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Post by southward on Feb 18, 2020 21:14:18 GMT
March 5th - Kieran Donaghy March 12th - Diarmuid Lyng (Wexford) March 18th - Alan Brogan (Dublin) March 26th - Iggy Clarke (Galway) April 2nd - David Brady (Mayo) April 9th - Brenda McAnespie (Monaghan)
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Post by yellowbelly on Feb 19, 2020 10:40:40 GMT
'Show me any good that comes out of them' - Donaghy calls for GAA to 'shut down' fan forums www.the42.ie/kieran-donaghy-online-trolls-gaa-5012310-Feb2020/KIERAN DONAGHY SAYS more needs to be done to protect GAA players from online trolling that is becoming more prevalent in society. And the Kerry legend believes GAA discussion forums on the internet should be “shut down” due to their toxicity. Speaking at the launch of the 18th series of Laochra Gael, which includes an episode on his career with the Kingdom, Donaghy raised concerns for the current generation of players. “It’s something that I was always able to handle very easily, I don’t know why. Maybe it’s through the sport, maybe it’s the adversity I faced on the pitch allows me to handle it better, but I’m fearful,” he admitted. “Ive got two young girls…you have to get some kind of passport online that people can be sitting out there with a random name up hurling abuse at people. “It’s tough for young players coming through, everything is scrutinised that bit more. “I have no issue people saying stuff if they can be held accountable but this being able to say stuff and not be held accountable is wrong. “And you know what these forums that every county has too they’d want to be …if the GAA was to do one thing I’d shut down everyone one of those forums, they are such a negative forum, (there’s) lot of poison inside in them and people giving out. “And there is literally no need for it because 90% of the people don’t have a clue what they are talking about anyway. “But it gives them a massive voice to talk about people, talk about jobs they have done or say they should have done this or should have done that, getting personal with people, the one thing the GAA would be doing I’d shut down all the forums. I’d shut them down. “I always say if you’re on a team and you have lots of positive fellas around the buzz is positive. One or two negative fellas can start to put it down but the positive fellas will say, ‘Hai, cut it out.’ “But if you’re in a room with 20 negative people it just rumbles on. They feed each other and they’re off and they’re uncontrollable at home on the keyboard or whatever. They are fans’ forums but I would urge the GAA to cut them out because I don’t know if any good comes out of them. “Show me any good that comes out of them and show me that I’m wrong. There is enough social media out there to let you know if a game is off or on or whatever. These forums, I think all they’re for is negativity.” Donaghy called for greater education for sportspeople to handle abuse, which has become commonplace in the GAA too. In July, Wexford manager Davy Fitzgerald said government must intervene as a matter of urgency after witnessing the impact increasing levels online abuse had on young players. Clare GAA said they asked the Gardai to investigate following online trolling aimed at count board officers last November. GPA chief executive Paul Flynn revealed during the off-season that some players missed work due to the hateful messages they received by users. Young inter-county players are now being educated “around the dangers of social media” according to Flynn, who added that “online abuse is epidemic across society.” And the subject has become a topic of international debate following the death of British TV presenter Caroline Flack last weekend. “Social media, I use it for work but it’s a dangerous tool in many ways and I think it is wrong that people can launch into an account and say and do what they want to people,” said Donaghy. “My basketball camp is on again at this easter and I do two 15 minute talks for both groups the first day about online bullying social media and how to handle it and not to be a part of it because I think they might take it bit better from me. “We are guilty of it ourselves… you see people might have an opinion and they put it up and there’s a bite back in the comments, it’s not just a disagreement, there is bite there constantly. “And there’s an old saying if you don’t have anything good to say don’t say anything at all and if more people took on that it wold be no harm but it is tragic what happened Caroline Flack. “That’s a very highlighted incident but it’s happening all over the world right now, kids taking their own lives because of what is going on. “You know back in the day you’d take a hiding you’d go to your room and you lick your wounds and come back out, you wouldn’t have to worry about waking up in the morning seeing more stuff, it is very tough on the younger generation. Whether they bring it in as a school topic or something has to be looked at to help them how to handle it. “People need to cop on. Sportspeople are trying their best to win for their teams. Even professional teams maybe some can be called into question sometimes and rightfully so whether they don’t want to be in the club or contract wise or whatever. “But for GAA players and GAA managers, Jesus they are they are in try and help young people or to win games with whatever team they are with. They shouldn’t have that abuse. “I know they do great work on it, but even to up it more and get a firm word out there. And come down on people and call out people that are trolls but then you are giving them oxygen so it is a tricky one.”
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Post by peanuts on Feb 19, 2020 14:02:01 GMT
I agree with Donaghy regarding trolling on twitter and even some forums like the hoganstand but I'd hate to see this forum shut down. Most contributors here are generally considered in their contributions.
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Post by veteran on Feb 19, 2020 14:43:55 GMT
I am disappointed that Kieran Donaghy has called for the banning of GAA Fora, assuming he is being quoted correctly. Without putting a tooth in it, this is a form of censorship.
I have a particularly sensitive reaction to this type of suggestions because I am old enough to remember a time when certain books, films etc were banned in this country. As an avid reader then and now, I reject any call for the reinstatement of the type of censorship that plagued this country when I was growing up. It is clear that some types of written or spoken words need to be curtailed: incitement to hatred or violence, defamatory comments. Apart from these categories one should be very careful about curtailing the right to speak and write freely in a democracy such as we enjoy. Even conceding that some restrictions should be imposed in certain areas, the next problem is who decides what should be written and spoken. Regarding defamation and incitement to violence it would appear that the Law Courts should be the adjudicators. The area of hatred is trickier. Ultimately, the Law Courts again I suppose but I increasingly get the impression that areas like hatred, invasion of privacy etc are being used to shut down views with which you do not agree. Therein lies the danger, the cancer of censorship.
In my view, the right to freedom of speech is probably second only to the right to life. Start restricting it to any significant degree and you imperceptibly and inexorably glide from a democracy to totalitarianism. Hyperbolic you might say? It is not a lifetime ago since a certain demagogue reigned in Germany and in the U.S.S.R., just to use two examples, where you paid for speaking your mind with your life. China is little better today. At present in the U.S.A. and in parts of Western Europe, bastions of democracy one would hope, people are being denied a stage to express their views, particularly in universities, not because they preach hatred or violence, but merely because they come from a certain end of the political spectrum which is at variance with the orthodoxy of the day. Imagine that, certain speakers being deplatformed in universities which should be a chamber for the voicing of all viewpoints in the pursuit of truth.
As much I admired KD for his sporting exploits I refuse to allow him or any individual to decide what I should say or read. In my experience, this forum has been admirably monitored and controlled . I am not familiar with other GAA fora. KD asks what function does it perform? It allows Kerry football followers to exchange views and opinions. It means that followers who cannot get to all or some of the matches have an opportunity to read reports and comments by knowledgeable football supporters, some better than others. Above all it affords Kerry football followers all over the world a window to read what their fellow county men are saying, comments which in general are more insightful than can be found in the mainstream media. Is it conceivable that a Kerryman would seek to deprive the Kerry diaspora that resource?
My advice to young Kerry footballers who feel uncomfortable reading this forum, stop reading it. Seemingly this is advice the more senior players give to younger players in respect of the mainstream media. The more senior players do not suggest that the mainstream media should be banned, rather ignored, as KD is suggesting with regard to GAA fora.
In summary, Kieran's suggestion is appalling and regressive, a throwback to a dark period in Irish social history. Be careful what you wish for.
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Post by buck02 on Feb 19, 2020 15:07:19 GMT
To be fair to Donaghy I wouldn't get too caught up with what he said.
I listen to him a lot on OTB AM and I often get the impression that he talks before he thinks.
He is a hugely likeable fella but some of what he says I would take with a pinch of salt.
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Post by buck02 on Feb 19, 2020 15:09:15 GMT
March 5th - Kieran Donaghy March 12th - Diarmuid Lyng (Wexford) March 18th - Alan Brogan (Dublin) March 26th - Iggy Clarke (Galway) April 2nd - David Brady (Mayo) April 9th - Brenda McAnespie (Monaghan) I read an interview with Lyng in the paper last weekend. He now lives near Annascaul having formerly lived in Ballyferriter. He gave up him teaching job to get out of the rat race and ended up in West Kerry.
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Post by clubman on Feb 19, 2020 17:52:05 GMT
No offence Veteren but you're being a bit dramatic. a throwback to a dark period in Irish social history? Referencing Germany and the U.S.S.R? Lets not get carried away, Donaghy makes a very valid point, there are some absolutely horrible people out there posting nasty stuff hiding behind a mask. This forum is pretty well run and despite the odd one that slips through the net is very well moderated. However some of the nonsense posted on other ones is appalling. Its very easy to say to someone not to read something but lets face it, if you're a bit younger of course you will be interested in whats being said about you. My own son was trolled online over something completely harmless but it was very upsetting for him and took a long time for us to get it out of him as we had zero idea what was going on with him. So spare me the hyperbole please. Of course I wouldnt like to see this forum shut down but there are an awful lot of stages for trolls that I would love to see banished
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Post by Galway breeze on Feb 19, 2020 18:11:20 GMT
To be fair people on this forum do respect players even if critical at times. We must remember KD is now an analysts with the media so he will be looking for controversy to improve his viewers/ listeners. People should speak their mind without disrespecting others.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Feb 19, 2020 18:42:07 GMT
Star got it rough in the media and at a particular stage on here also, I recall a number of contributors just launching in on various topics and for obvious ulterior motive.
Social media has no controls and the measure of benefit to the county GAA is the net total of all threads.
When discussing social media, let's not forget that not all of it is on The Internet and the worst types are rumor mongers, at least The Internet is open and fee media makes for a better democracy.
I know of national media personalities who just this week condemned wrongdoing that they themselves did and in a far more vile manner.
You have gombeens in positions of influence and then their hero worshiping nodding donkeys, the nonsense they go on with is pathetic.
I think the mantra of this site is appropriate - Keep it clean, keep it fair, keep it accurate, keep it honest. Ciarraí Abú!
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Post by southward on Feb 19, 2020 19:13:38 GMT
I agree with Donaghy regarding trolling on twitter and even some forums like the hoganstand but I'd hate to see this forum shut down. Most contributors here are generally considered in their contributions. Agree. Kieran is calling on the GAA to shut down fora so it's ones like this, under the auspices of the GAA, that he's talking about. As someone who has always happily invested time and money and much emotion in support of GAA teams and GAA players like KD, I find it particularly disappointing to be told I should be banned from discussing them and that I "don't have a clue what [I'm] talking about anyway" (ok the last bit may be true but still..) Eamonn Fitz came out with comments of a similar nature in the last days of his reign and it didn't go down well. Also, does Kieran not realise the irony of his comments given that he now turns a buck as a pundit?
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Post by taibhse on Feb 19, 2020 19:54:43 GMT
Granting censorship power to the GAA so they can tell us what to think and say for our own good – really! (Not that it is even possible to do so.)
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Post by Fado on Feb 19, 2020 19:58:00 GMT
Deliberately or not, that's what happens when someone generalises on a subject, just the very thing to get people going on a forum.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2020 20:33:48 GMT
The issue is the anonymity of forums not their existence.
How many posters would use their real name when posting?
Donaghy is accountable for what he says, most here aren’t.
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Post by sullyschoice on Feb 19, 2020 23:16:56 GMT
In all fairness this forum is quite moderate. Look at some of the abuse on the likes of facebook if you want to target the problem.
The abuse on soccer pages is fairly extreme and believe it or not Cricket pages are the worst I have ever seen. Some of the stuff on there is unbelievable.
I dont know what the other county forums or Hoganstand forums are like cos I dont partake.
I wouldn't like to have this forum censored in any form.
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Post by dano on Feb 20, 2020 2:30:30 GMT
Have to agree with Veteran here. Forums are here to stay and are an invaluable resource for people everywhere, especially people overseas. Star was one of the chosen ones. One of the gifted people of the world. A small elite group who, for whatever reason, were bound for the limelight from day one. The rest of us can only look on in awe. We are sidelined ( and terraced and standed) among that much misunderstood group, the supporters. We discuss the feats of the aforementioned in pubs and forums and we draw conclusions.Kieran Donaghy will be forever one of the legends of Kerry football but the day Jack rang him to go into Killarney he became a celebrity.He lived up to it with great distinction and he still does. The world craves his likes, the ones gone before him and those yet to come.
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Post by Kerryman Randy Savage on Feb 21, 2020 11:56:07 GMT
I agree with Donaghy to an extent. If all users of social media/forums were verified before they posted, then we wouldn't see the likes of the abuse some players/managers get, or it would be curbed with some sentences. In this case if something was posted that was particularly abusive or libellous then the aggrieved party could request the information from the social media/forum to be passed onto the relevant authorities to investigate. No unverified accounts could post messages until verification (passport/driving licence) so there would be less keyboard warriors around. However, people should be allowed discuss and be critical of decisions, just not make it personal. In recent years, some Kerry folk were particularly nasty to Eamonn FitzMaurice, a man who gave more time to the county than all the people abusing him combined. Thankfully I'm brave enough to use my real name as my username
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Post by Jo90 on Feb 27, 2020 16:23:29 GMT
I think if we were in Donaghy's shoes we'd have the same opinion as him. Donaghy got lots of abuse on the ReservoirDubs and PeoplesRepublicOfCork forums and that's just what I saw from my very rare visits there. People on those forums give as much abuse as they wish without any moderation. You'd think most of the people on these forums are about 13 going by the name calling and juvenile abuse they dish out and the same people would poop their pants if they met him on the street. They forget these are amateur players who have jobs to go to and family members reading the abuse. That's just a couple of forums, I'm sure he got much worse on social media like twitter. God be with the days when all they could do was send you letters and find your phone no. in the telephone directory!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2020 21:29:37 GMT
Starting shortly
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 5, 2020 22:37:04 GMT
Very enjoyable programme.
Paul Galvins final contribution at the end captured the essense of KD.
The hour long show allows for a proper job to be done.
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Post by sullyschoice on Mar 6, 2020 1:31:03 GMT
Looking forward to watching this on my day off
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Post by glengael on Mar 6, 2020 11:21:20 GMT
Really enjoyable programme.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2020 19:11:20 GMT
Good programme. Donaghy gives plenty of himself in it. Some great memories.
It reminds me also how in the Kerry magnificent 7 dvd they did not show the Armagh goal.
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Post by john4 on Mar 6, 2020 19:17:15 GMT
A really strong message to be taken from KD's story is, for anyone dealing with underage players. You never really know how their life is going outside of football, and you can't assume that everything is perfect at home. You have to be understanding, patient and supportive. Good show.
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Post by glengael on Mar 30, 2020 9:36:13 GMT
David Brady is up this week. It will be an interesting watch (and I'm not being sarcastic here).
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Post by glengael on May 19, 2020 10:06:51 GMT
They're repeating the older ones now. Steven McDonnell featured last night. At least we got to see 2006 all over again. Has to be one of the happiest days I ever spent in Croke Park.
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Post by sullyschoice on May 19, 2020 17:59:44 GMT
They're repeating the older ones now. Steven McDonnell featured last night. At least we got to see 2006 all over again. Has to be one of the happiest days I ever spent in Croke Park. I went a bit mental that day myself
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Post by glengael on Jan 29, 2021 15:27:32 GMT
I cannot find a thread for the current series of Laochra Gael. So apologies for resurrecting this one.
Shane Curran featured last night. Another excellent episode, following on from the Kevin Cassidy one a few weeks back. TG4 are super at this kind of programme.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Jan 29, 2021 20:51:54 GMT
I cannot find a thread for the current series of Laochra Gael. So apologies for resurrecting this one. Shane Curran featured last night. Another excellent episode, following on from the Kevin Cassidy one a few weeks back. TG4 are super at this kind of programme. Cassidy one was good alright, if the first 7 years moulds the man and if he wore the only Irish jersey in The Gorbals in Glasgow then it personified the term 'what doesn't kill you makes you stronger.' The Gorbals is an institution and I have spent many an evening absorbing astounding stuff about life there back in the day. That's what you'd really call 'wearing the jersey', 'wear and tear' but no tears, more like it. Probably lucky for us but if McGuinness handled waywardness like Dwyer then you'd be thinking they might have a few more Sams. I met Kevin's dad of a day, in the pub of course, and initially didn't believe who he was - you couldn't believe he was anyone's father really, that is until we got chattin. Talk of judging a book by it's cover, pun not intended! He was amazing company, good company, chip off the auld block comes to mind. I bumped into him a few times after and he certainly left a mark, he was different in a unique way, could never make out if or how much beer he had on board as he was always the same, knew his sports alright - one of those!
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Post by sullyschoice on Feb 5, 2021 21:28:12 GMT
The Johnny Pilkington episode is well worth a look
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Post by clubman on Feb 7, 2021 16:30:18 GMT
Some excellent programmes so far. TG4 are so good at these type of documentaries
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