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Post by peanuts on Mar 2, 2020 18:14:18 GMT
Mayo is a hard place to get a win so well done on that aspect. The second half performance though will have to be looked at. Physically we were blown away and it seems to be a trait . Physically we’ve been thrown around this year Hopefully that can change Funnily enough we seem to beat them in Mayo and they tend to beat us in Kerry. At least that's the way it seems to have gone for the last few years.
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Post by peanuts on Mar 2, 2020 18:16:48 GMT
Thanks to all the lads who travelled and each of their snippets help to give an overall picture of the game. In spite of the apparent second half collapse one has to conclude that this victory has to be applauded. When a team gets a run on you , playing away from home, the home supporters can be a sixteenth man and , as Misteallaigh said, this can be very difficult to resist. Therefore it was a significant achievement to come away with the two precious points. It was a shame that it was deferred as it would it have been very informative to see the live TV showing. That is the price of old age , preventing a lot of old timers traveling to far away places in the winter! Looking at the condition of some of the pitches I think it is prudent on the part of management not to risk playing the injury prone JOD at present. Two weeks to go to the next match and the hope is that the weather will be more clement then. P.S. I wonder if somebody could post up the substitutes bench from yesterday. What is the logic of not publishing these when the team is being announced?The only logic (if you could call it that) is that it gives you a (perceived?) advantage in the opposition not knowing what options you have on the bench.
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Post by southward on Mar 2, 2020 18:42:45 GMT
Thanks to all the lads who travelled and each of their snippets help to give an overall picture of the game. In spite of the apparent second half collapse one has to conclude that this victory has to be applauded. When a team gets a run on you , playing away from home, the home supporters can be a sixteenth man and , as Misteallaigh said, this can be very difficult to resist. Therefore it was a significant achievement to come away with the two precious points. It was a shame that it was deferred as it would it have been very informative to see the live TV showing. That is the price of old age , preventing a lot of old timers traveling to far away places in the winter! Looking at the condition of some of the pitches I think it is prudent on the part of management not to risk playing the injury prone JOD at present. Two weeks to go to the next match and the hope is that the weather will be more clement then. P.S. I wonder if somebody could post up the substitutes bench from yesterday. What is the logic of not publishing these when the team is being announced?The only logic (if you could call it that) is that it gives you a (perceived?) advantage in the opposition not knowing what options you have on the bench. Next thing, players will be wearing fake noses and moustaches during the warmup.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Mar 2, 2020 18:44:01 GMT
Now that we have seen the subs list it looks like we are blooding and still beating physical teams away, Mayo broke Dgal down physically last year in Castlebar if we remember, they literally lifted Oisin Gallen and took him on a tour Our own John B flagged their physical prowess of old and they can still do it to the Dubs, are they made of harder stuff or is that the kind of player they select, is that the type of player who succeeds at Club level in Maigh Eo and are classy ones weeded out in favour of physicality?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2020 18:45:41 GMT
A few other thoughts
We looked physically weaker than Mayo in the second half. Mayo conceded the kick out a lot of the time but applied massive pressure to our backs bringing the ball out. It reminded me a bit of the league final last year.
He was average by his standards and has barely been mentioned but Clifford in a low scoring game had 3 from play, was directly involved in a couple of others and could have scored had another 1-2. The guy is remarkable and he has just turned 21......
I thought the referee did well and took account of the conditions. He was fussy on dissent and any hint of a high tackle but overall he played his part in making this a enjoyable game.
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Post by clarinman on Mar 2, 2020 18:50:48 GMT
Thanks to all the lads who travelled and each of their snippets help to give an overall picture of the game. In spite of the apparent second half collapse one has to conclude that this victory has to be applauded. When a team gets a run on you , playing away from home, the home supporters can be a sixteenth man and , as Misteallaigh said, this can be very difficult to resist. Therefore it was a significant achievement to come away with the two precious points. It was a shame that it was deferred as it would it have been very informative to see the live TV showing. That is the price of old age , preventing a lot of old timers traveling to far away places in the winter! Looking at the condition of some of the pitches I think it is prudent on the part of management not to risk playing the injury prone JOD at present. Two weeks to go to the next match and the hope is that the weather will be more clement then. P.S. I wonder if somebody could post up the substitutes bench from yesterday. What is the logic of not publishing these when the team is being announced?The only logic (if you could call it that) is that it gives you a (perceived?) advantage in the opposition not knowing what options you have on the bench. Mayo had 29 players listed in the programme yesterday. Only 26 are eligible to play. Numbers 27 and 28 came on as subs. Last year in Tralee, Dublin used players that weren't even listed in the programme. And they still have the nerve to charge 4 euro for a programme.
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Post by givehimaball on Mar 2, 2020 19:03:13 GMT
1 Paul Murphy 2 David Clifford 3 Graham O'Sullivan 4 Paul Geaney 5 Jack Barry 6 Shane Enright 7 Shane Ryan 8 Tadhg Morley 9 Gavin White 10 Sean O'Shea 11 Stephen O'Brien 12 Michael Burns 13 Liam Kearney 14 Gavin Crowley 15 Jason Foley 16 Tommy Walsh 17 Tom O'Sullivan 18 Dara Moynihan 19 Diarmuid O'Connor 20 Gavin O'Brien 21 James O’Donoghue 22 Killian Spillane 23 Tony Brosnan 24 Brian Kelly 25 David Shaw 26 Brian Ó Beaglaíoch 27 Adrian Spillane
The following 4 have been listed in the program but not seen any game-time.
Jonathan Lyne Michael Potts Pa Kilkenny Adam Donoghue
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Post by misteallaigh abú on Mar 2, 2020 19:57:19 GMT
1 Paul Murphy 2 David Clifford 3 Graham O'Sullivan 4 Paul Geaney 5 Jack Barry 6 Shane Enright 7 Shane Ryan 8 Tadhg Morley 9 Gavin White 10 Sean O'Shea 11 Stephen O'Brien 12 Michael Burns 13 Liam Kearney 14 Gavin Crowley 15 Jason Foley 16 Tommy Walsh 17 Tom O'Sullivan 18 Dara Moynihan 19 Diarmuid O'Connor 20 Gavin O'Brien 21 James O’Donoghue 22 Killian Spillane 23 Tony Brosnan 24 Brian Kelly 25 David Shaw 26 Brian Ó Beaglaíoch 27 Adrian Spillane The following 4 have been listed in the program but not seen any game-time. Jonathan Lyne Michael Potts Pa Kilkenny Adam Donoghue Thank you, was talking to a Mayo fan who told me that James Horan has used 36 different players so far in the league. A sure sign of a team in transition searching for those couple of gems that could make their season.
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Post by buck02 on Mar 2, 2020 20:25:54 GMT
A few other thoughts We looked physically weaker than Mayo in the second half. Mayo conceded the kick out a lot of the time but applied massive pressure to our backs bringing the ball out. It reminded me a bit of the league final last year. He was average by his standards and has barely been mentioned but Clifford in a low scoring game had 3 from play, was directly involved in a couple of others and could have scored had another 1-2. The guy is remarkable and he has just turned 21...... I thought the referee did well and took account of the conditions. He was fussy on dissent and any hint of a high tackle but overall he played his part in making this a enjoyable game. Any hint of a high tackle except for the Kerry penalty which surely warranted a yellow card, especially seen as he booked Morley for a innocuous foul at the other end in the next play. Also Burns was booked for going for a 50/50 ball and he just caught the Mayo fella a split second late as he went down on the ball. Aidan O Shea booted it out of Enrights hands as he was going down on the ball a few minutes later and it wasn't even a free. Officials also missed the 3 or 4 times O Connor was pulled down off the ball by Parsons in the first half, which was probably why we got the decision with the Clifford/Keegan incident at the end.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2020 20:50:37 GMT
A few other thoughts We looked physically weaker than Mayo in the second half. Mayo conceded the kick out a lot of the time but applied massive pressure to our backs bringing the ball out. It reminded me a bit of the league final last year. He was average by his standards and has barely been mentioned but Clifford in a low scoring game had 3 from play, was directly involved in a couple of others and could have scored had another 1-2. The guy is remarkable and he has just turned 21...... I thought the referee did well and took account of the conditions. He was fussy on dissent and any hint of a high tackle but overall he played his part in making this a enjoyable game. Any hint of a high tackle except for the Kerry penalty which surely warranted a yellow card, especially seen as he booked Morley for a innocuous foul at the other end in the next play. Also Burns was booked for going for a 50/50 ball and he just caught the Mayo fella a split second late as he went down on the ball. Aidan O Shea booted it out of Enrights hands as he was going down on the ball a few minutes later and it wasn't even a free. Officials also missed the 3 or 4 times O Connor was pulled down off the ball by Parsons in the first half, which was probably why we got the decision with the Clifford/Keegan incident at the end. Thankfully we have you to tell like it really is without any bias whatsoever I thought Enright pulled out a bit too early from that incident, almost expecting a free which I think put some doubt in the referees mind
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Post by homerj on Mar 2, 2020 21:22:20 GMT
1 Paul Murphy 2 David Clifford 3 Graham O'Sullivan 4 Paul Geaney 5 Jack Barry 6 Shane Enright 7 Shane Ryan 8 Tadhg Morley 9 Gavin White 10 Sean O'Shea 11 Stephen O'Brien 12 Michael Burns 13 Liam Kearney 14 Gavin Crowley 15 Jason Foley 16 Tommy Walsh 17 Tom O'Sullivan 18 Dara Moynihan 19 Diarmuid O'Connor 20 Gavin O'Brien 21 James O’Donoghue 22 Killian Spillane 23 Tony Brosnan 24 Brian Kelly 25 David Shaw 26 Brian Ó Beaglaíoch 27 Adrian Spillane The following 4 have been listed in the program but not seen any game-time. Jonathan Lyne Michael Potts Pa Kilkenny Adam Donoghue so thats 31 players...normally theres about 35/36...who else is to come back? peter crowley david moran. anybody else?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2020 21:33:38 GMT
Paudie Clifford and Jack Sherwood
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Post by homerj on Mar 2, 2020 21:41:03 GMT
19 different scores in yesterdays game. fairly high for this time of year.
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Post by sambo on Mar 2, 2020 22:28:49 GMT
Thanks to all the lads who travelled and each of their snippets help to give an overall picture of the game. In spite of the apparent second half collapse one has to conclude that this victory has to be applauded. When a team gets a run on you , playing away from home, the home supporters can be a sixteenth man and , as Misteallaigh said, this can be very difficult to resist. Therefore it was a significant achievement to come away with the two precious points. It was a shame that it was deferred as it would it have been very informative to see the live TV showing. That is the price of old age , preventing a lot of old timers traveling to far away places in the winter! Looking at the condition of some of the pitches I think it is prudent on the part of management not to risk playing the injury prone JOD at present. Two weeks to go to the next match and the hope is that the weather will be more clement then. P.S. I wonder if somebody could post up the substitutes bench from yesterday. What is the logic of not publishing these when the team is being announced? Veteran I find it annoying that the subs list is not published when the team is announced. I assume the program printers require the list of subs when the team in announced in order for printing to take place on Saturday morning. So that list was available to the printers on Friday night but not to the supporters. Was James Horan at a disadvantage by not knowing the subs list on Friday night. Me thinks not. Hopefully this silly practice will change!
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Post by bannerman on Mar 3, 2020 13:20:32 GMT
I would be thinking the programs would be printed before Friday. I think I read before that they actually have to be into croke park on the Wednesday when games are on there.
In relation to our own situation of not naming subs, could it be more of a case of keeping squad numbers 16-36 happy and focussed on the game ahead. They don't know if they gonna make the bench or not and are going to try very hard in the last training session to either hold onto their bench spot or even get a spot on the bench.
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Post by homerj on Mar 4, 2020 8:24:36 GMT
just seen teh highlights a few mins ago and it confirmed my suspicions when i seen the incident live (it was right in front of me).
the Mayo goal was a free out, their player picked the ball off the ground, it wasnt even a dubious one, it was very very blatant.
that Tony Brosnan point looked better in realtime also - it was an absolute smashing score, as was Burns point and Cliffords final score.
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Post by dc84 on Mar 4, 2020 11:16:52 GMT
Breakdown of our scorers showing our reliance on the two main men.
Player____score_____play____total_____%of total
Clifford____2-21____2-12____27_____ 29% O Shea____1-22____1-2____25____26% Geaney____1-6_____1-4_____9____10% Burns_____0-7____0-7_____7______8% JOD______ 0-5____0-5_______5_____5% O'BRIEN_______0-3_____0-3______3_____3% Moynihan_____0-3______0-3______3______3%
Then another 4 players with 02 points each and 6 with 01. I know they are our two freetakers but combined they account for 55% of our scores. Clifford alone gets nearly 1/3 of our scores from play. We are top scorers in the division but only four goals scored.
Ps sorry about formatting and i know im a total nerd
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Post by kerrygold on Mar 4, 2020 13:28:06 GMT
Breakdown of our scorers showing our reliance on the two main men. Player____score_____play____total_____%of total Clifford____2-21____2-12____27_____ 29% O Shea____1-22____1-2____25____26% Geaney____1-6_____1-4_____9____10% Burns_____0-7____0-7_____7______8% JOD______ 0-5____0-5_______5_____5% O'BRIEN_______0-3_____0-3______3_____3% Moynihan_____0-3______0-3______3______3% Then another 4 players with 02 points each and 6 with 01. I know they are our two freetakers but combined they account for 55% of our scores. Clifford alone gets nearly 1/3 of our scores from play. We are top scorers in the division but only four goals scored. Ps sorry about formatting and i know im a total nerd This table conclusively says every thing about retaining our blue chip young players in Kerry.................You simply have to retain the best to be the best.
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Post by fitz on Mar 4, 2020 14:36:43 GMT
Burns’ contributions have been a big plus in 2020, he was a key man rescuing the draw with Dublin, Won 3 frees.
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Post by givehimaball on Mar 4, 2020 16:23:58 GMT
I would be thinking the programs would be printed before Friday. I think I read before that they actually have to be into croke park on the Wednesday when games are on there. In relation to our own situation of not naming subs, could it be more of a case of keeping squad numbers 16-36 happy and focussed on the game ahead. They don't know if they gonna make the bench or not and are going to try very hard in the last training session to either hold onto their bench spot or even get a spot on the bench. For all senior intercounty games, a panel of 26 has to be provided to Croke Park by 9am on the Thursday before a game.
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Post by piggott on Mar 4, 2020 17:18:00 GMT
So the opposition manager has no difficulty ascertaining nos 16 to 26, only people who don't know are the paying public who follow the team around the country.
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Post by homerj on Mar 4, 2020 18:38:22 GMT
I would be thinking the programs would be printed before Friday. I think I read before that they actually have to be into croke park on the Wednesday when games are on there. In relation to our own situation of not naming subs, could it be more of a case of keeping squad numbers 16-36 happy and focussed on the game ahead. They don't know if they gonna make the bench or not and are going to try very hard in the last training session to either hold onto their bench spot or even get a spot on the bench. For all senior intercounty games, a panel of 26 has to be provided to Croke Park by 9am on the Thursday before a game. hmmm dunno about that, Mayo listed three players the last day on the 26 that didnt even tog off.
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Post by tpo on Mar 4, 2020 19:11:51 GMT
That's for championship only, A goalkeeper can be changed
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Post by clarinman on Mar 4, 2020 21:01:50 GMT
I would be thinking the programs would be printed before Friday. I think I read before that they actually have to be into croke park on the Wednesday when games are on there. In relation to our own situation of not naming subs, could it be more of a case of keeping squad numbers 16-36 happy and focussed on the game ahead. They don't know if they gonna make the bench or not and are going to try very hard in the last training session to either hold onto their bench spot or even get a spot on the bench. For all senior intercounty games, a panel of 26 has to be provided to Croke Park by 9am on the Thursday before a game. That rule is only for senior inter-county championship matches and does not apply to the league.
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 6, 2020 21:17:49 GMT
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