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Post by glengael on Sept 28, 2020 10:38:51 GMT
Well done to East Kerry. Yes, they have a lot of clubs etc but have benefitted hugely from a lot of hard work at underage in Clubs, primary and in secondary schools like the Sem also.
Did not avail of live streaming owing to general computer issues last week. Radio Kerry commentary was welcome but frustrating. Joe O'Mahony should take Tim and Ambrose et al aside and advise them that match commentating and analysis is slightly different to having a chat on the terraces. They were talking over one another constantly the other night so at times, it was difficult to know what was happening.
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Post by greengold35 on Sept 28, 2020 11:17:42 GMT
After winning seven (?)in a row , Corofin were beaten today in the Galway championship. There was a time when the Crokes seemed unbeatable , ditto South Kerry. In my garsun years John Mitchells were peerless, winning five in a row. Truly, they appeared invincible. That empire disintegrated too , as all empires do, Rest assured the East Kerry empire will inevitably crash . In the meantime , marvel at the exploits of the boy wonder. We may not see his likes again. Totally agree with your sentiment that teams come and go over the years and we should enjoy My difficulty with the EK set up is that this is not what I would call a natural process - it is manufactured by the ridicuolus accumulation of clubs into a single district. The dominance at minor, u20/21 and now senior level is not good for the players from the many clubs that are being squeezed out. Rathmore played in the 2019 County Championship and had 30+ club players involved - by 2020 only 6 of those lads were in with EK. In all likelyhood EK will gain another stand alone club from this years county championship for the 2021 campaign (albeit with a possibility still of losing one). This is not like Crokes, Mitchells or even SK teams of the past that you refer to. All districts should have a cap on the number of D1 & D2 (or Intermediate grade if you prefer) clubs. The county board really need to look at the no of senior clubs - persisting with 8 senior clubs is part of the problem - Kilcummin are now yo- yoing from senior to Intermediate which in no way can be good for their development - Ardfert were similar a few years ago being part of St Brendan’s & then being on their own - teams that come up from Intermediate to senior should be given a couple of years to establish themselves without the threat of relegation hanging over them.
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Post by dc84 on Sept 28, 2020 11:28:32 GMT
After winning seven (?)in a row , Corofin were beaten today in the Galway championship. There was a time when the Crokes seemed unbeatable , ditto South Kerry. In my garsun years John Mitchells were peerless, winning five in a row. Truly, they appeared invincible. That empire disintegrated too , as all empires do, Rest assured the East Kerry empire will inevitably crash . In the meantime , marvel at the exploits of the boy wonder. We may not see his likes again. Totally agree with your sentiment that teams come and go over the years and we should enjoy My difficulty with the EK set up is that this is not what I would call a natural process - it is manufactured by the ridicuolus accumulation of clubs into a single district. The dominance at minor, u20/21 and now senior level is not good for the players from the many clubs that are being squeezed out. Rathmore played in the 2019 County Championship and had 30+ club players involved - by 2020 only 6 of those lads were in with EK. In all likelyhood EK will gain another stand alone club from this years county championship for the 2021 campaign (albeit with a possibility still of losing one). This is not like Crokes, Mitchells or even SK teams of the past that you refer to. All districts should have a cap on the number of D1 & D2 (or Intermediate grade if you prefer) clubs. Kilcummin are definitely in next year anyway, what happens if Kenmare get relagated next year as they are now along with tousist and kilgarvan( who were in with EK i believe this year) playing in east kerry competitions? It would get totally farcial then or does kenmare district come back into existence with an extra place in the co champ?
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Post by royalkerryfan on Sept 28, 2020 15:07:49 GMT
Totally agree with your sentiment that teams come and go over the years and we should enjoy My difficulty with the EK set up is that this is not what I would call a natural process - it is manufactured by the ridicuolus accumulation of clubs into a single district. The dominance at minor, u20/21 and now senior level is not good for the players from the many clubs that are being squeezed out. Rathmore played in the 2019 County Championship and had 30+ club players involved - by 2020 only 6 of those lads were in with EK. In all likelyhood EK will gain another stand alone club from this years county championship for the 2021 campaign (albeit with a possibility still of losing one). This is not like Crokes, Mitchells or even SK teams of the past that you refer to. All districts should have a cap on the number of D1 & D2 (or Intermediate grade if you prefer) clubs. Kilcummin are definitely in next year anyway, what happens if Kenmare get relagated next year as they are now along with tousist and kilgarvan( who were in with EK i believe this year) playing in east kerry competitions? It would get totally farcial then or does kenmare district come back into existence with an extra place in the co champ? As far as I understand divisional teams over the years have not dominated completely. Some have had a few years of dominance like SK in the 2000s. However if it gets to that stage of complete dominance the the question of fairness comes into it. East Kerry look strong for many years ahead and that's not good in my opinion. Divisional sides are there to give players from lower clubs exposure and then opportunities with the county. It should be reviewed every couple of years and divisional sides split if its becoming dominated by 1 team. I thought Paul Murphy's comments were telling " Ideally you want to be playing senior with your club" so open up the championship to more clubs.
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 28, 2020 19:21:35 GMT
i think i am correct in saying that since 1970, a club has won it 22 times. Out of 50
Every so often a club gets a golden generation thats good enough to win the All Ireland like Stacks in the 1970s, Laune Rangers in the 1990s and Crokes in recent years. Such clubs manage to put a few togerher.
But the dice is loaded against the senior clubs.
Even more so since the number of senior clubs dropped to 8.
Also now that games go to extra time as Crokes found out v Mid Kerry who finished stronger as the panel was stronger.
EK is an area of population growth too which is a factor.
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Post by exiled on Sept 28, 2020 21:38:12 GMT
I could not get on the site for the match at all. The site crashed just before throw in. Should I not get a full refund. I did get a refund when it happened where I'm living for a game.
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 29, 2020 9:29:06 GMT
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NEWS SPORT LIFESTYLE OPINION Paul Murphy delighted to match Rathmore legends with Kerry SFC medal Paul Murphy delighted to match Rathmore legends with Kerry SFC medal East Kerry’s Padraig Doyle and Paul Murphy celebrate. Picture: INPHO/James Crombie
MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 28, 2020 - 07:00 AM EOGHAN CORMICAN It had never been on Paul Murphy’s radar to chase county championship glory in the colours of East Kerry.
Go back four years and Murphy’s club, Rathmore, were denied a place in the Kerry senior final by the narrowest of margins. It was their second successive year to reach the semi-final stage.
Rathmore weren’t just comfortable at the top level, they were becoming a consistent presence at the business end of the championship. But their form dipped last season, the club unable to stave off relegation to the intermediate ranks.
Where one door closed, another opened. 2020 would be the first time in either his adult or underage career that Murphy lined out for East Kerry.
“This wasn't on the radar. In an ideal world, we, Rathmore, would have liked to stay senior,” says Murphy, one of six Rathmore players to join the East Kerry panel.
“Once this became the reality, all the Rathmore guys involved went at it 100 percent. We bought into the East Kerry set-up because it is a really good environment to be part of.
“We were coming into a successful group where there was a very strong and settled team so it was a case for the Rathmore lads to first of all try and get your spot on the team, and then try and contribute in some way. I’m delighted that we have.
“It is a massive medal to have. Some of the all-time great Rathmore players have this medal, so to join them is really gratifying.”
Despite being two in front at the break, Murphy says East Kerry were anything but pleased at half-time. A sign of their undeniable quality is how they managed to produce their strongest half an hour of football this year when it mattered most.
“We had not performed to our full potential in the first-half. We had not shown what we were made of. If we had done that for another half and lost the game, we would have looked back with huge regret because we hadn't delivered what we could. I am just glad we did what we did in the second-half.
“The first goal was a touch of class really. After the second goal, we managed the game and saw it out well. The second-half was our most complete half of football for the year. We timed it well.”
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Post by Fado on Sept 29, 2020 11:32:03 GMT
I could not get on the site for the match at all. The site crashed just before throw in. Should I not get a full refund. I did get a refund when it happened where I'm living for a game. From what I know, if you Email the tv company they will refund you,
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Post by OnTheForty on Sept 29, 2020 12:05:05 GMT
The county board really need to look at the no of senior clubs - persisting with 8 senior clubs is part of the problem - Kilcummin are now yo- yoing from senior to Intermediate which in no way can be good for their development - Ardfert were similar a few years ago being part of St Brendan’s & then being on their own - teams that come up from Intermediate to senior should be given a couple of years to establish themselves without the threat of relegation hanging over them. I agree there could be more than 8 senior clubs, could have 12 without lowering the standard, which was the point of having 8. I know 8 clubs plus 8 regional teams makes a nice even number, but could work just as well with 20 or 24 teams. That would mean that more players get to play senior chship which has to be good. Not sure about the 2nd point about promoted teams given a few years at senior: if they are good enough they will stay there, but you can't give them a guarantee or exemption. The other option apart from more clubs or more regional teams is to redistribute the clubs. Move the Kenamre district clubs to South Kerry. Listry are with EK while Beaufort are with MK, so move Listry to MK. Firies also could move to MK or St Keirans like Currow.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Sept 29, 2020 18:02:05 GMT
Surely at present there are players in East Kerry who should be experiencing County Championship but who are not.
That is an issue.
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Post by greengold35 on Sept 29, 2020 18:37:00 GMT
Surely at present there are players in East Kerry who should be experiencing County Championship but who are not. That is an issue. Totally agree that there are guys sitting on benches who are being deprived of the opportunity of playing county championship -!the review of the championship structure will have to look at all aspects of this - one example is Mark Kelliher, All Ireland winning minor keeper who as things stand will not oust Shane Ryan from EK in the short term - there are guys in Rathmore & Kilcummin who will suffer the same fate next year - it’s possible that clubs could lose players due to this at present - why bother training / playing county leagues if you know your chances of featuring in the championship are next to nil? One other initiative I would like to see is a development squad for those over 20 & say U-25 ; we have approx 150 guys aged between 20-24 who all have won All Ireland minor medals - if they are not yet ready for a step up to senior they are dependent on their clubs to assist with their development- clubs are doing a great job but I think with a full time guy like Jason McGahan in situ we should be looking to develop almost a reserve squad for step up to senior; Gavin O’Brien is a case in point - Kerry have invested in him for past 2 years but now that he is no longer in the senior squad is there anybody having him in a monitored training programme? There are plenty of others in the same boat who are not quite ready to play senior inter county but could come good given time.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Sept 30, 2020 7:44:02 GMT
Surely at present there are players in East Kerry who should be experiencing County Championship but who are not. That is an issue. The divisions should be assessed on a points system: 5 for intermediate team, 3 Junior & 1 Novice. Then just set a max that one divisional team can have. In the last year you will have had Rathmore & Kilcummin get relegated to EK so where you had 30 players who were senior championship level over the last while you now have prob 24/25 of them not getting a game. Someone like Paul Murphy is a great example of what county championship exposure can do for someones career
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Post by homerj on Sept 30, 2020 10:37:06 GMT
rathmore being part of east kerry is just nonsense, theres no other way to describe it.
you should realitically have another divisional team slotting in there somewhere or add four clubs back into senior.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Sept 30, 2020 11:00:20 GMT
South Kerry, i.e. South of Tralee, must have one of the highest concentrations of Gaelic Football in the country. Ah maybe 'tis a big area too, anyone tell us where the 'hotspots' in the county are? Is the talent pool at an all time high, well we did run up the AI final?
Are the patterns similar for underage, u20?
Then we have talk of Shannon & Feale Rangers merging - is it a contrast or is it that NK must do that to compete with SK? What is like back West?
'The Gaelic' as they call it here in Donegal is on the up, gradual but solid, great interest, what many don't realise is that Donegal has a massive soccer legacy, would been 60:40 in favour of soccer before McGuinness, now nearer 50:50 I guess. Many parishes don't even have a Gaelic club while very few would be without a soccer mainstay, even Gwedore and wasn't it a holy wan of 'em that was involved with Celtic, strong links to Scotland.
And didn't someone say that Rugby is getting a foothold in Tyrone, though I haven't seen it myself -yerra they'd be winding up a Kerryman too and all I can do is return the compliment!
I have a feel that we are in for great GAA days down the road, I always believed it to be a better game and youngsters are more clued in to that, they like being able to stroll down the road and see the local county teams as opposed to taking a flight to see a team glued together with oil money and the like. Recalling seeing fellas you'd know personally take to the field in Croker, amazing - ah we probably appreciate it more now that ;'tis taken from us for now!
Not meaning to make a short story long, if only because I won't get away wit it, I was thinking of how well we debated Corvid on here as I heard a few right hobos on TV at it during the week. Wam Charlie Bird was giving off that there is too much talk about it and he is tired of the constant 'feed' - he reminded me of a hangover, nobody forced him to listen yet we now have to listen to him. He wouldn't get away with it on here, indeed he wouldn't!
BTW where is mandad, could do with his taking a bit of sense!
Stay safe everybody and up da Kingdom!
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Post by onlykerry on Sept 30, 2020 11:47:11 GMT
There are 5 division 1 clubs classified as Intermediate in Kerry. These five clubs that are good enough to mix it with the senior clubs in the league are not deemed good enough to play in the senior championship as clubs and are only allowed in the County championship via the divisional system. The essential problem is this is de-motivating for the clubs in question and skews the strengths of divisions with smaller clubs losing out. I am not 100% sure of the makeup of all divisional sides but believe the poorest performing divisional sides have no intermediate clubs in their ranks - certainly neither Shannon Rangers or Feale Rangers have an intermediate side and is it therefore no wonder they consistently perform so poorly. Four of the five league D1 clubs that played with a divisional side got to the semi final stage of the Championship with 3 league D1 sides represented in the final. I would argue these sides should be playing in their own right in the county championship. The two issues that need to be re-examined are The 8 club limit in the county championship. Creating divisional sides that are competitive but fair.
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