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Post by Ballyfireside on Apr 7, 2020 10:58:25 GMT
The focus of this thread is being lost. This thread is titled All Gaa Activity Suspended, recent posts have no reference whatsoever to the Gaa. This is not a platform for debate on medical sciences. Debate elsewhere please. Jazus if there is no football we have to talk about other things? Hey, we need a laugh, anything goes, as usual! BTW anyone with an Premium Indo Account copy and paste this article below for us, PatS will surely give us a laugh, and the prospect of Mayo winning Sam will be even funnier - jazus we could do with it, what angle have we not analysed already?, if he has anew angle it will be an achievement in itself! Can Mayo finally end their All-Ireland famine this year?
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Post by Ballyfireside on Apr 7, 2020 11:10:50 GMT
Rollingstone. Life requires us to hold one opinion or another in the important things that arise. Our peace of mind depends on our certainty in whatever position we hold and without doubt, you’re entitled to your opinion. I might disagree with you, but I will defend your right to say what you think. Tolstoy states it beautifully; - “I know that most men, including those at ease with problems of the greatest complexity, can seldom accept even the simplest and most obvious truth if it be such as would oblige them to admit the falsity of conclusions which they have delighted in explaining to colleagues, which they have proudly taught to others, and which they have woven, thread by thread, into the fabric of their lives.” Seems as if the “Let them all die – God knows his own” club has more members than I thought. Likewise I will defend Mandad's right, even to be wrong - why, cause he's worth it! My own fav Tolstoy quote - 'I sit on a man's back choking him and making him carry me, and yet assure myself and others that I am sorry for him and wish to lighten his load by all means possible....except by getting off his back.'Mandad and Ballythefireside are the only wans on here with a splatter of sense between us! Now let's have fun!
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Apr 7, 2020 11:22:29 GMT
Do you think the antivax position deserves respect? You obviously have a problem with my opinion, that is fine, we all have different opinions but that does not mean that the debate should be shut down and insults thrown around the way you do. You insult me without once addressing a single point I make, it really is pathetic but having seen you posting on here for long time now, I shouldn’t be surprised as you tend to throw your toys out of the pram anytime you're in a corner rather than have an intelligent debate. I am not trying to turn this thread into a pro-vaxxer v. anti-vaxxer debate, I think the fact that you hurl insults around and refuse to address my points speaks for itself. There is however, an important wider discussion to be had in the absence of any sport but you dismiss me out of hand completely. As Mandad put so eloquently, I have a right to be heard even if it’s not to your liking so get over it and grow up. Your position deserves contempt not debate. At any rate it does not belong on this forum.
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 7, 2020 12:43:48 GMT
Go on. Keep on revealing yourself. Do you think the antivax position deserves respect? There are two sides to every argument. I am pro vaxination but thats not the point. No harm to reading alternative views.
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 7, 2020 12:44:46 GMT
People might also be interested in this following on from yesterdays link on the Buteyko Breathing Method posted above. oxygenadvantage.com/Both are well worth taking a look at. Very interesting
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Post by mandad on Apr 7, 2020 13:07:59 GMT
I realize that at times I can post slightly antagonistic comments that require more effort to digest than readers are willing or able to invest. But it is never my intent to insult or offend anybody. But it does look like that I have to adjust to some new level of eggshell-walking.
I have always endeavored to comply with the simple process of selecting the appropriate thread. On this ‘slow news week’ where we have, at times, gone a whole day without any post, if someone is excessively sensitive about a post tangled up in the wrong thread (no pun intended), then I apologise for spoiling their day.
In any case, I’m picking up my ball and going home, right now!
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Post by kerryexile on Apr 7, 2020 13:09:09 GMT
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Apr 7, 2020 13:31:10 GMT
Do you think the antivax position deserves respect? There are two sides to every argument. I am pro vaxination but thats not the point. No harm to reading alternative views. I've read these "alternative views". How else have I come to the conclusion that they're bollocks? At any rate I have said more than I should have bothered on the matter.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Apr 7, 2020 13:43:10 GMT
I realize that at times I can post slightly antagonistic comments that require more effort to digest than readers are willing or able to invest. But it is never my intent to insult or offend anybody. But it does look like that I have to adjust to some new level of eggshell-walking. I have always endeavored to comply with the simple process of selecting the appropriate thread. On this ‘slow news week’ where we have, at times, gone a whole day without any post, if someone is excessively sensitive about a post tangled up in the wrong thread (no pun intended), then I apologise for spoiling their day. In any case, I’m picking up my ball and going home, right now! It is a sin to offend mandad, so mandad, hang on, pass me that ball and let's show 'em how it was done in the day! Maybe a timely read here? 'The longer you are away, the more you miss training' - James McCarthy battling motivational issues
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 7, 2020 14:39:04 GMT
In todays Irish Times it says the peak was probably last weekend and we will start on the downward curve now.
GAA action this year?
How would it work on a practical level....i mean if Kerry were playing Cork...would all players have to be tested and test negative in the days running up to the game..
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Post by Ballyfireside on Apr 7, 2020 15:16:34 GMT
In todays Irish Times it says the peak was probably last weekend and we will start on the downward curve now. GAA action this year? How would it work on a practical level....i mean if Kerry were playing Cork...would all players have to be tested and test negative in the days running up to the game.. Mick, trying to sort that would be harder than straightening out Annauscaul's Tomaisin on here and you know how impossiblke that is, Ruby Walsh wrote in The Examiner of what it would be like in racing and my take on it is that it will be a case of one step at a time, you have numerous organisations and there will be many errs, well mishaps, but maybe we will all appreciate our fellow human beings a bit after this, we had lost a lot of our good ways of life, I'm my late 50s and I could see how The Internet was destroying people, it is actually known as 'The Flynn Effect', in lay man terms we weer getting smarter but less cute, so cute Kerry hoor was becoming extinct. Good interviews, ones that clicked with what you already knew and added to it, were getting scarcer by the year, now maybe not everyone will agree but some will, I'd love to see the younger generation have the happy times we had, with the way we are/were headed life was getting harder for them, they have more of what is bad forced upon 'em, while they are increasingly deprived of what they can't do without, all the while we are supposedly better off. I feel fortunate in that I'm kinda with tech though happy I'm not a big social net worker, I network socially by talking in person, if you don't you lose that faculty, 'use it or lose it' applies big time. I suppose the forum is a good social outlet/medium, Veteran and mandad are amazing, I could read mandad's stuff all day long, look back over his contributions and you'll see what I'm at. I'm losing the will to live here, I just more or less bailed out a young land stranded abroad and got the 'I'm alright now Jack' treatment - I'm livid, I don't want to sound like an auld moaner, and no, we weren't perfect back in the day either, far from it, but jazus we had some semblance of cop, loyalty, etc. I wish everyone on here well in the times we are in and I'd sense there is a looming 'sit tight' phase, like a farmer having hay to save with clouds floating overhead, hopefully the wind will carry them away out over the Atlantic, maybe that cursed virus will shag off outa our space and we can save our biteen of hay and have a big harvest of Croke Park? Stay safe and be a biteen sensible, there are folks who need help and HSE don't have the testing capacity to help 'em all, the virus is uncontrollable until we develop a vaccine, we can control how it affects us though in the meantime, damage limitation, let's show our true community spirit, GAA is a community sport, I have heard some great stories that renew my faith in mankind, often just small simple things, the vulnerable just need to know we are there for them. I offered my help but no good as no Healthcare experience, still I recall a night in London when a youngish ambulance driver lost his bottle driving out of a narrow passage, the only time I ever drive a van type vehicle was driving one up out of the way from a petrol pumps I worked it, still I was always confident with machinery, reversing tractors and trailers at an age An Gardai mightn't entirely approve of, anyway ambulance driver froze, so I told him I'd do it, and so I did, not a bother, 'speed over perfection'. pun not intended, that is the current HSE mantra, jazus I felt great, still bragging while yer average HSE driver does that 10 times daily, so that's my story! Also another biteen for 'Confessions of A Retired Petrol Pump Attendant', a wee work in progress of mine!
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Post by Aodhan on Apr 7, 2020 21:24:06 GMT
There are two sides to every argument. I am pro vaxination but thats not the point. No harm to reading alternative views. I've read these "alternative views". How else have I come to the conclusion that they're bollocks? At any rate I have said more than I should have bothered on the matter. You must have tipped you toe in it if at all. Industry funding goes a long way in believing the lie.
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Post by An Bradán on Apr 8, 2020 9:33:18 GMT
China also has the "advantage" of being a police state and was able to lock down the country more effectively than any Western democracy could. If they aren't ready to restart then (unless a miracle cure comes along) we won't be either for a long time. It's over for 2020. B.t.w. how do you mute a poster on this forum ? There is a message from Annascaul on this thread that describes how to mute somebody kerrygaa.proboards.com/thread/2598/forum-queries-updates?page=5Thanks. Implemented it there. Could the moderator knock the pseudo medical science posts on the head please. These "debates" only always end up the same way on other social media. This isn't the place for it.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Apr 8, 2020 9:45:31 GMT
Thanks. Implemented it there. Could the moderator knock the pseudo medical science posts on the head please. These "debates" only always end up the same way on other social media. This isn't the place for it. A good one here - Donal Linehan: The afternoon I discovered my dad was a KerrymanBTW If I had known of that mute trick I might have spared my ears from it's author!
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Post by kerrygold on Apr 8, 2020 9:59:18 GMT
People might also be interested in this following on from yesterdays link on the Buteyko Breathing Method posted above. oxygenadvantage.com/Both are well worth taking a look at. Very interesting Mick, his book The Oxygen Advantage will give you a very good oversight, well worth the investment. I'd imagine the Dubs are aware of this (and much more). You just look at James McCarthy carrying the ball forward in an advanced position if the middle third 5-6 minutes into added time of the drawn final a point down and he is still fully in the zone. You'd like to think Kerry would take a look at this in a game of millimetres - DM getting turned over versus JMC in the zone at the very death of the drawn final in the middle third as the game enters extreme championship minutes......................
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Post by ballhopper34 on Apr 8, 2020 19:44:08 GMT
So what would a reasonable timetable to restart a season for 2020?
a) Three weeks training with two challenge games b) Two rounds of County League c) Play Club Championships d) Play County Championship
That's almost 4 months.
Then figure County schedule.
My thoughts are the club gets priority for 2020 over the county...the revenue hit will be harsh as will sponsorship defaults, but getting as many players back out there playing should be the priority.
Or 2020 could be a complete blank for GAA.
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Post by chancer on Apr 8, 2020 20:47:09 GMT
In my opinion, The GAA should prioritise the playing of club fixtures, in all probability they won't though.
The county players are never available to play with their clubs for county league fixtures (bar the last round and sometimes the first) the county league games could be played while kerry are still involved in the championship therefore.
After kerry's involvement in the championship is over (hopefully winning Sam) the county club championships could be played with a straight knock out format. The county championship could follow with the same format.
The competitions could even overlap if things fell the right way, i.e on the weekend of the club finals, some county championship games could be played.
Not an ideal scenario at all, but a scenario where the club competitions are cancelled would be far worse, let's hope it doesn't come to that
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 9, 2020 22:26:50 GMT
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0 Germany is ahead of the curve. While other European soccer leagues are engulfed in uncertainty and damaging pay disputes between clubs and player unions, in Germany there is order and a clear-eyed strategy to restart its league, which like others around the world was brought to a halt by the coronavirus outbreak.
This week, all the clubs in the top two divisions of the Bundesliga returned to the training pitch, observing local health protocols, but offering millions of soccer-starved supporters the surest sign yet that they will soon be able to watch the sport once again, and far earlier than fans in Europe’s other big leagues.
The Bundesliga’s chief executive, Christian Seifert, said in an interview that plans were being put in place for games to return at all 36 stadiums by the beginning of May, with the remaining nine games of the schedule to be completed by the end of June, a time when some of Europe’s other top leagues may not yet have returned from their hiatus. England’s Premier League, soccer’s richest domestic competition, is unlikely to return until July at the earliest.
But for all the optimism, it’s clear that one of the defining characteristics of German soccer’s popularity will be absent, and absent for a long time. Seifert said the usually packed stadiums – Germany has the highest average attendance figures in Europe – would be empty, as so-called ghost games are played out in cavernous arenas devoid of the usual atmosphere. Soccer will be a TV-only entertainment, and is likely to remain so until the end of the year, Seifert said.
Germany’s return to the field will be watched closely. All European soccer has been halted, with the strange exception of Belarus. Fifa is allowing an indefinite extension to let leagues around the world complete their seasons.
“We are part of the culture in the country, people long to get back a short piece of normal life, and that could mean the Bundesliga plays again,” Seifert said. “This is why we have to play our role here, and that means to support the government and to talk with the government about when we will be able to play again.”
Germany has not been immune from the ravages of Covid-19. The country has the fourth highest number of recorded cases in Europe, with more than 107,000 by Wednesday morning, according to Johns Hopkins University. But its healthcare system has so far managed to cope with the crisis perhaps better than anywhere else in the world, with a death rate from the disease lower than even South Korea, a model for flattening the curve.
The Bundesliga, Seifert said, is conscious of not being seen to add to the burden on the healthcare system. Germany’s testing regimen, by far the best in Europe, means that supplies needed for medical staff will not be diverted so soccer stars can get on the field.
“It won’t be the case that one doctor or one nurse that is really relevant for the system cannot be tested because football players have to be tested,” Seifert said.
In working out a plan, the Bundesliga estimates that 240 people, including players, coaching and medical staff, match officials and production staff will be needed for each game. Two groups have been set up to deal with the practicalities of staging the game: one to set up uniform matchday regulations and the other, perhaps more important, to devise a hygiene plan for training and games and to work out what measures to take if a player tests positive.
“The concept is to give certainty to players, to their families and to society as well,” Seifert said.
Seifert said finishing the German season as early as possible would also benefit Uefa’s efforts to complete its two competitions, the Champions League and the Europa League. Aleksander Ceferin, the Uefa president, said recently that those tournaments could not take place beyond August. The club season had been set to end in June.
“The sooner we are finished, the more flexibility we can provide to the European football landscape,” Seifert said.
The rush to return to the field is also borne of a financial necessity as much as an emotional one.
While its clubs are some of the healthiest in Europe, not finishing the season would lead to an enormous cost. Seifert put the figure at as much as €750 million, a figure that compares to forecasts of €1 billion of losses in Spain’s top division, La Liga, and a minimum of £1 billion (€1.14 billion) for the Premier League.
“For the moment, we are all fighting to survive,” said Seifert, predicting that 50 per cent of the second-division teams were “very much in danger to file for bankruptcy” if the season were cancelled, while as many as five top-division teams would face serious problems, too.
Top-tier teams are certain to lose nearly €100 million from the absence of supporters, while the final, €300-million instalment has yet to be paid by domestic rights owners, the biggest of which is Sky.
“We are in very constructive talks with all our partners no matter if it’s pay TV or free TV,” said Seifert, acknowledging the crisis has hurt television companies’ bottom lines as much as it has the soccer industry. He has made plans for a possible shortfall, which includes the possibility of taking a nine-figure bridging loan from private equity firms, like KKR and Apollo Global Management, which initiated talks. Seifert said he had hired an international bank to deal with those inquiries.
German clubs have largely not attracted big-money investors in the same way as the Premier League, where foreign billionaires and oil-rich sheikhs have poured money into the clubs. That’s largely because of a model that prevents commercial interests from owning more than 49 per cent of a club. The crisis has led to suggestions that the regulation – one that is defended fiercely by fans but has long frustrated some club managers – may finally be about to be lifted. Seifert denied that was the case. “As long as I’m CEO of Bundesliga, no one would discuss the 50+1 rule right in the middle of the coronavirus,” he said.
German clubs have managed to navigate the tricky issue of negotiating cuts to player salaries serenely, unlike in England where an ugly dispute among players, their union and teams has entered a second week. In Germany, where players and clubs negotiated directly, players at the biggest clubs have agreed to reduce their salaries by 20 per cent to 30 per cent and those at smaller ones by 10 per cent. “To be honest, I didn’t understand the discussions in other countries because from the very beginning clubs were talking with their players about it,” Seifert said.
Seifert predicted that whatever the outcome of the next few months, one thing was for sure: The global €6.5 billion player transfer market is certain to collapse. Such a situation would have massive reverberations across the industry, particularly at clubs with risky business models geared to transfer market returns.
“In the short term, I would say the transfer market this summer will not exist, it will collapse,” he said. “Some agents will suddenly understand that they will have to work hard, or at least work; some leagues will understand that money is nothing that is coming automatically every month from heaven.” – New York Times
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 9, 2020 22:29:43 GMT
Some bit of insight there into what could be involved in staging a game later this year!
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Post by ballhopper34 on Apr 10, 2020 2:45:37 GMT
No mention of how long another pre-season might be. If too short, injuries will be paramount in the first few games, especially if forcing two games a week. Need a few weeks at least, which would mean training starting now for early May games.
If early May is target for games, then the government need to allow co-mingling of people on a very restricted basis...for example, any player living with an elderly person, a respiratory unwell person, or a person who tested positive for COVID-19 would not be allowed back to the team. Can't imagine the government giving a priority for sport...maybe put the regs in place for regular work first and see how that goes.
Lots of background clearances required which may deflect services from a more needy cause.
In short, sport and public entertainment will the among the last activities to resume, even if behind closed doors.
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Post by Galway breeze on Apr 10, 2020 9:29:27 GMT
www.balls.ie/amp/football/damien-duff-stephen-kenny-430546 Stephen Kenny wasn’t going to fall for the same backroom team disaster that PK fell into in Kerry. Kenny has stated that if anyone is in his backroom team he as the manager will select who he trusts and can work with. Back to the pandemic the Gaa will do right by the public and will stick with the lockdown for as long as it takes. Can’t see any activity until July minimum.
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 10, 2020 21:41:48 GMT
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Post by ballhopper34 on Apr 11, 2020 1:49:45 GMT
The GAA needs to say there will be 3 weeks of training and challenge games before any club or county fixtures are played.
The government will decide when such gatherings of up to 40 players may be allowed.
Kingston can ask all he wants of the GAA, but it will not be in their hands.
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Post by Galway breeze on Apr 11, 2020 6:47:25 GMT
Agreed ballhopper34 it is a bit silly managers coming out in the media trying to put pressure on the Gaa to stamp a date for a return, when it is the hse and the government which will make that call. The latest lockdown call will bring us past May back holiday and the hse and government will most likely push to get past June back holiday before easing thing in a larger capacity this will prevent large holiday gatherings. From that August looks like the very earliest if you put in three weeks preparation to prevent an explosion of injuries. WILL THERE BE A CHAMPIONSHIP?
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Post by dc84 on Apr 11, 2020 8:41:34 GMT
Yeah thats silly by kingston, there is sweet fa that the gaa can do here they can only do what they are told in this situation.
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Post by john4 on Apr 11, 2020 11:22:38 GMT
Special Congress planned for next Friday April 17th, www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaa-to-hold-remote-special-congress-to-help-decide-fate-of-2020-championship-1.4225883Whatever conclusions will be arrived at following this Congress, will only come into effect with Government approval at a time in the future yet unknown. The outcome of this will be purely aspirational. Recent years have seen the Championship season condensed into 4 months, May to end or August. Timewise, it would be possible to run the Championship season from the beginning of August with the finals played before the end of November. But all of this is predicated by Government approval, based on Public Health advice from Medical experts.
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 11, 2020 20:23:43 GMT
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Post by john4 on Apr 13, 2020 13:21:15 GMT
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Post by Ballyfireside on Apr 13, 2020 13:54:40 GMT
Little will happen before a vaccine is formulated/tested, manufactured, administered and then proven across the Health Care community. That it is a case of 'a chain only being as strong as it's weakest link', nothing can be left to chance. Are we talking 12+ months, so a return to normality might be more next year? I was thinking this but didn't want to be the one to say it first, others probably thinking the same, an 'elephant in the room' situation.
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Post by goonised on Apr 13, 2020 15:36:23 GMT
2021. We have action
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