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Post by Galway breeze on Mar 11, 2020 14:31:13 GMT
By my count only three defenders have spoken in Donie favour that isTomas, Moyihan and AOM. Many more players have not and will back the manager. PK’s CV out shine many people in this country including Donie.
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Post by hurlingman on Mar 11, 2020 15:10:59 GMT
My view on it is Peter Keane is better placed than anyone on here to make the call. While Donie Buckley is clealy good at what he's there to do etc but if he's going away for months at a time and then just arives back that can't be good imo Without knowing it seems to be that Buckley seems to want to everything his way
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Post by buck02 on Mar 11, 2020 16:45:21 GMT
My view on it is Peter Keane is better placed than anyone on here to make the call. While Donie Buckley is clealy good at what he's there to do etc but if he's going away for months at a time and then just arives back that can't be good imo Without knowing it seems to be that Buckley seems to want to everything his way Ah come on. Its not as if he goes to Ibiza for a 3 month session. He goes away to study coaching techniques from American Football, Basketball, Aussie Rules, Soccer, Rugby in an attempt to be a more knowledgeable coach and improve himself and the teams he coaches. As Kieran Donaghy put it he is essentially a profession coach.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Mar 11, 2020 17:05:18 GMT
By my count only three defenders have spoken in Donie favour that isTomas, Moyihan and AOM. Many more players have not and will back the manager. PK’s CV out shine many people in this country including Donie. Well look at the evidence so far,one of the worst defences in the national league. Maybe listen to KD interview on OTBAM or Darren O Sullivan's piece in the paper. If I'm proven wrong I'll be delighted but I've a feeling I won't be.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Mar 11, 2020 17:08:46 GMT
My view on it is Peter Keane is better placed than anyone on here to make the call. While Donie Buckley is clealy good at what he's there to do etc but if he's going away for months at a time and then just arives back that can't be good imo Without knowing it seems to be that Buckley seems to want to everything his way One of the reasons Dublin have been so successful is their open mindedness to outside influences in their tactical approach. Donie studies other games abroad which would have helped us broaden our approach but no we'd rather old school management where one voice is all that matters.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Mar 11, 2020 17:14:44 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2020 20:02:00 GMT
We will revisit this in the Summer I gaunatee it. Yes, because Kerry obviously would have won the all Ireland with Buckley on board
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2020 20:03:34 GMT
He is far from the only coach that studied other coaches
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Post by royalkerryfan on Mar 11, 2020 20:12:23 GMT
We will revisit this in the Summer I gaunatee it. Yes, because Kerry obviously would have won the all Ireland with Buckley on board They'd have had a far better chance. Funny how a few of you lads don't seem to rate him yet multiple all ireland winners reckon he's brilliant. I wonder who has the better insight.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2020 20:56:34 GMT
Yes, because Kerry obviously would have won the all Ireland with Buckley on board They'd have had a far better chance. Funny how a few of you lads don't seem to rate him yet multiple all ireland winners reckon he's brilliant. I wonder who has the better insight. It is funny how medals matter when it comes to supporting Buckley but they are irrelevant when it comes to assessing his success
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Post by royalkerryfan on Mar 11, 2020 21:20:14 GMT
They'd have had a far better chance. Funny how a few of you lads don't seem to rate him yet multiple all ireland winners reckon he's brilliant. I wonder who has the better insight. It is funny how medals matter when it comes to supporting Buckley but they are irrelevant when it comes to assessing his success Experience matters not medals,These boys know what there talking about. Been there done that have the t shirt. Success is relative to the tools at you disposable with that in mind he did a great job in Mayo. It's shameful how he has been treated.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2020 21:27:55 GMT
I wonder what Tommy Griffin thinks of Buckley. A man who has had great experience and success as a player as well as a pretty impressive track record to date in his management career
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Post by Galway breeze on Mar 11, 2020 22:16:24 GMT
Most the drills and conditioning games Donie used in Mayo were googled or FA drills. I would think B. Sloan with Arsenal had input here royalkerryfan as Donie and Barry worked with Mayo. I am sure their are many coaches in Kerry that can do the same job if given the chance.
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Post by hurlingman on Mar 12, 2020 8:27:01 GMT
My view on it is Peter Keane is better placed than anyone on here to make the call. While Donie Buckley is clealy good at what he's there to do etc but if he's going away for months at a time and then just arives back that can't be good imo Without knowing it seems to be that Buckley seems to want to everything his way Ah come on. Its not as if he goes to Ibiza for a 3 month session. He goes away to study coaching techniques from American Football, Basketball, Aussie Rules, Soccer, Rugby in an attempt to be a more knowledgeable coach and improve himself and the teams he coaches. As Kieran Donaghy put it he is essentially a profession coach. As has already been said the teams he's been with have been playing the same style for almost 10 years now. So what is it he's picking up form these other sports?
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Post by tonydorigo on Mar 12, 2020 8:39:33 GMT
Most the drills and conditioning games Donie used in Mayo were googled or FA drills. I would think B. Sloan with Arsenal had input here royalkerryfan as Donie and Barry worked with Mayo. I am sure their are many coaches in Kerry that can do the same job if given the chance. So he learned what he learned from the internet and most people can do what he does by looking for drills on youtube? Also, his lack of All Ireland success is being used as a stick to beat him with but famous players who didn't win all irelands are not questioned on their output given the overall team performance. Lot of wild statements being thrown around here! must be silly season with the corona virus
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Post by thebluepanther on Mar 12, 2020 8:48:59 GMT
Live by the sword and die by the sword. If Peter Keane who has been very successful at underage navigating through underage championships, feels his coaching staff don't need extra help detailing the opposition or anyone changing their coaching sessions and have the motto of if it ain't broke, well Peter Keane is entitled to do this. He's the Captain of the ship.
Clearly Peter and one or two of his coaching staff have a strong view on what they think can work to have a good championship and want to press ahead with it, Donnies thinking on matters doesn't form part of this. In truth most inter county Managers would love to have Donnie Buckley in their team going into battle and for Kerry the fact he is one of their own seems crazy not to utilise his experience.
Is it pure stubbornness on Peters part and a huge mistake, only time will tell.
Lets be honest his defence will be scrutinied now like never before , lets hope the coaching guys left who i'd suggest wanted the freedom to coach on there own without interference and were a reason for this push out the door on Donnie Buckley are up for the challenge.
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Post by greengold35 on Mar 12, 2020 8:52:11 GMT
Most the drills and conditioning games Donie used in Mayo were googled or FA drills. I would think B. Sloan with Arsenal had input here royalkerryfan as Donie and Barry worked with Mayo. I am sure their are many coaches in Kerry that can do the same job if given the chance. So he learned what he learned from the internet and most people can do what he does by looking for drills on youtube? Also, his lack of All Ireland success is being used as a stick to beat him with but famous players who didn't win all irelands are not questioned on their output given the overall team performance. Lot of wild statements being thrown around here! must be silly season with the corona virus Attempts to denigrate and put down Donie's football nous & abilities are nauseating at this stage - long before Google was invented or his stint in Mayo, or his association with Barry Solan, he was a winning coach who has continued to be much in demand - a good read below. www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/he-looks-at-football-in-a-different-way-how-ex-mayo-coach-buckley-returned-home-to-add-steel-to-kerry-38496383.html
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Post by KY50 on Mar 12, 2020 10:33:35 GMT
Presume the county board will employ Donie to work with our coaches and underage structure. We have done really well over the past 6/7 years but other counties are now upping their game. It is important to continue to innovate or do we want another barren period ??
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Post by mandad on Mar 12, 2020 11:27:39 GMT
There is a somewhat arbitrary assumption, across all genres of sports, that a playing background is the sole criterion for becoming a successful coach. This clearly is not the case but the majority of GAA clubs and counties subscribe heavily to it.
Former elite players who become coaches are able immediately to garner respect and offer the seductive position of having “been there and done that” That gives you credibility, but that has a limited currency.
It takes a very keen understanding of the game in order to be able to coach. Playing is not coaching, much as studying is not teaching. José Mourinho only played 2nd Div in Portugal, yet he is highly successful. I’ll resist the temptation to call out a few of our own ex-players who ‘disappointed’. There are numerous classic failures of lads who seemed to run on the “been there, done that” principle. But when a “fact” tastes good and is repeated enough, we tend to believe it, no matter how false it may be.
The urge to get involved in the Donie Buckley argument is almost overwhelming - but what would be the point? No matter how flat you make a pancake, it’s got two sides and I would venture to say that none of us really knows either side.
The proficiency of a sportsman can be overwhelming, but sport is no temple of morality. Sport is what it is, and we should appreciate it as such. I believe that we genuinely have the panel of players good enough to deliver this year. The challenge now for Peter is to put it all together or burst. Or, as Bluepanther puts it, ‘you live by the sword, you die by the sword.’
A man who wants to lead the orchestra must turn his back on the crowd. Clichéd though it is, the adage is correct. In the meantime, we just keep calm and muddle on.
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