St Pats and Rathmore could be East Kerry etc While I'm not sure if it's true or not but I've heard the North Kerry teams wouldn't allow it. Saying South Kerry players can't play in both senior and intermediate. This despite the fact in the past they'd lads on the Kerry panel playing with their own Intermediate teams. Yeah I think there was talk of a South Kerry hurling team a few years back and the North Kerry clubs shot it down. It's probably 10 years ago now but Kenmare/Kilgarvan played in the senior championship but were well beaten. Didn't feild a team after that as they couldn't play in the Intermediate. |
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Post by mossie on Jan 3, 2023 22:14:38 GMT
Yeah I think there was talk of a South Kerry hurling team a few years back and the North Kerry clubs shot it down. It's probably 10 years ago now but Kenmare/Kilgarvan played in the senior championship but were well beaten. Didn't feild a team after that as they couldn't play in the Intermediate. Are you sure about the NK clubs shooting it down? it is not the NK clubs decision, it is a co board decision so NK clubs can be overruled If divisional teams are allowed play in the senior football championship and their constituents club continue to play intermediate\junior, surely the same is allowed in hurling? |
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Post by mossie on Jan 3, 2023 22:20:11 GMT
No word have a few serious hurlers but am not sure they have a big enough panel to be honest for senior Going up a grade in both football and hurling with a panel only 21 players ( almost all dual) is a tall order Donal O'Sullivan if he is with kerry senior footballers would not be available for the senior hurling championship and without him and if a few players go travelling, get injured, senior could go badly wrong for them tough choice for them, they may have their eye on the munster junior club championship , stay intermediate in kerry, win t again and have another cut off the munster junior hurling A Kenmare district team at senior would be interesting backboned by Kilgarvan with a half dozen or so from Kenmare. It gets around the tight panel issue Kilgarvan have , kenmare and kilgarvan play together in hurling underage pretty much from under 15 upwards, they should work together at adult in the senior championship I've long felt there should be divisional teams in the championship. Kenmare and Kilgarvan as South Kerry, St Pats and Rathmore could be East Kerry etc While I'm not sure if it's true or not but I've heard the North Kerry teams wouldn't allow it. Saying South Kerry players can't play in both senior and intermediate. This despite the fact in the past they'd lads on the Kerry panel playing with their own Intermediate teams. St Pats and Rathmore wouldnt have any chance of putting together a senior team between them at present. Pats struggled to field at adult in 2022 when Rathmore left them and formed their own Rathmore team. In the long run I expect Rathmore will get stronger at hurling, they have good numbers underage, Crokes might not always stay senior. In that instance, there would be a case for East Kerry Divisional team in the hurling made up of Crokes, Rathmore and St Pats |
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Post by kerryexile5 on Jan 3, 2023 22:50:25 GMT
I've long felt there should be divisional teams in the championship. Kenmare and Kilgarvan as South Kerry, St Pats and Rathmore could be East Kerry etc While I'm not sure if it's true or not but I've heard the North Kerry teams wouldn't allow it. Saying South Kerry players can't play in both senior and intermediate. This despite the fact in the past they'd lads on the Kerry panel playing with their own Intermediate teams. St Pats and Rathmore wouldnt have any chance of putting together a senior team between them at present. Pats struggled to field at adult in 2022 when Rathmore left them and formed their own Rathmore team. In the long run I expect Rathmore will get stronger at hurling, they have good numbers underage, Crokes might not always stay senior. In that instance, there would be a case for East Kerry Divisional team in the hurling made up of Crokes, Rathmore and St Pats Another advantage for Rathmore is they are on the Cork border, so will have no problem getting good coaches and challenge matches. They might even join a Cork league at some stage. |
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Post by mossie on Jan 3, 2023 23:59:18 GMT
St Pats and Rathmore wouldnt have any chance of putting together a senior team between them at present. Pats struggled to field at adult in 2022 when Rathmore left them and formed their own Rathmore team. In the long run I expect Rathmore will get stronger at hurling, they have good numbers underage, Crokes might not always stay senior. In that instance, there would be a case for East Kerry Divisional team in the hurling made up of Crokes, Rathmore and St Pats Another advantage for Rathmore is they are on the Cork border, so will have no problem getting good coaches and challenge matches. They might even join a Cork league at some stage. Yep, though there is actually more hurling played in Rathmore than in their immediate neighbouring Cork parishes some of which have no hurling at all! good work at underage last while in Rathmore, operating at B and C levels but nonetheless have a production line of players to feed into their adult team |
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Post by givehimaball on Jan 4, 2023 10:39:15 GMT
It's probably 10 years ago now but Kenmare/Kilgarvan played in the senior championship but were well beaten. Didn't feild a team after that as they couldn't play in the Intermediate. Are you sure about the NK clubs shooting it down? it is not the NK clubs decision, it is a co board decision so NK clubs can be overruled If divisional teams are allowed play in the senior football championship and their constituents club continue to play intermediate\junior, surely the same is allowed in hurling? I would have said about 5 years ago. Can't remember where I heard it. The way the nk clubs would shut it down was that when the proposal came up the north kerry clubs would tell the county board they were opposed. My understanding of things is that for most of the hurling stuff the county board will discuss stuff and achieve a consensus between the all of the interested hurling clubs. The vast majority of the time the football only clubs tend to let the hurling clubs look after hurling issues. |
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Post by kerryexile5 on Jan 4, 2023 19:52:00 GMT
I see Barry O’Mahony (Crotta & St.Senans) and Barry O’Sullivan (Kilmoyley & Dingle) are both starting for Kerry footballers tonight v Cork.
Donal O Sullivan (Kilgarvan) is on the bench.
They are 3 very good hurlers who would really improve the Kerry hurling squad.
That’s the dual player issue, impossible to do the two at county level.
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Post by hurlingman on Jan 4, 2023 20:54:49 GMT
Are you sure about the NK clubs shooting it down? it is not the NK clubs decision, it is a co board decision so NK clubs can be overruled If divisional teams are allowed play in the senior football championship and their constituents club continue to play intermediate\junior, surely the same is allowed in hurling? I would have said about 5 years ago. Can't remember where I heard it. The way the nk clubs would shut it down was that when the proposal came up the north kerry clubs would tell the county board they were opposed. My understanding of things is that for most of the hurling stuff the county board will discuss stuff and achieve a consensus between the all of the interested hurling clubs. The vast majority of the time the football only clubs tend to let the hurling clubs look after hurling issues. While they couldn't do anything about it u know a few weren't happy with Parnells fielding adult teams. Not wanting to go outside their comfort zone has held Kerry back imo. The South Kerry teams will at least try something different playing in Cork leagues etc |
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Post by mossie on Jan 4, 2023 21:39:41 GMT
I would have said about 5 years ago. Can't remember where I heard it. The way the nk clubs would shut it down was that when the proposal came up the north kerry clubs would tell the county board they were opposed. My understanding of things is that for most of the hurling stuff the county board will discuss stuff and achieve a consensus between the all of the interested hurling clubs. The vast majority of the time the football only clubs tend to let the hurling clubs look after hurling issues. While they couldn't do anything about it u know a few weren't happy with Parnells fielding adult teams. Not wanting to go outside their comfort zone has held Kerry back imo. The South Kerry teams will at least try something different playing in Cork leagues etc You mention the words "a few" well that is all it is. The majority of north kerry hurling folk are delighted that hurling is developing in Tralee town. The North Kerry Hurling and the club delegates that make it up were very happy to grant Dr Crokes and Tralee Parnells adult hurling teams permission to play in the North Kerry Senior Hurling championship in 2021 and 2022 so that goes against your theory. Dr Crokes actually beat Lixnaw in it and damn near beat Crotta O'Neills. Tralee Parnells play in North Kerry hurling under age competitions |
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Post by mossie on Jan 4, 2023 22:10:59 GMT
I see Barry O’Mahony (Crotta & St.Senans) and Barry O’Sullivan (Kilmoyley & Dingle) are both starting for Kerry footballers tonight v Cork. Donal O Sullivan (Kilgarvan) is on the bench. They are 3 very good hurlers who would really improve the Kerry hurling squad. That’s the dual player issue, impossible to do the two at county level. Not only would they boost the hurling squad, they are good enough to start on the first 15 What time any of them get come the championship for the footballers remains to be seen but if it none, it is a shame to not have them hurling for kerry or indeed their clubs, a lad can be number 32 for the kerry footballers and still not be available for club hurling championship which is ridicolous seems Brandon Barrett, Dan Goggin and Keith Carmody from Causeway are back on the hurling squad which is boost |
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Post by hurlingman on Jan 5, 2023 9:38:31 GMT
While they couldn't do anything about it u know a few weren't happy with Parnells fielding adult teams. Not wanting to go outside their comfort zone has held Kerry back imo. The South Kerry teams will at least try something different playing in Cork leagues etc You mention the words "a few" well that is all it is. The majority of north kerry hurling folk are delighted that hurling is developing in Tralee town. The North Kerry Hurling and the club delegates that make it up were very happy to grant Dr Crokes and Tralee Parnells adult hurling teams permission to play in the North Kerry Senior Hurling championship in 2021 and 2022 so that goes against your theory. Dr Crokes actually beat Lixnaw in it and damn near beat Crotta O'Neills. Tralee Parnells play in North Kerry hurling under age competitions The fact remains that some in North Kerry don't want anyone else to upset them. They had no choice but to let Crokes move up to senior. But I've never seen them look for other Intermediate winners to make the step up. They're accompanying them in the North Kerry championship at the moment. But it remains to be seen how accompanying they'll be should one of Parnells or Crokes start to beat them more often. |
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Post by mossie on Jan 5, 2023 19:54:48 GMT
You mention the words "a few" well that is all it is. The majority of north kerry hurling folk are delighted that hurling is developing in Tralee town. The North Kerry Hurling and the club delegates that make it up were very happy to grant Dr Crokes and Tralee Parnells adult hurling teams permission to play in the North Kerry Senior Hurling championship in 2021 and 2022 so that goes against your theory. Dr Crokes actually beat Lixnaw in it and damn near beat Crotta O'Neills. Tralee Parnells play in North Kerry hurling under age competitions The fact remains that some in North Kerry don't want anyone else to upset them. They had no choice but to let Crokes move up to senior. But I've never seen them look for other Intermediate winners to make the step up. They're accompanying them in the North Kerry championship at the moment. But it remains to be seen how accompanying they'll be should one of Parnells or Crokes start to beat them more often. It is not up to North Kerry teams to look for the intermediate hurling champions to move up! It is up to the intermediate champions themselves! Dr Crokes were the only intermediate champions to seek to move up and it was granted by the county board without objection from anyone I expect if Kilgarvan as the current intermediate champions look to go up senior it will happen ditto when Tralee Parnells win it which will be some year soon they will defo look to go up and it will not be blocked by any north kerry team |
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Post by hurlingman on Jan 5, 2023 20:45:39 GMT
The fact remains that some in North Kerry don't want anyone else to upset them. They had no choice but to let Crokes move up to senior. But I've never seen them look for other Intermediate winners to make the step up. They're accompanying them in the North Kerry championship at the moment. But it remains to be seen how accompanying they'll be should one of Parnells or Crokes start to beat them more often. It is not up to North Kerry teams to look for the intermediate hurling champions to move up! It is up to the intermediate champions themselves! Dr Crokes were the only intermediate champions to seek to move up and it was granted by the county board without objection from anyone I expect if Kilgarvan as the current intermediate champions look to go up senior it will happen ditto when Tralee Parnells win it which will be some year soon they will defo look to go up and it will not be blocked by any north kerry team I didn't say it was. I'm saying I've never seen or heard of them encouraging it. They'd no issues with Crotta dropping down and coming back up the following year without winning the intermediate. Would they be as accommodating to a South Kerry team? |
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