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Post by Whosinmidfield on Sept 28, 2019 12:52:38 GMT
Gavin Crowley is very hard done by not to be nominated, he had a better season than Paul Murphy.
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 28, 2019 13:19:10 GMT
Jack Barry?
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Sept 28, 2019 19:57:54 GMT
Didn't play enough matches to get a nomination.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2019 8:27:00 GMT
Gary Brennan a bit unlucky to miss out
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Post by southward on Sept 29, 2019 9:25:16 GMT
Has Aidan O'Shea got some kind of ten-year reserved ticket deal for the All-Stars?
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Sept 29, 2019 10:06:23 GMT
It’s odd that Fenton is more or less guaranteed an all star but was well beaten in his only 2 proper contests all year
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2019 10:40:13 GMT
Who would you have ahead of him?
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Sept 29, 2019 10:54:04 GMT
Who would you have ahead of him? I’m not specifically sayin that he shouldn’t get one- just pointing out that he was well beaten in both finals with those being the only real battles that Dublin were in. I didn’t see enough of the likes of Donegal, Tyrone, Mayo, etc to suggest otherwise but it is odd that he will prob get one for looking good in a few cakewalks. He’s not getting it for league performances and he’s not getting it for performances in the final(s). It’s the lazy choice just to give it to him
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 29, 2019 13:47:44 GMT
Fenton didnt play in the only away gane Dublin had. He caught a few balls kicked directly to him by Hennelly v Mayo.
JB got the better of him.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2019 14:21:01 GMT
Who would you have ahead of him? I’m not specifically sayin that he shouldn’t get one- just pointing out that he was well beaten in both finals with those being the only real battles that Dublin were in. I didn’t see enough of the likes of Donegal, Tyrone, Mayo, etc to suggest otherwise but it is odd that he will prob get one for looking good in a few cakewalks. He’s not getting it for league performances and he’s not getting it for performances in the final(s). It’s the lazy choice just to give it to him I don’t follow your logic. You are not saying he shouldn’t get one but it is the lazy choice to give it him The alternatives are Mentin,MDMA, o Shea and burns. Hardly stellar alternatives
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 29, 2019 14:37:39 GMT
if JB could be considered would he get one?
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Sept 29, 2019 14:45:56 GMT
I’m not specifically sayin that he shouldn’t get one- just pointing out that he was well beaten in both finals with those being the only real battles that Dublin were in. I didn’t see enough of the likes of Donegal, Tyrone, Mayo, etc to suggest otherwise but it is odd that he will prob get one for looking good in a few cakewalks. He’s not getting it for league performances and he’s not getting it for performances in the final(s). It’s the lazy choice just to give it to him I don’t follow your logic. You are not saying he shouldn’t get one but it is the lazy choice to give it him The alternatives are Mentin,MDMA, o Shea and burns. Hardly stellar alternatives My point/logic is- he had 2 real challenges all year and failed in them so it’s odd that he is more of less guaranteed an all star.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2019 15:41:41 GMT
I get that but one of the reasons he is guaranteed an all star is that there is no viable alternative
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Sept 29, 2019 17:09:05 GMT
I get that but one of the reasons he is guaranteed an all star is that there is no viable alternative That may well be the case but the logic still stands. He has 2 important games all year and he didn’t show up- usually that rules you out of an all star.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2019 17:20:43 GMT
Yeah right, based on that logic, they should name only one midfield all star this year
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Sept 29, 2019 18:01:33 GMT
Yeah right, based on that logic, they should name only one midfield all star this year Based on that logic they should have nominated midfielders who played well in tight, important matches as opposed to giving Fenton an All star for playing well in 40 point win over Louth and being fairly anonymous in 2 finals. If he had played well the second day and responded to the first poor performance then I would say something but choice of a guy who played crap in his only 2 real tests is a bit idiotic to be honest. Michael Murphy was mooted as an option previously but I didnt see enough other teams play to suggest someone else. Thats the role of the selection committee and I have called his potential selection lazy and they seem to not have gone through the other options and just pointlessly plumped for the Dublin guy because they won a final - more or less in spite of him. His season consisted of playing well in a few cakewalks, not playing against Tyrone, having a very poor first half against Mayo and a decent second half (Kilkenny and Howard swung that game) and being anonymous in the 2 finals. If that's considered All Star form then that's fine but he fell short this season imo
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Sept 29, 2019 20:13:06 GMT
Michael Murphy would be a good choice for midfield in my opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2019 21:22:06 GMT
if JB could be considered would he get one? Why not. It depends on the criteria and it’s not like there is any consistency being applied
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 30, 2019 21:02:03 GMT
It wouldn't be PC if Fenton didn't get it this year in the five in a row engine room. Cluxton, deservedly, will be anointed footballer of the year, and rightly, most influential footballer of the last 20 years. Great footballer & serious performer. It will be interesting to see how many All-Stars the jurnos will serenade Dublin's 5 n a row wit......!
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 30, 2019 21:07:30 GMT
In 2013 Shane oDonnell scored 3.03 from play and set up 3 points for colleagues.
He didnt get an All Star.
After that it became farcical.
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 30, 2019 21:16:03 GMT
More farcical if DC doesn't get it ahead of Manion at 13. SOS must be borderline senior player of the year 2019 just behind the mercurial Cluxton. SOS was hugely influential in this years championship, NFL & Sigerson cup.
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 30, 2019 21:26:19 GMT
In 2013 Shane oDonnell scored 3.03 from play and set up 3 points for colleagues. He didnt get an All Star. After that it became farcical. Was that his first start that year?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2019 21:37:35 GMT
He might have started early in the year but made little impact.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2019 21:44:34 GMT
It would be great if there was a clear criteria for what warrants an all star. KG is referencing sigerson performance while MM has a bias towards performance in the final.
Both valid viewpoints but impossible to have a consensus when people use different criteria.
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Post by southward on Sept 30, 2019 21:58:06 GMT
It would be great if there was a clear criteria for what warrants an all star. KG is referencing sigerson performance while MM has a bias towards performance in the final. Both valid viewpoints but impossible to have a consensus when people use different criteria. SOS was outstanding right through the year - Sigerson, League and Championship - and capped it with a flawless AI final performance. He's there no matter what the criteria. It will be a travesty if he doesn't get young POTY.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2019 22:14:13 GMT
It would be great if there was a clear criteria for what warrants an all star. KG is referencing sigerson performance while MM has a bias towards performance in the final. Both valid viewpoints but impossible to have a consensus when people use different criteria. SOS was outstanding right through the year - Sigerson, League and Championship - and capped it with a flawless AI final performance. He's there no matter what the criteria. It will be a travesty if he doesn't get young POTY. Completely different point to one being made
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Post by Mickmack on Oct 1, 2019 7:36:28 GMT
In 2013 Shane oDonnell scored 3.03 from play and set up 3 points for colleagues. He didnt get an All Star. After that it became farcical. Was that his first start that year? i think so yes... Davy didnt tell him he was starting till that morning. It was one of the greatest contributions in any final ever. Talk about doing it when it mattered.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2019 20:08:27 GMT
As I said at the start of this thread, O Brien would have got the all star if he had played average in the semi final and Kerry lost.
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Post by Mickmack on Nov 1, 2019 20:18:28 GMT
In my view Cluxton should got the all star in 3 of the past four years.
But i think Shane Ryan deserved it this year given the road he had to travel so fast in a team learning the ropes. He was outstanding when it mattered v Dublin. Cluxton had a well oiled machine in front of him compared to what SR has.
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Post by Mickmack on Nov 1, 2019 20:25:53 GMT
I would have Michael Murphy at midfield instead of Fenton with James McCarthy, or Kilkenny in the forwards
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