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Post by goonised on Jan 14, 2020 8:19:36 GMT
From what I heard from kerry people at game and reading here it's two different versions. Yes Tralee had a very potent inside line but lookin at team that was posted here there was 5 players starting who couldn't get games in county championship plus the 2 subs that came on. So not that surprising after all. I'm sure the addition of Gavin Crowley,Michael Potts Dara Moynihan and Cathal Ferriter would have made a difference. Also was James Duggan in goals. A typo maybe? But they still seemed to have the game under control so they must have being doing something right for 55mins. Now this is based on what I read and heard so I could be wide of the mark.
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Post by stuffoflegends on Jan 14, 2020 11:59:05 GMT
From what I heard from kerry people at game and reading here it's two different versions. Yes Tralee had a very potent inside line but lookin at team that was posted here there was 5 players starting who couldn't get games in county championship plus the 2 subs that came on. So not that surprising after all. I'm sure the addition of Gavin Crowley,Michael Potts Dara Moynihan and Cathal Ferriter would have made a difference. Also was James Duggan in goals. A typo maybe? But they still seemed to have the game under control so they must have being doing something right for 55mins. Now this is based on what I read and heard so I could be wide of the mark. Have to agree with the above goonised. A college like Tralee cannot afford to lose such quality like that. they do not have the panel/bench and this was essentially the difference on Sunday. I would go as far as saying that some of them can not start for their own club teams not to mention not play county championship. At the end of the day people on here need to be realistic. Sigerson Cup is basically Intercounty football. If you research the Carlow IT Team they had intercounty status all over even coming off the bench with likes of Tommy Griffin (Limerick) albeit weaker counties in likes of Offaly Wexford Wicklow Laois etc but still current Intercounty standard athletes who essentially train like professionals regardless of what county they play with. people think because it’s Just Carlow we should be beaten them but based on what? past reputations of players? Clifford? Because we are good at football? Losing the like of Gavin, Dara, Potts 3 kerry seniors not to mention being without Cathal Ferriter, Eddie Horan, Greg Horan, Conor Hurley (goalkeeper suspended) Thomas Kearns (Wicklow Senior) Darren Doherty (Limerick Senior) severally hurt the Kerry outfit. Yes they played poorly in stages. On another day Tony Brosnan would of had another 6 Points, Clifford could of had another goal or two and as could Barry John. Apart from that inside star studded line the Tralee team was very average and would struggle to win county league games here in kerry. a few players might have names from previous years but that counts for nothing at this level. Yes the referee was also poor. And they should of had a penalty when up 5pts to probably push the game out of sight. Yes they should of seen the game out Regardless but let’s put a bit of perspective on things. Take away all the what ifs or should of’s. In my honest opinion you can’t win an inter county standard tournament with club footballers. Tralee IT have won 2 sigerson cup games in 14 years. Let that sink in for a minute. Both of them in the last 3 years under the current manager. the calibre of player attending the IT is not able to compete at sigerson. Of the 17 players who played for Tralee on Sunday if I was an Intercounty manager I’m not sure I’d pick more than 2/3 fellas who’d be up to that level? I personally feel Tralee do not have the facilities (hopefully getting better with the new academy) or courses or even nightlife/day life to attract the Intercounty calibre player that the likes of UCC, UL, DCU etc can. We rely on our own local club players or past kerry minors And expect results. It’s just not realistic. how do you improve this I don’t know? |
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Post by Callitasitis on Jan 14, 2020 14:34:42 GMT
From what I heard from kerry people at game and reading here it's two different versions. Yes Tralee had a very potent inside line but lookin at team that was posted here there was 5 players starting who couldn't get games in county championship plus the 2 subs that came on. So not that surprising after all. I'm sure the addition of Gavin Crowley,Michael Potts Dara Moynihan and Cathal Ferriter would have made a difference. Also was James Duggan in goals. A typo maybe? But they still seemed to have the game under control so they must have being doing something right for 55mins. Now this is based on what I read and heard so I could be wide of the mark. Have to agree with the above goonised. A college like Tralee cannot afford to lose such quality like that. they do not have the panel/bench and this was essentially the difference on Sunday. I would go as far as saying that some of them can not start for their own club teams not to mention not play county championship. At the end of the day people on here need to be realistic. Sigerson Cup is basically Intercounty football. If you research the Carlow IT Team they had intercounty status all over even coming off the bench with likes of Tommy Griffin (Limerick) albeit weaker counties in likes of Offaly Wexford Wicklow Laois etc but still current Intercounty standard athletes who essentially train like professionals regardless of what county they play with. people think because it’s Just Carlow we should be beaten them but based on what? past reputations of players? Clifford? Because we are good at football? Losing the like of Gavin, Dara, Potts 3 kerry seniors not to mention being without Cathal Ferriter, Eddie Horan, Greg Horan, Conor Hurley (goalkeeper suspended) Thomas Kearns (Wicklow Senior) Darren Doherty (Limerick Senior) severally hurt the Kerry outfit. Yes they played poorly in stages. On another day Tony Brosnan would of had another 6 Points, Clifford could of had another goal or two and as could Barry John. Apart from that inside star studded line the Tralee team was very average and would struggle to win county league games here in kerry. a few players might have names from previous years but that counts for nothing at this level. Yes the referee was also poor. And they should of had a penalty when up 5pts to probably push the game out of sight. Yes they should of seen the game out Regardless but let’s put a bit of perspective on things. Take away all the what ifs or should of’s. In my honest opinion you can’t win an inter county standard tournament with club footballers. Tralee IT have won 2 sigerson cup games in 14 years. Let that sink in for a minute. Both of them in the last 3 years under the current manager. the calibre of player attending the IT is not able to compete at sigerson. Of the 17 players who played for Tralee on Sunday if I was an Intercounty manager I’m not sure I’d pick more than 2/3 fellas who’d be up to that level? I personally feel Tralee do not have the facilities (hopefully getting better with the new academy) or courses or even nightlife/day life to attract the Intercounty calibre player that the likes of UCC, UL, DCU etc can. We rely on our own local club players or past kerry minors And expect results. It’s just not realistic. how do you improve this I don’t know? Which players haven't played championship football with club/district?? From what I can make out at least 12 of the starting team has played intercounty at some stage any college team would be delighted with that type of quality and not making excuses |
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Post by goonised on Jan 14, 2020 14:52:08 GMT
Have to agree with the above goonised. A college like Tralee cannot afford to lose such quality like that. they do not have the panel/bench and this was essentially the difference on Sunday. I would go as far as saying that some of them can not start for their own club teams not to mention not play county championship. At the end of the day people on here need to be realistic. Sigerson Cup is basically Intercounty football. If you research the Carlow IT Team they had intercounty status all over even coming off the bench with likes of Tommy Griffin (Limerick) albeit weaker counties in likes of Offaly Wexford Wicklow Laois etc but still current Intercounty standard athletes who essentially train like professionals regardless of what county they play with. people think because it’s Just Carlow we should be beaten them but based on what? past reputations of players? Clifford? Because we are good at football? Losing the like of Gavin, Dara, Potts 3 kerry seniors not to mention being without Cathal Ferriter, Eddie Horan, Greg Horan, Conor Hurley (goalkeeper suspended) Thomas Kearns (Wicklow Senior) Darren Doherty (Limerick Senior) severally hurt the Kerry outfit. Yes they played poorly in stages. On another day Tony Brosnan would of had another 6 Points, Clifford could of had another goal or two and as could Barry John. Apart from that inside star studded line the Tralee team was very average and would struggle to win county league games here in kerry. a few players might have names from previous years but that counts for nothing at this level. Yes the referee was also poor. And they should of had a penalty when up 5pts to probably push the game out of sight. Yes they should of seen the game out Regardless but let’s put a bit of perspective on things. Take away all the what ifs or should of’s. In my honest opinion you can’t win an inter county standard tournament with club footballers. Tralee IT have won 2 sigerson cup games in 14 years. Let that sink in for a minute. Both of them in the last 3 years under the current manager. the calibre of player attending the IT is not able to compete at sigerson. Of the 17 players who played for Tralee on Sunday if I was an Intercounty manager I’m not sure I’d pick more than 2/3 fellas who’d be up to that level? I personally feel Tralee do not have the facilities (hopefully getting better with the new academy) or courses or even nightlife/day life to attract the Intercounty calibre player that the likes of UCC, UL, DCU etc can. We rely on our own local club players or past kerry minors And expect results. It’s just not realistic. how do you improve this I don’t know? Which players haven't played championship football with club/district?? From what I can make out at least 12 of the starting team has played intercounty at some stage any college team would be delighted with that type of quality and not making excuses Who are the 12 . From the team posted here . James Duggan Mark Fitzgerald Sean Kelliher Jack Myers Paul Clarke Sean O Connell did not get regular starts at county championship level. Is that right? . Maybe they did and I'm wronging them |
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Post by Callitasitis on Jan 14, 2020 15:13:52 GMT
Which players haven't played championship football with club/district?? From what I can make out at least 12 of the starting team has played intercounty at some stage any college team would be delighted with that type of quality and not making excuses Who are the 12 . From the team posted here . James Duggan Mark Fitzgerald Sean Kelliher Jack Myers Paul Clarke Sean O Connell did not get regular starts at county championship level. Is that right? . Maybe they did and I'm wronging them Was James duggan not a Kerry minor and Sean O Connell play mcgrath cup this year?? |
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Post by goonised on Jan 14, 2020 15:33:38 GMT
Who are the 12 . From the team posted here . James Duggan Mark Fitzgerald Sean Kelliher Jack Myers Paul Clarke Sean O Connell did not get regular starts at county championship level. Is that right? . Maybe they did and I'm wronging them Was James duggan not a Kerry minor and Sean O Connell play mcgrath cup this year Think Dont think Duggan was outfield minor not goalkeeper, did Sean start regular in co championship. My point was 6 lads playing that didn't play co championship were not going to cut it against inter county footballers. That was the nuts and bolts of it |
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jan 14, 2020 15:56:35 GMT
They had a good enough team to win but they looked all over the shop.
I genuinely think I could have set them up better and I haven’t coached a team in 15 years
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Post by stuffoflegends on Jan 14, 2020 17:19:02 GMT
Was James duggan not a Kerry minor and Sean O Connell play mcgrath cup this year Think Dont think Duggan was outfield minor not goalkeeper, did Sean start regular in co championship. My point was 6 lads playing that didn't play co championship were not going to cut it against inter county footballers. That was the nuts and bolts of it Have to agree inter-county Minor and Sigerson Cup are completely different animals. I’m surprised at everyone’s reaction and surprise to this result. I question peoples knowledge of football sometimes. of course people are Entitled to their opinions but I don’t agree with calling for certain individuals heads albeit players, management, committee etc especially Without reason. Goonised is right when you look at the hard facts and strip everything down to be leading by 6pts with 10mins to go was fair going considering the starters numbers 1 to 8 in particular. On another day like I said Tralee could of won that game handy. Fine margins. PO was right when he said it about the Kerry supporters. Who’d want to be involved these days with all the criticism it’s nearly as bad as being a referee. I’ve thought about packing in the coaching at my local club over the same stuff and I only coach a low division u14 level Ridiculous! not worth it. It would of been great for the county and college to win of course but would we want these guys going out next weekend to be hockied by a steamrolling UCC? Or maybe they would put up a good fight if they had there 5 Intercounty players available?I guess we won’t know now but One thing I do hope is IT Tralee keep their Sigerson Status for the sake of football in the county. As hard and competitive as it is. No one wants them to be in tier 2. According to the GAA site they play Athlone next weekend in the relegation final. Another tough hard encounter I’m sure but hopefully they come out on the right side of the result this time round. |
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Post by stuffoflegends on Jan 14, 2020 17:29:55 GMT
They had a good enough team to win but they looked all over the shop. I genuinely think I could have set them up better and I haven’t coached a team in 15 years I agree they were good enough to win. Out of curiosity how would you of set up? I felt maybe after going 6 up it was time to shut up shop and drop a sweeper or two back but the black card didn’t help that and the second black threw it out the window. |
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jan 14, 2020 18:30:49 GMT
They had a good enough team to win but they looked all over the shop. I genuinely think I could have set them up better and I haven’t coached a team in 15 years I agree they were good enough to win. Out of curiosity how would you of set up? I felt maybe after going 6 up it was time to shut up shop and drop a sweeper or two back but the black card didn’t help that and the second black threw it out the window. BJK further out the field as his work rate would be higher than Conor Keane or jack savage. Most teams plan for different phases in games so you’d have a tactic and diff structure for when you are ahead, behind, level, with a wind, etc. The IT team seemed to have no tactics or plan other than- we have some golf forwards so just go out & play. I’d have switched to a 2 man inside line of Brosnan & Clifford with BJK in the half line once they went ahead by 4 or more points. Dropping 2 half forwards in to pack the midfield, leaving savage as a link man and BJK as a ball carrier in the Stephen o brien mould. The IT did something- it worked for a while but they never mixed it up and Carlow figured it out. That’s down to the sideline- on both a tactical & coaching level. I’d probably have kept Keane back as an impact sub- because he’s not a half forward and he’s not as good inside as Clifford or Brosnan |
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jan 14, 2020 19:09:24 GMT
Sorry for the lads involved but I'm happy they are out. The scheduling is atrocious only last weekend a Tyrone player got injured and is gone for the league.
I'm only concerned with club and county and living up the country it's more the latter.
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Post by dc84 on Jan 15, 2020 9:39:49 GMT
Sorry for the lads involved but I'm happy they are out. The scheduling is atrocious only last weekend a Tyrone player got injured and is gone for the league. I'm only concerned with club and county and living up the country it's more the latter. I echo these statements college competitions are great for the players involved but from my point of view id rather see David Clifford in the green and gold saturday week than playing in the sigerson with tralee. |
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jan 16, 2020 14:14:29 GMT
Brandon Barrett is on the Fitzgibbon panel for CIT vs UCC.
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Post by fivenarow on Jan 16, 2020 17:01:03 GMT
They had a good enough team to win but they looked all over the shop. I genuinely think I could have set them up better and I haven’t coached a team in 15 years This team was being hyped up so much it was only a matter of showing up. Good players don’t necessarily make good managers / selectors & I don’t see what some of the people on the sideline have achieved in management. I’d say there’s someone somewhere scratching their head. Who decided to play the Duggan lad in goals, I don’t think he ever played there before? The forward line picks itself but the problem was from there back & they didn’t have the answers. |
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Post by piggott on Jan 16, 2020 17:18:10 GMT
ITT play AIT in Relegation final at University of Limerick on Sunday next at 1pm.Losers will be in Trench Cup next season.
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Post by Callitasitis on Jan 16, 2020 19:20:01 GMT
They had a good enough team to win but they looked all over the shop. I genuinely think I could have set them up better and I haven’t coached a team in 15 years This team was being hyped up so much it was only a matter of showing up. Good players don’t necessarily make good managers / selectors & I don’t see what some of the people on the sideline have achieved in management. I’d say there’s someone somewhere scratching their head. Who decided to play the Duggan lad in goals, I don’t think he ever played there before? The forward line picks itself but the problem was from there back & they didn’t have the answers. And what makes it more farcical is that they knew their 1st choice keeper would be suspended since last February and not have a replacement goalkeeper found and use in the league and challenge games instead of putting someone more familiar with playing out field in goal head scratching stuff |
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Post by goonised on Jan 16, 2020 21:40:25 GMT
This team was being hyped up so much it was only a matter of showing up. Good players don’t necessarily make good managers / selectors & I don’t see what some of the people on the sideline have achieved in management. I’d say there’s someone somewhere scratching their head. Who decided to play the Duggan lad in goals, I don’t think he ever played there before? The forward line picks itself but the problem was from there back & they didn’t have the answers. And what makes it more farcical is that they knew their 1st choice keeper would be suspended since last February and not have a replacement goalkeeper found and use in the league and challenge games instead of putting someone more familiar with playing out field in goal head scratching stuff Had they other options for goalkeeper. Heard the main guy was suspended all right. But lots if goalkeepers are outfield players. Rory Beggan cluxton, shane Ryan, Charlie Nelligan all outfield club players. I presume they could only use someone attending the collage so hands may have been tied. I s there goalie out there who would have been eligible. It seems they probably just went with best kicker not factoring in the players they lost 48 hours before game which meant they probably needed Duggan outfield. All was well for 55 mins. |
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jan 16, 2020 21:49:26 GMT
This team was being hyped up so much it was only a matter of showing up. Good players don’t necessarily make good managers / selectors & I don’t see what some of the people on the sideline have achieved in management. I’d say there’s someone somewhere scratching their head. Who decided to play the Duggan lad in goals, I don’t think he ever played there before? The forward line picks itself but the problem was from there back & they didn’t have the answers. And what makes it more farcical is that they knew their 1st choice keeper would be suspended since last February and not have a replacement goalkeeper found and use in the league and challenge games instead of putting someone more familiar with playing out field in goal head scratching stuff I’ve the feeling that if they had 15 good corner forwards then they’d have started them all |
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Post by goonised on Jan 19, 2020 18:29:33 GMT
This team was being hyped up so much it was only a matter of showing up. Good players don’t necessarily make good managers / selectors & I don’t see what some of the people on the sideline have achieved in management. I’d say there’s someone somewhere scratching their head. Who decided to play the Duggan lad in goals, I don’t think he ever played there before? The forward line picks itself but the problem was from there back & they didn’t have the answers. And what makes it more farcical is that they knew their 1st choice keeper would be suspended since last February and not have a replacement goalkeeper found and use in the league and challenge games instead of putting someone more familiar with playing out field in goal head scratching stuff Looks like Carlow IT wernt that bad after all |
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jan 19, 2020 20:53:58 GMT
And what makes it more farcical is that they knew their 1st choice keeper would be suspended since last February and not have a replacement goalkeeper found and use in the league and challenge games instead of putting someone more familiar with playing out field in goal head scratching stuff Looks like Carlow IT wernt that bad after all Yeah, imagine if the lads had a clue how to set up a team? The IT would go close to the winning it |
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jan 20, 2020 7:49:31 GMT
Yeah, imagine if the lads had a clue how to set up a team? The IT would go close to the winning it Obviously Billy Morgan and Tomas O Se don't either. Is that your train of thought I don’t know enough about the ucc team nor did I see their match. I did however see the Tralee game and am basing it off the evidence of my own eyes- the Tralee team was set up very poorly, had no real game plan and the sideline didn’t react to anything within game. I don’t remember you commenting on the Tralee game so I’m gona assume you weren’t there and I doubt you were at the ucc game either as it was in Carlow? |
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Post by kerryeastcoastusa on Jan 26, 2020 14:50:28 GMT
I notice Daniel O Brien Glenflesk played for UCC in this years campaign - was he injured last year? I didn’t see him on any of the East Kerry co championship panels? Always felt he had the ability to step to inter county senior
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Jan 26, 2020 15:35:22 GMT
I notice Daniel O Brien Glenflesk played for UCC in this years campaign - was he injured last year? I didn’t see him on any of the East Kerry co championship panels? Always felt he had the ability to step to inter county senior Yes he played for UCC for in this year's campaign (and was very good in the game I saw against NUIG) and he also played in the semi final and final of last year's campaign. Billy Morgan rates him highly and has said he expects him to make the Kerry Seniors. He has been out for long periods with injuries and has missed East Kerry's last 2 county championship campaigns. He is a very good footballer and the type of back we could do with. He wasn't one of the 11 new county panellists which is understandable because he has missed a lot of football but PK has said the panel is fluid so I would like to see him brought him and given game time in the league. |
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Post by Galway breeze on Jan 29, 2020 21:05:29 GMT
Finished here 14 v 07 for DCU against IT Carlow. Some tackling discipline issue for Carlow leaving them short two in last ten minutes. Blennerville lad Kieran Dwyer came in for Kerry.
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Post by dc84 on Jan 30, 2020 9:24:26 GMT
Special word of mention to Shane Conway what a talent that man is best forward in the Fitzgibbon 2years in a row. If he was from any of the big counties there would be some hype around him.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jan 30, 2020 9:25:40 GMT
Trench Cup: CIT 6-13, Dundalk IT 4-10.
Kerry players:
Adam Mc Auliffe An Gaeltacht
Kieran Murphy (Capt) Kilcummin
Gavin O Brien Kerins O Rahillys
James Crean Annauscaul
Chris O Donoghue Glenflesk
Bobby O Regan Ardfert
Donnchadh O Sullivan Firies
Gearoid Savage Kerins O Rahillys
Niall Donohue Firies
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Post by OnTheForty on Feb 13, 2020 11:19:02 GMT
Plenty of Kerry involvement in the Trench Cup final (2nd tier colleges football) in CIT's win over Mary I yesterday. www.the42.ie/mary-i-v-cit-match-report-5004316-Feb2020/And just the 9 pts and MotM for Lixnaw and UCC's Shane Conway in the Fitzgibbon Cup final. UCC came from 6 pts and a man down to deny Carlow IT their first ever title. |
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Post by dc84 on Feb 13, 2020 12:13:01 GMT
Plenty of Kerry involvement in the Trench Cup final (2nd tier colleges football) in CIT's win over Mary I yesterday. www.the42.ie/mary-i-v-cit-match-report-5004316-Feb2020/And just the 9 pts and MotM for Lixnaw and UCC's Shane Conway in the Fitzgibbon Cup final. UCC came from 6 pts and a man down to deny Carlow IT their first ever title. Well done to Shane Conway what a talent that man is. He would be an addition to any of the teams in the liam mcarthy. Also gavin o brien was fairly good in the trench by all acvpunts only caught the last few minutes did he play at ff ? |
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Feb 13, 2020 22:46:20 GMT
Plenty of Kerry involvement in the Trench Cup final (2nd tier colleges football) in CIT's win over Mary I yesterday. www.the42.ie/mary-i-v-cit-match-report-5004316-Feb2020/And just the 9 pts and MotM for Lixnaw and UCC's Shane Conway in the Fitzgibbon Cup final. UCC came from 6 pts and a man down to deny Carlow IT their first ever title. Well done to Shane Conway what a talent that man is. He would be an addition to any of the teams in the liam mcarthy. Also gavin o brien was fairly good in the trench by all acvpunts only caught the last few minutes did he play at ff ? No he played at wing forward for the whole game. He was very good alright what I liked about his performance was that he played with great confidence. I feel he has lacked that playing with Kerry this year although I know it's easier to play with confidence at a lower level and with lesser players. 1-4 from play was a brilliant return. Kieran Murphy from Kilcummin was also excellent at midfield. I don't think he is too far off Kerry Senior standard but he's too injury prone, went off injured again last night in the second half. Cathal O'Mahony full forward for Mary I also caught my eye. He was one of the main players on the victorious Cork u20 team from last year and he is starting for the Cork Seniors this year. He is a fantastic talent, such a skilful player. |
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